BNW Ch. 10-12 Padlet by Bridget Norman https://padlet.com/bnorman1990/BNW1012 DIRECTIONS: (1) Title your post with your full name. (2) Choose what you think is the most powerful or evocative sentence, clause, or phrase in the excerpt we just read from Chapter 11 (https://goo.gl/zx8G7i). (3) Copy and paste it into your Padlet. (4) Now analyze it for everything you can think of . . . rhetorical devices (there should be multiple!), tone, word choice, etc. (5) Make sure to clearly connect your analysis back to the message you think Huxley is attempting to convey through this passage. en-us 2017-11-03 16:20:57 UTC 2026-01-12 13:56:41 UTC hello@padlet.com EZ Goldstein https://padlet.com/bnorman1990/BNW1012/wish/203906072 "Eternity is in our eyes and lips."
Eternity is the most unfathomably large concept in the human mind, and Huxley states in a matter-of-factly short sentence that it's contained in our bodies. 
-His choice in the 'eyes and lips' portrays that the colourful windows to our very soul and lips by which we communicate with everyone contain endlessness. 
-His word choice and simplistic sentence style work very well His understatement is kind of specifically put there to reduce literarily the revelation John is having and the idea of endlessness that Huxley is trying to artfully portray.
-11/10, super good quote, would look at again]]> 2017-11-06 14:53:20 UTC https://padlet.com/bnorman1990/BNW1012/wish/203906072 Austin Nick https://padlet.com/bnorman1990/BNW1012/wish/203906319 "Of course," Dr. Shaw went on, "you can't allow people to go popping off into eternity if they've got any serious work to do. But as she hasn't got any serious work …" 

This quote is essentially saying people that cant or dont work should not be alive. Popping off to eternity means get all drugged up and then saying she has no work to do showing if someone cant work they are invaluable and thus should be killed. He uses understatement by saying popping off when he really means drug yourself to death.The indirect characterization shows the doctor as some one who dosent care about human lives and is very dedicated to the world state. He also uses parallel structure to showing the importance of working verse non working. Finally huxley uses small words so everyone can comprehend this important meaning.]]> 2017-11-06 14:53:39 UTC https://padlet.com/bnorman1990/BNW1012/wish/203906319 Blake Adams https://padlet.com/bnorman1990/BNW1012/wish/203906418 "Thenceforward she remained in her little room on the thirty-seventh floor of Bernard's apartment house, in bed, with the radio and television always on, and the patchouli tap just dripping, and the soma tablets within reach of her hand–there she remained; and yet wasn't there at all, was all the time away, infinitely far away, on holiday; on holiday in some other world, where the music of the radio was a labyrinth of sonorous colours, a sliding, palpitating labyrinth, that led (by what beautifully inevitable windings) to a bright centre of absolute conviction; where the dancing images of the television box were the performers in some indescribably delicious all-singing feely; where the dripping patchouli was more than scent–was the sun, was a million saxophones, was Popé making love, only much more so, incomparably more, and without end."
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-Starts w/ parallel structure to emphasize Linda's endless rest
-Goes onto imagery of Linda's trips on soma to let the reader form their own opinion of burning out on soma
-Uses metaphors to portray the effects of soma as both good and bad but overall strong ("the sun" and "million saxophones" but also alludes to Popé), uses metaphors in a parallel structure to juxtapose the ideas 
-Uses word choice throughout that leaves the idea of soma vague,  doesn't explicitly state how good/bad it is but lets reader form their own opinion on whether it'd be good to take (maybe) how bad it is to take so much of it (fairly) and how much of life slides away by doing so (all of it)]]> 2017-11-06 14:53:47 UTC https://padlet.com/bnorman1990/BNW1012/wish/203906418 Liam https://padlet.com/bnorman1990/BNW1012/wish/203906460 "But aren't you shortening her life by giving her so much?"]]> 2017-11-06 14:53:49 UTC https://padlet.com/bnorman1990/BNW1012/wish/203906460 Talia Benallo https://padlet.com/bnorman1990/BNW1012/wish/203906571 "In one sense, yes," Dr. Shaw admitted. "But in another we're actually lengthening it." The young man stared, uncomprehending. "Soma may make you lose a few years in time," the doctor went on. "But think of the enormous, immeasurable durations it can give you out of time. Every soma-holiday is a bit of what our ancestors used to call eternity." 

]]> 2017-11-06 14:53:58 UTC https://padlet.com/bnorman1990/BNW1012/wish/203906571 Eli Barker https://padlet.com/bnorman1990/BNW1012/wish/203906656 "But aren't you shortening her life by giving her so much?"
"In one sense, yes," Dr. Shaw admitted. "But in another we're actually lengthening it." 
The author effectively uses both logos and a paradox to show the benefits of using and not using soma. This helps to show the flaws of the society in hat they are willing to shorten your life just to have fun.

]]> 2017-11-06 14:54:06 UTC https://padlet.com/bnorman1990/BNW1012/wish/203906656 Connor Thomas https://padlet.com/bnorman1990/BNW1012/wish/203906671 "Of course," Dr. Shaw went on, "you can't allow people to go popping off into eternity if they've got any serious work to do. But as she hasn't got any serious work …"
"All the same," John persisted, "I don't believe it's right."
The doctor shrugged his shoulders. "Well, of course, if you prefer to have her screaming mad all the time …"

Dialogue
Ethos
Diction
-Huxley uses the dialogue and word choice between the characters to make you feel the emotion coming from both  of the characters. Huxley helps you see John´s perspective and feel for him but at the same Huxley helps you understand the idea that the doctor is making.
]]> 2017-11-06 14:54:07 UTC https://padlet.com/bnorman1990/BNW1012/wish/203906671 sami smith https://padlet.com/bnorman1990/BNW1012/wish/203906682 "Soma may make you lose a few years in time," the doctor went on. "But think of the enormous, immeasurable durations it can give you out of time. Every soma-holiday is a bit of what our ancestors used to call eternity."
The doctor uses Logos to persuade John that it's good for Linda to have a lot of soma because it will make her happy. He provides facts from the past and makes his statement very logical. What he is saying is a paradox because he at first says that it makes you lose a few years but then he says that it makes you feel like eternity. The doctor makes it seem that Linda being on soma-holiday is not as bad as as it is. He uses an understatement to this.
]]> 2017-11-06 14:54:08 UTC https://padlet.com/bnorman1990/BNW1012/wish/203906682 Ben Brandt https://padlet.com/bnorman1990/BNW1012/wish/203906739 "In one sense, yes," Dr. Shaw admitted. "But in another we're actually lengthening it." The young man stared, uncomprehending. "Soma may make you lose a few years in time," the doctor went on. "But think of the enormous, immeasurable durations it can give you out of time. Every soma-holiday is a bit of what our ancestors used to call eternity."

]]> 2017-11-06 14:54:12 UTC https://padlet.com/bnorman1990/BNW1012/wish/203906739 Michael Schnorr 2174100 https://padlet.com/bnorman1990/BNW1012/wish/203906762 "Which will finish her off in a month or two," the doctor confided to Bernard. "One day the respiratory centre will be paralyzed. No more breathing."  
-Euphemism 
-Understatement
-Diction
-Imagery
The Doctor tells Bernard that Linda will overdose on soma and die in about a month, he says it in a way that makes seem less significant than it actually is and lessens the impact through diction. He uses Imagery by describing the process of her death. ]]> 2017-11-06 14:54:14 UTC https://padlet.com/bnorman1990/BNW1012/wish/203906762 Tim Ritter https://padlet.com/bnorman1990/BNW1012/wish/203906909 "But aren't you shortening her life by giving her so much?"
"In one sense, yes," Dr. Shaw admitted. "But in another we're actually lengthening it." The young man stared, uncomprehending. "Soma may make you lose a few years in time," the doctor went on. "But think of the enormous, immeasurable durations it can give you out of time. Every soma-holiday is a bit of what our ancestors used to call eternity."   

-giving her so much: the doctor is giving her so much stoma that is could shorten her life.
-Lengthening it: soma gives you an immeasurable duration of time. the ancestors called the soma holiday eternity. Huxley compares her life shortening and also lengthening to show the efffects of soma and the societys view on the drug.
-through word choice and structure the author gets his point across really easily.
-the effect of the soma is making her think she is living longer even though she is going to die sooner.

]]> 2017-11-06 14:54:25 UTC https://padlet.com/bnorman1990/BNW1012/wish/203906909 Wyatt Bischoff https://padlet.com/bnorman1990/BNW1012/wish/203906958 "But aren't you shortening her life by giving her so much?"
"In one sense, yes," Dr. Shaw admitted. "But in another we're actually lengthening it." The young man stared, uncomprehending.
-Contrast
-The tone is sad
]]> 2017-11-06 14:54:28 UTC https://padlet.com/bnorman1990/BNW1012/wish/203906958 Nick Hart https://padlet.com/bnorman1990/BNW1012/wish/203907140 John began to understand. "Eternity was in our lips and eyes," he murmured. "Eh?" "Nothing."
"Of course," Dr. Shaw went on, "you can't allow people to go popping off into eternity if they've got any serious work to do. But as she hasn't got any serious work …"
"All the same," John persisted, "I don't believe it's right."
The doctor shrugged his shoulders. "Well, of course, if you prefer to have her screaming mad all the time …"

Dialogue shows how contrasted John and the doctors ideals of how people should be treated and how they are moray different.

Allusion shows how John understands the outside ideals of the real world and not just what the world state wants to expose you to.

Both character contrast each other to emphasize both of their ideas. 

Diction is used to further explain what the characters mean.

Irony when the doctor explains that people can't be in eternity to get work done, yet he talks about giving them drugs to not be mad all the time. His statement contradicts itself in which he talks about work, yet he believes giving insane amounts of soma that makes you not want to work.

]]> 2017-11-06 14:54:41 UTC https://padlet.com/bnorman1990/BNW1012/wish/203907140 Adam Albert https://padlet.com/bnorman1990/BNW1012/wish/203907207 "But aren't you shortening her life by giving her so much?"
"In one sense, yes," Dr. Shaw admitted. "But in another we're actually lengthening it."
]]> 2017-11-06 14:54:46 UTC https://padlet.com/bnorman1990/BNW1012/wish/203907207 Daniel Ferguson https://padlet.com/bnorman1990/BNW1012/wish/203907283 "Thenceforward she remained in her little room on the thirty-seventh floor of Bernard's apartment house, in bed, with the radio and television always on, and the patchouli tap just dripping, and the soma tablets within reach of her hand–there she remained; and yet wasn't there at all, was all the time away, infinitely far away, on holiday; on holiday in some other world, where the music of the radio was a labyrinth of sonorous colours, a sliding, palpitating labyrinth"

-The tone is a sad sort of feeling and look because its just Linda sitting there popping in Soma tablets one after another and losing herself in too much Soma where she doesn't even technically exist.

-This scene is full of imagery because it just describes her fall into her Soma addicted habit which is just making her only want to be on "holiday" all the time and not go back to the real world even though it shortens her life by years

-I think this scene in the book is kind of a Allusion to what some people in our world do which is get so addicted to doing drugs that lets them escape reality for a while that eventually they will not want to go back to real life anymore like Linda. ]]> 2017-11-06 14:54:53 UTC https://padlet.com/bnorman1990/BNW1012/wish/203907283 Levi Johnson https://padlet.com/bnorman1990/BNW1012/wish/203907295 "Thenceforward she remained in her little room on the thirty-seventh floor of Bernard's apartment house, in bed, with the radio and television always on, and the patchouli tap just dripping, and the soma tablets within reach of her hand–there she remained" Imagery shows how Linda has been reduced to basically non-existent. That she is simply a body so high on drugs that she simply is no longer a person. This appeals to ethos by showing her as a lost person appealing to ethos making it so people feel bad for her as she is just wasting her life away. ]]> 2017-11-06 14:54:54 UTC https://padlet.com/bnorman1990/BNW1012/wish/203907295 Gregory https://padlet.com/bnorman1990/BNW1012/wish/203907751 "But aren't you shortening her life by giving her so much?"
"In one sense, yes," Dr. Shaw admitted. "But in another we're actually lengthening it." 

]]> 2017-11-06 14:55:22 UTC https://padlet.com/bnorman1990/BNW1012/wish/203907751 Emily Hewitt 2021192 https://padlet.com/bnorman1990/BNW1012/wish/203907790 "One day the respiratory centre will be paralyzed. No more breathing. Finished. And a good thing too."

- This is a powerful statement because Huxley uses juxtapose by talking about death being a good thing. Death for most people would be viewed as a bad thing but the doctor says its "a good thing". 
- Huxley also uses understatement when the doctor says "finished", by using that word in a one word sentence it makes it powerful but it makes the reader view it as not a big deal for someone to be finished.   
-Huxley's use of short sentences are powerful because they stand out. ]]> 2017-11-06 14:55:24 UTC https://padlet.com/bnorman1990/BNW1012/wish/203907790 Owen Grimm https://padlet.com/bnorman1990/BNW1012/wish/203907936 "But aren't you shortening her life by giving her so much?"
"In one sense, yes," Dr. Shaw admitted. "But in another we're actually lengthening it."

The juxtaposition between how the soma is killing you but in the persons mid it is creating a feeling of eternity shows the readers why people take soma but what actually happens to them.
The word admitted shows that the doctor knows that is killing people but doesn't care.
By him saying we're actually lengthening it reinforces the idea that world state has a large control over everyone's life.
The irony in the doctor saying that there lengthening the life by giving her a bunch of drugs shows the twisted view of life they have.

]]> 2017-11-06 14:55:34 UTC https://padlet.com/bnorman1990/BNW1012/wish/203907936 colton https://padlet.com/bnorman1990/BNW1012/wish/203907994
But aren't you shortening her life by giving her so much?"
"In one sense, yes," Dr. Shaw admitted. "But in another we're actually lengthening it." The young man stared, uncomprehending. "Soma may make you lose a few years in time," the doctor went on. "But think of the enormous, immeasurable durations it can give you out of time. Every soma-holiday is a bit of what our ancestors used to call eternity."


]]> 2017-11-06 14:55:38 UTC https://padlet.com/bnorman1990/BNW1012/wish/203907994 Kayla McNierney https://padlet.com/bnorman1990/BNW1012/wish/203908577 "Soma may make you lose a few years in time," the doctor went on. "But think of the enormous, immeasurable durations it can give you out of time. Every soma-holiday is a bit of what our ancestors used to call eternity." 

When the doctor says "Soma may make you lose a few years in time," it shows the audience that soma is in fact bad for their health, but they believe it is worth it spiritually. They even know it sheds off a few years from your lifespan, especially when used a lot like Linda is doing so. 
"Enormous immeasurable duration's" he is speaking of the soma holidays. When you get high on soma, it feels like you've entered another form of time, going on forever. This is a large part of why they rely on it. They think their life is like a pit stop to where they really want to go, which is where soma helps them go. 
"Soma-holiday" refers to the time you are high. They believe this high is like a sliver of eternity that they will experience once they die. ]]> 2017-11-06 14:56:27 UTC https://padlet.com/bnorman1990/BNW1012/wish/203908577 Tim Behrer https://padlet.com/bnorman1990/BNW1012/wish/203909290 But aren't you shortening her life by giving her so much?"
"In one sense, yes," Dr. Shaw admitted. "But in another we're actually lengthening it." The young man stared, uncomprehending. "Soma may make you lose a few years in time," the doctor went on. "But think of the enormous, immeasurable durations it can give you out of time. Every soma-holiday is a bit of what our ancestors used to call eternity."

This quote uses the rhetorical devices of paradox and a hyperbole to show the swayed opinion of the way their civilization functions. As well as the punctuation, it splits part of the statement up to give us an idea of the full sense of their opinion and thought as the conversation continues.



]]> 2017-11-06 14:57:27 UTC https://padlet.com/bnorman1990/BNW1012/wish/203909290 Angus Clark https://padlet.com/bnorman1990/BNW1012/wish/203909847 "Which will finish her off in a month or two," the doctor confided to Bernard. "One day the respiratory centre will be paralyzed. No more breathing. Finished. And a good thing too. If we could rejuvenate, of course it would be different. But we can't."

-Doctor Shaw describes the failure of the respiratory system to be a good thing, and then describes then goes on to describe the way the failure will affect her/the person who is taking the soma.
-The doctor who is explaining the effects of soma is very blunt with what is happening and waht will happen, they 'gon die
-He says that if rejuvenation was possible, they would do it, but it impossible
]]> 2017-11-06 14:58:05 UTC https://padlet.com/bnorman1990/BNW1012/wish/203909847 Matt Schofer https://padlet.com/bnorman1990/BNW1012/wish/203911051 "you can't allow people to go popping off into eternity if they've got any serious work to do. But as she hasn't got any serious work …"

-An interesting key word in the quote is "serious" as if that implies that all levels of work possess some relative importance within the society.
-When one runs out of "serious work," does one have to die because personal pleasure is frowned upon in the society?
-The "..." at the end would imply that he is discussing a very taboo idea that leaves some in silent shock.]]> 2017-11-06 14:59:46 UTC https://padlet.com/bnorman1990/BNW1012/wish/203911051 EZ Stein, Angus Beef, Snake Adams, and Giratina https://padlet.com/bnorman1990/BNW1012/wish/203921006 Each of our quotes touch on the different (potentially positive, potentially fatal) effects of SOMA; Huxley strongly, in this passage, delivers home the enlighteningly catastrophic effects of drugs.

]]> 2017-11-06 15:12:55 UTC https://padlet.com/bnorman1990/BNW1012/wish/203921006 Ben, Tim B., Eli,Michael. https://padlet.com/bnorman1990/BNW1012/wish/203921105 Huxley's purpose in this excerpt is to show how the society's thoughts and the conditioning they have experienced allow them to think its ok to let someone purposefully overdose and kill themselves, simply because she is no longer a desirable member to their society.]]> 2017-11-06 15:13:02 UTC https://padlet.com/bnorman1990/BNW1012/wish/203921105 Daniel F, Nick H, Wyatt B https://padlet.com/bnorman1990/BNW1012/wish/203921118 We think that Huxley uses Allusion and Imagery to persuade his ideals on Utopian societies The allusion he uses greater explains how far in some of the characters are into drug use. The imagery helps paint a sadder picture about the world states real state of living. ]]> 2017-11-06 15:13:03 UTC https://padlet.com/bnorman1990/BNW1012/wish/203921118 https://padlet.com/bnorman1990/BNW1012/wish/203921395 Greg, Tim, Austin Thesis.
Huxleys writing shows how the society they live in does not value people unless they can work. If you can work your useful until you cannot.]]> 2017-11-06 15:13:27 UTC https://padlet.com/bnorman1990/BNW1012/wish/203921395 Owen, Liam, https://padlet.com/bnorman1990/BNW1012/wish/203921983 2017-11-06 15:14:24 UTC https://padlet.com/bnorman1990/BNW1012/wish/203921983 Sami and Talia https://padlet.com/bnorman1990/BNW1012/wish/203922398 The doctor ties to make it seem that Linda taking so many drugs is acceptable. But, its actually shortening her life and impairing the way that she will act. 

]]> 2017-11-06 15:14:46 UTC https://padlet.com/bnorman1990/BNW1012/wish/203922398 Owen, Liam, Levi https://padlet.com/bnorman1990/BNW1012/wish/203922417 The society glorifies the idea of living your life through drugs; As a result, it limits the sense of identity by secluding each person in their own mind.]]> 2017-11-06 15:14:47 UTC https://padlet.com/bnorman1990/BNW1012/wish/203922417 Connor Thomas & Colton Blood https://padlet.com/bnorman1990/BNW1012/wish/203923103 2017-11-06 15:15:30 UTC https://padlet.com/bnorman1990/BNW1012/wish/203923103 Emily and Kayla 2021192 https://padlet.com/bnorman1990/BNW1012/wish/203923267 2017-11-06 15:15:42 UTC https://padlet.com/bnorman1990/BNW1012/wish/203923267 Emily and Kayla 2021192 https://padlet.com/bnorman1990/BNW1012/wish/203923457 Huxley uses juxtapose, understatement, and the appeal of logic to persuade the reader that this society is flawed; even if people in that society don't realize it.]]> 2017-11-06 15:15:55 UTC https://padlet.com/bnorman1990/BNW1012/wish/203923457