Forum: Musical Elements Sec. 705 by Alisha Nypaver https://padlet.com/alisha_nypaver/le9340zn4k63e9ey Which musical element is most confusing for you? What questions or comments do you have? en-us 2020-08-20 15:24:26 UTC 2020-09-20 15:02:21 UTC hello@padlet.com tuk82611 https://padlet.com/alisha_nypaver/le9340zn4k63e9ey/wish/696330514 When i listened to beethoven's sonate, it was more of a dark penetrating sound compared to rondo alla turca mozart which was smooth and bright.]]> 2020-08-25 01:45:10 UTC https://padlet.com/alisha_nypaver/le9340zn4k63e9ey/wish/696330514 Is it possible for timbre/tone color to influence emotions? I know that timbre should not be described with emotions, but can the timbre of a specific singer or instrument still influence the way a song makes us feel? For example, if 2 different musicians sang the same song, could one singer's timbre make us feel calm, while another's makes us feel sad? tul05309 https://padlet.com/alisha_nypaver/le9340zn4k63e9ey/wish/698446177 2020-08-25 19:37:15 UTC https://padlet.com/alisha_nypaver/le9340zn4k63e9ey/wish/698446177 SophiaFeijoo https://padlet.com/alisha_nypaver/le9340zn4k63e9ey/wish/698856325  I have never had any kind of piano training, however as a child whenever I was in a situation with a piano I would love to play around with them. I always knew when I made some sounds it was better than a combination of others. Now learning about dissonant and consonant intervals it is as if a I had a light bulb moment in my head. ]]> 2020-08-25 23:52:54 UTC https://padlet.com/alisha_nypaver/le9340zn4k63e9ey/wish/698856325 Learning about timbre was very eye opening for me. I loved the contrast in both voices. In my recently developed opinion, music is much better with contrasting timbres. The really rough and raspy Louis Armstrong sounded fantastic with such a smooth and bright Ella Fitzgerald. jackmarkussen https://padlet.com/alisha_nypaver/le9340zn4k63e9ey/wish/703904728 2020-08-27 21:47:50 UTC https://padlet.com/alisha_nypaver/le9340zn4k63e9ey/wish/703904728 tuj63910 https://padlet.com/alisha_nypaver/le9340zn4k63e9ey/wish/706388794 For me as well I believe the most confusing this is the timbre. listening to the example of the banjo and guitar it was hard trying to distinguish the two. when listening to Louis Armstrong and Ella Fitzgerald it was a bit easier to find. Am amazing song and my be on my list now. ha.]]> 2020-08-29 02:47:40 UTC https://padlet.com/alisha_nypaver/le9340zn4k63e9ey/wish/706388794 https://padlet.com/alisha_nypaver/le9340zn4k63e9ey/wish/707938645 2020-08-31 04:12:19 UTC https://padlet.com/alisha_nypaver/le9340zn4k63e9ey/wish/707938645 An observation I made today was the difference between beat and rhythm. After watching the videos I learned that beats have to be steady and consistent. Learning this will now help be able to tell the difference between the two easily. tuk16985 https://padlet.com/alisha_nypaver/le9340zn4k63e9ey/wish/709447528 2020-08-31 17:02:13 UTC https://padlet.com/alisha_nypaver/le9340zn4k63e9ey/wish/709447528 I always confused beat with rhythm but the Science related analogy really helped clear it up. Beat if constant whereas rhythm is more built upon to the beat. Sometimes when it does not have co tuj85764 https://padlet.com/alisha_nypaver/le9340zn4k63e9ey/wish/709561660 2020-08-31 17:36:13 UTC https://padlet.com/alisha_nypaver/le9340zn4k63e9ey/wish/709561660 difference in timbre between two vocalists within the same song tun31485 https://padlet.com/alisha_nypaver/le9340zn4k63e9ey/wish/709570818 RUN DMC's back and forth rap style with their clear and smooth voices are very different than Steven Tyler singing the chorus  and other parts 
in a more rough rock style makes a very interesting collaboration]]> 2020-08-31 17:38:55 UTC https://padlet.com/alisha_nypaver/le9340zn4k63e9ey/wish/709570818 One of the things I liked about the Ella Fitzgerald/Louis Armstrong song was the contrast in their voices, which has me wondering how contrast can affect the quality of music. tuf63348 https://padlet.com/alisha_nypaver/le9340zn4k63e9ey/wish/709931107
This song is "Heart-Shaped Box" by Nirvana. Kurt Cobain, the singer, is one of my very favorite singers and songwriters. One of the reasons his voice is so good is because he changes his timbre often. During the verses, his voice sounds clear and full, but during the choruses, his partial screaming makes his voice sound throaty and penetrating.]]> 2020-08-31 19:29:19 UTC https://padlet.com/alisha_nypaver/le9340zn4k63e9ey/wish/709931107 Consonant vs Dissonant joshkuruvila https://padlet.com/alisha_nypaver/le9340zn4k63e9ey/wish/710467720 After listening to the video of consonant and dissonant music it made me wonder if some people think the dissonant sounds good together. Everyone has different opinions in music so would some people think that dissonant notes sound good together or will it sound clashing to everyone?]]> 2020-09-01 00:57:51 UTC https://padlet.com/alisha_nypaver/le9340zn4k63e9ey/wish/710467720 I didn't really know the difference between rhythm and beat before. However, after seeing the video that talked about the heart beat and arrhythmia, I understand it better. RishikaPatel https://padlet.com/alisha_nypaver/le9340zn4k63e9ey/wish/713081507 2020-09-01 19:41:29 UTC https://padlet.com/alisha_nypaver/le9340zn4k63e9ey/wish/713081507 Difference between beat and rhythm tun35614 https://padlet.com/alisha_nypaver/le9340zn4k63e9ey/wish/714202158 At first I was confused on the difference between rhythm and beat. However, watching the videos helped me understand it properly. Rhythm is a like a combination of everything. Beat can also be a part of the rhythm. ]]> 2020-09-02 07:11:24 UTC https://padlet.com/alisha_nypaver/le9340zn4k63e9ey/wish/714202158 MichelleKopaygorodsky https://padlet.com/alisha_nypaver/le9340zn4k63e9ey/wish/715199729 The song I chose to discuss is "Fallin'" by Alicia Keys. Learning about beats and the difference between a beat and a rhythm in this lesson, I can hear that throughout this song there is a steady beat in the background while Alicia Keys is singing. Alicia Keys timbre can be described as full, silky, and smooth. The timbre of two different voices, towards around 0:53 of the video, a lower set of coins comes in singing the same tune that Alicia is singing allowing the overall timbre with the combination of the two different voices, one at a higher level the other set at a lower level to feel full. The dynamic levels in this piece vary depending on which particular part of the song is being described and also depends on how high of a key Alicia Keys is singing at. The higher the notes she's hitting, the dynamic level is probably at a forte (f), although when she goes a little bit lower in key the dynamic level switches to P ( piano) and to mezzo piano. ]]> 2020-09-02 15:33:29 UTC https://padlet.com/alisha_nypaver/le9340zn4k63e9ey/wish/715199729 peterbulic https://padlet.com/alisha_nypaver/le9340zn4k63e9ey/wish/715710663 I now understand the difference between beat and rhythm. I am able to tell the difference because I know that a beat is steady like a heartbeat, while rhythm is the flow through time

]]> 2020-09-02 17:41:37 UTC https://padlet.com/alisha_nypaver/le9340zn4k63e9ey/wish/715710663 I appreciated this lesson because I feel like I frequently confused beat and rhythm. This lesson helped me clearly find a difference between the two and differentiate it when I hear one or the other. tuj67853 https://padlet.com/alisha_nypaver/le9340zn4k63e9ey/wish/715998110 2020-09-02 19:01:42 UTC https://padlet.com/alisha_nypaver/le9340zn4k63e9ey/wish/715998110 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rxgp7TJhUE TonyDiLodovicoJr https://padlet.com/alisha_nypaver/le9340zn4k63e9ey/wish/716069060 this is a song by britney spears. it starts with a slow largo tempo. the timbre of her voice is raspy nasal and deep]]> 2020-09-02 19:26:43 UTC https://padlet.com/alisha_nypaver/le9340zn4k63e9ey/wish/716069060 haleydrumheller https://padlet.com/alisha_nypaver/le9340zn4k63e9ey/wish/716316843 Before this lesson, I had never heard of timbre before nor knew the difference between beat and rhythm. "Rhythm is often built from beat" helped me understand why and how the two are different. Now I am able to pick out the timbre in song collaborations. ]]> 2020-09-02 21:17:54 UTC https://padlet.com/alisha_nypaver/le9340zn4k63e9ey/wish/716316843 adamhersh1013 https://padlet.com/alisha_nypaver/le9340zn4k63e9ey/wish/716746647 Studying physics, I have learned about the frequency ratios between octaves and notes as well as how to build an instrument so that it produces the same frequencies. The timbre of any instrument is then determined by its acoustics.]]> 2020-09-03 02:02:55 UTC https://padlet.com/alisha_nypaver/le9340zn4k63e9ey/wish/716746647 tun61759 https://padlet.com/alisha_nypaver/le9340zn4k63e9ey/wish/718803542 Being a choir member in high school, I would always love when a piece had a dissonant chord. It would always give me goose bumps when performed well. The same thing applies to some consonant chords, but something just hits differently when hearing and performing 
dissonant chords.]]> 2020-09-03 17:26:07 UTC https://padlet.com/alisha_nypaver/le9340zn4k63e9ey/wish/718803542 angenieves88 https://padlet.com/alisha_nypaver/le9340zn4k63e9ey/wish/719391665 One question that I have after this lesson is, how did people come to the concept of tone colors? I'm just curious as how it came to light & what other concepts that haven't been popularized (to describe timbre) are as well.

]]> 2020-09-03 20:15:35 UTC https://padlet.com/alisha_nypaver/le9340zn4k63e9ey/wish/719391665 samd0807 https://padlet.com/alisha_nypaver/le9340zn4k63e9ey/wish/719538023 I have a little trouble telling the difference between all the different dynamic levels. How are you supposed to label the music?]]> 2020-09-03 21:32:06 UTC https://padlet.com/alisha_nypaver/le9340zn4k63e9ey/wish/719538023 AmiShah011 https://padlet.com/alisha_nypaver/le9340zn4k63e9ey/wish/722039996 Before the video, I did not know the difference between rhythm and beat but I definitely understand it way more. For beats, it has to be considered to consistent and steady. I also never heard of timbre before today!]]> 2020-09-04 20:12:42 UTC https://padlet.com/alisha_nypaver/le9340zn4k63e9ey/wish/722039996 tuj21370 https://padlet.com/alisha_nypaver/le9340zn4k63e9ey/wish/722241030 Since timbre is used to describe differences of sounds in instruments, voices etc. What characteristics are considered to know if they're going to pair well together? For instance, the voices of Ella Fitzgerald and Louis Armstrong. They are completely different, but together it sounded terrific.

The artist I chose is a live performance of My Hero by Dave Grohl the front man of Foo Fighters from when he was younger. He has a strong, raspy, clear voice, perfect for the rock genre. Using an acoustic guitar, it has a definite pitch.]]> 2020-09-04 23:21:34 UTC https://padlet.com/alisha_nypaver/le9340zn4k63e9ey/wish/722241030 tuf14789 https://padlet.com/alisha_nypaver/le9340zn4k63e9ey/wish/722838024 Timbre seems simple to understand but it is still hard to get my head around- it seems like evaluating timbre using the words provided is still subjective to the listener, even though it has objective qualities.

I thought using Ella Fitzgerald and Louis Armstrong's duet to show timbre was very helpful. I see that people will often agree when describing timbre, at least to a certain extent. The differences come in what the the descriptive words mean to the listener.]]> 2020-09-05 20:58:32 UTC https://padlet.com/alisha_nypaver/le9340zn4k63e9ey/wish/722838024 One thing I would like to know a little more about is what makes two completely different beats, sounds, rhythms go together. for example how do you manage to work with an apple and an orange and make the best out of it? I also would like to know what other concepts that describe timbre are there, and is this something that's ever evolving as music changed over the decades? zanettdavila1022 https://padlet.com/alisha_nypaver/le9340zn4k63e9ey/wish/722998303 2020-09-06 03:36:06 UTC https://padlet.com/alisha_nypaver/le9340zn4k63e9ey/wish/722998303 Cassidy Orzel https://padlet.com/alisha_nypaver/le9340zn4k63e9ey/wish/723011446 One of my favorite songs at the moment is Divine Intervention by Taking Back Sunday. In this song, the timbre of the singer's voice can be described as small, warm, and mellow. The main instrument in the song is acoustic guitar and that instrument alone can be described as full and strong since it seems to be the power behind the vocals. 
I also have a question to do with timbre/tone colors. Does the term and aspect of tone colors have anything to do with synesthesia with sound and colors?]]> 2020-09-06 04:05:49 UTC https://padlet.com/alisha_nypaver/le9340zn4k63e9ey/wish/723011446 tul19198 https://padlet.com/alisha_nypaver/le9340zn4k63e9ey/wish/723131943 An observation I made is that when we listen to music we usually focus on the "big picture", we don't tend to focus on every element individually and really examining it. I think that's why it takes a little bit of practice to distinguish between the elements and not confuse the definitions with each other.

The song I have chosen is Stolen Dance by Milky Chance. His timbre is rounded yet warm and gentle. The dynamic levels in the song tend to be Mezzo Piano, however, throughout the song there are multiple points where there is a crescendo at the same time that the singer changes his voice to a slightly higher pitch. ]]> 2020-09-06 06:50:54 UTC https://padlet.com/alisha_nypaver/le9340zn4k63e9ey/wish/723131943 Ben Schlosser BenSchlosser https://padlet.com/alisha_nypaver/le9340zn4k63e9ey/wish/723485869 What is considered a bad combination of musical elements? If I change the pitch, dynamics, or tone color randomly to a piece of music will it become a less attractive work? 
An observation I made is that certain voices go well with certain instruments like how Louie Armstrong's raspy and strong voice meshes with his trumpet so well. The song I chose is "Oh, What a Night" by The Dells. I believe this song follows a song crescendo because when The Dells sing the lyric "I love you so" it is fortissimo but the build up to that lyric is much more calm. The song is more predictable than variable. The steady steady beat of the piano and drums compliments the lyric "oh what a night" which reoccurs a lot in this song.

]]> 2020-09-06 16:48:32 UTC https://padlet.com/alisha_nypaver/le9340zn4k63e9ey/wish/723485869 Bakari Byfield Bakari_Byfield https://padlet.com/alisha_nypaver/le9340zn4k63e9ey/wish/723507222 Is it possible to make a good sounding mix with gravely and husky timbre as well as smooth and full timbre?]]> 2020-09-06 17:24:57 UTC https://padlet.com/alisha_nypaver/le9340zn4k63e9ey/wish/723507222 tun19086 https://padlet.com/alisha_nypaver/le9340zn4k63e9ey/wish/723560726 Timbre is a confusing concept because there are so many different ways that people create music nowadays, and even just focusing on all of the different singers that are out there right now the putting of the artists into categories is somewhat difficult to me. One observation that I made was when we were seeing the difference in timbre between Louis Armstrong and Ella Fitzgerald's way of singing, there is such a difference between the way that people seeing even if they are from the same timeframe.]]> 2020-09-06 18:57:11 UTC https://padlet.com/alisha_nypaver/le9340zn4k63e9ey/wish/723560726 tun54147 https://padlet.com/alisha_nypaver/le9340zn4k63e9ey/wish/723569404 Timbre is a very hard concept to grasp, how can you listen to colors? ]]> 2020-09-06 19:10:49 UTC https://padlet.com/alisha_nypaver/le9340zn4k63e9ey/wish/723569404 Patrick Kelly tuj56887 https://padlet.com/alisha_nypaver/le9340zn4k63e9ey/wish/723581094 It is amazing how we can perceive sounds so no two people sound the same, I understand pitch and tempo  and timbre of voices allow us to do this, but to hear so many voices and not get them mixed up seems impossible. How do we do this? An observation I made is something I somehow had never thought of is that peoples voices really do have colors. To me, Ella sounded like a light sky blue because her notes seemed to be floating in the sky, but Louis was a darker grey or brown  or burgundy because he had the raspy voice that hung out on the bottom.
This song is I can't go on without you by KALEO. They are my current favorite artist and JJ Julius Son, the lead singer, does an incredible job of conveying the sadness of the song through his timbre which has a dark blue or purple to me.

]]> 2020-09-06 19:30:22 UTC https://padlet.com/alisha_nypaver/le9340zn4k63e9ey/wish/723581094 Oliver Smuts tum93942 https://padlet.com/alisha_nypaver/le9340zn4k63e9ey/wish/723660419 In watching the short video about the differences between rhythms and beats, I realized the beat of a song tends to be more of a steady pulse. Whereas rhythms are most up-tempo and fast moving.
 ]]> 2020-09-06 21:45:18 UTC https://padlet.com/alisha_nypaver/le9340zn4k63e9ey/wish/723660419 Zoe Sohenick tuj75762 https://padlet.com/alisha_nypaver/le9340zn4k63e9ey/wish/723681973 I love Alicia Key's Voice. She has such a full and bellowing, yet silky and smooth voice. I love this song in general also because it does start off somewhat in a soft, warm-hearted sense. As the song continues, you can feel her heartbreak in the bluesy way she sings. In addition to the build up of the whole song, the arrangement builds from soft to bellowing every verse which leads to her belting to express her emotion.]]> 2020-09-06 22:23:25 UTC https://padlet.com/alisha_nypaver/le9340zn4k63e9ey/wish/723681973 David Ruffin Jonathan_Hernandez_ https://padlet.com/alisha_nypaver/le9340zn4k63e9ey/wish/723866198 I think my favorite individual singing voice is David Ruffin, the original primary lead in the Tempations. Describing his timbre, it ranges from the smooth and warm approach he takes on ballads and quieter verses, to the bellowy, husky, rasp he employs on songs like the one attached - I'm Losing You. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8WM90VuOcA]]> 2020-09-07 01:22:16 UTC https://padlet.com/alisha_nypaver/le9340zn4k63e9ey/wish/723866198 Orah Smith tuj87337 https://padlet.com/alisha_nypaver/le9340zn4k63e9ey/wish/724030323 The dynamic of this song  is amazing to me. I love Alicia Keys and I saw a lot of other Alicia keys songs on here which inspired me to shared this one (one of my favorites). (Back to the dynamic of this song) I feel like with this song in particular keys pared harsh and striking instrumentals with her soft and soothing voice and it some how just flows so nicely. The beat is powerful and rough while her voice is elegant and soft]]> 2020-09-07 03:11:28 UTC https://padlet.com/alisha_nypaver/le9340zn4k63e9ey/wish/724030323 Marissa Weinberg MarissaWeinberg https://padlet.com/alisha_nypaver/le9340zn4k63e9ey/wish/724040867 2020-09-07 03:18:59 UTC https://padlet.com/alisha_nypaver/le9340zn4k63e9ey/wish/724040867 Marissa Weinberg MarissaWeinberg https://padlet.com/alisha_nypaver/le9340zn4k63e9ey/wish/724053154 This song always impresses me because of the rhythmic diversity Billie uses in the production. The song begins with her voice sounding silky and almost dragging a little. The rhythm then picks up half way through when an indefinite pitch comes in. It helps break up the song and add energy and then the song flows back into her soft voice before ending.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dm9Zf1WYQ_A]]> 2020-09-07 03:28:07 UTC https://padlet.com/alisha_nypaver/le9340zn4k63e9ey/wish/724053154 Blinding Lights - The Weeknd zacaryharris https://padlet.com/alisha_nypaver/le9340zn4k63e9ey/wish/733480484 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NRXx6U8ABQ

In this piece, the Weeknd's voice has a bright, breathy, and clear  timbre. The dynamics of the song are: mf = mezzo forte (medium loud) with a crescendo (cresc.) near the end and the music gradually gets louder. The Weeknd's timbre is one  of the elements of his voice that makes it very distinct and appealing.  ]]> 2020-09-10 01:13:01 UTC https://padlet.com/alisha_nypaver/le9340zn4k63e9ey/wish/733480484 tun53006 https://padlet.com/alisha_nypaver/le9340zn4k63e9ey/wish/739395768 Are people drawn to a more smooth and full timbre rather than a husky kind of timbre? Do people prefer a certain timbre over another? When I listen to music, the first time I listen through a song, I listen to it as a whole, like a collection of the sounds. However, the more I listen to it, the more I break apart the individual pieces that make the song work.]]> 2020-09-11 16:23:45 UTC https://padlet.com/alisha_nypaver/le9340zn4k63e9ey/wish/739395768 tun33518 https://padlet.com/alisha_nypaver/le9340zn4k63e9ey/wish/740704131 Before taking this class, it seemed to me that beat and rhythm were interchangeable and people would use them as such. However, the video helps a lot to show the difference. I was in a medical program in high school so, by using the analogy if the heart, I was able to understand the concept much better. ]]> 2020-09-12 03:12:06 UTC https://padlet.com/alisha_nypaver/le9340zn4k63e9ey/wish/740704131 The element of music that I am struggling the most to understand is Timbre. tuk86475 https://padlet.com/alisha_nypaver/le9340zn4k63e9ey/wish/742073274 2020-09-13 18:37:04 UTC https://padlet.com/alisha_nypaver/le9340zn4k63e9ey/wish/742073274 Musical Elements tug99913 https://padlet.com/alisha_nypaver/le9340zn4k63e9ey/wish/742221596 Something I observed in this lesson is that music can be both simple and extremely complex. Although we listen to songs as a whole, there are several different elements that for a musical piece. 

Kodak Black - Calling My Spirit


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppSY98RGyBU

Kodak's use of timbre and dynamics varies in this song. I would describe his timbre as mellow and resonant during the chorus. Meanwhile, his ad-libs are shrill and piercing. As any hip-hop/rap song, this track uses bass and snare drums that give this song an indefinite pitch.
]]> 2020-09-13 21:38:51 UTC https://padlet.com/alisha_nypaver/le9340zn4k63e9ey/wish/742221596 Question taylorplace https://padlet.com/alisha_nypaver/le9340zn4k63e9ey/wish/742312042 why do we use tone color to describe the sound of music?

]]> 2020-09-13 23:31:15 UTC https://padlet.com/alisha_nypaver/le9340zn4k63e9ey/wish/742312042 Can we ever be wrong about timbre? jessicahastings27 https://padlet.com/alisha_nypaver/le9340zn4k63e9ey/wish/742410721 2020-09-14 00:41:31 UTC https://padlet.com/alisha_nypaver/le9340zn4k63e9ey/wish/742410721 tul15484 https://padlet.com/alisha_nypaver/le9340zn4k63e9ey/wish/742452847 I really liked how Fitzgerald's and Armstrong's timbre contrasted and complimented each other in the song "Let's Call the Whole Thing Off." I would like to know more about how musicians consider timbre when making a song. ]]> 2020-09-14 01:02:55 UTC https://padlet.com/alisha_nypaver/le9340zn4k63e9ey/wish/742452847 Question tuj87337 https://padlet.com/alisha_nypaver/le9340zn4k63e9ey/wish/762051161 The Non-metrical song that we listened to made me feel uneasy. How was your experience like listening to it for the first time?]]> 2020-09-20 15:01:04 UTC https://padlet.com/alisha_nypaver/le9340zn4k63e9ey/wish/762051161