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         <description><![CDATA[<div>Put questions here <br><br>Why did God let my aunt die of Covid<br><br>Where is God when a tsunami kills innocent children</div>]]></description>
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10.30-11.30 Clare
11.30- 12.30 Tom 1
12.30-1.30 - lunch
1.30-2.15 Tom 2
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         <description><![CDATA[<div>derek Bell - whose afraid of critical race theory<br>vince Bantu<br><br>John 4 - samaritan woman<br>possible misuse of Gal 3<br>Luke 8.42 - woman with bleeding - communities have been haemorraging for years<br>corona - Dr Susan Moore, USA<br><br><strong>ACts 17</strong><br>Engaging culture is not the same as embracing it<br><br>Blind Bart - intersectional poor, disabled, ostracised<br><br></div>]]></description>
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         <description><![CDATA[<div>This is a list of topics that might give you some applications of some of the apologetics, worldview and film conversations from today. I would be glad to hear from any of you in the future. If I can help with missional advising/consulting, seminars, training, teaching or outreach events, then let’s talk. Do get in touch with me. Email: tom.price@gmail.com<br><br></div>]]></description>
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         <description><![CDATA[Kidner  on psalm 127

Three of the most universal preoccupations. 

Building
Security
Raising a family 

Ascribed to Solomon (his beloved - Jedidiah) 
Despite his desire for wisdom, many of these lessons he struggled to live for himself. 
“His building, both literal and figurative, became reckless, his kingdom a ruin, and his marriages a disastrous denial of God”

“It is not untypical of Gods gifts that their are liabilities, or at least responsibilities before they are obvious assets. The greater their promise, the more likely that these sons will be a handful before they are a quiverful.” (478)

The completeness of each side of the psalm suggests two psalms- but they are tied together with a pun - usual in Hebrew. Word play of builders and sons. 

But this links together perhaps the idea that builders and sons may well be the same as families build together ? 

Praying into this myself. 


Second question. What was or is the Lord. Holding contrasting with what I am building. 

Physically the size of the task ... clearing of the rubble , prayerful working , what is swept aside in the storm vs what stands up in the storm. 

Nature creeps back over what we build , like the tendrils as the jungle swallows the temple of old, or the simple process by which the grass swallows the yard and the tracks. 

Heb 
Bonim  - builders. 
Banim - sons 

Potential ... from the present ‘Lord builds’
To the future “will be” of the second stanza. 

Spurgeon. 

‘The word vain is the keynote here, and we hear it ring out clearly three times.’

First vanity is as a group. 

‘Great houses have been erected by ambitious men; but like the baseless fabric of a vision they have passed away, and scarce a stone remains to tell where once they stood.’


Second vanity is over the city or society. 

Except the LORD keep the city, the watchman waketh but in vain. 

Although a watchman might spot a few marauders in truth an invasion is in the hands of God, the watchmen cannot stop this or save the city. It is not going to work. 

‘Note that the Psalmist does not bid the builder cease from labouring, nor suggest that watchmen should neglect their duty, nor that men should show their trust in God by doing nothing: nay, he supposes that they will do all that they can do, and then he forbids their fixing their trust in what they have done, and assures them that all creature effort will be in vain unless the Creator puts forth his power, to render second causes effectual.’

Third vanity is personal or individual work and burden. 

The middle building is one man in a city, then the city then the one man. All three levels of household and responsibility - 

Culturally though, many tribes or areas place house building as a part of adulthood and having your own family. Ndebele or some Ugandan for example but also in Greece and Turkey - a young man must physically know how to build in order to deserve a wife family and children. The techniques learned in teenagerdom. Young men to learn to use their own hands and develop their own skills. 


 ‘It is vain for you to rise up early, to sit up late, to eat the bread of sorrows.’

He grants sleep. 

Either a sense of peace and lack of worry concern and sorrow. 

Or that many times things happen when we are not Making them happen. An emergent future not a constructed one? 

A sense of responsiveness not frenetic activism. Is this a corrective?  It slothful but prayerful hard work, not stressful but tired at the end of a day of manual Labour. 

Even on a building site some things happen when you sleep, like paint drying or concrete setting. You cannot rush what you cannot rush. 

How can one find a way to build more slowly but more resiliently, build relationships and people not projects. 

Is the SONS more important than the HOUSE, the household as the people, and the household of God as the people of God? 

.......


Lord Jesus…

Let us build a house where love can dwell
and all can safely live.
A place where saints and children tell
how hearts learn to forgive.
Built of hopes and dreams and visions,
rock of faith and vault of grace;
here Your love shall end divisions:
all are welcome in this place.

Let us build a house where prophets speak,
and words are strong and true.
Where all God’s children dare to seek
to dream God’s reign anew.
Here the cross shall stand as witness
and as symbol of God’s grace;
here as one we name our faith in You;
all are welcome in this place.

Let us build a house where love is found
in water, wine and wheat;
a banquet hall on holy ground,
where peace and justice meet.
Here the love of God, through You, Jesus,
is revealed in time and space,
as we share in You the feast that frees us;
all are welcome in this place.

Let us build a house where hands will reach
beyond the wood and stone,
to heal and strengthen, serve and teach,
and live the Word they’ve known.
Here the outcast and the stranger
bears the image of God’s face;
let us bring and end to fear and danger:
all are welcome in this place.

Let us build a house where all are named,
their songs and visions heard
and loved and treasured, taught and claimed
as words within the Word.
Built of tears and cries and laughter,
prayers of faith and songs of grace.
Let this house proclaim from floor to rafter:
all are welcome in this place.

Marty Haugen

Orthodox prayer 

Priest: Let us pray to the Lord.

People: Lord have mercy.

Priest: O God Almighty, Who made the Heavens with wisdom and has established the earth upon its sure foundations, the Creator and Author of all men, look upon these Your servants (Names), to whom it has seemed good to set up a house for their dwelling in the dominion of Your Power, and to rear it by building; establish it upon a stable rock, and found it according to Your divine word in the Gospel, so that neither wind, nor flood, nor any other thing shall be able to harm it; graciously grant that they may bring it to completion, and deliver all them who shall wish to dwell therein from every attack of the enemy; for Yours is the dominion, and Yours is the Kingdom, and the Power, and the Glory, of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, both now and ever, and to the ages of ages. Amen.

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