https://padlet.com/taylor_p_helms/kc3hf3w4flrg Post Anonymously en-us 2016-09-12 18:50:02 UTC 2016-09-15 18:17:18 UTC hello@padlet.com https://padlet.com/taylor_p_helms/kc3hf3w4flrg/wish/123265557 Although all three men were seeking to define the word, "civilized," Jones and Dawes, government agents, believed that the definition of civilized should be living as a "normal" American, while Lummis disagreed because he had the experience of living among the Native Americans believed it was the family aspect that made you civilized. ]]> 2016-09-12 18:52:44 UTC https://padlet.com/taylor_p_helms/kc3hf3w4flrg/wish/123265557 psintoni https://padlet.com/taylor_p_helms/kc3hf3w4flrg/wish/123265568 Although all three of these men lived during a time where Indians were thought of as inferior, they continued to speak their opinion on the Indians and what they thought to be civilized.]]> 2016-09-12 18:52:45 UTC https://padlet.com/taylor_p_helms/kc3hf3w4flrg/wish/123265568 jkoman https://padlet.com/taylor_p_helms/kc3hf3w4flrg/wish/123265570 Although all three men grew up in a European led household and society, superior to the Natives, Jones and Dawes have a similar opinion, contrary to Lummis', when defining "civilization" because Lummis had a firsthand experience of living the Native American lifestyle while Jones and Dawes were powerful men looking to reshape the lives of the Natives that they knew so scarcely about.]]> 2016-09-12 18:52:45 UTC https://padlet.com/taylor_p_helms/kc3hf3w4flrg/wish/123265570 https://padlet.com/taylor_p_helms/kc3hf3w4flrg/wish/123265572 Although all of these men are from European decent, they have different views on Native Americans. Jones and Dawes both agree that to be civilized, you first need to be americanized. On the other hand, Lummis believes that families are civilized, therefore Native Americans are civilized. He believes this because he lived alongside the Native Americans, while Dawes and Jones partook in powerful positions over Native Americans.]]> 2016-09-12 18:52:46 UTC https://padlet.com/taylor_p_helms/kc3hf3w4flrg/wish/123265572 https://padlet.com/taylor_p_helms/kc3hf3w4flrg/wish/123265573 Although the three men are of European descent, civilized means different to Lummis, then to Jones and Dawes because Lummis experienced Native traditions by living with them, as to the others who were in control and wanted their normal civilized meaning.]]> 2016-09-12 18:52:46 UTC https://padlet.com/taylor_p_helms/kc3hf3w4flrg/wish/123265573 https://padlet.com/taylor_p_helms/kc3hf3w4flrg/wish/123265599 Although, each of the men lived in the same time period, and had some of the same interactions with the Indians, because two of the men were government authorities and the other man was just someone who had the experience of traveling and living everywhere, this created different outlooks on life, which led to The Dawes Act and Long Haired Letter's definition of civilized more similar to each other than the Charles Lummis Bio. ]]> 2016-09-12 18:52:49 UTC https://padlet.com/taylor_p_helms/kc3hf3w4flrg/wish/123265599 https://padlet.com/taylor_p_helms/kc3hf3w4flrg/wish/123265604 Although all of the men in the documents were originally European dissenters of the Indian ways, Dawes and and Jones developed the view that being civilized meant conforming to European society in contradiction to Lummis' view that it was all about having family because of their different experiences and relationships with the Indians. ]]> 2016-09-12 18:52:50 UTC https://padlet.com/taylor_p_helms/kc3hf3w4flrg/wish/123265604 https://padlet.com/taylor_p_helms/kc3hf3w4flrg/wish/123265612 Although all three men lived in a period of discrimination against Native Americans, they defined "being civilized" as either having a family or living the typical European lifestyle in the U.S. because of their different experiences in positions of powers that guided their ideals.]]> 2016-09-12 18:52:51 UTC https://padlet.com/taylor_p_helms/kc3hf3w4flrg/wish/123265612 https://padlet.com/taylor_p_helms/kc3hf3w4flrg/wish/123265616 Although the three men strived to create a civilized Indian culture, they each had different beliefs on what it meant to be civilized because of their different background experiences with the Indians. ]]> 2016-09-12 18:52:53 UTC https://padlet.com/taylor_p_helms/kc3hf3w4flrg/wish/123265616 https://padlet.com/taylor_p_helms/kc3hf3w4flrg/wish/123265631 Although all three of the writers wrote these documents during a time period when discrimination against the Native Americans was prominent, Jones and Dawes defined citizenship by stating that you have to act like Americans while Lummis defined it differently by stating that they had families and were therefore already citizens most likely because Jones and Dawes were in power over the Native Americans, while Lummis lived with them and knew them on a different level.]]> 2016-09-12 18:52:55 UTC https://padlet.com/taylor_p_helms/kc3hf3w4flrg/wish/123265631 https://padlet.com/taylor_p_helms/kc3hf3w4flrg/wish/123265696 Although these men are of European decent, Dawes and Jones agreed that being civilized involves adapting the American lifestyle, contradicting Lummis' idea of having a family because Dawes and Jones held superior titles and Lummis was a traveling journalist.]]> 2016-09-12 18:53:04 UTC https://padlet.com/taylor_p_helms/kc3hf3w4flrg/wish/123265696 https://padlet.com/taylor_p_helms/kc3hf3w4flrg/wish/123265705 Although all three of these men in the Long Haired Letter, Dawes Act, and the Charles Lummis bio were of European decent, their definitions of civilized were defined as either sharing the same cultural values as the European Americans or having a family, because two of these men held authoritative positions in the government, while the other viewed the Natives as equal.]]> 2016-09-12 18:53:06 UTC https://padlet.com/taylor_p_helms/kc3hf3w4flrg/wish/123265705 awillis7 https://padlet.com/taylor_p_helms/kc3hf3w4flrg/wish/123265711 Although they were all members of the white upper class, Jones, Dawes, and Lummis all tried to define the word civilized in reference to Native Americans because of their life experiences as well as the cultural and inherent prejudice against Native Americans in the United States during that time period.]]> 2016-09-12 18:53:07 UTC https://padlet.com/taylor_p_helms/kc3hf3w4flrg/wish/123265711 https://padlet.com/taylor_p_helms/kc3hf3w4flrg/wish/123265713 Although all of these men are from European dissent, both Jones and Dawes have similar definitions of the world civilized, unlike Lummis's definition of the word, because Lummis had experienced living with the native Americans and the other two hadn't.]]> 2016-09-12 18:53:08 UTC https://padlet.com/taylor_p_helms/kc3hf3w4flrg/wish/123265713 https://padlet.com/taylor_p_helms/kc3hf3w4flrg/wish/123265778 Although all men began their quest influenced by European-American thought trains, as denoted in a historical context, the word "civilized" can be found in reference to an Americanized group holding with a vigor to European social parameters in opposition or the mere existence of a familial structure because while one man lived within and without- immersed and yet not native- others lived alienated from a culture which they applied labels based on age old European institutions defining civilization. ]]> 2016-09-12 18:53:20 UTC https://padlet.com/taylor_p_helms/kc3hf3w4flrg/wish/123265778 https://padlet.com/taylor_p_helms/kc3hf3w4flrg/wish/123265782 Although the three men who seeked to define the word "civilized" lived in a time where Native Americans were seen as the opposite of this, their definitions vary whether it is to be like an average European American or to be part of a family, the definitions vary because these three men were not Natives themselves but were rather in positions of power like Dawes and Jones, or supported and lived amongst them like Lummis.]]> 2016-09-12 18:53:21 UTC https://padlet.com/taylor_p_helms/kc3hf3w4flrg/wish/123265782 https://padlet.com/taylor_p_helms/kc3hf3w4flrg/wish/123265786 Although each writer is a white european-american, they each defined "civilized" in their own way, because of of how each interacted with the Native Americans.]]> 2016-09-12 18:53:21 UTC https://padlet.com/taylor_p_helms/kc3hf3w4flrg/wish/123265786 https://padlet.com/taylor_p_helms/kc3hf3w4flrg/wish/123265799 Despite the fact all three men had a foot in the Native American affairs of the late 1800's, Dawes and Jones both shared the same ideas of what it meant to be civilized because of how they played a power role in the Indians lives where as Lummis worked along side them as their equal.]]> 2016-09-12 18:53:25 UTC https://padlet.com/taylor_p_helms/kc3hf3w4flrg/wish/123265799 https://padlet.com/taylor_p_helms/kc3hf3w4flrg/wish/123265800 Although Lummis, Dawes, and Jones were all of European descent, they expressed different ways to define civilized, Jones and Dawes believed in more American ways while Lummis defined it as anyone with a family, because of the experiences and exposures they had in their life.]]> 2016-09-12 18:53:25 UTC https://padlet.com/taylor_p_helms/kc3hf3w4flrg/wish/123265800 https://padlet.com/taylor_p_helms/kc3hf3w4flrg/wish/123265842 Although Lummis, Dawes, and Jones were writing at a time where Indians were considered second class, these men took a stance on whether or not they viewed the Indians as civilized, because of the position in society he had.]]> 2016-09-12 18:53:32 UTC https://padlet.com/taylor_p_helms/kc3hf3w4flrg/wish/123265842 https://padlet.com/taylor_p_helms/kc3hf3w4flrg/wish/123265869 Although they were all educated on the subject, civilization varied according to Dawes, Lummis, and Jones, because of their involvement or absence in the Indians lives. ]]> 2016-09-12 18:53:37 UTC https://padlet.com/taylor_p_helms/kc3hf3w4flrg/wish/123265869 https://padlet.com/taylor_p_helms/kc3hf3w4flrg/wish/123265903 Although the definition of civilized is that everyone is living in peace.That two of the men in the stories felt the meaning of civil was that the Natives did what they wanted to and the other felt something different.One man wanted to help the Natives because it was the right thing to do instead of taking things from them.While the others just took and changed everything that the Natives were and had.Although they are Europeans they wanted different things for the Natives to become civilized.]]> 2016-09-12 18:53:44 UTC https://padlet.com/taylor_p_helms/kc3hf3w4flrg/wish/123265903 gmarcoccia https://padlet.com/taylor_p_helms/kc3hf3w4flrg/wish/123317858 Although Jones, Lummis, and Dawes were all of European descent they each has different views of what it meant to be civilized. Dawes and Jones believed in European traditions while Lummis thought anyone with a family was civilized.]]> 2016-09-13 00:53:17 UTC https://padlet.com/taylor_p_helms/kc3hf3w4flrg/wish/123317858 https://padlet.com/taylor_p_helms/kc3hf3w4flrg/wish/123328228 In spite of the fact that civilized has a set definition, the word means very different things to different people, Jones and Dawes, as well as the majority of Americans in the nineteenth and twentieth centuries, to be civilized was to partake in the activities of Western society, contrasting with Lummis' ideas that civilization stems from familial relations and loyalty to the hearth.]]> 2016-09-13 02:35:28 UTC https://padlet.com/taylor_p_helms/kc3hf3w4flrg/wish/123328228 https://padlet.com/taylor_p_helms/kc3hf3w4flrg/wish/123397077 Although Jones, Lummis, and Dawes were all of similar descent, they all had different ideas of what it meant to be civilized. Dawes and Jones' ideas were more against the Native traditions, whereas Lummis believed being civilized meant having family.]]> 2016-09-13 11:52:25 UTC https://padlet.com/taylor_p_helms/kc3hf3w4flrg/wish/123397077 https://padlet.com/taylor_p_helms/kc3hf3w4flrg/wish/123411510 Although there were similarities between Jones, Dawes, and Lummis in their European ancestry and education, they are not alike because t Dawes and Jones, civilized means doing things that "every other american" does, however to Lummis, there is no civilization without family.]]> 2016-09-13 12:45:36 UTC https://padlet.com/taylor_p_helms/kc3hf3w4flrg/wish/123411510 https://padlet.com/taylor_p_helms/kc3hf3w4flrg/wish/123462232 Although Dawes, Jones, and Lummis were of European descent they all had different ideas of the term civilized because of their different experiences however, Lummis has the right idea of civilized in how it deals with family's and was about civilization and not based on how the Indians are bad.]]> 2016-09-13 14:19:01 UTC https://padlet.com/taylor_p_helms/kc3hf3w4flrg/wish/123462232 https://padlet.com/taylor_p_helms/kc3hf3w4flrg/wish/123502468 Dawes, Jones, and Lummis were three white males from European descent, but they disagreed on the definition of a simple term, civilized, debating whether it was to live like a "normal" white american, as Dawes and Jones saw the term, or whether civility refers to family, as Lummis perceived the term.]]> 2016-09-13 15:35:05 UTC https://padlet.com/taylor_p_helms/kc3hf3w4flrg/wish/123502468