1A Socratic Seminar Outer Circle by Natalie Lopez

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nlopez189 — 2025-10-22 12:11:15 UTC

Thought of Seeking Revenge

28augerj — 2025-10-22 12:13:10 UTC

I like what Jieselle said a few minutes ago about it being just the thought of seeking revenge, because in one of the articles like Julisa said, the participants who were told they got something and only got placebo didn't react since they thought it wouldn't make them feel any better

Chase

28fordj3 — 2025-10-22 12:13:22 UTC

I like the evidence that Chase provides to support his point when he talks about how people can find other ways to cope with their situations instead of getting revenge.

I also had the same question with "Can you imagine how Will felt after finding out that Riggs didn’t kill Shawn?"

2025-10-22 12:13:24 UTC

I just believe he was shocked

28palaug — 2025-10-22 12:13:57 UTC

I thought it was a good conversation after the first question everyone kept going and made it a strong conversation. And provided tons of evidence and proof

Jenetta asked a good question

28reyesgarciav — 2025-10-22 12:17:26 UTC

She wanted people to think about how those two different characters took different approaches but for the same reason of revenge

group 1

28ortizd1 — 2025-10-22 12:17:45 UTC

I liked how Julisa stated how acting on revenge harms both sides due to the overall guilt because it connects to the idea of how revenge leaves a long-lasting impact in a person's life.
I liked Corinne's question about Will in A Long Way Down and whether he wanted to get revenge for the Rules or his brother because it leaves an open mind on if his desire for revenge, had more of a deeper meaning.

how it passes and is transmitted between generations

28quiroze — 2025-10-22 12:17:51 UTC

how revenge is passed on and justified is a good point, but I also think that the justification for why it is passed on is something that doesn't make sense because they pass the evils on to their families, it's like passing a bomb to your friend when it's about to explode.

28parharm — 2025-10-22 12:18:02 UTC

In response to Corinne's question about whether Will got revenge because of the rules or because it is his brother. Will got revenge because he looked up to his brother and he might've felt that he was obligated to follow them. He might have felt that he was responsible for getting revenge. I liked how Madison responded to the question about Will feeling obligated to get revenge because Will looked up to his brother.

Do you think you could easily "get over it" and "let it go" when it comes to getting revenge if you've been wronged? Thoughts?

nlopez189 — 2025-10-22 12:18:40 UTC

28palaug — 2025-10-22 12:19:59 UTC

Also I liked how everyone had good questions with evidence to answer with. And all had a good opinion on how they felt on revenge. And I liked how Jieselle said that if someone to be murdered or wrong doing then that person should have a consequence for their actions.

Jieselle

28fordj3 — 2025-10-22 12:20:14 UTC

She made a great point where she explains that Hamlet felt adrenaline racing through him which fuels his rights for revenge and influenced how he acted towards Juliet, The King, and his mother.

Clousure for revenge

2025-10-22 12:20:33 UTC

The group's debate on wether revenge or clousure is the better option was very interesting, and supported with a lot of evidence.

letting go of revenge and taking it

28quiroze — 2025-10-22 12:20:38 UTC

It's a good point and I agree with her because it shows how it's less harmful to let it go than to pass it on to the next generation and create a vicious cycle. Although it may not be as easy as it seems, I do think it is the best thing for everyone.

2025-10-22 12:21:48 UTC

In response to Jieselle's question revenge could be justified in the case of someone you love being murdered

28augerj — 2025-10-22 12:24:18 UTC

I love Julisa's statement about needing to see the change instead of just hearing it. It is important because somebody could say something and act the complete opposite, so it's a good thing to look out for when deciding to let someone who hurt you back into your life, or if you're keeping them in your life.

28burksj — 2025-10-22 12:30:25 UTC

I like what Julianna said about Hamlet constantly switching between whether he should get revenge or not, because getting revenge on that high of a scale is going to affect everybody in the kingdom and should be contemplated that if what he was going to do was right or not.

28hillegassh — 2025-10-22 12:30:48 UTC

I believe that the questions being asked are well put together and relevant.

28perezj1 — 2025-10-22 12:31:26 UTC

Mehar's question brings up an important question, acting on revenge mainly has to do with emotions and the irrationality of someones mind during that time.

28burkhartc — 2025-10-22 12:31:29 UTC

I agree with Logan where it depends on how bad the thing that they did was. If the situation was small revenge isn't necessary but if it genuinely hurt you revenge might to able to be justified

julianna

28medrickm — 2025-10-22 12:32:36 UTC

i believe you can curve your thought from revenge when you take time to cool down assess the situation.

28perezj1 — 2025-10-22 12:32:58 UTC

I agree with what Logan said because you need to think about what will happen long-term rather than short-term because the consequences could be dire.

28burkhartc — 2025-10-22 12:33:14 UTC

julianna had a strong question based off of how could you curve your mindset into thinking about the long-run of revenge rather then just thinking about your feelings right now

28craftr — 2025-10-22 12:33:20 UTC

In response to Julianna's question I would try and find help from a loved one to talk to and make sure to think of others and how that could hurt my self.

Julianna

28holmesj1 — 2025-10-22 12:34:30 UTC

Julianna asked how can you curve a desire for revenge to avoid making the wrong decision and I thought this was a good question

28perezj1 — 2025-10-22 12:34:34 UTC

I agree with Gregorio because some motives are understandable, while some motives can seem unnecessary.

28hillegassh — 2025-10-22 12:35:01 UTC

I agree with Logan that if I had a similar situation as a person I would feel bad for them but if I did not I would judge them because I think there could be better ways to go about something rather than revenge.

Would you judge someone who decided to get revenge or would you also get revenge?-Vanessa

28burksj — 2025-10-22 12:36:06 UTC

In response to vanessa's question. I would not judge them and I would probably do the same. I wouldn't judge anybody for how they decide to handle their grief and even if I don't agree, I wouldn't judge them. I would also probably be in the same boat as them because I tend to react based off my emotions and a strong emotion like grief would absolutely send me into a spiral of needing to get some level of revenge.

28perezj1 — 2025-10-22 12:37:19 UTC

I agree with Julianna because watching someone you hold dear to you get murdered unnecessarily and violently, especially at a young age, right in front of you can have a big impact on you.

28burksj — 2025-10-22 12:37:26 UTC

I like what Jayden said about Will's dad making the mistake of taking an innocent person's life based off an assumption.

group 2

28coronag — 2025-10-22 12:38:43 UTC

I like Mehar's question about what it would take for you to want to seek revenge. I think that it would take a lot from me because I prefer to just let things go, but others may be different and want revenge if someone did something that really affected them.

I really like Julianna's question about what you could do in the moment to prevent yourself from immediately wanting to get revenge because if people just calmed themselves before acting the conflict would not escalate further than it already has.

28burksj — 2025-10-22 12:38:44 UTC

I agree with what Ronvel said, because Will was put in a very traumatic situation and it will affect him for the rest of his life so it would be understandable if he decided to get revenge.

28perezj1 — 2025-10-22 12:39:34 UTC

In response to Ronvel's statement, while a simple apology doesn't equate to the pain of losing someone, it doesn't call for a violent revenge that would end up continuing the cycle that had been going on for generations and harming countless others.

28burksj — 2025-10-22 12:43:21 UTC

I agree with what Ronvel said, because in must cases when people decide to get revenge on that level they are fully prepared to die so they aren't worried about the consequences of their actions because they don't know if they are making it out of that situation alive.

Response to Louis

28mullerc1 — 2025-10-22 12:46:19 UTC

To respond to Louis' question, I do not feel that a simple apology is good enough to fix strong feelings of revenge. I would need to see that the transgressor is actually sorry, since I don't think words alone are enough. However, I do think an apology is a step in the right direction and a great way to start. This is backed by the article Why Getting Even May Make You Feel Worse in the Long Run, where one of the utilized studies shows "when a victim receives an explanation and an apology, the desire for revenge weakens." (Wallace 3).

Response to Alijah

28velascoj — 2025-10-23 12:18:45 UTC

To respond to this question, I think that seeking revenge for a loved one is a bad thing. I was taught that revenge is only reserved for God, even if the grief and sadness is really painful revenge is not for humans to take part in.