https://padlet.com/mijahamizahxx/kab0kvlqmjjo Professional Nursing Debate en-us 2018-05-08 04:47:34 UTC 2018-05-09 01:55:24 UTC hello@padlet.com susannahhf https://padlet.com/mijahamizahxx/kab0kvlqmjjo/wish/259129124 mark decision should not be supported because this is life threatening to the patient. ]]> 2018-05-09 01:33:53 UTC https://padlet.com/mijahamizahxx/kab0kvlqmjjo/wish/259129124 mijahamizahxx https://padlet.com/mijahamizahxx/kab0kvlqmjjo/wish/259129132 Yes we are responsible for the patients' rights. But if we force the patient, we are harassing. We are going to court & get sued. 

]]> 2018-05-09 01:33:54 UTC https://padlet.com/mijahamizahxx/kab0kvlqmjjo/wish/259129132 susannahhf https://padlet.com/mijahamizahxx/kab0kvlqmjjo/wish/259129380 based on your theory, as a nurse you shld have your best interest. if patient has gangerene, you're going to let him die? 

]]> 2018-05-09 01:35:21 UTC https://padlet.com/mijahamizahxx/kab0kvlqmjjo/wish/259129380 susannahhf https://padlet.com/mijahamizahxx/kab0kvlqmjjo/wish/259129443 he already knows the consequences, so the hospital already did what they could like to let patient know about the consequences 

]]> 2018-05-09 01:35:51 UTC https://padlet.com/mijahamizahxx/kab0kvlqmjjo/wish/259129443 mijahamizahxx https://padlet.com/mijahamizahxx/kab0kvlqmjjo/wish/259129446 Not going to force the practice. Involve the whole healthcare team. consequences inform patient about risk of not going BKA. if patient still refuse, instead of forcing him, try to talk to him out. if talking doesn't help show him support groups, real life story]]> 2018-05-09 01:35:52 UTC https://padlet.com/mijahamizahxx/kab0kvlqmjjo/wish/259129446 mijahamizahxx https://padlet.com/mijahamizahxx/kab0kvlqmjjo/wish/259129738 But what if he goes for the amputation, what are the consequences he will also face? ]]> 2018-05-09 01:37:31 UTC https://padlet.com/mijahamizahxx/kab0kvlqmjjo/wish/259129738 susannahhf https://padlet.com/mijahamizahxx/kab0kvlqmjjo/wish/259129799 we should be truthful to everybody. 
he do not want to go for surgery and we ruled out everything. he has balanced out both of the risk of going into surgery and not going for surgery 

]]> 2018-05-09 01:37:52 UTC https://padlet.com/mijahamizahxx/kab0kvlqmjjo/wish/259129799 mijahamizahxx https://padlet.com/mijahamizahxx/kab0kvlqmjjo/wish/259129914 He knows the risk of gg for amputation. So he balances it out. ]]> 2018-05-09 01:38:45 UTC https://padlet.com/mijahamizahxx/kab0kvlqmjjo/wish/259129914 susannahhf https://padlet.com/mijahamizahxx/kab0kvlqmjjo/wish/259129962 not doing anything is also a nurse negligant 


]]> 2018-05-09 01:39:02 UTC https://padlet.com/mijahamizahxx/kab0kvlqmjjo/wish/259129962 mijahamizahxx https://padlet.com/mijahamizahxx/kab0kvlqmjjo/wish/259130067 It is a basic human right to choose yes or no. ]]> 2018-05-09 01:39:42 UTC https://padlet.com/mijahamizahxx/kab0kvlqmjjo/wish/259130067 susannahhf https://padlet.com/mijahamizahxx/kab0kvlqmjjo/wish/259130083 he was only told about the consequences and not the benfitsof getting leg amputated. he can get aid from government. ]]> 2018-05-09 01:39:46 UTC https://padlet.com/mijahamizahxx/kab0kvlqmjjo/wish/259130083 mijahamizahxx https://padlet.com/mijahamizahxx/kab0kvlqmjjo/wish/259130246 If I were to force you to go for amputation, would you like it? What if you are a public person? Not a nurse. ]]> 2018-05-09 01:40:43 UTC https://padlet.com/mijahamizahxx/kab0kvlqmjjo/wish/259130246 susannahhf https://padlet.com/mijahamizahxx/kab0kvlqmjjo/wish/259130320 if pt comes in with a very bad gangrene and has sepsis, dr have the right to sign the consent form (consultant and above) to do the amputation. it is saving the pt's life. ]]> 2018-05-09 01:41:21 UTC https://padlet.com/mijahamizahxx/kab0kvlqmjjo/wish/259130320 mijahamizahxx https://padlet.com/mijahamizahxx/kab0kvlqmjjo/wish/259130445 at the same time look at the bigger picture, they can give help after surgery. he is staying alone, he works everyday son 18 years old, maybe he has future financial plans. how much can the government help?]]> 2018-05-09 01:42:14 UTC https://padlet.com/mijahamizahxx/kab0kvlqmjjo/wish/259130445 susannahhf https://padlet.com/mijahamizahxx/kab0kvlqmjjo/wish/259130619 it is BKA, there is prosthetics. it is not a hand amputation. he can still work at a hawker centre and government will help him 

]]> 2018-05-09 01:43:23 UTC https://padlet.com/mijahamizahxx/kab0kvlqmjjo/wish/259130619 mijahamizahxx https://padlet.com/mijahamizahxx/kab0kvlqmjjo/wish/259130633 But do you think prosthetic will help the patient? Because of that prosthetic leg it is causing more pain and gangrene. Causes more amputation. Prosthetic never fit properly. ]]> 2018-05-09 01:43:26 UTC https://padlet.com/mijahamizahxx/kab0kvlqmjjo/wish/259130633 susannahhf https://padlet.com/mijahamizahxx/kab0kvlqmjjo/wish/259130675 in sg, our governtment is very helpful in helping people in need

]]> 2018-05-09 01:43:42 UTC https://padlet.com/mijahamizahxx/kab0kvlqmjjo/wish/259130675 susannahhf https://padlet.com/mijahamizahxx/kab0kvlqmjjo/wish/259130818 we are focusing on the gangrene below the knee. and if he continues the lifestyle that he is living after the surgery and prosthetics, that is his problem. we are focusing and prioritizing what is the problem right now 

]]> 2018-05-09 01:44:35 UTC https://padlet.com/mijahamizahxx/kab0kvlqmjjo/wish/259130818 mijahamizahxx https://padlet.com/mijahamizahxx/kab0kvlqmjjo/wish/259131025 we feel that we should not proceed if patient does not give consent. going agaisnt nurses pledge. disrepecting patients value, rights. we can explore more options. has the mental capacity. try to get the patient on board to agree with us. ]]> 2018-05-09 01:45:52 UTC https://padlet.com/mijahamizahxx/kab0kvlqmjjo/wish/259131025 susannahhf https://padlet.com/mijahamizahxx/kab0kvlqmjjo/wish/259131127 under non maleficent, do no harm to patient. not doing anything is harming the patient. ]]> 2018-05-09 01:46:27 UTC https://padlet.com/mijahamizahxx/kab0kvlqmjjo/wish/259131127 susannahhf https://padlet.com/mijahamizahxx/kab0kvlqmjjo/wish/259131205 under ethnic pronciple, it means to do no harm. we are not forcing him to go surgery]]> 2018-05-09 01:46:59 UTC https://padlet.com/mijahamizahxx/kab0kvlqmjjo/wish/259131205 mijahamizahxx https://padlet.com/mijahamizahxx/kab0kvlqmjjo/wish/259131293 Case study shows no more option. ]]> 2018-05-09 01:47:41 UTC https://padlet.com/mijahamizahxx/kab0kvlqmjjo/wish/259131293 susannahhf https://padlet.com/mijahamizahxx/kab0kvlqmjjo/wish/259131314 if you want to explore more option, you're wasting the pt's time and worsening the gangrene

]]> 2018-05-09 01:47:51 UTC https://padlet.com/mijahamizahxx/kab0kvlqmjjo/wish/259131314 mijahamizahxx https://padlet.com/mijahamizahxx/kab0kvlqmjjo/wish/259131375 We are not going to proceed until patients approval. We have to wait for next of kin to approve. We are  just persuading him. We support marks decision. we not forcing him but we persuade him again and again. any doubts he can share with us. as of now we are not doing anything, we dont have clearance. at the end of the day, we are going in the same way. we support because we respect patients right. ]]> 2018-05-09 01:48:17 UTC https://padlet.com/mijahamizahxx/kab0kvlqmjjo/wish/259131375 susannahhf https://padlet.com/mijahamizahxx/kab0kvlqmjjo/wish/259131524 we are persuading him to go surgery. were exploring options to persuade him to go surgery ]]> 2018-05-09 01:49:22 UTC https://padlet.com/mijahamizahxx/kab0kvlqmjjo/wish/259131524