https://padlet.com/lilybeth77/k2x2doi1w0icfm51 Describe what Joseph was referring to when he mentioned the idea of angels in his discussion with Reverend Ballou at the Christmas Eve service. Why is this an important moment for Joseph? en-us 2020-10-20 15:06:26 UTC 2025-10-03 00:06:13 UTC hello@padlet.com luis_santiago_escamilla https://padlet.com/lilybeth77/k2x2doi1w0icfm51/wish/845240624 Joseph deal with angels is really big becauyse he thinks that angels dont help or dont exist, and that is not fair that 2 other people more less of his age of a story were parents and became parents at a young age, and Joseph couldnt be a parent with Maddie, and their daugther was separted from them.So I believe Joseph has a big deal with angels because he hasnt have big miracles from angels.]]> 2020-10-20 15:13:57 UTC https://padlet.com/lilybeth77/k2x2doi1w0icfm51/wish/845240624 novoa_de https://padlet.com/lilybeth77/k2x2doi1w0icfm51/wish/845242665 When Joseph talked about angels in his discussion with Reverend Ballou I think he was referring to Maddies death and all the bad things that had happend to him . This moment is important for Joseph because he thinks that angels dont exist or help him and he thinks that angels should have been there to save maddie but the Reverend told him that angels arent there to stop bad things they are their to be with you when bad things happen. I think this is important because it might change Joseph perspective on angels. ]]> 2020-10-20 15:14:21 UTC https://padlet.com/lilybeth77/k2x2doi1w0icfm51/wish/845242665 franchesca_torres https://padlet.com/lilybeth77/k2x2doi1w0icfm51/wish/845245013 Revered Ballou talked about how angels make bad times go away, so Joseph was confused on why these "angels" didn't helped him and Madeline when they were separated. So he didn't believed that angels and the story was true because when he was hurt, none of the "angels" helped him. So they explained him that they helped people go through their hardest time but they couldn't dissapear the problem the person was going through.]]> 2020-10-20 15:14:50 UTC https://padlet.com/lilybeth77/k2x2doi1w0icfm51/wish/845245013 valentina_ortiz https://padlet.com/lilybeth77/k2x2doi1w0icfm51/wish/845251323 The thing Joseph was referring to when he mentioned the idea of angels was that how can that story be true if that happened the same to him but no angel helped him. This is a very important moment for Joseph because it shows how he is hurt that his story did not go that way and also it shows how he is mad that he does not have his daughter or his girlfriend.]]> 2020-10-20 15:16:05 UTC https://padlet.com/lilybeth77/k2x2doi1w0icfm51/wish/845251323 natalia_moreno3 https://padlet.com/lilybeth77/k2x2doi1w0icfm51/wish/845251627 Joseph talks about angels since he believes that angels solve problems. He believes angels should be there when bad things happen to help him with his problems. But then he says how angels were not there when all the difficult and complicated things happen between Maddy, Joseph and Jupiter. So that may him that that angels do not exist since they didn't help him.]]> 2020-10-20 15:16:09 UTC https://padlet.com/lilybeth77/k2x2doi1w0icfm51/wish/845251627 isabella_valdes https://padlet.com/lilybeth77/k2x2doi1w0icfm51/wish/845252396 Joseph believes that angles should solve all problems, and that if they were really hear bad things would not happen. However, they made Joseph see that angles are supposed to be there when those bad things do happen. Then Joseph continued to say that the angles were not there when Maddy died. He gets upset when he thinks about all he didn't get to have, and all that got taken away from him.

]]> 2020-10-20 15:16:18 UTC https://padlet.com/lilybeth77/k2x2doi1w0icfm51/wish/845252396 ruben_garcia7 https://padlet.com/lilybeth77/k2x2doi1w0icfm51/wish/845261803 When Joseph talked about angels in his discussion with Reverend Ballou he mentioned that angels does not exist and they are not useful for nothing because they have never help them in something .As well i think he refer to this because since the start of the story all the experiences from joseph are not the best as well i think that since Maddie death no angel has help him making him think that in reality angels are not real.]]> 2020-10-20 15:18:13 UTC https://padlet.com/lilybeth77/k2x2doi1w0icfm51/wish/845261803 danielatenorio https://padlet.com/lilybeth77/k2x2doi1w0icfm51/wish/845272113 I think that angels are a bid deal to joseph becasue Joseph thinks that angels are not real and he also does not believe in miracels wich is something that a lot of people like about christamas eve. He has beeen through a lot of things so its hard to beleive on them and the mirackes. This is an important moment for joseph becasue he has already lost maddie and has a lot of pain so what he said in the christmas eve service really had to do a lot with his personal feelings. ]]> 2020-10-20 15:20:16 UTC https://padlet.com/lilybeth77/k2x2doi1w0icfm51/wish/845272113 susanavelazquez https://padlet.com/lilybeth77/k2x2doi1w0icfm51/wish/845274610 Joseph said that if angels were real then we should not have problems. This is a way of questioning religion and looking at the concept of idealism. This can be seen as a sign of desperation in which he realized how bad his life actually is. I think this is a very important because it expreses that it is hard to believe in miracles when he has had a rough life and it shows how he is question something that has a major impact in society like religion.]]> 2020-10-20 15:20:47 UTC https://padlet.com/lilybeth77/k2x2doi1w0icfm51/wish/845274610 valentinahernandez1 https://padlet.com/lilybeth77/k2x2doi1w0icfm51/wish/845276032 he meant that if angels are supposed to be with you through hard time then how come they weren't there when maddie died or when they took jupiter or when he got beat up. ]]> 2020-10-20 15:21:04 UTC https://padlet.com/lilybeth77/k2x2doi1w0icfm51/wish/845276032 jesus_villarreal1 https://padlet.com/lilybeth77/k2x2doi1w0icfm51/wish/845276511 It is an important moment for joseph because he is really curious about that. He is really curious because the church says theyre good and they eliminate evil but he says that he doesn't believe they are real because there is still evil and bad people in the world. This was an important moment for Joseph.]]> 2020-10-20 15:21:11 UTC https://padlet.com/lilybeth77/k2x2doi1w0icfm51/wish/845276511 roberta_cordova https://padlet.com/lilybeth77/k2x2doi1w0icfm51/wish/845277532 I think talking about angels is and important moment to Joseph because he does not believe in angels because it did not helped him with maddie or jupiter. ]]> 2020-10-20 15:21:24 UTC https://padlet.com/lilybeth77/k2x2doi1w0icfm51/wish/845277532 marianapapacostas https://padlet.com/lilybeth77/k2x2doi1w0icfm51/wish/845277961 Chapter 5 :
I think Joseph when he was refering to when he mentioned the idea of angels in his discussion with with Reverend Ballou at the christmas Eve service , is that the angels bring peace , and happines and solve everything and that If thgey were really there bad things wouldnt happen .]]> 2020-10-20 15:21:29 UTC https://padlet.com/lilybeth77/k2x2doi1w0icfm51/wish/845277961 fernanda_torre https://padlet.com/lilybeth77/k2x2doi1w0icfm51/wish/845278102 joseph believes that angels do not exist nor help people, he has past through many bad things though his life and he stopped believing in angels.]]> 2020-10-20 15:21:31 UTC https://padlet.com/lilybeth77/k2x2doi1w0icfm51/wish/845278102 yujin_cho https://padlet.com/lilybeth77/k2x2doi1w0icfm51/wish/845281791 When joseph mentioned the idea of angels and the idea of "angles help you when bad things happen" Joseph strongly disagreed and got 🤬 off because he asked where the heck were they when he needed them most like when maddie passed]]> 2020-10-20 15:22:13 UTC https://padlet.com/lilybeth77/k2x2doi1w0icfm51/wish/845281791 30072416 https://padlet.com/lilybeth77/k2x2doi1w0icfm51/wish/845281915 Joseph says that angels don't exist or they aren't there when you need them, like when you are going though a hard time, in his case Maddie's death. 
He says that if angels really existed bad things wouldn't happen as they do. ]]> 2020-10-20 15:22:15 UTC https://padlet.com/lilybeth77/k2x2doi1w0icfm51/wish/845281915 valeria_serrano1 https://padlet.com/lilybeth77/k2x2doi1w0icfm51/wish/845282347 joseph says that angels need to solve your problems but what they really do is be with you when you are having a bad time.]]> 2020-10-20 15:22:20 UTC https://padlet.com/lilybeth77/k2x2doi1w0icfm51/wish/845282347 damian_jang https://padlet.com/lilybeth77/k2x2doi1w0icfm51/wish/845282791 When he mentioned the angels, I think Joseph referred to Maddie's death and I think he believed that if there were angels, then he should not have experienced bad situations like the separation of Jupiter and Maddie's death. This is a importatnt moment for Joseph because it makes him question about his believes.]]> 2020-10-20 15:22:25 UTC https://padlet.com/lilybeth77/k2x2doi1w0icfm51/wish/845282791 santiago_dobarganes https://padlet.com/lilybeth77/k2x2doi1w0icfm51/wish/845288265 the angles are very important because joseph doesnt believe in angles because they never helped him .]]> 2020-10-20 15:23:33 UTC https://padlet.com/lilybeth77/k2x2doi1w0icfm51/wish/845288265 andreschaparro https://padlet.com/lilybeth77/k2x2doi1w0icfm51/wish/845288864 I think it is a big thing when joseph mentions angels in the discussion with reverend ballou because he dosent believe in them or anything related to angels, like miracles, and it is quite understandable why he dosent believe in them after what he has been through.]]> 2020-10-20 15:23:39 UTC https://padlet.com/lilybeth77/k2x2doi1w0icfm51/wish/845288864 10112917 https://padlet.com/lilybeth77/k2x2doi1w0icfm51/wish/845289878 When Joseph mentioned the angels at christmas eve, someone said that "angels help you when bad things happen". and Joseph does not has faith because he is separated with Maddie.]]> 2020-10-20 15:23:52 UTC https://padlet.com/lilybeth77/k2x2doi1w0icfm51/wish/845289878 fernandoordonez1 https://padlet.com/lilybeth77/k2x2doi1w0icfm51/wish/845294964 In my opinion is a big things when Joseph mentioned the angels because he doesnt believe in them but maybe the only angel that exists for him is maddie.]]> 2020-10-20 15:24:52 UTC https://padlet.com/lilybeth77/k2x2doi1w0icfm51/wish/845294964 patriciosanchezberentsen https://padlet.com/lilybeth77/k2x2doi1w0icfm51/wish/845297509 Joseph says that angles and the idea of angels dont exist and that they make bad things and Joseph says that they mad possible the death of Maddie. But I think that he thinks that because he meet them in the most unfortunate time.]]> 2020-10-20 15:25:24 UTC https://padlet.com/lilybeth77/k2x2doi1w0icfm51/wish/845297509 renatasanchez https://padlet.com/lilybeth77/k2x2doi1w0icfm51/wish/845298740 the way that Joseph refers to angels and blames them for Madeline's death and that angels didn't keep her alive. he also blames angles for the bad things that happen to him instead of thinking that they help him in the good things.]]> 2020-10-20 15:25:38 UTC https://padlet.com/lilybeth77/k2x2doi1w0icfm51/wish/845298740