P.1 G1/2/3 Final JLC Digital Discussion by Katherine Griffith https://padlet.com/katherine_griffith/period1groups123 Use the rubric to guide your participation in the discussion. Consider using elevated language, proper grammar, and mechanics. en-us 2017-10-27 13:48:41 UTC 2017-10-27 15:14:20 UTC hello@padlet.com https://padlet-assets.s3.amazonaws.com/icons/Thunder.png Hello my wonderful peers ssimok https://padlet.com/katherine_griffith/period1groups123/wish/201223847 I feel that tan depicts women as strong strong beings hidden behind what is expected of them in Chinese Culture. ]]> 2017-10-27 14:45:38 UTC https://padlet.com/katherine_griffith/period1groups123/wish/201223847 Hello! jaquino4 https://padlet.com/katherine_griffith/period1groups123/wish/201223851 2017-10-27 14:45:39 UTC https://padlet.com/katherine_griffith/period1groups123/wish/201223851 Ciao! Tarron Hirn thirn https://padlet.com/katherine_griffith/period1groups123/wish/201224003 I feel that Amy Tan depicts women as strong because they have to be very formal and cultural with whatever they are doing. ]]> 2017-10-27 14:45:54 UTC https://padlet.com/katherine_griffith/period1groups123/wish/201224003 Hello friends Tyler Basile tbasile1 https://padlet.com/katherine_griffith/period1groups123/wish/201224071 I agree with you Sammy, I feel that the women in this book are very cultural with their decisions and actions. ]]> 2017-10-27 14:46:03 UTC https://padlet.com/katherine_griffith/period1groups123/wish/201224071 I feel that the book accurately depicts men when the mother's were at a younger age- Jazzy jaquino4 https://padlet.com/katherine_griffith/period1groups123/wish/201224201 For example, when Lindo Jong had to marry  Tyan-yu and be an obedient wife.  Tyan's mother, Taitai said on page 57, “‘Bad wife!’ she cried. ‘If you refuse to sleep with my son, I refuse to feed or clothe you.’ So that’s how I knew what my husband had said to avoid his mother’s anger. I was boiling with anger, but I said nothing, remembering my promise to my parents to be an obedient wife.” This shows that men had a more prominent voice over women.
 ]]> 2017-10-27 14:46:17 UTC https://padlet.com/katherine_griffith/period1groups123/wish/201224201 Hi my name is chris :((( ccastrence https://padlet.com/katherine_griffith/period1groups123/wish/201224235 I feel like men in the book are portrayed as bad people especially when Ted talks to Rose. Their relationship is mostly controlled by the man, Ted. He asked for a divorce while he was in LA. This clearly shows that Tan is trying to portray men as bad people.]]> 2017-10-27 14:46:21 UTC https://padlet.com/katherine_griffith/period1groups123/wish/201224235 Hello elecourt https://padlet.com/katherine_griffith/period1groups123/wish/201224251 In the book the men were depicted as being the more dominant ones in the relationship and giving more authority. They'd constantly be telling the women what to do in a sense and always being the one telling the other what to do. Like on  Page 57 when it states,  “ Bad wife he cried. If you refuse to sleep with my son, i refuse to feed or clothe you." Here you can see how the male is telling his wife that she has to do that task or pay the consequence. This makes the wife appear weaker which is how the women are portrayed here.]]> 2017-10-27 14:46:23 UTC https://padlet.com/katherine_griffith/period1groups123/wish/201224251 I feel that in The Joy Luck Club, men were depicted as the authority figures and the more aggressive people in this story. In Page 108, it states states, “Don’t look at her. She met a bad man, she had a baby she didn’t want.” cestrada10 https://padlet.com/katherine_griffith/period1groups123/wish/201224391 2017-10-27 14:46:37 UTC https://padlet.com/katherine_griffith/period1groups123/wish/201224391 In the book, Joy Luck Club it said " I knew what type of husband he would be, because he made special efforts to make me cry." Tan is somewhat fair because back then, China was a patriarchal society so women had to take orders from a men in the household. In one of my classes i learned how China was patriarchal, and if a wife did not have a father or husband she had to take orders from her son. ykim41 https://padlet.com/katherine_griffith/period1groups123/wish/201224501 2017-10-27 14:46:48 UTC https://padlet.com/katherine_griffith/period1groups123/wish/201224501 ssimok https://padlet.com/katherine_griffith/period1groups123/wish/201224978 Do you think that you would see the men differently if we saw their point of view and their intentions? Remember, we are only seeing the women's perception of the stories.]]> 2017-10-27 14:47:53 UTC https://padlet.com/katherine_griffith/period1groups123/wish/201224978 In the book, I believe that men were depicted as the people that were usually in charge of money and finances. In the book, it states, "so really we're equals, except that Harold makes about seven times more than what I make” (Lena st. Clair) layala7 https://padlet.com/katherine_griffith/period1groups123/wish/201225098 2017-10-27 14:48:09 UTC https://padlet.com/katherine_griffith/period1groups123/wish/201225098 For the mothers, when they first got married many of them had to housework while the men went to go work. cgonzalez82 https://padlet.com/katherine_griffith/period1groups123/wish/201225444  For example in chapter three, The Red candle, it says how at a young age Lindo Jong had to learn how to cook, clean, and many more things to honor her parents even though she was living a miserable life ]]> 2017-10-27 14:48:45 UTC https://padlet.com/katherine_griffith/period1groups123/wish/201225444 jaquino4 https://padlet.com/katherine_griffith/period1groups123/wish/201225715 I feel it would be a little different because we would be able to read how the men felt. Maybe Rose's husband had the right intentions when they married and he still cared about her when they divirced, but from Rose's view she made him seem like this evil man.

]]> 2017-10-27 14:49:18 UTC https://padlet.com/katherine_griffith/period1groups123/wish/201225715 Tarron Hirn thirn https://padlet.com/katherine_griffith/period1groups123/wish/201225868 Men in this book were depicted as authoritative figures. For example, Ted and Rose, in this relationship Ted made all of the decisions. She does this to show that men are bad or evil.]]> 2017-10-27 14:49:38 UTC https://padlet.com/katherine_griffith/period1groups123/wish/201225868 cgonzalez82 https://padlet.com/katherine_griffith/period1groups123/wish/201226096 I agree with that person (sorry I don't know who you are) because there is always two sides in a story so there could be much more we don't know about their point of view. ]]> 2017-10-27 14:50:05 UTC https://padlet.com/katherine_griffith/period1groups123/wish/201226096 Powerful Women !! ssimok https://padlet.com/katherine_griffith/period1groups123/wish/201226115 You can just how strong minded the women are as seen on P. 219 with Rose and Ted in the garden. Rose goes on by explaining how she wanted to keep the house but wanted to divorce Ted. Ted exclaims that she can't just walk out like that.  Rose goes off and states, “I said what I wanted: His eyes, confused, then scared. He was hulihudu. The power of my words was that strong” ]]> 2017-10-27 14:50:07 UTC https://padlet.com/katherine_griffith/period1groups123/wish/201226115 Hi peers! :) ccastrence https://padlet.com/katherine_griffith/period1groups123/wish/201226120 I feel like women in the book are portrayed as obedient women because they often rely on culture to make their decisions.]]> 2017-10-27 14:50:08 UTC https://padlet.com/katherine_griffith/period1groups123/wish/201226120 I agree with you Jazzy, I think the tbasile1 https://padlet.com/katherine_griffith/period1groups123/wish/201226147 men are more dominant in their societal roles, but I think it is mostly due to the cultural aspect of that time period in China where, in the first chapter with Lindo Jong, men are naturally more dominant. ]]> 2017-10-27 14:50:12 UTC https://padlet.com/katherine_griffith/period1groups123/wish/201226147 I agree with you guys because the book is only showing how women feel. There is a chapter where Tyan Yu is depicted as this really mean husband because he enjoys making his wife suffer, but maybe Tyan Yu had his own reasons. ykim41 https://padlet.com/katherine_griffith/period1groups123/wish/201226334 2017-10-27 14:50:35 UTC https://padlet.com/katherine_griffith/period1groups123/wish/201226334 jaquino4 https://padlet.com/katherine_griffith/period1groups123/wish/201226889 I definitely agree because I had a similar comment when the men were presented as more dominent.

]]> 2017-10-27 14:51:50 UTC https://padlet.com/katherine_griffith/period1groups123/wish/201226889 I agree with everyone here because it would be a lot different to see the male perspective and see their thoughts and what they think is wrong or right. ccastrence https://padlet.com/katherine_griffith/period1groups123/wish/201227329 2017-10-27 14:52:38 UTC https://padlet.com/katherine_griffith/period1groups123/wish/201227329 I definitely agree with all of you and the idea of not showing both genders clearly. tbasile1 https://padlet.com/katherine_griffith/period1groups123/wish/201227409 In the book the most we hear about males is when they pull out "Pall Mall cigarettes," in the first chapter on page 21. We here about them some other times such as when Uncle Tin starts to joke about Waverly marrying "Rich," but both of these times the men are just used to give affect of background events to the story and not as actual in-depth characters. ]]> 2017-10-27 14:52:47 UTC https://padlet.com/katherine_griffith/period1groups123/wish/201227409 jaquino4 https://padlet.com/katherine_griffith/period1groups123/wish/201227745 I believe the book depicts wome, as you all are saying, as obedient. One thing that really stood out though is at one point in every one of the women's life, they had a strong moment of being independent.

]]> 2017-10-27 14:53:25 UTC https://padlet.com/katherine_griffith/period1groups123/wish/201227745 Tarron Hirn thirn https://padlet.com/katherine_griffith/period1groups123/wish/201227940 I feel Tan was very accurate with the gender roles in this book because the men in this book were perceived as more dominant.]]> 2017-10-27 14:53:53 UTC https://padlet.com/katherine_griffith/period1groups123/wish/201227940 I believe Tan depicts women as the ones who must obey society and be well-kept, proper women and they must follow the cultural ways of their modern society. cestrada10 https://padlet.com/katherine_griffith/period1groups123/wish/201228294 2017-10-27 14:54:42 UTC https://padlet.com/katherine_griffith/period1groups123/wish/201228294 I agree with you all- Jazzy jaquino4 https://padlet.com/katherine_griffith/period1groups123/wish/201228394 Another example is when Lindo Jong decided to blow her own candle that wished her a happy marriage. She didn't wait, she took action because she didn't want to be in the relationship.

]]> 2017-10-27 14:54:56 UTC https://padlet.com/katherine_griffith/period1groups123/wish/201228394 I also agree that men are more dominant in this book because in Half and Half by Rose Hsu Jordan, Ted (The male) says, “ ‘How the hell did we ever get married’ “ (Tan 127)" This shows how women are treated by men in this book. ccastrence https://padlet.com/katherine_griffith/period1groups123/wish/201228486 2017-10-27 14:55:09 UTC https://padlet.com/katherine_griffith/period1groups123/wish/201228486 nbutler6 https://padlet.com/katherine_griffith/period1groups123/wish/201228679 I feel like men were depicted as superior and dominant
. For example, Ying Ying did whatever her second husband Clifford said to do, and he even changed her name and birthdate to Betty and 1916]]> 2017-10-27 14:55:37 UTC https://padlet.com/katherine_griffith/period1groups123/wish/201228679 I feel like the women in the book were made to be obedient and listen to the male. cgonzalez82 https://padlet.com/katherine_griffith/period1groups123/wish/201228907 2017-10-27 14:56:04 UTC https://padlet.com/katherine_griffith/period1groups123/wish/201228907 In the book, it said “But even if i had known i was getting such a bad husband, i had no choice, now or later.” This showed that men were superior with all the choices while women were inferior. ykim41 https://padlet.com/katherine_griffith/period1groups123/wish/201229581 2017-10-27 14:57:35 UTC https://padlet.com/katherine_griffith/period1groups123/wish/201229581 Tyler Basile tbasile1 https://padlet.com/katherine_griffith/period1groups123/wish/201230579 What do you think, Cesar, about the ideas of these gender roles being depicted with accuracy and fairness?]]> 2017-10-27 14:59:47 UTC https://padlet.com/katherine_griffith/period1groups123/wish/201230579 Do you think there were missed opportunities when the women could've been more independent and stand apart from the men? jaquino4 https://padlet.com/katherine_griffith/period1groups123/wish/201230984 2017-10-27 15:00:40 UTC https://padlet.com/katherine_griffith/period1groups123/wish/201230984 What about you Sammy what do you think about men and how they're portrayed. ccastrence https://padlet.com/katherine_griffith/period1groups123/wish/201232108 2017-10-27 15:03:03 UTC https://padlet.com/katherine_griffith/period1groups123/wish/201232108 Question tbasile1 https://padlet.com/katherine_griffith/period1groups123/wish/201232232 Do you guys think that the gender roles, especially those of women, are based on Chinese history and/or the time period they were depicted in?]]> 2017-10-27 15:03:18 UTC https://padlet.com/katherine_griffith/period1groups123/wish/201232232 nbutler6 https://padlet.com/katherine_griffith/period1groups123/wish/201233282 I agree that women were depicted as obedient, especially the mothers, because they were all promised to be someone's wife and acted as obedient Chinese wives were encouraged to be, but they all had their moment that they did something independent like when Lindo decided to ruin the marriage that she was unhappy in.]]> 2017-10-27 15:05:29 UTC https://padlet.com/katherine_griffith/period1groups123/wish/201233282 I agree with Tarron elecourt https://padlet.com/katherine_griffith/period1groups123/wish/201234895 the men were portrayed as more dominant so Tans depict of gender was very accurate.]]> 2017-10-27 15:08:42 UTC https://padlet.com/katherine_griffith/period1groups123/wish/201234895 jaquino4 https://padlet.com/katherine_griffith/period1groups123/wish/201235661 Another example of the  An-mei was taught to  desire nothing, to swallow other people’s misery, to eat her own bitterness. ]]> 2017-10-27 15:10:17 UTC https://padlet.com/katherine_griffith/period1groups123/wish/201235661 Question acarreon5 https://padlet.com/katherine_griffith/period1groups123/wish/201235671 Other than men and women in general, how do you think the book depicts, specifically, the mothers?]]> 2017-10-27 15:10:18 UTC https://padlet.com/katherine_griffith/period1groups123/wish/201235671 nbutler6 https://padlet.com/katherine_griffith/period1groups123/wish/201236642 Do you think that the women's marriages played an important role in how they ended up in their current situation or how they act today?]]> 2017-10-27 15:12:11 UTC https://padlet.com/katherine_griffith/period1groups123/wish/201236642 Why didn't women have as many choices/rights compared to men? ykim41 https://padlet.com/katherine_griffith/period1groups123/wish/201236925 2017-10-27 15:12:48 UTC https://padlet.com/katherine_griffith/period1groups123/wish/201236925 Why do you guys think Amy Tan wrote this book and how does it show chinese history? ccastrence https://padlet.com/katherine_griffith/period1groups123/wish/201237207 2017-10-27 15:13:29 UTC https://padlet.com/katherine_griffith/period1groups123/wish/201237207