P5 "Goblin Market pt 1" discussion Padlet by Sandra Snider

hlarson13_1 — 2023-11-04 20:46:23 UTC

The author's choice of diction is important on the last page as she changes "like two pigeons in one nest" to "lock'd together in one nest." This is important in conveying the need for safety at night, indicating that the two girls can't just protect one another but rather need to be locked in at night.

hlarson13_1 — 2023-11-04 20:47:07 UTC

What happened to Lizzie that made her so aware of the horrors of the goblins that Laura was oblivious to?

hlarson13_1 — 2023-11-04 20:50:36 UTC

Is the person receiving the "bait" in part responsible for what happens to them as a result? (Who is to blame: the naive or the sly)

Nicholas Oseguera

2023-11-05 00:48:00 UTC

The goblins worked to symbolize the garden of eden and the forbidden fruit. In the story of Adam and Eve they are tempted to eat the forbidden fruit by the serpent, which leads to their expulsion from paradise. Like Adam and Eve, Laura and Lizzie are tempted to eat the forbidden fruit by the sweet and alluring nature it carries with it. And such Laura falls to the temptation of the fruit, and has to now forever search for the goblins until her dying days.

Nicholas Oseguera

2023-11-05 00:54:57 UTC

The goblins represent the desire towards things that are particularly taboo. The relationship between Laura and the goblins can be interpreted as the internal struggle people have with their own desires and the consequences we experience when we succumb to them.

Nicholas Oseguera

2023-11-05 00:57:26 UTC

The goblins instead of asking for anything of monetary value, ask for a piece of her hair. How does the giving of her hair represent that Laura was giving up more than she bargained?

2023-11-05 03:42:31 UTC

The author's representation of Laura and Lizzie in the market shows the gender stereotypes that women were taught to resist their temptations towards men.

sydney friesen

2023-11-05 03:47:12 UTC

When Laura takes the fruit from the "goblin men" it represents a biblical reference to the story of Adam and Eve. Laura is told to resist the fruit and temptations shown by the fruit. Laura takes the fruit and gives her golden locks in return. This represents the story of Adam and Eve as Eve gives into the temptatious fruit offered to her by the devil.

sydney friesen

2023-11-05 03:53:59 UTC

Why are the "voice of doves" important as it addresses Laura's experience with the "goblin men" and how does it pertain to the gender roles of this time period presented?

sydney friesen

Significance?

schinchiolo11 — 2023-11-05 20:19:54 UTC

What is the significance of Lauran aging and losing the ability to hear the goblins after she eats the fruit?

Differences Between Sisters

schinchiolo11 — 2023-11-05 20:25:56 UTC

What are the similarities between the two sisters and why does the author chose to highlight their comparisons frequently throughout the poem? Do they stay the same? If not, what creates this divide and how does it affect their characters?

Role of Women in the 1830s-1890s

schinchiolo11 — 2023-11-05 20:32:34 UTC

When a woman was described as 'fallen' it meant that she had lost her sexual purity. In the poem, after Laura eats the fruit from the goblins, she begins to fall, growing weak physically and mentally almost as a punishment for not remaining pure and innocent.

Kaylise Jones

2023-11-05 20:34:42 UTC

I think that the goblins represent sin, and the fruits represent temptation. When Laura surrenders a lock of her hair to purchase and consume the fruit, she is metaphorically giving up a part of herself in exchange for indulging in sinful behavior.

Kaylise Jones

2023-11-05 20:35:08 UTC

What is the significance of Lizzie and Laura's relationship?

Kaylise Jones

2023-11-05 20:35:52 UTC

How does Christina Rossetti display the dangers of giving into the temptation of sinful behaviors in her story, "Goblin Market"?

Melanie Koenig

2023-11-05 21:51:47 UTC

One of my best ideas about the poem so far is the significance of the forbidden fruit, a resemblance to a Victorian women's sexual desires and curiosities which were deeply frowned upon.

mkoenig35 — 2023-11-05 21:52:34 UTC

One of my best ideas about the poem so far is the significance of the forbidden fruit, a resemblance to a Victorian women's sexual desires and curiosities which were deeply frowned upon

Emmy Spaletta

2023-11-05 22:09:50 UTC

Why is Laura more attracted to the goblin men and not Lizzie?

Emmy Spaletta

2023-11-05 22:12:24 UTC

Lizzie seemed worried about Laura wandering off too much to the goblin men, but never kept her from them, only told her not to. Why didn't she take more action to protect her sister?

Emmy Spaletta

2023-11-05 22:15:52 UTC

Once Laura engages with the goblin men, they make her a crown and feed her the best fruit they have. This seems a lot like a monarch relationship between Laura and the goblin men.

mkoenig35 — 2023-11-05 22:23:36 UTC

What is the significance of this stanza, "Like two pigeons in one nest Folded in each other's wings, They lay down in their curtained bed..." (Rossetti p.2). Why does Rossetti use birds?

mkoenig35 — 2023-11-05 22:26:06 UTC

What choice would you have made when it came to eating or ignoring the persuasive forbidden fruit, and why?

Lauren Shinn

2023-11-06 00:11:52 UTC

The Goblins symbolize temptation and made Laura obsessed with their fruit then disappeared as soon as she gave in to them.

Lauren Shinn

2023-11-06 00:13:33 UTC

Did Laura and Jean die when they ate the fruit and couldn't get anymore of it? It seemed like they died, but they author didn't explicitly say it.

Lauren Shinn

2023-11-06 00:15:46 UTC

There seems to be a deeper meaning behind the relationship of the Goblins and their fruit to humans. The Goblins exist only when you haven't ate their fruit yet and they desperately beg for you to eat it, but as soon as you do they disappear and leave you empty handed and broken-hearted.

Taylor Sauseda

tsauseda1_1 — 2023-11-06 00:48:49 UTC

I think the goblins are looked at as a temptation or desire. Their cries attract the people around them, like Lizzie and Laura. Their chants of the fruits they sell attract Lizzie and Laura to try. Both of them know it is not a good idea to buy from them, but they do anyway. I think the Goblin men did something bad to Lizzie when she went to them for the second time.

Taylor Sauseda

tsauseda1_1 — 2023-11-06 00:51:52 UTC

What happened to Laura at the end of part one?

Taylor Sauseda

tsauseda1_1 — 2023-11-06 00:55:15 UTC

What is the significance of using metaphors relating to nature in the text?

Gina R 5th

2023-11-06 01:10:48 UTC

I believe that Laura is fearful and wants to be protected and doesn't to lose anything or anyone, representing innocence of a person. While Lizzie is fearless and wanting to see what's out their in the world, representing our curious side of a person.

Gina R 5th

2023-11-06 01:12:42 UTC

That Lizzie relationship curiosity about the merchants who are always saying "come buy, come buy, come buy" I feel shows the relationship not only between people but, ourselves always going back to something we shouldn't.

Gina R 5th

2023-11-06 01:15:14 UTC

What do the fruit truly represent and how to Lizzie and Laura different perspective show and how do they tie together?

2023-11-06 02:00:16 UTC

One of the main themes of the poem "Goblin Market" is temptation/sin.

-Wyatt Reynolds

zaitken1 — 2023-11-06 02:03:22 UTC

The poem "Goblin Market" shows the reader about men and women and their temptations for each other as can be seen through Laura falling for the Goblins. Laura represents the typical woman in the Victorian time period.

2023-11-06 02:03:34 UTC

Is the use of use of fruit throughout the poem supposed to be similar to the apple of Adam and Eve?

-Wyatt Reynolds

2023-11-06 02:04:58 UTC

Why are Goblins used as the people that create this temptation?

-Wyatt Reynolds

zaitken1 — 2023-11-06 02:06:21 UTC

What does all of the different fruit symbolize in the poem? What was Rossetti's purpose in adding all of the different varieties of fruits?

Niall Coyne

2023-11-06 02:09:37 UTC

I don't understand the meaning/symbol of the fruit. The sisters are tempted by the fruit but I don't understand the deeper meaning behind the Fruit. What does the fruit represent?

Niall Coyne

2023-11-06 02:13:37 UTC

The girls all know that the Goblins are no good, despite this, why do the girls feel tempted to eat the Goblin's fruit? What does the fruit provide to the girls and why is it so tempting to them?

Niall Coyne

2023-11-06 02:17:21 UTC

The goblins are described as animals in the text. "One had a cat's face, One whisk'd a tail, One tramp'd at a rat's pace, One crawl'd like a snail..." These descriptions of the characters show that the goblins are predators, like a cat.

Kiah Aitken

2023-11-06 03:46:16 UTC

What was the main point of adding the different fruit throughout the poem?

Kiah Aitken

2023-11-06 03:58:23 UTC

One of the main points of the poem is that it shows how the women fall for the Goblin and the temptations for one another.

kaiken12 — 2023-11-06 04:04:20 UTC

Throughout the poem the "Goblin Market" it shows how women tend to fall for men that are described as the Goblin. It gives the idea of desire between one another.

kaiken12 — 2023-11-06 04:23:01 UTC

There is a very complex relationship between Laura and Lizzie as they are very similar in their appearances but have one major difference them as Laura seems more curious in the fruits being sold and Lizzie is more cautious and holds back.

kcontreras216 — 2023-11-06 04:25:54 UTC

What does the relationship between Lizzie and Laura reveal about sisterhood and surrendering to temptation?

zaitken1 — 2023-11-06 04:26:32 UTC

Laura and Lizzie are both sisters that seem to be identical in their appearance are innocent girls but when it comes to their ideas they are the total opposite. Lizzie is someone that gives her all to protect Laura and is very cautious and Laura on the other hand is very curious and wants to fall for the goblins. She wants to have a relationship and is the one getting herself into trouble.

kcontreras216 — 2023-11-06 04:30:28 UTC

Laura's desire for the goblin fruit and her giving in to temptation can be seen as a representation of the pull of forbidden pleasures.

Ridge Rivera

2023-11-06 04:31:02 UTC

One of my best ideas about the poem thus far, is the under lying theme of lust/desire. I believe that the fruit and goblins can be symbolic of sexual desires for the growing women, which they are always told to avoid by their peers and those around them. However, Laura gives in to their persistent requests for her to "buy their fruit," (sexual intentions) and even ends up paying for it at the cost of her body (A piece of her hair). Additionally, in the past a women's hair was symbolic of womanhood and their character, as it was seen as a valuable and prized possession among women.

kcontreras216 — 2023-11-06 04:33:25 UTC

Rossetti uses vivid language to describe the goblin fruit, the goblin men, and the sisters' reactions. How do these symbols contribute to the poem's overall meaning and message?

jdockery8 — 2023-11-06 04:33:41 UTC

What does Lizzie and Laura's complex relationship portray about sisterhood and the solution to the dangers of temptation?

jdockery8 — 2023-11-06 04:36:19 UTC

In what ways are is the goblin fruit significant in the poem and what do they symbolize in the poem?

Ridge Rivera

2023-11-06 04:36:44 UTC

Something that confuses me in the story, is the current situation between Larua and Lizzie as well as their character differences because I feel like their connection is bogged down by the desires of Laura and the persistent calls from the goblins. However, the vibrant descriptions that the author attempts to create for readers, leads me to believe that they are opposites in one sense as Lizzie recognizes the disastrous troubles that her sister has gotten into. How does Laura and Lizzie's family relation amplify Lizzie's concern for her sister following her reckless actions?

kwarner117 — 2023-11-06 04:41:38 UTC

Laura turned herself into a commodity when she used a lock of her hair to get the fruit. By paying with a lock of her hair she assigned value to a piece of herself and opened to the idea that those pieces can be sold off in exchange for what she wants.

jdockery8 — 2023-11-06 04:47:04 UTC

An idea that I have gotten from reading this poem is how the main characters in a way represent temptation and resisting temptation. In a sense, Laura is easily "taken over" by temptation which shows the dangers of temptation, while Lizzie has a strong resistance to temptation and fights the urges caused by the temptations. Lizzie towards the end has to try to help her sister who has fallen easily to the goblins' temptation, showing a theme of sisters helping each other out, essentially sisterly love fighting off the temptation.

Hilda Herrera

2023-11-06 04:57:14 UTC

What is the significance behind the main character’s initial hesitance towards acknowledging the goblins?

"Then suck'd their fruit globes fair or red"

asamha2 — 2023-11-06 04:57:34 UTC

I thought that when Laurie ate the fruit out of temptation it mirrored Adam and Eves temptation in the garden of eden when Eve disobeyed GOD and let the devil tempt her and Adam to eat from the fruit from the tree as shown in the bible.

Ridge Rivera

2023-11-06 05:05:02 UTC

How does the author's usage of vivid and descriptive diction along with the goblin's appearance, actions, and consistent cries, form a symbolic view of temptation and desire?

kwarner117 — 2023-11-06 05:11:30 UTC

How does the author's use of repetition with the goblin's cries reflect the pulls of temptation and desire on the human psyche?

Reference to the Garden Of Eden

bsone1 — 2023-11-06 05:16:11 UTC

Despite being warned by her sister to not interact with the merchants, Laura gives in to the temptatious gifts offered by the merchants of the market. Her action alludes to the story of Adam and Eve, in which Eve gives into the temptation of eating from the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

Feminist Lens

asamha2 — 2023-11-06 05:21:55 UTC

How are the sisters experiences reflective of societal expectations for women?

kwarner117 — 2023-11-06 05:25:46 UTC

I am confused about why Lizzie runs away from the market leaving Laura behind. Lizzie stresses how bad it is to be there and that the gifts of the goblins would harm them, but she chooses to run without making sure her sister follows her. Why does she do this, because the story has to happen, or is there some meaning behind this?

Hailey Davis

hdavis3_ — 2023-11-06 05:27:41 UTC

Laura and Lizzie are young ladies expected to be proper. Laura begins to succumb to the temptations of gentlemen around her. Once she crosses the line of interacting with forbidden men she craves it and ultimately withers away as the men eventually moves on. It is unclear if this is sexual in nature or romantic flirtation.

Hailey Davis

hdavis3_ — 2023-11-06 05:30:23 UTC

What causes the young maidens in the story to weather away and become gray? Is it from a broken heart from lost love or from society ostracizing them?

Merchants of the Market

bsone1 — 2023-11-06 05:30:53 UTC

Each merchant of the market is represented by a certain animal such as a cat, a rat, a snail, a wombat, and a ratel. Do any of these animals represent any symbol or have any significance to the story?

Hailey Davis

hdavis3_ — 2023-11-06 05:32:55 UTC

What do the different kinds of fruits specifically represent? Are they different characteristics of men or specific men? How does this poem compare and contrast to the story of Adam and Eve in the Bible?

asamha2 — 2023-11-06 05:34:42 UTC

Goblin Market represents a clash of innocence and experience between Lizzie and Laura showing their struggle with temptation and can be seen as a commentary on the dangers and consequences of desire. The goblins in the story use fruit as their weapon to try and lure the sisters in to buy there fruit which shows how seeking forbidden desire can lead to a loss of innocence.

Comparison Between Lizzie and Laura

bsone1 — 2023-11-06 06:02:34 UTC

Both Lizzie and Laura seem to share a similar background as they are both sisters and work as maidens of the household. However, the main difference between the two is that Lizzie remains cautious of the dangers of the market and displays concern for Laura hoping the best for her well-being, whereas Laura is curious of the wares of the merchants and gives into temptation disregarding her sister's warnings.

Arshee Gill

2023-11-06 06:04:50 UTC

The weather in the poem sets the mood for what is going on in the story. Whenever Rossetti mentions the weather being cold, windy, or the sky being dark, she is usually talking about how the goblins are bad and that they should be ignored when trying to sell fruit. When she describes the weather being warm and it being sunny outside, she describes how Laura enjoys the fruit and doesn't believe that the goblins are bad. Bad weather sets a negative mood and good weather sets a positive mood.

Arshee Gill

2023-11-06 06:08:15 UTC

I wasn't sure what happened at the end of the poem. Did Lizzie die, did she enter a deep sleep, or did she turn into stone. The second to last paragraph was confusing, and I wasn't sure what was going on.

Arshee Gill

2023-11-06 06:19:34 UTC

The weather in the poem symbolizes the relationship between the goblins and the two sisters. The weather is described as being bad when Lizzie tells Laura not to associate herself with the goblins or even look at them. The weather is nice and pleasant when Laura is eating the fruit and enjoying herself.

Noah Silvia

2023-11-06 06:28:24 UTC

How does this poem relate to past short stories that we have read and what makes them so similar?

Samantha Gabriana

2023-11-06 06:32:17 UTC

We spoke about how religion played a role in the poem, but as reading it, I couldn't really pick out anything. So, what role does religion play to deepen the meaning of the poem?

sgabriana1_1 — 2023-11-06 06:33:27 UTC

We spoke about how religion played a role in the poem, but as reading it, I couldn't really pick out anything. So, what role does religion play to deepen the meaning of the poem?

sgabriana1_1 — 2023-11-06 06:37:31 UTC

Lizzie seems like the older and more responsible sister, while Laura seems like the younger sister who is a little more rebellious. She easily falls for the temptations of the "goblins" despite Lizzie's warnings. There also seems to be a complex relation between men and women, where goblins obviously represent men. Men are tempting to women and they try to lure women into eating their fruit, which likely connects to some sexual temptation.

Noah Silvia

2023-11-06 06:39:26 UTC

What is the significance of the goblins and what is so important about the "market" part of the title?

sgabriana1_1 — 2023-11-06 06:39:46 UTC

Gender Lens: Gender plays a huge role in the poem as the poem centers around the sexual temptations between men and women. There is also a part in the text that states, "Talk'd as modest maidens should," which relates to gender roles. Women are expected to be modest, but here they're breaking this value. Laura falls to the temptations of men, making her less modest, breaking traditional values.

Noah Silvia

2023-11-06 06:42:49 UTC

I think that the relationship that Lizzie and Laura have will grow stronger with time. I also think that it might blossom into something greater than just a sisterly relationship.

Aubrey Anderson

aanderson520 — 2023-11-06 06:59:26 UTC

What is the significance of the color gold in the poem?

aanderson520 — 2023-11-06 07:03:53 UTC

What exactly happened to Laura at the end of the poem?

aanderson520 — 2023-11-06 07:07:39 UTC

Lizzie and Laura are sisters who are faced with temptations from goblins which represent men, and although Lizzie warns Laura about the goblins and being out at night, Laura succumbs to their temptations.

cole cranford

2023-11-06 07:56:45 UTC

How does the historical context of which the story was written affect it's overall thematic ideas?

cole cranford

2023-11-06 07:58:00 UTC

What does the poem reveal about the family dynamics and relationship between Lizzie and Laura throughout the story?

cole cranford

2023-11-06 08:05:44 UTC

socio economic-What worldview does the text represent?

The text describes the Gobiln's pressure to sell the fruits and how they had exploited Laura which can show a bigger picture of the view and exploitation of women during this time.

Analiese

2023-11-06 16:37:41 UTC

Something that confused me in the poem was the fruit in the story. What does it mean and what are they describing?

Analiese

2023-11-06 16:40:10 UTC

I think that so far we are noticing that the goblins are a form of either the devil or men who are really bad and they are trying to do things that arent good so much as take peoples innocence away.

Analiese

2023-11-06 16:41:57 UTC

In the poem it seems to be what did the men portray and do you think the men portrayed the devil or goblin?

Alex Mendoza

2023-11-06 17:03:01 UTC

Something that still confuses me about the poem was how Laura's hair transformed from golden to grey?

Alex Mendoza

2023-11-06 17:07:03 UTC

I find it interesting how Lizzie nurtures Laura like her own mother, and is trying to save her from the dangers of the Goblin men. Nevertheless, their relationship is complex as the author presents them as sisters but may also be lovers.

Alex Mendoza

2023-11-06 17:16:41 UTC

How was the usage of the poem's rhymes and rhythm used to enhance the theme of the poem about women giving into men's sexual enticement?

Malia Uhrich

2023-11-06 17:17:59 UTC

I am confused who the man was that raped her, and which part of the story it happened.

Hilda Herrera

hherrera43 — 2023-11-06 20:41:07 UTC

Gender Lens: Do you think the two sisters represent any part of the female expectations society has? In what ways are the sisters doing what society expects of them?

Hilda Herrera

hherrera43 — 2023-11-06 20:43:04 UTC

The author uses a great deal of diction and syntax to help bring tension to the story, which adds to the overall meaning of the work as a whole. The themes of tension and suspense add to the storyline.

Malia Uhrich

2023-11-06 21:40:19 UTC

What does the goblin truly symbolize?

Malia Uhrich

2023-11-06 21:42:51 UTC

Gender Lens:

The role of women in the 1800s was crucial, and we see the sexual need from men, and that women didn't have much of a say. We can see that as Laura eats the fruit and falls into the need of the goblin.

fruit

kcortes116 — 2023-11-07 06:36:09 UTC

why are there so many fruit kinds and what do they symbolize ? do they just emphasize a certain theme of the story ?

the siblings

kcortes116 — 2023-11-07 06:42:17 UTC

I believe that both Laura and lizzie are on two opposite ends in terms of how they are represented. one give off more flirtatious vibes and seems curious while the other kind of nags at her sibling.it kind of reminds me of some biblical references as god states through numerous versus to resit the temptation Or be unsure in your thoughts and actions. some parts confuse me as they are similar objects just repetitive. this story seems like one big image of how women 'were' supposed to act like back in the day like the other short stories we've been reading. almost like traditional and progressive theme