Remake of Things Fall Apart Discussion P6 by Rebecca Tussey https://padlet.com/rtussey/TFAP6 Period 6. Add a new discussion thread or respond to someone else's en-us 2017-03-30 12:40:20 UTC 2017-05-16 15:07:10 UTC hello@padlet.com https://padlet-assets.s3.amazonaws.com/icons/Lightdecrease.png How does Okonkwo's reponse to the priestess' abduction of his daughter show a strain on his practice of the village customs? bjones2019 https://padlet.com/rtussey/TFAP6/wish/163796660 The title pretty much summarizes my question here. I'm looking for the relationship between Okonkwo and his insecurities as they relate to the village traditions (E. G. Religion, state vs. family, etc.)]]> 2017-03-30 18:19:12 UTC https://padlet.com/rtussey/TFAP6/wish/163796660 I was wondering why Okwonko went with the other men to kill Ikemefuna when he was told not to go? akoch2019 https://padlet.com/rtussey/TFAP6/wish/163797576 quote: "'Do not bear a hand in his death'" (Achebe 57).]]> 2017-03-30 18:22:01 UTC https://padlet.com/rtussey/TFAP6/wish/163797576 Do you think the customs of the treatment of children and women in Umuofia excuses Okonkwo temperament and attitude towards his family? cbargeron2019 https://padlet.com/rtussey/TFAP6/wish/163797772 2017-03-30 18:22:37 UTC https://padlet.com/rtussey/TFAP6/wish/163797772 Can the way women are treated in "Things Fall Apart" relate to modern day feminism? https://padlet.com/rtussey/TFAP6/wish/163797878 How can we connect these two?]]> 2017-03-30 18:22:57 UTC https://padlet.com/rtussey/TFAP6/wish/163797878 What metaphor do you think that the Tortoise story was trying to present? cthompson2019 https://padlet.com/rtussey/TFAP6/wish/163798079 2017-03-30 18:23:38 UTC https://padlet.com/rtussey/TFAP6/wish/163798079 Would Umofia benefit from intervention from developed countries to teach them about equality and advanced civilization? Or would foreign intervention lead to more injustice? kthompson2019 https://padlet.com/rtussey/TFAP6/wish/163799073 2017-03-30 18:26:58 UTC https://padlet.com/rtussey/TFAP6/wish/163799073 Relating to the evil spirit court situation, who do you think in the case is in the right/wrong? (the man with his wife or the wife's relatives?) akoch2019 https://padlet.com/rtussey/TFAP6/wish/163802354 2017-03-30 18:36:09 UTC https://padlet.com/rtussey/TFAP6/wish/163802354 Do you think the "single story" effect benefits/impacts their society in a good way or bad way? cthompson2019 https://padlet.com/rtussey/TFAP6/wish/163802560 2017-03-30 18:36:37 UTC https://padlet.com/rtussey/TFAP6/wish/163802560 Why does Okonkwo go with the men to kill Ikemefuna? jarmstrong2019 https://padlet.com/rtussey/TFAP6/wish/163804234 It was apparent the Okonkwo accepted Ikemefuna as part of the family, so why does he not object when it is decided to kill Ikemefuna?]]> 2017-03-30 18:43:02 UTC https://padlet.com/rtussey/TFAP6/wish/163804234 what do you guys think the symbolism behind ikemefuna's death is? cmorrison2019 https://padlet.com/rtussey/TFAP6/wish/163804335 2017-03-30 18:43:27 UTC https://padlet.com/rtussey/TFAP6/wish/163804335 Do you think the difference in Okonkwo's physical appearance (tall, huge, etc) makes a difference on how he acts? aseeber2019 https://padlet.com/rtussey/TFAP6/wish/163805576 2017-03-30 18:47:56 UTC https://padlet.com/rtussey/TFAP6/wish/163805576 Do yall think that the women just expect to be beaten for doing something wrong? mspringer2019 https://padlet.com/rtussey/TFAP6/wish/163805643 2017-03-30 18:48:12 UTC https://padlet.com/rtussey/TFAP6/wish/163805643 Do you guys believe that many of the reasons of why these things occur have anything to do with either their lack of education or simply the lack of what we consider manners from a younger age? ejimenez2019 https://padlet.com/rtussey/TFAP6/wish/163806512 2017-03-30 18:51:39 UTC https://padlet.com/rtussey/TFAP6/wish/163806512 why does okonkwo's appearance as a strong and highly masculine father make his sons seem less masculine? cmorrison2019 https://padlet.com/rtussey/TFAP6/wish/163806533 2017-03-30 18:51:47 UTC https://padlet.com/rtussey/TFAP6/wish/163806533 If Unoka was still alive, what do you think he would think of Okonkwo and how different he was from himself? lhill2019 https://padlet.com/rtussey/TFAP6/wish/163806782 2017-03-30 18:53:04 UTC https://padlet.com/rtussey/TFAP6/wish/163806782 what would happen if okonkwo let his masculinity go and he showed his true self? cmorrison2019 https://padlet.com/rtussey/TFAP6/wish/163806865 2017-03-30 18:53:22 UTC https://padlet.com/rtussey/TFAP6/wish/163806865 Do you think Nwoye is more feminine than his father because Okonkwo's masculinity scares him? Do you think Nwoye has the same feelings Okonkwo had for Unoka? lhill2019 https://padlet.com/rtussey/TFAP6/wish/163807029 2017-03-30 18:54:08 UTC https://padlet.com/rtussey/TFAP6/wish/163807029 How do you think "Things WILL fall apart"? cparker2019 https://padlet.com/rtussey/TFAP6/wish/163807739 2017-03-30 18:57:36 UTC https://padlet.com/rtussey/TFAP6/wish/163807739 From the kindle edition discussion questions: bjones2019 https://padlet.com/rtussey/TFAP6/wish/167280670 12. Of one of the goddesses, it is said: “It was not the same Chielo who sat with her in the market . . . Chielo was not a woman that night” (See this Page). What do you make of this culture where people can be both themselves and also assume other personas? Can you think of any parallels in your own world?

Achebe, Chinua (2010-10-06). Things Fall Apart (African Trilogy, Book 1) (Kindle Locations 2331-2333). Knopf Doubleday Publishing Group. Kindle Edition. 

Also, could this have been a facet of the cultural tensions between the Christians/Colonizers and the people of Umoufia?]]> 2017-04-20 14:49:59 UTC https://padlet.com/rtussey/TFAP6/wish/167280670 On page 31, Okonkwo first struggles to keep peace in the week of peace, do you think that the week of peace ignites Okonkwo's violent side? kthompson2019 https://padlet.com/rtussey/TFAP6/wish/167280698 2017-04-20 14:50:06 UTC https://padlet.com/rtussey/TFAP6/wish/167280698 How does Okonkwo's role as a "tragic" protagonist compare to Jake Sully's more traditional heroic acts to the Navi'i? cbargeron2019 https://padlet.com/rtussey/TFAP6/wish/167280789 2017-04-20 14:50:21 UTC https://padlet.com/rtussey/TFAP6/wish/167280789 Do the untranslated Igbo words (obi, egwugwu, etc) affect the way the audience perceives the indigenous people? kthompson2019 https://padlet.com/rtussey/TFAP6/wish/167282662 2017-04-20 14:55:52 UTC https://padlet.com/rtussey/TFAP6/wish/167282662 How does the "white man" in Things Fall Apart relate to the Colonel in Avatar? How do these two characters relate to the protagonist in their storyline? slucas2019 https://padlet.com/rtussey/TFAP6/wish/167283136 2017-04-20 14:57:24 UTC https://padlet.com/rtussey/TFAP6/wish/167283136 How would the story be different if it were told from the perspective of the white people? smccarthy2019 https://padlet.com/rtussey/TFAP6/wish/167283201 2017-04-20 14:57:35 UTC https://padlet.com/rtussey/TFAP6/wish/167283201 do you think that the Navi'i people could've fought back and won without the help of Jake Sully? what kind of message does his interaction with joining the tribes show? cmorrison2019 https://padlet.com/rtussey/TFAP6/wish/167285400 2017-04-20 15:04:06 UTC https://padlet.com/rtussey/TFAP6/wish/167285400 Do you guys think that the influence of a human mentality had any affects on the success of the Navi'i? (keeping in mind that Jake Sully was their main leader) ejimenez2019 https://padlet.com/rtussey/TFAP6/wish/167286822 2017-04-20 15:08:03 UTC https://padlet.com/rtussey/TFAP6/wish/167286822 Do you think Okonkwo being the opposite of his father made him destined for tragedy? lhill2019 https://padlet.com/rtussey/TFAP6/wish/167286828 I think this because he tried so hard to be the complete opposite of what his father was, and in doing this, everything crumbled around him. ]]> 2017-04-20 15:08:03 UTC https://padlet.com/rtussey/TFAP6/wish/167286828 How do you think his relationship ended with him and his favorite daughter Enzinma, because of his death? mspringer2019 https://padlet.com/rtussey/TFAP6/wish/167286905 2017-04-20 15:08:17 UTC https://padlet.com/rtussey/TFAP6/wish/167286905 Do you think that the women roles difference between the Navi and Okonkwo's clan made a difference aseeber2019 https://padlet.com/rtussey/TFAP6/wish/167288890 2017-04-20 15:14:11 UTC https://padlet.com/rtussey/TFAP6/wish/167288890 Do you think Okonkwo killing himself was done cowardly (to not be killed by the white people) or brave (doing it for his land)? cparker2019 https://padlet.com/rtussey/TFAP6/wish/167289176 2017-04-20 15:14:56 UTC https://padlet.com/rtussey/TFAP6/wish/167289176 Do you guys think that Okonwko killing himself made him weaker or more similar to his own father? ejimenez2019 https://padlet.com/rtussey/TFAP6/wish/167289346 2017-04-20 15:15:20 UTC https://padlet.com/rtussey/TFAP6/wish/167289346 How do you feel about Okonkwo killing the man in the end of the novel? cparker2019 https://padlet.com/rtussey/TFAP6/wish/167290158 2017-04-20 15:17:04 UTC https://padlet.com/rtussey/TFAP6/wish/167290158 In the book, Okonkwo makes a radical statement. He says "'Does the white man understand our custom about land? How can he when he does not even speak our tongue? But he says our customs are bad; and our own brothers who have taken up his religion also say that our customs are bad.'" What do you think would have occurred in either Avatar or TFA if the colonizers had taken the time to understand and learn about the customs of the indigenous people? apickering2019 https://padlet.com/rtussey/TFAP6/wish/167291210 2017-04-20 15:19:07 UTC https://padlet.com/rtussey/TFAP6/wish/167291210 In today's society, men that beat and kill are seen as disgraceful and "a mess up" in life, however, Okonkwo was seen as a "one of greatest men in Umofia". Why are there different standards for the different cultures aseeber2019 https://padlet.com/rtussey/TFAP6/wish/167291293 2017-04-20 15:19:16 UTC https://padlet.com/rtussey/TFAP6/wish/167291293 In the Dark Knight, Heath Ledger's Joker says this quote about society and morals: “You see, their morals, their code, it's a bad joke. Dropped at the first sign of trouble. They're only as good as the world allows them to be. I'll show you. When the chips are down, these... these civilized people, they'll eat each other.” Is being civilized completely subjective? Why or why not? cbargeron2019 https://padlet.com/rtussey/TFAP6/wish/170221664 2017-05-05 16:27:13 UTC https://padlet.com/rtussey/TFAP6/wish/170221664 Do you think that Assef and Okonkwo are similar? They both had terrible childhoods, and that seems to be the reason they ended up being "bad people" as they grew up. ahall2019 https://padlet.com/rtussey/TFAP6/wish/170221670 2017-05-05 16:27:15 UTC https://padlet.com/rtussey/TFAP6/wish/170221670 How does Nwoye's relationship with his father affect his decision to join the Christian Church? jarmstrong2019 https://padlet.com/rtussey/TFAP6/wish/170221732 2017-05-05 16:27:30 UTC https://padlet.com/rtussey/TFAP6/wish/170221732 Do you think that avatar represents the process of colonization well, do you think this would actually happen (the fight) between the invaders and the people they are invading upon? mspringer2019 https://padlet.com/rtussey/TFAP6/wish/170221827 2017-05-05 16:27:52 UTC https://padlet.com/rtussey/TFAP6/wish/170221827 Why do you think the Igbo culture still believed in the egwugwu even when they knew that they were not actual ancestral spirits, but instead just old people? lhill2019 https://padlet.com/rtussey/TFAP6/wish/170222287 2017-05-05 16:29:43 UTC https://padlet.com/rtussey/TFAP6/wish/170222287 In comparison to the imperialism in TFA, which began with saving people with religon, the imperialism in avatar was based around getting resources through any tactic. why did these aproaches differ, and why didn't the humans in avatar use religon? cmorrison2019 https://padlet.com/rtussey/TFAP6/wish/170223177 2017-05-05 16:33:21 UTC https://padlet.com/rtussey/TFAP6/wish/170223177 Do you think it was a twist of fate for okonkwo to become like his father by fearing it his whole life? how would things be different if he didn't have this fear anymore? cmorrison2019 https://padlet.com/rtussey/TFAP6/wish/170223813 2017-05-05 16:35:58 UTC https://padlet.com/rtussey/TFAP6/wish/170223813 “To show affection was a sign of weakness; the only thing worth demonstrating was strength”-Okonkwo. How do you think he got to this way of thinking? ahall2019 https://padlet.com/rtussey/TFAP6/wish/170224098 2017-05-05 16:37:01 UTC https://padlet.com/rtussey/TFAP6/wish/170224098 What do you think the irony is behind the fact that Okonkwo's favorite child was a girl? Do you think Chinua Achebe (the author) made her a girl to foreshadow events? lhill2019 https://padlet.com/rtussey/TFAP6/wish/170224435 2017-05-05 16:38:21 UTC https://padlet.com/rtussey/TFAP6/wish/170224435 What could have the missionaries learned from the umuofians if they listened and tried to work with them? How could have the fate of umuofia and okonkwo been changed? cmorrison2019 https://padlet.com/rtussey/TFAP6/wish/170225739 2017-05-05 16:44:25 UTC https://padlet.com/rtussey/TFAP6/wish/170225739 The “Missed Opportunities” Article is written by an indigenous man, TFA was written by someone who faced imperialism directly, but Avatar and the digital imperialism article are both written by white men. How does the ethnicity and experience of the creator affect the tone and purpose of the text? kthompson2019 https://padlet.com/rtussey/TFAP6/wish/170227288 2017-05-05 16:51:08 UTC https://padlet.com/rtussey/TFAP6/wish/170227288 The Silicon Valley CEOs can almost be considered to be the “missionaries” of digital imperialism...if so, who will the more militant people be? WILL there be violent consequences/people sent over from the West to the places that are being “colonized” by Western technology? smccarthy2019 https://padlet.com/rtussey/TFAP6/wish/170227303 2017-05-05 16:51:13 UTC https://padlet.com/rtussey/TFAP6/wish/170227303 The Question our group essentially omitted bjones2019 https://padlet.com/rtussey/TFAP6/wish/170227712 “The District Commissioner is going to title his work The Pacification of the Primitive Tribes of the Niger (See this Page). What do you interpret from this to be his perception of Okonkwo and the people of Umuofia?”
 
How does this relate to what we learned about the justifications of colonization for the Niger and elsewhere?
What does this example teach us about what we know about other cultures in the world? Same/Different? 
]]> 2017-05-05 16:53:04 UTC https://padlet.com/rtussey/TFAP6/wish/170227712 In the situations that we've studied, white/non native intervention surely ends in violence and disaster. Is there a way to help developing countries without causing violence, or is it better for the countries to develop on their own? kthompson2019 https://padlet.com/rtussey/TFAP6/wish/170228211 2017-05-05 16:55:23 UTC https://padlet.com/rtussey/TFAP6/wish/170228211 Who do you guys think Achebe was trying to target with his book? ejimenez2019 https://padlet.com/rtussey/TFAP6/wish/170229156 2017-05-05 16:59:02 UTC https://padlet.com/rtussey/TFAP6/wish/170229156 Okonkwo died because he was afraid of looking weak since his country did not want to fight, while when military die fighting and are respected. What is the difference between the two standards? aseeber2019 https://padlet.com/rtussey/TFAP6/wish/170229210 2017-05-05 16:59:17 UTC https://padlet.com/rtussey/TFAP6/wish/170229210 Is Okonkwo's frustration with Christianity derrived from the asceticism within the Christian message? bjones2019 https://padlet.com/rtussey/TFAP6/wish/170230348 Also how is Asceticism simply used as a veil by Christianity to hide a power structure similar to that in Umoufia?

]]> 2017-05-05 17:03:20 UTC https://padlet.com/rtussey/TFAP6/wish/170230348 We look at Okonkwo as a strong man, but I wonder if we've ever tried to relate with Okonkwo and maybe understands the roots of why he is the way he is, rather than judging him and jumping straight into conclusions? ejimenez2019 https://padlet.com/rtussey/TFAP6/wish/170231933 2017-05-05 17:08:12 UTC https://padlet.com/rtussey/TFAP6/wish/170231933