Remake of Lefebvre and Challenges to 3rd Space by Carlos LopezLeiva https://padlet.com/carlopezleiva/Lefebvre_Challenge Please describe a major point from Lefebvre's theory and a challenge to 3rd Space en-us 2017-04-26 21:52:14 UTC 2025-11-02 23:26:57 UTC hello@padlet.com https://padlet-assets.s3.amazonaws.com/icons/Alarmclock.png A challenge to 3rd space is hat the idea of 3rd space is something unfixed and ever expanding, but that the moment it is defined it is a new container with limitations that no longer inhabits the ideals of 3rd space. -MW https://padlet.com/carlopezleiva/Lefebvre_Challenge/wish/168519908 2017-04-27 00:38:03 UTC https://padlet.com/carlopezleiva/Lefebvre_Challenge/wish/168519908 Lefebvre uses spacial theory to discuss how the perceived, conceived, and lived spaces interact with each other in our daily lives. This leads to self reflection of our experiences and lives, and to further understandings of hidden structures and power. -MW https://padlet.com/carlopezleiva/Lefebvre_Challenge/wish/168520132 2017-04-27 00:40:15 UTC https://padlet.com/carlopezleiva/Lefebvre_Challenge/wish/168520132 A challenge to 3rd space is that it should not be associated with anything. It should not house any radical thinking, as Soja advocates. It should be conceived as a liberating mode of thinking that ends only the oppressive modes of thinking. https://padlet.com/carlopezleiva/Lefebvre_Challenge/wish/169015413 AK]]> 2017-04-29 15:11:34 UTC https://padlet.com/carlopezleiva/Lefebvre_Challenge/wish/169015413 Lefebvre's production of space is a call for contemplation. Getting to know how spatialities are formed in a very complex interaction urges human beings not to rush their judgement or impose their mentalities on others. they should be more open for change, acceptance and respect of other thinking. AK https://padlet.com/carlopezleiva/Lefebvre_Challenge/wish/169015643 2017-04-29 15:15:53 UTC https://padlet.com/carlopezleiva/Lefebvre_Challenge/wish/169015643 In Lossau's piece the mention of ..."carefully analyze the spatial language of traditional discourses but to acknowledge the objectifying power of the spatial metaphors which play a crucial role in postcolonial theory and practice"(p.71). We must not fall into the trap with 3rd Space to continue using or (re)using metaphors that describe something that has already been described. We must look at whatever is the discussion point with a spacial lens. What is the language that used to be used and what is the language of now that could be used. We must be critical even with our own interpretations of our historicity, space, language, and everything else that falls in between. MJ jurado1 https://padlet.com/carlopezleiva/Lefebvre_Challenge/wish/169581963 2017-05-03 03:09:52 UTC https://padlet.com/carlopezleiva/Lefebvre_Challenge/wish/169581963 According to Lefebvre we have a right, the right to the city, and within that right comes certain obligations of participation. This participation had many forms that will enable us to fully be active participants in out reality. We must be cognizant of how our rights work within the realms of active presence. (Kiper, at. 2008. p.259) MJ jurado1 https://padlet.com/carlopezleiva/Lefebvre_Challenge/wish/169584713 2017-05-03 03:49:21 UTC https://padlet.com/carlopezleiva/Lefebvre_Challenge/wish/169584713 SUBLATE https://padlet.com/carlopezleiva/Lefebvre_Challenge/wish/169705392 This term is golden because it captures the essence of structural theory. It is a seemingly contradictory definition in which, Schmid, drawing from Hegel's Aufheben shares that, to sublate means, "to preserve, to maintain, and equally it also means to cause to cease to put an end to" (p. 30) This is essential to Post-Structural theory, because nothing is original, once words are spoken, once space is established you are simultaneously creating its other, and its infinite 3rd. This term is essential to grasp, because Lefebvre, drawing from Nietzche establishes that we exist in a poetic. Not simply because of the notion that we are all poets and artists in the traditional sense that we're creating sonnets in our wake. But rather, this is because language, because its sublative in nature, can only serve to be a symbolic engagement between two people. Language exists as a form of poetry; hence, language exists in a 3rd space. As Lefebvre explains, "a third term emerges thereby that both negates and embodies the other two" (p. 32).
-KD  ]]> 2017-05-03 15:15:20 UTC https://padlet.com/carlopezleiva/Lefebvre_Challenge/wish/169705392 Problems, Spatial Metaphor. https://padlet.com/carlopezleiva/Lefebvre_Challenge/wish/169708303 A challenge, or as Lossau would describe, a pitfall of 3rd space is captured exactly in describing language as sublative. Please see my "sublate" addition in this padlet. Lossau discusses the pitfalls that are associated with the, "ambivalent logic of spatial language," in which if EVERYTHING is 3rd space, if EVERYTHING is only poetry then where does 3rd space begin to make social change? A pitfall of 3rd space as everything, makes it fall into the realm of bypassing. If its everything, if its constantly being sublative then no action, no purpose, no salty form of resistance can be made. 
-KD]]> 2017-05-03 15:25:18 UTC https://padlet.com/carlopezleiva/Lefebvre_Challenge/wish/169708303 SPACE IS PRODUCED https://padlet.com/carlopezleiva/Lefebvre_Challenge/wish/170065894 Version of dialectics, not binary, but triadic.
Language theory and development of own language to describe. Sublation. Lefebvre begins at concept: the identity of a term can be grasped only in relation to other terms and thus to it's own negotiation (p. 32).  Life and contradictions.
Web of Relationships
1. Spatial practice
2. Representation of space
3. Spaces of representation
WEB OF RELATIONSHIPS
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