https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo Made with joy en-us 2018-10-05 13:56:33 UTC 2021-07-10 14:12:39 UTC hello@padlet.com woodd10 https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289622485 What does Eric n Sam's relation to each other symbolize and why does Golding emphasize it in chapter 6]]> 2018-10-05 14:02:59 UTC https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289622485 grahamj14 https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289622826 To emphasize his point even more about sam and eric being together some of the the other kids on the island call them by one name samneric]]> 2018-10-05 14:03:35 UTC https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289622826 kuntzl1 https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289623032 Why did goulding chose to make them two characters]]> 2018-10-05 14:03:58 UTC https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289623032 gaboriaultr https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289623070 I am not sure if it necessarily symbolizes anything. They essentially function as one character.]]> 2018-10-05 14:04:02 UTC https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289623070 kuntzl1 https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289623186 He could have just had one, but why did he choose two]]> 2018-10-05 14:04:15 UTC https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289623186 ranieria1 https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289623265 I think of them as two peas in one pod; a packaged deal]]> 2018-10-05 14:04:23 UTC https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289623265 cheaton3 https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289623309 I've read this book once or twice now, and I still don't really have a good answer as to why Golding included them. Looking forward to hearing your thoughts.]]> 2018-10-05 14:04:28 UTC https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289623309 danielsg4 https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289623327 They definetely thought of as one person because they rarely ever make an appearance in the book]]> 2018-10-05 14:04:29 UTC https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289623327 mcclennens https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289623370 Sam and eric even seem to think of themselves as kind of the same person sometimes i think]]> 2018-10-05 14:04:34 UTC https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289623370 grahamj14 https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289623405 Maybe to show that some people on the island could get along]]> 2018-10-05 14:04:38 UTC https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289623405 mcdermotta https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289623443 I think it can show the power of a bond]]> 2018-10-05 14:04:43 UTC https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289623443 liammcavoy16 https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289623472 Lillian i think to show development as they become more and more the same, but i dont know what they represent]]> 2018-10-05 14:04:46 UTC https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289623472 millerb28 https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289623522 I think golding was influenced by wwii when he wrote this book so mabey the how the twins do what the other one does even if its bad can symbolize hitler youth.]]> 2018-10-05 14:04:51 UTC https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289623522 keaneym1 https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289623605 I mean they are the only people who were super close before the crash happened so it makes sense that they are inseparable ]]> 2018-10-05 14:04:59 UTC https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289623605 fowlera4 https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289623632 I agree with Reece. I don't think the two symbolize anything but I do think that the reason why the two were important in this chapter was because they saw the 'beast']]> 2018-10-05 14:05:02 UTC https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289623632 kuntzl1 https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289623730 Wait, what did sam and eric do to each other? Did I miss something?]]> 2018-10-05 14:05:13 UTC https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289623730 hessa8 https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289623891 he could've chosen to make them two people @lillian because they could represent how the island can either pull you apart like jack and ralph or push two people together ]]> 2018-10-05 14:05:29 UTC https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289623891 danielsg4 https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289624186 I think they are over exaggerating their experience with the beast]]> 2018-10-05 14:06:02 UTC https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289624186 ranieria1 https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289624264 That's a good observation Anna, I sorta agree with that. When one is brought up, so is the other. They are always together. ]]> 2018-10-05 14:06:11 UTC https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289624264 cheaton3 https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289624371 Lillian- are you asking for clarification from Ben? Hitler Youth? I need clarification on that, myself.]]> 2018-10-05 14:06:23 UTC https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289624371 grahamj14 https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289624406 0123456789]]> 2018-10-05 14:06:27 UTC https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289624406 mcclennens https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289624454 I agree with grace they might have exaggerated to look cool]]> 2018-10-05 14:06:31 UTC https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289624454 woodd10 https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289624477 I think that samneric are used to show the difference between a tightly knit group and a divided and uncertain group. Samneric always  do the same thing and they agree; the group of boys that ralph and jack are trying to lead do not function as a team]]> 2018-10-05 14:06:35 UTC https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289624477 mcclennens https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289624525 jake?

]]> 2018-10-05 14:06:40 UTC https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289624525 keaneym1 https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289624548 ben can you expand on what you said about Golding relating to Hitler Youth]]> 2018-10-05 14:06:43 UTC https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289624548 keaneym1 https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289624598 I am a bit confused]]> 2018-10-05 14:06:47 UTC https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289624598 kuntzl1 https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289624613 Yeah. What does the Hitler Youth have to do with anything?]]> 2018-10-05 14:06:50 UTC https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289624613 danielsg4 https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289624673 ^]]> 2018-10-05 14:06:57 UTC https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289624673 grahamj14 https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289624683 accident ]]> 2018-10-05 14:06:58 UTC https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289624683 gaboriaultr https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289624753 It think that if the author was going for what Ava suggested, he would have made them unrelated.]]> 2018-10-05 14:07:06 UTC https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289624753 menginea1 https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289624757 yeah can you expand on that ben]]> 2018-10-05 14:07:06 UTC https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289624757 millerb28 https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289624909 Lilian sam and eric fell asleep together and let the fire go out]]> 2018-10-05 14:07:23 UTC https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289624909 grahamj14 https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289624994 Hitler youth wasn't very important part of WWII and it seems like a stretch]]> 2018-10-05 14:07:32 UTC https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289624994 hessa8 https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289625016 @Grace i think they exaggerated the beast as a coping mechanism just as they do the whole "beast" as a way to put there fear onto one place ]]> 2018-10-05 14:07:33 UTC https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289625016 kuntzl1 https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289625024 When?]]> 2018-10-05 14:07:34 UTC https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289625024 cheaton3 https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289625184 Ben- Hitler Youth?]]> 2018-10-05 14:07:54 UTC https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289625184 mcdermotta https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289625323 I think samneric are modeling what a functioning group should look like in certain ways, Ralph just hasn't seen that yet]]> 2018-10-05 14:08:12 UTC https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289625323 keaneym1 https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289625329 Yeah their relashionship could very well symbolize somthing bigger but right now I just think of them as one character in the plot. Does anyone else agree]]> 2018-10-05 14:08:13 UTC https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289625329 ranieria1 https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289625476 Golding could have also made them different characters, like polar opposites. Instead he chose to essentially make them the same person because of how alike they are. This could either have complete symbolism to it, or Golding may have not had the intention to make them all that symbolic at all.  ]]> 2018-10-05 14:08:29 UTC https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289625476 hessa8 https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289625565 I don't understand the hitler youth thing either ]]> 2018-10-05 14:08:41 UTC https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289625565 liammcavoy16 https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289625628 Yea ben can you clarify what you mean about the hitler youth]]> 2018-10-05 14:08:47 UTC https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289625628 woodd10 https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289625696 c'mon ben]]> 2018-10-05 14:08:57 UTC https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289625696 danielsg4 https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289625769 Yes Ava I agree and this is sort of how I feel on it but I think that sometimes everything is just in their heads and there isn't even a beast at all and they're having illusions.]]> 2018-10-05 14:09:05 UTC https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289625769 kuntzl1 https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289625819  I agree with Reece. They're aren't many true friends on the island and the only ones that stick together are Sam and Eric. If he wanted to symbolize people being brought together he wouldn't have chosen brothers and twins. ]]> 2018-10-05 14:09:11 UTC https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289625819 grahamj14 https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289625840 I found that an oddly specific analogy ]]> 2018-10-05 14:09:12 UTC https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289625840 mcclennens https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289625888 ^]]> 2018-10-05 14:09:18 UTC https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289625888 grahamj14 https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289625938 very trivial]]> 2018-10-05 14:09:24 UTC https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289625938 mcclennens https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289626007 ^]]> 2018-10-05 14:09:30 UTC https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289626007 menginea1 https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289626014 i agree with anna, i think that ralph need to look at sam and erics relationship and try to mirror their relationship]]> 2018-10-05 14:09:31 UTC https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289626014 lucentem01 https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289626201 I also don´t think they were meant to symbolize anything. But I do think they show how imagination of the youth can completely change perspective and actions ]]> 2018-10-05 14:09:51 UTC https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289626201 liammcavoy16 https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289626293 Lillian earlier you asked when they fell asleep together, on page 96, one of them was supposed to be on watch but they felt like they had to be doing the same thing]]> 2018-10-05 14:10:01 UTC https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289626293 fowlera4 https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289626307 that's a very interesting analogy]]> 2018-10-05 14:10:03 UTC https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289626307 keaneym1 https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289626336 I dont think it would make sense for them to be at all related to hitlers youth because weren't all of the children on the plane in the first place to escape the war and hitler?]]> 2018-10-05 14:10:06 UTC https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289626336 hessa8 https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289626372 yea @Grace exactly that's what i mean they created the "beast" in their heads as a way to cope with fear]]> 2018-10-05 14:10:10 UTC https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289626372 grahamj14 https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289626431 That might just mean more about the human nature of following other rather than Hitler youth]]> 2018-10-05 14:10:18 UTC https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289626431 grahamj14 https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289626506 others]]> 2018-10-05 14:10:27 UTC https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289626506 keaneym1 https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289626513 yeah i agree jake]]> 2018-10-05 14:10:27 UTC https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289626513 mcclennens https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289626651 I like jakes answer]]> 2018-10-05 14:10:44 UTC https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289626651 grahamj14 https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289626765 You're all too kind ]]> 2018-10-05 14:10:58 UTC https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289626765 millerb28 https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289626815 Im just relating it to something golding might have known in his lifetime]]> 2018-10-05 14:11:04 UTC https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289626815 hessa8 https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289626827 Yea I agree with jake ]]> 2018-10-05 14:11:05 UTC https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289626827 fowlera4 https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289626855 Do you think we should move on to another question?]]> 2018-10-05 14:11:09 UTC https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289626855 menginea1 https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289626856 i agree with jake ]]> 2018-10-05 14:11:09 UTC https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289626856 liammcavoy16 https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289626939 jake can you expand on what you said, i dont really understand]]> 2018-10-05 14:11:18 UTC https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289626939 hessa8 https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289627005 yes arianna]]> 2018-10-05 14:11:24 UTC https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289627005 millerb28 https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289627014 Yes new question please]]> 2018-10-05 14:11:25 UTC https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289627014 woodd10 https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289627064 Why do the twins(samneric) call Ralph's actions "waxy"]]> 2018-10-05 14:11:30 UTC https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289627064 keaneym1 https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289627081 I have a question but i dont know if we are done with this]]> 2018-10-05 14:11:31 UTC https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289627081 danielsg4 https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289627305 Like have any of you ever seen the movie Castaway with Tom Hanks? He makes a volleyball into a person and that is the whole reason why he lived so they could be using the beast as a way to cope together and work together on the beast]]> 2018-10-05 14:11:55 UTC https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289627305 ranieria1 https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289627682 Thats a great movie]]> 2018-10-05 14:12:31 UTC https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289627682 ranieria1 https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289627735 kinda gets boring tho]]> 2018-10-05 14:12:38 UTC https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289627735 liammcavoy16 https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289627760 WILSON]]> 2018-10-05 14:12:39 UTC https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289627760 hessa8 https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289628037 @Daniel i'm not sure ]]> 2018-10-05 14:13:09 UTC https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289628037 millerb28 https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289628098 also in the movie castaway there was a scene that he heard the coconuts dropping and thought it was a monster]]> 2018-10-05 14:13:15 UTC https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289628098 danielsg4 https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289628205 Facts]]> 2018-10-05 14:13:29 UTC https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289628205 ranieria1 https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289628230 Boi]]> 2018-10-05 14:13:31 UTC https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289628230 keaneym1 https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289628233 I was wondering why golding chose to let the reader know about the parachute guy before the children knew what it really was. Was it to expand on the thought of the children using stories to cope? The description is on page 95]]> 2018-10-05 14:13:31 UTC https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289628233 mcclennens https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289628250 I feel left out i never saw that movie]]> 2018-10-05 14:13:33 UTC https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289628250 keaneym1 https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289628305 I just want to know others thoughts]]> 2018-10-05 14:13:39 UTC https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289628305 millerb28 https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289628633 I dont think any of the boys have seen a dead body]]> 2018-10-05 14:14:10 UTC https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289628633 keaneym1 https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289628889 yea I know but if the children havent seen it then why did golding tell the reader]]> 2018-10-05 14:14:35 UTC https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289628889 danielsg4 https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289629054 That is probably very traumatizing.]]> 2018-10-05 14:14:50 UTC https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289629054 millerb28 https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289629061 They are confused at a lifeless figure moving in the wind]]> 2018-10-05 14:14:51 UTC https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289629061 grahamj14 https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289629073 its too spooky for samneric]]> 2018-10-05 14:14:52 UTC https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289629073 millerb28 https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289629109 also its dark]]> 2018-10-05 14:14:55 UTC https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289629109 woodd10 https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289629147 I think that golding let the reader know about the parachutist first because he wanted us to see and evaluate how the different characters would respond ]]> 2018-10-05 14:14:58 UTC https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289629147 gaboriaultr https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289629325 If the author didn't, he might not have had an opportunity to explain exactly where it came from.]]> 2018-10-05 14:15:15 UTC https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289629325 hessa8 https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289629509 I think the author told the reader about the body before the boys said it was the "beast because it is a coping mechanism they're trying to focus their fear onto somthing on the island instead of getting off the island]]> 2018-10-05 14:15:30 UTC https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289629509 liammcavoy16 https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289629600 i think to make sure we know there is no real beast]]> 2018-10-05 14:15:41 UTC https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289629600 danielsg4 https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289629717 He probably went into so much detail so we could get a good mental picture and imagine what it actually looked like]]> 2018-10-05 14:15:53 UTC https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289629717 danielsg4 https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289629817 True Liam]]> 2018-10-05 14:16:02 UTC https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289629817 kuntzl1 https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289629846 I don't know if this is really related to the question, but I wondered why they didn't instantly go back to where Sam and Eric were. Did they not really want to find the beast? It would have been the easiest way to track it and follow its path. Plus, if they did do that they could figure out if there really was a beast. ]]> 2018-10-05 14:16:04 UTC https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289629846 menginea1 https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289629914 I think golding chose to let the reader know that it was actually a parachuter and not an actual monster to show us that the most of the kids think that there's a monster on the island but don't use reason or observation so see if its actually a real monster or not]]> 2018-10-05 14:16:11 UTC https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289629914 millerb28 https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289629940 Wait if there was a plane near the island there could be land nearby]]> 2018-10-05 14:16:15 UTC https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289629940 keaneym1 https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289630006 Yes I agree I think the dark description of the body is very contrasting to the boys perseption of the island]]> 2018-10-05 14:16:22 UTC https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289630006 mcclennens https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289630037 I think it was so descript so we could think about what we might think it was]]> 2018-10-05 14:16:25 UTC https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289630037 liammcavoy16 https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289630096 Lillian, samneric told everyone the beast chased them, so it couldve been anywhere]]> 2018-10-05 14:16:30 UTC https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289630096 kuntzl1 https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289630319 Yes, that's true, but its tracks would still be there. ]]> 2018-10-05 14:16:52 UTC https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289630319 ranieria1 https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289630398 Jumping to a prediction question Ben]]> 2018-10-05 14:16:59 UTC https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289630398 millerb28 https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289630454 sorry]]> 2018-10-05 14:17:06 UTC https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289630454 kuntzl1 https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289630474 They could just track it from its footprints.]]> 2018-10-05 14:17:09 UTC https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289630474 keaneym1 https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289630520 I don't think the boys are thinking clearly enough to think about tracks and things]]> 2018-10-05 14:17:12 UTC https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289630520 millerb28 https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289630749 It is a mythical creature it doesn't make footprints move on]]> 2018-10-05 14:17:38 UTC https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289630749 liammcavoy16 https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289630775 They think it swings from the trees and thats why it leaves no footprints]]> 2018-10-05 14:17:40 UTC https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289630775 kuntzl1 https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289630784 That's fair, but I still think it was a stupid thing to do. Aren't they hunters? Should they be able to hunt?]]> 2018-10-05 14:17:41 UTC https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289630784 cheaton3 https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289630787 It evinces the mounting hysteria around the beast, right? PS- When the reader knows something the characters don't it's called Dramatic Irony. ]]> 2018-10-05 14:17:42 UTC https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289630787 loperj2 https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289630847 i thought that the boys agreed that the beast swung through the trees and thats why they couldnt hunt it properly]]> 2018-10-05 14:17:47 UTC https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289630847 hessa8 https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289630889 samneric could have also thought they would look weak if they ran away from a parachute man and could've been completely aware that is was a body, but said it was a beast to not look weak]]> 2018-10-05 14:17:51 UTC https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289630889 grahamj14 https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289630994 Or he just wanted us to actually know it wasn't a beast and to see what samneric's thoughts on ithe parachuter were. Also wouldn't it be dramatic irony?]]> 2018-10-05 14:18:00 UTC https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289630994 kuntzl1 https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289631015 Liam- There would still be evidence of it moving through the trees]]> 2018-10-05 14:18:03 UTC https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289631015 woodd10 https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289631071 I don't think they could track the "beast" because Ralph says its not a hunter's job; he says that they cant track it because it flies; its a beast from the ari]]> 2018-10-05 14:18:09 UTC https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289631071 menginea1 https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289631076 i agree with tillie because they see something that's slightly frightening and they automatically think its the beast]]> 2018-10-05 14:18:09 UTC https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289631076 millerb28 https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289631149 I think their fear protects them from a harsher reality]]> 2018-10-05 14:18:16 UTC https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289631149 danielsg4 https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289631164 Well the beast is not real so they obviously wouldn't find footprints]]> 2018-10-05 14:18:17 UTC https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289631164 keaneym1 https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289631234 Simon is also suspicious about the monster ]]> 2018-10-05 14:18:24 UTC https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289631234 kuntzl1 https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289631269 Yeah, but they'd find the body.]]> 2018-10-05 14:18:26 UTC https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289631269 liammcavoy16 https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289631281 How does the fighting in the sky on page 95 symbolically relate to whats going on on the island?]]> 2018-10-05 14:18:28 UTC https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289631281 woodd10 https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289631359 Why are the leaves ]]> 2018-10-05 14:18:36 UTC https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289631359 keaneym1 https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289631672 They are kids so their mind doesnt always choose the logical answer, in this case looking for footprints]]> 2018-10-05 14:19:13 UTC https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289631672 woodd10 https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289632075 there are no tracks; its a beast from the air]]> 2018-10-05 14:19:56 UTC https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289632075 millerb28 https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289632145 Their fear of the beast protects them from a harsher reality]]> 2018-10-05 14:20:02 UTC https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289632145 gaboriaultr https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289632288 Liam, it shows that the whole world during the war was like the island.]]> 2018-10-05 14:20:18 UTC https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289632288 keaneym1 https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289632298 we are talking ab the fighting in the sky]]> 2018-10-05 14:20:19 UTC https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289632298 cheaton3 https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289632392 Nice parallel, Liam. Golding very much wants you thinking of the wars on and off the island.]]> 2018-10-05 14:20:28 UTC https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289632392 loperj2 https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289632452 the fighting in the sky relates to the island because the boys have started to fight with each other about their survival which is like the fighting in the sky]]> 2018-10-05 14:20:34 UTC https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289632452 ranieria1 https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289632467 Could this foreshadow something, mean something more?]]> 2018-10-05 14:20:36 UTC https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289632467 lucentem01 https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289632484 I think the fighting in the sky relates to the fighting happening among the boys. It´s kind of showing that a disagreement can result in a greater conflict. ]]> 2018-10-05 14:20:37 UTC https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289632484 grahamj14 https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289632582 It shows that there are two sides Allies and Axis or Jack and Ralph]]> 2018-10-05 14:20:48 UTC https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289632582 lucentem01 https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289632632 I think the fighting in the sky relates to the fighting happening among the boys. It´s kind of showing that a disagreement can result in a greater conflict. ]]> 2018-10-05 14:20:54 UTC https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289632632 hessa8 https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289632650 it relates because they boys are originally leaving england to get away from war but get put on an island of where they are fighting each other the author could be reminding you that the real war isn't on the island but i back home ]]> 2018-10-05 14:20:56 UTC https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289632650 fowlera4 https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289632737 The adults are fighting with each other in the sky. and the kids on the island are also fighting with each other on the island. The boys rely on adults and they keep saying that if adults were there then they wouldn't fight and would be okay but in reality the adults are fighting a war]]> 2018-10-05 14:21:04 UTC https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289632737 hessa8 https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289632834 is*]]> 2018-10-05 14:21:13 UTC https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289632834 millerb28 https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289632955 Maybe the kids being on the island protects them from the reality of war]]> 2018-10-05 14:21:27 UTC https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289632955 danielsg4 https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289632971 The dead guy could mean something as well. Like it could foreshadow someones fate and that if the boys keep fighting then they could end up just like him.]]> 2018-10-05 14:21:28 UTC https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289632971 cheaton3 https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289633030 Can you tell, based on the text evidence, that we have not yet hit the climax? That we are still in rising action?]]> 2018-10-05 14:21:34 UTC https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289633030 woodd10 https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289633044 The author could be trying to say that the war is everywhere and in everything]]> 2018-10-05 14:21:35 UTC https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289633044 keaneym1 https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289633053 Even if the boys somehow escaped the island, they would still be surrounded by chaos because of the war going on]]> 2018-10-05 14:21:36 UTC https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289633053 ranieria1 https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289633116 That may have sounded like a prediction but I get the sense while looking back on this part of the book that maybe this could foreshadow something and actually show us more than what it actually seems like.]]> 2018-10-05 14:21:41 UTC https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289633116 mcclennens https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289633126 I think the fighting in the sky could possibly represent the caos with a ugly result that might happen to the boys if they dont get along.]]> 2018-10-05 14:21:42 UTC https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289633126 hessa8 https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289633207 I like arianna's answer more, it makes more sense ]]> 2018-10-05 14:21:50 UTC https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289633207 grahamj14 https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289633274 They're probably all going to die anyway ]]> 2018-10-05 14:21:56 UTC https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289633274 kuntzl1 https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289633364 I agree with Arianna. The whole time while the kids talk about how they need grown ups, but the grown ups are killing each other. ]]> 2018-10-05 14:22:04 UTC https://padlet.com/cheaton3/hz9k5nbwhjeo/wish/289633364