https://padlet.com/osvaldocarnalla/hymsxfylll6lzm6h en-us 2023-03-02 02:58:03 UTC 2023-03-02 22:51:44 UTC hello@padlet.com osvaldocarnalla https://padlet.com/osvaldocarnalla/hymsxfylll6lzm6h/wish/2500472463 2023-03-02 03:05:14 UTC https://padlet.com/osvaldocarnalla/hymsxfylll6lzm6h/wish/2500472463 https://padlet.com/osvaldocarnalla/hymsxfylll6lzm6h/wish/2501800313 I think it is not black and white. I think it is hard because understanding of trying to survive ]]> 2023-03-02 22:47:24 UTC https://padlet.com/osvaldocarnalla/hymsxfylll6lzm6h/wish/2501800313 https://padlet.com/osvaldocarnalla/hymsxfylll6lzm6h/wish/2501800722 Everyone is bad in their own diff way throughout the movie, because some kill, others rape, others exploit, etc. At some point every character does something that is not morally correct, doesn’t necessarily make them bad but they are conscious of their actions. But, that is all they know. In the end it’s about survival. ]]> 2023-03-02 22:48:03 UTC https://padlet.com/osvaldocarnalla/hymsxfylll6lzm6h/wish/2501800722 https://padlet.com/osvaldocarnalla/hymsxfylll6lzm6h/wish/2501800996 the world made them the bad guys, no one is born bad ]]> 2023-03-02 22:48:27 UTC https://padlet.com/osvaldocarnalla/hymsxfylll6lzm6h/wish/2501800996 https://padlet.com/osvaldocarnalla/hymsxfylll6lzm6h/wish/2501801368 For me, what makes someone “good” or “bad” relates to human agency. Yes! Socioeconomic conditions are definitely a primary determinant for what the audience perceives as “Bad Guy”, since macro or structural factors influence individual’s decisions!]]> 2023-03-02 22:49:04 UTC https://padlet.com/osvaldocarnalla/hymsxfylll6lzm6h/wish/2501801368 https://padlet.com/osvaldocarnalla/hymsxfylll6lzm6h/wish/2501801674 My initial reaction after watching this film was that “Little Z” was the bad guy. But knowing the context and background behind geographical segregation and racial discrimination in Brazil, it seems that there’s a bigger force behind the characters’ decisions and actions. ]]> 2023-03-02 22:49:32 UTC https://padlet.com/osvaldocarnalla/hymsxfylll6lzm6h/wish/2501801674 https://padlet.com/osvaldocarnalla/hymsxfylll6lzm6h/wish/2501801694 I think reducing these characters to “good” and “bad” isn’t fair. I mean, nobody is good or bad, everybody is complex. Everyone is products of their environment. Does that mean some of the actions in the film are excusable? No. But they’re complicated. ]]> 2023-03-02 22:49:33 UTC https://padlet.com/osvaldocarnalla/hymsxfylll6lzm6h/wish/2501801694 https://padlet.com/osvaldocarnalla/hymsxfylll6lzm6h/wish/2501801932 I think yes, there are bad guys, but yes, socioeconomic factors play a role. For some people one of the only ways of being successful is by going into the drug business. Or at least it is tempting]]> 2023-03-02 22:49:57 UTC https://padlet.com/osvaldocarnalla/hymsxfylll6lzm6h/wish/2501801932 https://padlet.com/osvaldocarnalla/hymsxfylll6lzm6h/wish/2501801981 I think that the concept of a “good guy” in this film is a very blurred line, as ultimately the goal of characters is just to survive. The socioeconomic situations that they have been put in have decreased their options in terms of making the so called “correct choice”.]]> 2023-03-02 22:50:02 UTC https://padlet.com/osvaldocarnalla/hymsxfylll6lzm6h/wish/2501801981 https://padlet.com/osvaldocarnalla/hymsxfylll6lzm6h/wish/2501802233 the lines are super blurry]]> 2023-03-02 22:50:26 UTC https://padlet.com/osvaldocarnalla/hymsxfylll6lzm6h/wish/2501802233 https://padlet.com/osvaldocarnalla/hymsxfylll6lzm6h/wish/2501802325 I think that even the characters that we can more consider good are still not perfect; for example, Rocket wants to get out of the favela without involvement with gangs, but he also chooses his own security over exposing an important truth. This does not make him a bad character, he is looking out for himself, but it makes him not a good guy in the usual sense.]]> 2023-03-02 22:50:34 UTC https://padlet.com/osvaldocarnalla/hymsxfylll6lzm6h/wish/2501802325 https://padlet.com/osvaldocarnalla/hymsxfylll6lzm6h/wish/2501802352 It seems the bad guys are “bad” because of the circumstances they are stuck in. As you said people are constantly struggling to leave this violence and the favela and seeing this constant struggle deters people from trying to escape. The gang also offers an idea of family so I don’t think any characters are inherently bad (maybe Lil Zé cause he just goes on killing sprees) but the majority of the characters and stuck in very difficult circumstance and gangs offer a way to have a family and make money]]> 2023-03-02 22:50:36 UTC https://padlet.com/osvaldocarnalla/hymsxfylll6lzm6h/wish/2501802352 https://padlet.com/osvaldocarnalla/hymsxfylll6lzm6h/wish/2501802485 I would say Rocket is the good guy, as he was able to make something positive out of his situation and not choose violence. ]]> 2023-03-02 22:50:49 UTC https://padlet.com/osvaldocarnalla/hymsxfylll6lzm6h/wish/2501802485 https://padlet.com/osvaldocarnalla/hymsxfylll6lzm6h/wish/2501802612 Lil’Z/Lil’Dice was the only bad guy. He straight killed the motel workers n the people at the motel as a child then went on to kill other people cause they were in his way. I think Ned started as a good guy but became morally corrupt he started to love the power and lost his way at the end his goal was power n killing Dice, but we do see moments of his humanity such as when steak dies Ned is the one that closes steaks eyes and stays as his body is on the ground bleeding out before he himself is shot. Benny is def my favorite character he’s morally neutral not bad but not good cause you know he contributed to the violence even though he felt bad about it ]]> 2023-03-02 22:51:02 UTC https://padlet.com/osvaldocarnalla/hymsxfylll6lzm6h/wish/2501802612 https://padlet.com/osvaldocarnalla/hymsxfylll6lzm6h/wish/2501802734 I think that socioeconomic status plays a big role in pushing people towards crime and “bad guy” activity, so I definitely wouldn’t say that any of the people who do bad things are fully at fault, but I still think that a non-violent route is possible (though difficult) and people’s priorities become apparent in what paths they end up taking. Distancing oneself from the violence, or at least trying to, is not the easiest path but it is a possible one. The lines are definitely blurry and one’s choices are definitely reflective of both their socio-economic status and their moral character.]]> 2023-03-02 22:51:16 UTC https://padlet.com/osvaldocarnalla/hymsxfylll6lzm6h/wish/2501802734 https://padlet.com/osvaldocarnalla/hymsxfylll6lzm6h/wish/2501802976 I think it depends on what one considers to be “bad” or what makes a person truly bad. If it’s determined by actions that are violent and morally wrong, then everyone here has done something wrong, whether it’s murder, rape, steal or lie. But when I think about it from a classic story structure, then the clear “villain” or antagonist is Lil Z- and he is a very complicated person to trace the roots of his nature. He is a bloodthirsty child with signs of psychopathy, but they would have never been nourished if not for the toxic environment of the favela. Knockout Ned, a truly good guy, becomes a hardened guerrilla fighter. If he had been given another opportunity outside of the violence of the favela, he would have been a productive member of society. The film addresses this by having both characters meet their “karma”, though. ]]> 2023-03-02 22:51:41 UTC https://padlet.com/osvaldocarnalla/hymsxfylll6lzm6h/wish/2501802976