Closing the Gap: How can we support AI-implementation and close the gap between "potential" and "today"? by

Closing the Gap: How can we support AI-implementation and close the gap between "potential" and "today"? by https://padlet.com/niccolasalbiz/hxldz0k0adah91zi What do we see needs to happen in order for the sector / public sector to be able to take the next step? What can my organisation contribute with? What needs do I/my org have in order to contribute? en-us 2021-01-27 16:25:15 UTC 2021-02-03 17:07:13 UTC hello@padlet.com What do we need in order to do this? niccolasalbiz https://padlet.com/niccolasalbiz/hxldz0k0adah91zi/wish/1132453563 ...]]> 2021-01-27 16:26:59 UTC https://padlet.com/niccolasalbiz/hxldz0k0adah91zi/wish/1132453563 What can we contribute with? niccolasalbiz https://padlet.com/niccolasalbiz/hxldz0k0adah91zi/wish/1132455257 ...]]> 2021-01-27 16:27:16 UTC https://padlet.com/niccolasalbiz/hxldz0k0adah91zi/wish/1132455257 What needs to be further developed for the sector to take the next step? niccolasalbiz https://padlet.com/niccolasalbiz/hxldz0k0adah91zi/wish/1132459257 ...]]> 2021-01-27 16:27:58 UTC https://padlet.com/niccolasalbiz/hxldz0k0adah91zi/wish/1132459257 SU/DSV - we need more time to work (i.e. money). petradalunde https://padlet.com/niccolasalbiz/hxldz0k0adah91zi/wish/1157691201 2021-02-03 09:14:20 UTC https://padlet.com/niccolasalbiz/hxldz0k0adah91zi/wish/1157691201 Intersystems - Dependent of what the authorities and lawyers say. Share data is difficult and we try to support on a philantropic level - free of charge. petradalunde https://padlet.com/niccolasalbiz/hxldz0k0adah91zi/wish/1157692942 2021-02-03 09:14:50 UTC https://padlet.com/niccolasalbiz/hxldz0k0adah91zi/wish/1157692942 Research trends, university hospital, cannot do innovation due to current strains, vinutha https://padlet.com/niccolasalbiz/hxldz0k0adah91zi/wish/1157698626 We can setup a pilot that actually mature into full clinical application
Problem owners can actually contribute
The days are over where one company can claim to solve an entire problem ]]> 2021-02-03 09:16:19 UTC https://padlet.com/niccolasalbiz/hxldz0k0adah91zi/wish/1157698626 Peltarion - work a little with public sector within the Research-division. niccolasalbiz https://padlet.com/niccolasalbiz/hxldz0k0adah91zi/wish/1157699036 Public sector is a little more careful with AI implementation. GDPR and other concerns keep people from "daring".
GAP - Legislative Infrastructure.

]]> 2021-02-03 09:16:26 UTC https://padlet.com/niccolasalbiz/hxldz0k0adah91zi/wish/1157699036 It takes very long time for the new legislative conditions is set so we need to proceed with existing lgislation. petradalunde https://padlet.com/niccolasalbiz/hxldz0k0adah91zi/wish/1157703202 2021-02-03 09:17:33 UTC https://padlet.com/niccolasalbiz/hxldz0k0adah91zi/wish/1157703202 IRI - there are very well identified and developed regulations when doing research on AI - but the focus is on applications - which puts us in the ad hoc-corner. petradalunde https://padlet.com/niccolasalbiz/hxldz0k0adah91zi/wish/1157705736 2021-02-03 09:18:14 UTC https://padlet.com/niccolasalbiz/hxldz0k0adah91zi/wish/1157705736 Challenge - The consequences are hard to predict and map. niccolasalbiz https://padlet.com/niccolasalbiz/hxldz0k0adah91zi/wish/1157706889 People are scared in general of when the negative consequences might appear.]]> 2021-02-03 09:18:35 UTC https://padlet.com/niccolasalbiz/hxldz0k0adah91zi/wish/1157706889 Added value of AI is "added objectivity". niccolasalbiz https://padlet.com/niccolasalbiz/hxldz0k0adah91zi/wish/1157709406 Obstacle is the people in the organisations. There is sometimes a sound scepticism and sometimes and overblown scepticism (even though the risks have been treated and mitigated).]]> 2021-02-03 09:19:16 UTC https://padlet.com/niccolasalbiz/hxldz0k0adah91zi/wish/1157709406 Cannot solve the entire puzzle vinutha https://padlet.com/niccolasalbiz/hxldz0k0adah91zi/wish/1157709689 we can do a pilot, thats easy, how do we implement in produciton environment

We have a good starting point for solving problems,

80% or problem solved , but we dont know the use case ]]> 2021-02-03 09:19:21 UTC https://padlet.com/niccolasalbiz/hxldz0k0adah91zi/wish/1157709689 Region Stockholm - Research and development is not my issue but application and usage. I need to get it out to solve problems and add values in the communting mobility and health care. petradalunde https://padlet.com/niccolasalbiz/hxldz0k0adah91zi/wish/1157710101 2021-02-03 09:19:28 UTC https://padlet.com/niccolasalbiz/hxldz0k0adah91zi/wish/1157710101 Added fear of "replacing people". niccolasalbiz https://padlet.com/niccolasalbiz/hxldz0k0adah91zi/wish/1157714257 There is a lack of knowledge or a lagging perception regarding that people will be replaced.
First concern - GDPR
Second...
Third....
Last concern - The fear that it will replace people.

]]> 2021-02-03 09:20:35 UTC https://padlet.com/niccolasalbiz/hxldz0k0adah91zi/wish/1157714257 Visual - project that shows how to use pictures from camera in order to increase the safety of elderly people. Angles, positions aso is very important to ensure privacy. petradalunde https://padlet.com/niccolasalbiz/hxldz0k0adah91zi/wish/1157716203 2021-02-03 09:21:08 UTC https://padlet.com/niccolasalbiz/hxldz0k0adah91zi/wish/1157716203 Interests of all partners need to be taken into account, but there needs to be a reasonable overall goal https://padlet.com/niccolasalbiz/hxldz0k0adah91zi/wish/1157717687 2021-02-03 09:21:33 UTC https://padlet.com/niccolasalbiz/hxldz0k0adah91zi/wish/1157717687 AI Innovation of Sweden - Take the discussion and the general education-assignment. niccolasalbiz https://padlet.com/niccolasalbiz/hxldz0k0adah91zi/wish/1157719383 Regarding the fears of AI. To update the perceptions of what AI can do and will not do. To better treat the fears and the problems.

Better show how we can improve quality and reduce pressure on over-worked personnel.

The challenge is also that each area will have different consequences and risks and benefits.
The "user" needs to be involved in the process.]]> 2021-02-03 09:21:58 UTC https://padlet.com/niccolasalbiz/hxldz0k0adah91zi/wish/1157719383 Region Stockholm - we really need the extra resources to actually do this. AI Sweden has to help us to solve this. petradalunde https://padlet.com/niccolasalbiz/hxldz0k0adah91zi/wish/1157723439 2021-02-03 09:23:06 UTC https://padlet.com/niccolasalbiz/hxldz0k0adah91zi/wish/1157723439 research-side needs to have access to data https://padlet.com/niccolasalbiz/hxldz0k0adah91zi/wish/1157723621 2021-02-03 09:23:09 UTC https://padlet.com/niccolasalbiz/hxldz0k0adah91zi/wish/1157723621 Need for some legal framework that can ease/regulate data/model sharing panagpap https://padlet.com/niccolasalbiz/hxldz0k0adah91zi/wish/1157726033 Synthetic data is one way to go. Federated learning is another way to go.]]> 2021-02-03 09:23:46 UTC https://padlet.com/niccolasalbiz/hxldz0k0adah91zi/wish/1157726033 We need AI Sweden to help us create a sandbox where we can "play" together, learn and take it further towards implementation. petradalunde https://padlet.com/niccolasalbiz/hxldz0k0adah91zi/wish/1157729033 2021-02-03 09:24:28 UTC https://padlet.com/niccolasalbiz/hxldz0k0adah91zi/wish/1157729033 AI Sweden can work as a hub inbetween the different stakeholders, the ones that has solutions and resources and the ones with needs. petradalunde https://padlet.com/niccolasalbiz/hxldz0k0adah91zi/wish/1157731817 2021-02-03 09:25:09 UTC https://padlet.com/niccolasalbiz/hxldz0k0adah91zi/wish/1157731817 Balance between Make things more Effective vs Innovating. niccolasalbiz https://padlet.com/niccolasalbiz/hxldz0k0adah91zi/wish/1157731929 There needs to be a balance between both of these focuses.

The challenge is that users often set an "effectiveness" criteria on the AI efforts prematurely which limits the the ability for them to actually attain the innovations that they aim for.]]> 2021-02-03 09:25:11 UTC https://padlet.com/niccolasalbiz/hxldz0k0adah91zi/wish/1157731929 Use case has no existing solutions in big tech vinutha https://padlet.com/niccolasalbiz/hxldz0k0adah91zi/wish/1157733311 2021-02-03 09:25:35 UTC https://padlet.com/niccolasalbiz/hxldz0k0adah91zi/wish/1157733311 https://www.visuaal-itn.eu https://padlet.com/niccolasalbiz/hxldz0k0adah91zi/wish/1157733985 2021-02-03 09:25:46 UTC https://padlet.com/niccolasalbiz/hxldz0k0adah91zi/wish/1157733985 Support the interdisciplinary aspect with funding .. so we can look at this cases , who can directly talk to clinician tech needs to actual solutions vinutha https://padlet.com/niccolasalbiz/hxldz0k0adah91zi/wish/1157735205 2021-02-03 09:26:06 UTC https://padlet.com/niccolasalbiz/hxldz0k0adah91zi/wish/1157735205 AI Innovation of Sweden - Matchmaker of people who have different competencies. niccolasalbiz https://padlet.com/niccolasalbiz/hxldz0k0adah91zi/wish/1157740084 Main assignment is not educating people in AI.]]> 2021-02-03 09:27:28 UTC https://padlet.com/niccolasalbiz/hxldz0k0adah91zi/wish/1157740084 There is a need for competence-raising. niccolasalbiz https://padlet.com/niccolasalbiz/hxldz0k0adah91zi/wish/1157740865 The general AI-educations that are offered on the market are very basic and don't build actual AI-capacity.
It gives a fake view of that "I know now", but you don't actually have enough competence and knowledge in order to actually implement AI.]]> 2021-02-03 09:27:41 UTC https://padlet.com/niccolasalbiz/hxldz0k0adah91zi/wish/1157740865 AI Sweden - It is very important to not just access the infrastructure but also financing to pay the participants to spend time there. petradalunde https://padlet.com/niccolasalbiz/hxldz0k0adah91zi/wish/1157741931 2021-02-03 09:27:58 UTC https://padlet.com/niccolasalbiz/hxldz0k0adah91zi/wish/1157741931 How can we change the structure of the pilot vinutha https://padlet.com/niccolasalbiz/hxldz0k0adah91zi/wish/1157744195 2021-02-03 09:28:37 UTC https://padlet.com/niccolasalbiz/hxldz0k0adah91zi/wish/1157744195 Identify incentives for governmental agencies beyond the official intention to make more data open. https://padlet.com/niccolasalbiz/hxldz0k0adah91zi/wish/1157744874 2021-02-03 09:28:49 UTC https://padlet.com/niccolasalbiz/hxldz0k0adah91zi/wish/1157744874 IRI - important to not create silo projects and make sure that the projects adds to common "higher" goals. petradalunde https://padlet.com/niccolasalbiz/hxldz0k0adah91zi/wish/1157748664 2021-02-03 09:29:53 UTC https://padlet.com/niccolasalbiz/hxldz0k0adah91zi/wish/1157748664 AI can do things that we have a hard time imagining. niccolasalbiz https://padlet.com/niccolasalbiz/hxldz0k0adah91zi/wish/1157749441 2021-02-03 09:30:06 UTC https://padlet.com/niccolasalbiz/hxldz0k0adah91zi/wish/1157749441 Lexplore - The most happy clients are those that have experienced a change in "their practices" or "ways of working" - cool! (counter intuitive?) niccolasalbiz https://padlet.com/niccolasalbiz/hxldz0k0adah91zi/wish/1157751039 2021-02-03 09:30:32 UTC https://padlet.com/niccolasalbiz/hxldz0k0adah91zi/wish/1157751039 you are solving the siloed use case and hospital unit is already using it, vinutha https://padlet.com/niccolasalbiz/hxldz0k0adah91zi/wish/1157751432 for example,becaue of siloes, we cannot add new datasets that is adjacent ]]> 2021-02-03 09:30:39 UTC https://padlet.com/niccolasalbiz/hxldz0k0adah91zi/wish/1157751432 Need of experience from the data owner side panagpap https://padlet.com/niccolasalbiz/hxldz0k0adah91zi/wish/1157753483 2021-02-03 09:31:16 UTC https://padlet.com/niccolasalbiz/hxldz0k0adah91zi/wish/1157753483 SU DSV - Very difficult when different lawyers at different public organizations do completely different evaluations and say what is and isn't ok to do with data. petradalunde https://padlet.com/niccolasalbiz/hxldz0k0adah91zi/wish/1157753512 2021-02-03 09:31:17 UTC https://padlet.com/niccolasalbiz/hxldz0k0adah91zi/wish/1157753512 AI can challenge the way that we work and that is easier to do for those organisations that are already doing alright. niccolasalbiz https://padlet.com/niccolasalbiz/hxldz0k0adah91zi/wish/1157753884 But the organisations that have the largest need are sometimes the ones that are worst equipped to actually make the change that is needed. (reinforcing dynamics and increases gaps between orgs)
A big problem.]]> 2021-02-03 09:31:24 UTC https://padlet.com/niccolasalbiz/hxldz0k0adah91zi/wish/1157753884 IRI - it is important to define a general way that we all can lean on and use instead of creating silos. petradalunde https://padlet.com/niccolasalbiz/hxldz0k0adah91zi/wish/1157756374 2021-02-03 09:32:10 UTC https://padlet.com/niccolasalbiz/hxldz0k0adah91zi/wish/1157756374 Randomised trial for ML decisions vinutha https://padlet.com/niccolasalbiz/hxldz0k0adah91zi/wish/1157756833 judicial aspects, need to speak the same language as clinicians.. Need sense making. They are used to test RCT ]]> 2021-02-03 09:32:19 UTC https://padlet.com/niccolasalbiz/hxldz0k0adah91zi/wish/1157756833 There are misperceptions regarding how "automatic" AI work can be - often Human-AI interaction. niccolasalbiz https://padlet.com/niccolasalbiz/hxldz0k0adah91zi/wish/1157759896 2021-02-03 09:33:07 UTC https://padlet.com/niccolasalbiz/hxldz0k0adah91zi/wish/1157759896 Changing the way we work is a big challenge which is where we get the large blockage. niccolasalbiz https://padlet.com/niccolasalbiz/hxldz0k0adah91zi/wish/1157761533 This also makes it hard to sell this to the actual clients.
The change will hurt, how do you sell this?]]> 2021-02-03 09:33:34 UTC https://padlet.com/niccolasalbiz/hxldz0k0adah91zi/wish/1157761533 IRI - the different conclutions are made because they have different experiences, backgrounds and educations. Then you do different considerations when the regulatory and legislative situation is so unclear and we don't have a common platform and interpretation i.e. prejudikat. petradalunde https://padlet.com/niccolasalbiz/hxldz0k0adah91zi/wish/1157763934 2021-02-03 09:34:14 UTC https://padlet.com/niccolasalbiz/hxldz0k0adah91zi/wish/1157763934 Willingness from healthcare to accept this new tech vinutha https://padlet.com/niccolasalbiz/hxldz0k0adah91zi/wish/1157765690 In london for example, mayor gives money to support hospital , silos much worse
There is already co operation in Sweden, for example oncology and pathology ]]> 2021-02-03 09:34:42 UTC https://padlet.com/niccolasalbiz/hxldz0k0adah91zi/wish/1157765690 Oftentimes the change can be rather small and the implementation can be done in a step-wise process. niccolasalbiz https://padlet.com/niccolasalbiz/hxldz0k0adah91zi/wish/1157766595 2021-02-03 09:34:56 UTC https://padlet.com/niccolasalbiz/hxldz0k0adah91zi/wish/1157766595 Lexplore doesn't talk "AI" in their client meetings, it is the wrong framing for their client discussions (even if that is the largest value-adding activity ) niccolasalbiz https://padlet.com/niccolasalbiz/hxldz0k0adah91zi/wish/1157769009 2021-02-03 09:35:32 UTC https://padlet.com/niccolasalbiz/hxldz0k0adah91zi/wish/1157769009 IRI - If AI is for real and can change its behaviour it has to be regulated by AI since everything goes so fast. How can we detect change before it has happened. What is acceptable and when is what ok to do? petradalunde https://padlet.com/niccolasalbiz/hxldz0k0adah91zi/wish/1157769721 2021-02-03 09:35:43 UTC https://padlet.com/niccolasalbiz/hxldz0k0adah91zi/wish/1157769721 we need to change and look more for opportunities than problems https://padlet.com/niccolasalbiz/hxldz0k0adah91zi/wish/1157770886 2021-02-03 09:35:55 UTC https://padlet.com/niccolasalbiz/hxldz0k0adah91zi/wish/1157770886 Studies regarding the effectiveness of AI implementation is what is necessary so that we can PROVE IT on a larger scale. IT TAKES TIME and MIGHT REQUIRE MORE PEOPLE niccolasalbiz https://padlet.com/niccolasalbiz/hxldz0k0adah91zi/wish/1157773625 2021-02-03 09:36:35 UTC https://padlet.com/niccolasalbiz/hxldz0k0adah91zi/wish/1157773625 look for long-hanging fruits https://padlet.com/niccolasalbiz/hxldz0k0adah91zi/wish/1157775167 2021-02-03 09:36:58 UTC https://padlet.com/niccolasalbiz/hxldz0k0adah91zi/wish/1157775167 What are the concepts we are trying to prove upstream from pre-clinical trials vinutha https://padlet.com/niccolasalbiz/hxldz0k0adah91zi/wish/1157780105 Not knowing which problems can match the awesome tech to

Picking problem to show off tech rather than picking the right relevant problems

Need orchestration betwene initiatives

Cross pollination across industry

Not so HAIRY projects also have problems getting into production ]]> 2021-02-03 09:38:16 UTC https://padlet.com/niccolasalbiz/hxldz0k0adah91zi/wish/1157780105 complicated to work with large companies/organizations although they have some innovative groups - how to identify them? https://padlet.com/niccolasalbiz/hxldz0k0adah91zi/wish/1157781474 2021-02-03 09:38:38 UTC https://padlet.com/niccolasalbiz/hxldz0k0adah91zi/wish/1157781474 Implementation approach - Look at the problem and their need, and don't mention AI (it is not interesting for the client) niccolasalbiz https://padlet.com/niccolasalbiz/hxldz0k0adah91zi/wish/1157783519 2021-02-03 09:39:10 UTC https://padlet.com/niccolasalbiz/hxldz0k0adah91zi/wish/1157783519 Good Examples, Proof of that it works. niccolasalbiz https://padlet.com/niccolasalbiz/hxldz0k0adah91zi/wish/1157786706 Particularly difficult in Human-run processes. Due to the need to bring people and their behaviours online.

It might be easier in more technical/automatic processes - logistics for example.]]> 2021-02-03 09:39:54 UTC https://padlet.com/niccolasalbiz/hxldz0k0adah91zi/wish/1157786706 A regulatory consequense AI can support us when developing AI solutions. petradalunde https://padlet.com/niccolasalbiz/hxldz0k0adah91zi/wish/1157789541 2021-02-03 09:40:34 UTC https://padlet.com/niccolasalbiz/hxldz0k0adah91zi/wish/1157789541 organizations need to build up some core competence to be a partner/buyer for the service https://padlet.com/niccolasalbiz/hxldz0k0adah91zi/wish/1157792522 2021-02-03 09:41:22 UTC https://padlet.com/niccolasalbiz/hxldz0k0adah91zi/wish/1157792522 KB doesn't allow anyone to take data out of the library (data base). petradalunde https://padlet.com/niccolasalbiz/hxldz0k0adah91zi/wish/1157794725 2021-02-03 09:41:54 UTC https://padlet.com/niccolasalbiz/hxldz0k0adah91zi/wish/1157794725 Region Stockholm - the same thing is talked about here in Region Stockholm and the data we have. petradalunde https://padlet.com/niccolasalbiz/hxldz0k0adah91zi/wish/1157796311 2021-02-03 09:42:16 UTC https://padlet.com/niccolasalbiz/hxldz0k0adah91zi/wish/1157796311 IRI - in an emergency situation the rules and regulations can be overrided at the cost of integrity. petradalunde https://padlet.com/niccolasalbiz/hxldz0k0adah91zi/wish/1157799055 2021-02-03 09:42:57 UTC https://padlet.com/niccolasalbiz/hxldz0k0adah91zi/wish/1157799055 vinutha https://padlet.com/niccolasalbiz/hxldz0k0adah91zi/wish/1157804998 Investor is playing ]]> 2021-02-03 09:44:31 UTC https://padlet.com/niccolasalbiz/hxldz0k0adah91zi/wish/1157804998 What does AI Innovation of Sweden add further beyond the already existing bilateral agreements and collaborations. niccolasalbiz https://padlet.com/niccolasalbiz/hxldz0k0adah91zi/wish/1157805106 Past the Original matchmaking.]]> 2021-02-03 09:44:33 UTC https://padlet.com/niccolasalbiz/hxldz0k0adah91zi/wish/1157805106 SU DSV - We get requests of accessing large amounts of data just to see what they generate when training on them. Here AI Sweden can help out and arrange hackathons if a data set owner would like to see what is possible. petradalunde https://padlet.com/niccolasalbiz/hxldz0k0adah91zi/wish/1157806656 2021-02-03 09:44:58 UTC https://padlet.com/niccolasalbiz/hxldz0k0adah91zi/wish/1157806656 Health research is validated through randomized trials https://padlet.com/niccolasalbiz/hxldz0k0adah91zi/wish/1157811015 Here is a long-term learning project at Karolinska (funded by VR and EP-Stiftelsen) which is now in RCT phase, which can happen in Sweden and not in so many other countries IMO:
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s13748-019-00192-0

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