Antigone Themes by Kelsey Bull https://padlet.com/kbull9/hsfonxmne4xhej2i en-us 2020-11-16 03:35:24 UTC 2021-04-19 04:50:19 UTC hello@padlet.com THEMES kbull9 https://padlet.com/kbull9/hsfonxmne4xhej2i/wish/1405148526 -socio-cultural, political and religious implications
-gender-role from feminist point of view
-the conflicts of individual versus state
-conscience versus law
-moral or divine law versus human law

]]> 2021-04-11 23:55:54 UTC https://padlet.com/kbull9/hsfonxmne4xhej2i/wish/1405148526 Theme of political implication (Eric) https://padlet.com/kbull9/hsfonxmne4xhej2i/wish/1405163117 "Antigone:
'Creon, what more do you want than my death?'
Creon:
'Nothing
That gives me everything'" (209-210)

Although this is very unlikely to be intended by the author, there is a connection between this quote and the modern day political culture of blocking just for the sake of blocking: politicians are only blocking another party's bills just because it's from the other party and not because it is beneficial or not to the society. Doing so is how they gain power from the people, just like how Creon will have gained his authority by killing Antigone.


]]> 2021-04-12 00:05:10 UTC https://padlet.com/kbull9/hsfonxmne4xhej2i/wish/1405163117 Morality vs LAW anderson cheche22 https://padlet.com/kbull9/hsfonxmne4xhej2i/wish/1405163337 You know your orders: take her to the vault and leave her alone there. And if she lives or dies, that’s her affair, not ours: our hands are clean.”  page 220
(Creon thinks he doesn't need to take moral responsibility if it is the law causes the death of  Antigone

“That is what they say, and our good Creon is coming here to announce it publicly; and the penalty–stoning to death in the public square! There it is, and now you can prove what you are: a true sister, or a traitor to your family.” page 190  ]]> 2021-04-12 00:05:17 UTC https://padlet.com/kbull9/hsfonxmne4xhej2i/wish/1405163337 moral/divine law vs human law (Sammi) samshi22 https://padlet.com/kbull9/hsfonxmne4xhej2i/wish/1405163436 "You may do as you like,
Since apparently the laws of the gods mean nothing to you" (192).
Context: Antigone wants to bury Polyneices and Ismene is refusing to help.
Morals are referred to as the laws of gods and the contrast between moral law and human law is shown. Ismene had been stressing on the word "law" and showed that she cared a lot about law. The quote, however, uses the same word choice of "law" and presents a contrast.]]> 2021-04-12 00:05:20 UTC https://padlet.com/kbull9/hsfonxmne4xhej2i/wish/1405163436 Gender-role from feminist point of view - Paula https://padlet.com/kbull9/hsfonxmne4xhej2i/wish/1405163518 - “Therefore we must defend the men who live by the law, never let some women triumph over us” /  “we two are women so not to fight with men”

- Creon's insistence on the dominance of men in political authority over what he thinks would be uncontrolled female disobedience is what would destroy the city. The inferiority of women is seen as the norm in society and he wants to keep it that way. Also on a individual level of character development, you can see how Creon's pride gets in the way of his rationale and decision making, which later on in the story, would have tragic outcomes

]]> 2021-04-12 00:05:23 UTC https://padlet.com/kbull9/hsfonxmne4xhej2i/wish/1405163518 Relationship between god and humans - Jonathan https://padlet.com/kbull9/hsfonxmne4xhej2i/wish/1405163695 “The gods are deaf when we pray to them, their fire  recoils from out offering”(232)
Religious implications that god hold more power over the humans, even though there is conflict between human law and god's divine law. God's law will overrule the human law. Shows that humans must take humble attitude towards god demonstrating a sense of superiority. Shows that community is highly religious. ]]> 2021-04-12 00:05:30 UTC https://padlet.com/kbull9/hsfonxmne4xhej2i/wish/1405163695 law vs morality jai jaichi22 https://padlet.com/kbull9/hsfonxmne4xhej2i/wish/1405163953 “the law is strong, we must give into the law in this thing, and in worse. I beg the dead to forgive me, but I am helpless: I must yield to those in authority. And I think it is dangerous business to be always meddling” (192)

the idea of obedience required to the state as a top priority, through fear of retribution, not through allegiance to the state or respect of authority but through fear. fear of divine retribution less realistic despite strong religious beliefs at the time.


]]> 2021-04-12 00:05:39 UTC https://padlet.com/kbull9/hsfonxmne4xhej2i/wish/1405163953 Gender-role - Allison allche221 https://padlet.com/kbull9/hsfonxmne4xhej2i/wish/1405164062 “Who is the man here, She or I if this crime goes unpunished? (page 209)”
- There is a constant need for Creon to be superior. He uses the authority of the law to project his masculinity as well as to punish women who do not follow the society's "expectations" of women.
- Antigone can be thought of as a feminist. She is determined and knows clearly what she believes is right and stands up for herself, even at the cost of her life. She was able to declare her beliefs strongly before King Creon.
- Her reason to bury her brother Polynices is because of her strong beliefs in the laws of nature (or God/religion). This shows that she is not burying her brother as a “duty.”
- Antigone vs. Ismene - they are foil characters (at least in the beginning). Ismene was more conservative and obedient to the law of the state. She is juxtaposed to Antigone, who obviously has her own perspective on what is right/wrong.]]> 2021-04-12 00:05:43 UTC https://padlet.com/kbull9/hsfonxmne4xhej2i/wish/1405164062 Religious Implications in Antigone (Wilson) wilche221 https://padlet.com/kbull9/hsfonxmne4xhej2i/wish/1405164657 Creon: "Get out of your heads entirely?" The gods!" Intolerable! The gods favor this corpse? Why? How bad he served them? - 201 (Scene 1)

Acting as the authority who actually have power than the King himself. Later on, decisions were made due to religions... Money (taxes)

]]> 2021-04-12 00:06:05 UTC https://padlet.com/kbull9/hsfonxmne4xhej2i/wish/1405164657 Moral or divine law vs. human law -- Yumi https://padlet.com/kbull9/hsfonxmne4xhej2i/wish/1405165217 -"But I will bury him; and if I must die, I say that this crime is holy: I shall lie down with him in death, and I shall be as dear to him as he to me" (192). 
- Antigone defies King Creon because she believes that she has the right to give her brother a respectful burial.]]> 2021-04-12 00:06:26 UTC https://padlet.com/kbull9/hsfonxmne4xhej2i/wish/1405165217 Civil Disobedience (Yuming) https://padlet.com/kbull9/hsfonxmne4xhej2i/wish/1405165900 Creon stated that laws that are enacted by the leader of the city "must be obeyed , large and small, right or wrong." Scene 3
Antigone, however, believes that some laws are unjust.

]]> 2021-04-12 00:06:50 UTC https://padlet.com/kbull9/hsfonxmne4xhej2i/wish/1405165900 Familial Duties in Political and Religious Implications (as well as relation to Feminist perspectives) - William wilyeh22 https://padlet.com/kbull9/hsfonxmne4xhej2i/wish/1405166755 Antigone:
"Listen, Ismene:
Creon buried our brother Eteocles
With military honors, gave him a soldier's funeral,
And it was right that he should; but Polyneices,
Who fought as bravely and died as miserably, --
They say that Creon has sworn
No one shall bury him, no one mourn for him,
But his body must lie in the fields, a sweet treasure
For carrion birds to find as they search for food.
That is what they say, and our good Creon is
coming here
To announce it publicly; and the penalty --
Stoning to death in the public square!
There it is,
And now you can prove what you are:
A true sister, or a traitor to your family" (190).

 - Familial duties not so much as political agenda or moral obligations as Antigone's motivations (from the outset).
 - Familial obligations seen as morality; this is the morality which initially is pitted against Creon's politically driven "moral" obligations
 - Feminist perspective of daughter's duties: Antigone and Ismene in the political picture was valued only in marriage, making their defiance a taboo of sorts
 - As seen in Oedipus at Colonus, Antigone also has a strong emotional connection to Oedipus: the role of the dutiful daughter plays over in her motivation]]> 2021-04-12 00:07:23 UTC https://padlet.com/kbull9/hsfonxmne4xhej2i/wish/1405166755 Law vs Morality jeryen22 https://padlet.com/kbull9/hsfonxmne4xhej2i/wish/1405169410 "The law is strong, we must give in to the law. In this thing, and in worse. I beg the Dead To forgive me, but I am helpless: I must yield To those in Authority. And I think it is dangerous business To be always meddling."
The people are slaves to the rules that their new king gives them. They know that if they do not comply they will face death.]]> 2021-04-12 00:08:59 UTC https://padlet.com/kbull9/hsfonxmne4xhej2i/wish/1405169410 Family(Individual as well) and the State - BH https://padlet.com/kbull9/hsfonxmne4xhej2i/wish/1405170719 "And now you prove what you are: A true sister, or a traitor to your family." (p.190)
Greek stories, and Greek Tragedy, usually has this theme of self-interest versus the literal power of fate. But instead in this case(even though the presence of this power still exists), there's this dilemma of individual, and essentially family vs the state. We see in the quote the ultimatum Antigone offers to her sister Ismene, to help her bury the body or to not. But here, because the separation between state and family isn't so clear cut, it is no longer just individual vs the state, but also a situation of individual vs individual, family vs individual, and family vs family.

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