DBQ evidence: p. 5 by Catherine Sullivan https://padlet.com/csullivan39/hl98s22mnc4 en-us 2018-02-26 21:44:08 UTC 2018-02-27 21:40:28 UTC hello@padlet.com Sydney K. Fong https://padlet.com/csullivan39/hl98s22mnc4/wish/235649312 For instance, the article states, " Citizens could own property, but not vote or hold public office." (Doc A)]]> 2018-02-26 21:45:36 UTC https://padlet.com/csullivan39/hl98s22mnc4/wish/235649312 Kayla Armstrong https://padlet.com/csullivan39/hl98s22mnc4/wish/235649326 For instance, the speech by Claudius, Emperor of Rome in 48 CE, says, “In Athens, once citizenship was granted, citizens enjoyed equal rights and full participation. ” (Doc. C).]]> 2018-02-26 21:45:38 UTC https://padlet.com/csullivan39/hl98s22mnc4/wish/235649326 Mason D. https://padlet.com/csullivan39/hl98s22mnc4/wish/235649365 For instance, the council of 500 was made up of the common people and they were chosen by the lotto, but the people could’ve made Athens fall because they thought of an idea that might have been good at the time, but it actually might have made Athens become a worse city state than it actually was, “Athenians chose their officials, including the Council of 500 (an executive committee that oversaw the Assembly), by the lot from general citizenry” (Doc. E).

]]> 2018-02-26 21:45:45 UTC https://padlet.com/csullivan39/hl98s22mnc4/wish/235649365 Jackson E. https://padlet.com/csullivan39/hl98s22mnc4/wish/235649373 Additionally, Rome had the better system of citizenship requirements than Athens did. Also, Rome was more flexible in granting citizenship. For example, the chart comparing Athens and Rome lists, only free native-born adult males could be granted citizenship in Athens, while everyone but slaves and freed slaves could not become a citizen in Rome. (Doc A, Doc C).]]> 2018-02-26 21:45:48 UTC https://padlet.com/csullivan39/hl98s22mnc4/wish/235649373 Katie Ellsworth https://padlet.com/csullivan39/hl98s22mnc4/wish/235649376 According to Claudius, "...Once citizenship was granted [in Athens], citizens enjoyed equal rights and full political participation." (Doc C)]]> 2018-02-26 21:45:48 UTC https://padlet.com/csullivan39/hl98s22mnc4/wish/235649376 Ann Chen https://padlet.com/csullivan39/hl98s22mnc4/wish/235649377 For instance, illustration from The Greek World by Anton Powell, it states, " All of Athens's 40,000 citizens were eligible to attend, though travel made that difficult. ]]> 2018-02-26 21:45:48 UTC https://padlet.com/csullivan39/hl98s22mnc4/wish/235649377 Sierra Cunningham https://padlet.com/csullivan39/hl98s22mnc4/wish/235649397 For example, from a speech by Claudius, Emperor of Rome, he declared in 48 CE, "In Athens, once citizenship was granted, citizens enjoyed equal rights and full political particitpation." (Doc C). While on the other hand, Romans did not have equal rights: "The Romans more freely gave it away. But they gave it away in measured amounts." (Doc C)]]> 2018-02-26 21:45:51 UTC https://padlet.com/csullivan39/hl98s22mnc4/wish/235649397 Jon Silvestri https://padlet.com/csullivan39/hl98s22mnc4/wish/235649406 For instance, an illustration from The Greek World explains “Athenians choose their officials including the council of 500… by lot from the general citizenry” (Doc. E).]]> 2018-02-26 21:45:53 UTC https://padlet.com/csullivan39/hl98s22mnc4/wish/235649406 Makenna Farley https://padlet.com/csullivan39/hl98s22mnc4/wish/235649450 For instance, “Document A” states, “[Citizens] first, had to complete education and two years of military training before being granted citizenship” (Doc. A). ]]> 2018-02-26 21:46:00 UTC https://padlet.com/csullivan39/hl98s22mnc4/wish/235649450 Samantha A. S. 256778 https://padlet.com/csullivan39/hl98s22mnc4/wish/235649497  For instance, “The Polity of Athenians” by the Old Oligarch states, “... [I]f the poor and the common people and the worst elements are treated well, the growth of these classes will exalt [glorify] the democracy... ” (Doc. B). Clearly, Athens cared about the equality of the people. As the Old Oligarch claimed, the poor, common people, and the worst elements can help the government thrive and flourish.]]> 2018-02-26 21:46:07 UTC https://padlet.com/csullivan39/hl98s22mnc4/wish/235649497 Hanbin W https://padlet.com/csullivan39/hl98s22mnc4/wish/235649504  For instance, from a speech by Claudius after conquering the Gauls, he makes it clear that “The Romans will give away citizenship more freely unlike the Athenians, but they (Romans) will do so in measured amounts.” (Doc. C).]]> 2018-02-26 21:46:07 UTC https://padlet.com/csullivan39/hl98s22mnc4/wish/235649504 Lily R. https://padlet.com/csullivan39/hl98s22mnc4/wish/235649530 The Romans, on the other hand, gave away citizenship in measured amounts, but to more people (Doc C). Emperor Claudius of Rome replied to criticism for granting citizenship to the conquered people of Gaul, “‘What was the ruin of Sparta and Athens, but this, that mighty as they were in war, they spurned from them as aliens [foreigners] those whom they had conquered? Our founder Romulus, on the other hand, was so wise that he fought as enemies and then hailed as fellow-citizens several nations on the very same day.’” (Doc C). ]]> 2018-02-26 21:46:12 UTC https://padlet.com/csullivan39/hl98s22mnc4/wish/235649530 Leia F. https://padlet.com/csullivan39/hl98s22mnc4/wish/235649588 For instance, , the Greek Emperor, stated, ¨The Romans more freely gave it away. But they gave it away in measured amounts.¨ (Doc, C).]]> 2018-02-26 21:46:23 UTC https://padlet.com/csullivan39/hl98s22mnc4/wish/235649588 Santiago Olsen https://padlet.com/csullivan39/hl98s22mnc4/wish/235649597 For instance, “This being so, it seems right that all should have a share in offices filled by lot [lottery] or by election, and that any citizen who wishes should be allowed to speak.  ” (Doc. B).]]> 2018-02-26 21:46:24 UTC https://padlet.com/csullivan39/hl98s22mnc4/wish/235649597 Rylee M. Delligatta https://padlet.com/csullivan39/hl98s22mnc4/wish/235649614 Claudius states in a speech, “... the Athenians were more stingy with their citizenship. The Romans more freely gave it away. But they [Athenians] gave it away in measured amounts.” (Doc C).


]]> 2018-02-26 21:46:28 UTC https://padlet.com/csullivan39/hl98s22mnc4/wish/235649614 Maddie C. https://padlet.com/csullivan39/hl98s22mnc4/wish/235649653 Additionally, Rome’s government was smaller than Athens’ but it was more organised. For example, the fresco of the Roman Senate also wrote “Though it started as an advisory body to Roman kings, by the third century BCE, the Senate had full governing power in Rome” (Doc F).]]> 2018-02-26 21:46:35 UTC https://padlet.com/csullivan39/hl98s22mnc4/wish/235649653 Logan Hannon https://padlet.com/csullivan39/hl98s22mnc4/wish/235649664 For instance, in Diodorus Siculus, History, Book XI states “Each citizen wrote the name of the man who in his opinion had the greatest power to destroy the democracy… who got the most amount… [went] into exile for a period of ten years.” (Doc.D).]]> 2018-02-26 21:46:37 UTC https://padlet.com/csullivan39/hl98s22mnc4/wish/235649664 Tyler Cordova https://padlet.com/csullivan39/hl98s22mnc4/wish/235649678 For instance, in a speech by Claudius, Emperor of Rome, he recalled,  “‘What was the ruin of Sparta and Athens, but this, that mighty as they were in war, they spurned from them as aliens [foreigners] those whom they had conquered? Our founder Romulus, on the other hand, was so wise that he fought as enemies and then hailed as fellow-citizens several nations on the very same day’” (Doc. C).]]> 2018-02-26 21:46:39 UTC https://padlet.com/csullivan39/hl98s22mnc4/wish/235649678 Paul Campos:/ https://padlet.com/csullivan39/hl98s22mnc4/wish/235649679 In an illustration by Anton Powell, it explains, “All of the Athens 400 citizens were eligible to attend [the Athenian Assembly]” (Doc. E). ]]> 2018-02-26 21:46:39 UTC https://padlet.com/csullivan39/hl98s22mnc4/wish/235649679 Emily Amaya https://padlet.com/csullivan39/hl98s22mnc4/wish/235649762  For instance, “In other words, Athenians were more stingy with their citizenship. The Romans more freely gave it away. But they gave it away in measured amounts.” (Doc C).]]> 2018-02-26 21:46:53 UTC https://padlet.com/csullivan39/hl98s22mnc4/wish/235649762 Madison Hayes https://padlet.com/csullivan39/hl98s22mnc4/wish/235649768 Additionally, Romans had a great government called the Roman Republic. For example, the Roman Republic had a senate that had many responsibilities. The illustration, painted by Cesare Maccari shows, “The Senate had primary responsibilities for foreign relations, including selecting ambassadors, making treaties, and creating alliances.”(Doc F). ]]> 2018-02-26 21:46:54 UTC https://padlet.com/csullivan39/hl98s22mnc4/wish/235649768 Toby Kim 256795 https://padlet.com/csullivan39/hl98s22mnc4/wish/235649836 Primarily, Athens had a better responsibilities for the people. For instance, in Doc.E, it explains “All Athen’s citizens were able to come to the assembly. “Unlike rome, all of Athens citizens were able to come” while Rome, did not let everybody come to the assembly. Clearly, Athens had better responsibilities for their people.]]> 2018-02-26 21:47:06 UTC https://padlet.com/csullivan39/hl98s22mnc4/wish/235649836 Abigail Braun https://padlet.com/csullivan39/hl98s22mnc4/wish/235649849  As an example, in an illustration by Anton Powell, captions state, “All of Athens 40,000 citizens were eligible to attend [the government decisions].” (Doc E).]]> 2018-02-26 21:47:09 UTC https://padlet.com/csullivan39/hl98s22mnc4/wish/235649849 Joey Del Crognale ;) https://padlet.com/csullivan39/hl98s22mnc4/wish/235649986 For example, Rome used censors to control every man's power in the government and can promote the person or demote them. (Doc. D)]]> 2018-02-26 21:47:32 UTC https://padlet.com/csullivan39/hl98s22mnc4/wish/235649986 Aubrey E. https://padlet.com/csullivan39/hl98s22mnc4/wish/235650002 In a speech by Claudius, Emperor of Rome, it is evident that, “In Athens, once citizenship was granted, citizens enjoyed equal rights and full political participation… the Athenians were more stingy with their citizenship. The Romans more freely gave it away. But they gave it away in measured amounts” (Document C). ]]> 2018-02-26 21:47:36 UTC https://padlet.com/csullivan39/hl98s22mnc4/wish/235650002 Maddie C. https://padlet.com/csullivan39/hl98s22mnc4/wish/235650146 Primarily, Rome is strong because they didn’t allow their people to have many rights. For instance, in a fresco of the Roman Senate painted by Italian artist Cesare Maccari, it is evident that “Members of the Roman Senate served for life. They usually came from the oldest Roman families and inherited their seats” (Doc F).]]> 2018-02-26 21:48:05 UTC https://padlet.com/csullivan39/hl98s22mnc4/wish/235650146 Faith Garcia https://padlet.com/csullivan39/hl98s22mnc4/wish/235650162 For instance, "...citizens enjoyed equal rights and full political participation" (Doc. C).]]> 2018-02-26 21:48:09 UTC https://padlet.com/csullivan39/hl98s22mnc4/wish/235650162 Emma Perron :/ https://padlet.com/csullivan39/hl98s22mnc4/wish/235650247 For example, Claudius, Emperor of Rome, stated “The Romans more freely gave it away. But they gave it away in measured amounts.” (Doc C). ]]> 2018-02-26 21:48:26 UTC https://padlet.com/csullivan39/hl98s22mnc4/wish/235650247 Maddie Cervantes https://padlet.com/csullivan39/hl98s22mnc4/wish/235650384 While some may argue that Athens have a better citizenship, it should be noted that the Romans allowed more people to become citizens. For instance, in the chart created from various sources it shows that native born women, sons of freed slaves, native born male children and female children at birth could become citizens. But in Athens, only free native born adult males could become citizens (Doc. A).]]> 2018-02-26 21:48:53 UTC https://padlet.com/csullivan39/hl98s22mnc4/wish/235650384 Shannon D. https://padlet.com/csullivan39/hl98s22mnc4/wish/235650495 Additionally, Roman’s rights and responsibilities were much more preferable. For example, “In other words, the Athenians were more stingy with their citizenship. The Romans more freely gave it away. But they gave it away in measured amounts.”  
(Doc C). 

]]> 2018-02-26 21:49:17 UTC https://padlet.com/csullivan39/hl98s22mnc4/wish/235650495 Sarah Richey While some may argue that the Romans let a wide variety of people become citizens, it should be noted that not all of the citizens had the same amount of authority and equality in Athens. For instance, from a speech titled “The Polity of Athenians” by The Old Oligarch, circa 424 BCE it says ”...any citizen who wishes should be allowed to speak.” https://padlet.com/csullivan39/hl98s22mnc4/wish/235650679 2018-02-26 21:49:50 UTC https://padlet.com/csullivan39/hl98s22mnc4/wish/235650679 Kylie T https://padlet.com/csullivan39/hl98s22mnc4/wish/235650862 A speech by Claudius, Emperor of Rome, states, "The Romans more freely gave it [citizenship] away. But they gave it away in measured amounts" (Doc C)

]]> 2018-02-26 21:50:31 UTC https://padlet.com/csullivan39/hl98s22mnc4/wish/235650862 Ethan J https://padlet.com/csullivan39/hl98s22mnc4/wish/235689250 Primarily, Athens was better because each citizen had equal rights. For instance, Claudius, Emperor of Rome stated in a speech, “ In Athens, once citizenship was granted, citizens enjoyed equal rights and full political participation. ” (Doc. C). ]]> 2018-02-27 00:53:44 UTC https://padlet.com/csullivan39/hl98s22mnc4/wish/235689250 Quinn O. https://padlet.com/csullivan39/hl98s22mnc4/wish/235701639   Also, in a fresco of Rome’s government by Cesare Maccari it is written that “The Senate (the Roman Senate) had primarily responsibilities for foreign relations, including selecting ambassadors, making treaties, and creating alliances”(Doc. F). ]]> 2018-02-27 01:53:34 UTC https://padlet.com/csullivan39/hl98s22mnc4/wish/235701639 Paul Campos :/ https://padlet.com/csullivan39/hl98s22mnc4/wish/236174018 2018-02-27 21:33:37 UTC https://padlet.com/csullivan39/hl98s22mnc4/wish/236174018 Anna Manthei https://padlet.com/csullivan39/hl98s22mnc4/wish/236176212 An image showing an Athenian meeting depicts, “Athenians chose their officials, including the council of 500  ” (Doc. E, an illustration from the greek world by Anton Powell). ]]> 2018-02-27 21:40:12 UTC https://padlet.com/csullivan39/hl98s22mnc4/wish/236176212