https://padlet.com/bshores5_1/hgfuqrnh2x1yt8vk With your group, share your quotes and responses for each partner's section of reading supporting the claim that music lyrics and poetry are different. Include your names. en-us 2022-03-22 16:30:56 UTC 2022-03-25 05:52:52 UTC hello@padlet.com https://padlet.net/icons/png/1f3b6.png oropeza34883 https://padlet.com/bshores5_1/hgfuqrnh2x1yt8vk/wish/2108403460 "Poems are taught (for better or worse) in classrooms and made a part of the canon of literature, whereas songs, especially popular ones, usually are not". In school kids are taught how to read,write ,and annotate poems but in school kids are NOT taught how to write songs . If poems were songs then we would learn how to write and read them. -Celestethebest!!!! ]]> 2022-03-22 21:14:29 UTC https://padlet.com/bshores5_1/hgfuqrnh2x1yt8vk/wish/2108403460 diaz34523 https://padlet.com/bshores5_1/hgfuqrnh2x1yt8vk/wish/2108414254 This artical confuses me . It starts off makeing me belive that songs arent poems but the second part talks about both . I think that it depends on the song . A quote from the artical that made me think that they werent poems is , " as musicians like Will Oldham and David Byrne have recently pointed out, lyrics take place in the context of a lot of deliberate musical information: melody, rhythm, instrumentation, the quality of the singer’'s voice, other qualities of the recording, etc. Without all that musical information, lyrics usually do not function as well, precisely because they were intentionally designed that way."]]> 2022-03-22 21:23:35 UTC https://padlet.com/bshores5_1/hgfuqrnh2x1yt8vk/wish/2108414254 regalado35053_1_1 https://padlet.com/bshores5_1/hgfuqrnh2x1yt8vk/wish/2108416979 “When a lyricist tries to carry a thought into the next melodic phrase, it usually creates confusion, since there is a disconnect between the melodic roadmap and grammatical structure.” The statement from part one of article two is correct because if a lyricist tries to use what a poet does, it doesn’t transfer well in the genre of music. In addition, lyrics depend heavily on repeating content and poems go from line to line, which makes them different and works differently overall. Lastly, referring back to the quote, the grammatical structure of both topics separates them heavily. Poems can end on one line with rhyming, but don’t signify the end.]]> 2022-03-22 21:26:06 UTC https://padlet.com/bshores5_1/hgfuqrnh2x1yt8vk/wish/2108416979 ong34570 https://padlet.com/bshores5_1/hgfuqrnh2x1yt8vk/wish/2108417666 "Poets can depend on the readers being able to stop and go back, even to look up words while reading the poem. A lyricist can’t."(writer's digest staff). Poets are able to hide more subtle messages in their words because the reader is able to go back and scan over it. On the contrary, lyricists need to use plays on words and direct messages to deliver their message because listeners can't listen/analyze while the song is going. ]]> 2022-03-22 21:26:45 UTC https://padlet.com/bshores5_1/hgfuqrnh2x1yt8vk/wish/2108417666 benavidessandoval35010 https://padlet.com/bshores5_1/hgfuqrnh2x1yt8vk/wish/2108417876 "Poets can depend on the readers being able to stop and go back, even to look up words while reading the poem. A lyricist can’t." Poems tend to be easier to analyze, and are able carry thoughts from one line to another. Lyrics are more difficult to do that. There is no going back when trying analyze the lyrics and can bring confusion if there is another thought being brought from a phrase to the next. It just wouldn't work.

]]> 2022-03-22 21:26:59 UTC https://padlet.com/bshores5_1/hgfuqrnh2x1yt8vk/wish/2108417876 https://padlet.com/bshores5_1/hgfuqrnh2x1yt8vk/wish/2108419002 "Words in a poem take place against the context of silence (or maybe an espresso maker, depending on the reading series), whereas, as musicians like Will Oldham and David Byrne have recently pointed out, lyrics take place in the context of a lot of deliberate musical information: melody, rhythm, instrumentation," My group agrees with my quote in a literal nature because lyrics are literally made to be recited with the accompaniment of other musical elements. ]]> 2022-03-22 21:28:12 UTC https://padlet.com/bshores5_1/hgfuqrnh2x1yt8vk/wish/2108419002 lema35298 https://padlet.com/bshores5_1/hgfuqrnh2x1yt8vk/wish/2108420311 "Lyrics are far more dependent on regular rhythm than poems" My group and I disagree because lyrics have the right to manipulate words but poems can't. Poems don't need a rhythm to work while songs do as they follow a stricter guideline to make the song work and sound better.]]> 2022-03-22 21:29:28 UTC https://padlet.com/bshores5_1/hgfuqrnh2x1yt8vk/wish/2108420311 solorio35130 https://padlet.com/bshores5_1/hgfuqrnh2x1yt8vk/wish/2108421003 "By holding poetry to a literary standard, and either granting or denying that standard to song lyrics, we locate the worth of an artistic endeavor in the most superficial qualities of language, ones that are actually peripheral to what makes a poem worthwhile". The author claims that holding poetry to a literal standard undermines the overall meaning of Poetry. Furthermore, while song and poetry have similar mannerisms, they do not have the heart and emotion of a poem, of which makes it so worthwhile.]]> 2022-03-22 21:30:07 UTC https://padlet.com/bshores5_1/hgfuqrnh2x1yt8vk/wish/2108421003 rivera35128 https://padlet.com/bshores5_1/hgfuqrnh2x1yt8vk/wish/2108421437 "What I suppose some musicians want is not to be considered poets, but for their lyrics to be read with the same respect they imagine poems are." We do agree with this statement, if songwriters wanted to pursue a career as a poet, they would. They write their lyrics to be enjoyed through a musical sense and not as literature. All they seek is respect for their own version of art.

]]> 2022-03-22 21:30:32 UTC https://padlet.com/bshores5_1/hgfuqrnh2x1yt8vk/wish/2108421437 https://padlet.com/bshores5_1/hgfuqrnh2x1yt8vk/wish/2108421459 "It seems to me far more productive to ask how lyrics in songs relate to musical information, and how poems relate to the silences (cultural and actual) that surround them, and to recognize that lyrics and poetry, while different genres with different forces and imperatives, have both more and less in common than we might think, and are endeavors of equal value."
Poems and song lyrics both express messages however that does not make them the same thing. In order to create a song you must go through a different process and even then it changes with style. ]]> 2022-03-22 21:30:34 UTC https://padlet.com/bshores5_1/hgfuqrnh2x1yt8vk/wish/2108421459 llagunomaldonado34713 https://padlet.com/bshores5_1/hgfuqrnh2x1yt8vk/wish/2108422434 "There are many other differences, but this ought to suffice to quell the often heard claim, “Her lyrics are pure poetry.” No, they aren’t, though they are likely written in fresh, interesting language, using images and metaphor effectively." While arguing the structural differences, the author manages to show the similarities of lyrics and poems. Poetry uses images and metaphors to create an atmosphere that can give off a certain impression or message such as a song would. ]]> 2022-03-22 21:31:27 UTC https://padlet.com/bshores5_1/hgfuqrnh2x1yt8vk/wish/2108422434 benavidez34935_1_1 https://padlet.com/bshores5_1/hgfuqrnh2x1yt8vk/wish/2108422822 "The vast majority of poems, whether fixed form, blank verse, or free verse, are linear journeys, moving from idea to idea, line to line, until the end." Proving that there are many varieties of poems such as rhyming, haiku's, odes, free verses, blackouts, etc.. Whereas songs have lyrics that only have rhyming. Agreeing that even though many songs and poems show feeling and emotions but the structure of the poems and lyrics are completely different.]]> 2022-03-22 21:31:53 UTC https://padlet.com/bshores5_1/hgfuqrnh2x1yt8vk/wish/2108422822 ocaranzacadena35149 https://padlet.com/bshores5_1/hgfuqrnh2x1yt8vk/wish/2108423612  "It is certainly true that poems are taught (for better or worse) in classrooms and made a part of the canon of literature, whereas songs, especially popular ones, usually are not. " Poems are taught in school for good but they should also study songs because there are plenty of songs that are poems or a type of poem. -Carlos Ocaranza]]> 2022-03-22 21:32:40 UTC https://padlet.com/bshores5_1/hgfuqrnh2x1yt8vk/wish/2108423612 rodriguez35022 https://padlet.com/bshores5_1/hgfuqrnh2x1yt8vk/wish/2108424085 " Because the song is aimed at the ear, when a lyricist tries to carry a thought into the next melodic phrase, it usually creates confusion, since there's a disconnect between the melodic roadmap and grammatical structure." My group agrees with the quote because it's talking about the literal sense of how they're different, how ones made to affect the brain and the other for the ears. ]]> 2022-03-22 21:33:11 UTC https://padlet.com/bshores5_1/hgfuqrnh2x1yt8vk/wish/2108424085 gabriel35124 https://padlet.com/bshores5_1/hgfuqrnh2x1yt8vk/wish/2108426797 "There are many other differences, but this ought to suffice to quell the often heard claim, “Her lyrics are pure poetry.” " I agree because when an artist writes lyrics they can make poetry with it. For example they use their lyrics to make images in peoples heads or so they can see what the artist wants them to visualize.]]> 2022-03-22 21:36:00 UTC https://padlet.com/bshores5_1/hgfuqrnh2x1yt8vk/wish/2108426797 hignel35211 https://padlet.com/bshores5_1/hgfuqrnh2x1yt8vk/wish/2108426878 "They might sometimes accidentally function like poems when taken out of a musical context, but abstracting lyrics from musical information is misleading and beside the point." This article mislead me because, in the beginning, they explained how Poetry flows with the music, and without music, poetry would not function the same. Then it goes on to explain how music can accidentally be taken out of a poem and be misleading. Half my group agrees and disagrees because some disagree that the structure of poems have a completely different structure than song lyrics. And some people agree that the musical flow and the words that are meant behind songs are poems.]]> 2022-03-22 21:36:03 UTC https://padlet.com/bshores5_1/hgfuqrnh2x1yt8vk/wish/2108426878 https://padlet.com/bshores5_1/hgfuqrnh2x1yt8vk/wish/2108426951 "The overwhelming majority of English poetry is written in 4-5 stress lines (on a foundation of iambic pentameter). The only lyric form consistently employing 5-stress lines is blues. " The author clearly thought that how many times certain words are stressed and the significant gap between the amount of stressed words of lyrics and poetry is a huge deal. If songs are poems they should be said the same way. 

]]> 2022-03-22 21:36:07 UTC https://padlet.com/bshores5_1/hgfuqrnh2x1yt8vk/wish/2108426951 alves34595 https://padlet.com/bshores5_1/hgfuqrnh2x1yt8vk/wish/2108426980 "Words in a poem take place against the context of silence (or maybe an espresso maker, depending on the reading series), whereas, as musicians like Will Oldham and David Byrne have recently pointed out, lyrics take place in the context of a lot of deliberate musical information: melody, rhythm, instrumentation, the quality of the singer’s voice, other qualities of the recording, etc." Without the melodic aspects that follows with lyrics, the lyrics in songs loose most of their poetic values, because they where based around the instruments, medley, and other parts of the song. While poems can be complimented and added do music to give a more song like appearance, due to poems being in the context of silence, lyrics in a song can loose their meaning and value when removed from song like aspects. ]]> 2022-03-22 21:36:09 UTC https://padlet.com/bshores5_1/hgfuqrnh2x1yt8vk/wish/2108426980 damm35253 https://padlet.com/bshores5_1/hgfuqrnh2x1yt8vk/wish/2108429190 2022-03-22 21:38:17 UTC https://padlet.com/bshores5_1/hgfuqrnh2x1yt8vk/wish/2108429190 bonomi34517 https://padlet.com/bshores5_1/hgfuqrnh2x1yt8vk/wish/2108429888 "The end of a lyric line has a sonic cue—the end of a melodic phrase," In music lines need music to flow through and make it sense. 

]]> 2022-03-22 21:39:02 UTC https://padlet.com/bshores5_1/hgfuqrnh2x1yt8vk/wish/2108429888 https://padlet.com/bshores5_1/hgfuqrnh2x1yt8vk/wish/2108431566  "Just to take a few recent examples,Gabriel Kahane, Michael Zapruder, AroarA, Jason Collett, Eric Moe, and Missy Mazzoli (Victoire) have all set poems by contemporary poets to music, with exciting and gorgeous results." The article gives examples of how people can take poems and turn them into songs that flow nicely. My group agrees that poems being made into songs is common and can work.]]> 2022-03-22 21:40:41 UTC https://padlet.com/bshores5_1/hgfuqrnh2x1yt8vk/wish/2108431566 navarro35088 https://padlet.com/bshores5_1/hgfuqrnh2x1yt8vk/wish/2108431582 "Because the song is aimed at the ear, when a lyricist tries to carry a thought into the next melodic phrase, it usually creates confusion, since there is a disconnect between the melodic roadmap and grammatical structure." The author clearly explains how they are different. Since songs are aimed at the ear and poem's are aimed at the eyes it creates confusion since they are written differently. ]]> 2022-03-22 21:40:42 UTC https://padlet.com/bshores5_1/hgfuqrnh2x1yt8vk/wish/2108431582 young35296 https://padlet.com/bshores5_1/hgfuqrnh2x1yt8vk/wish/2108432635 "This desire presumes that poems because they are “literature”", although this quote is written wrong but I understand the message.  The message of this quote talks about how just because it is literature gives people the assumption that literature is poetry but it is not. I also want to add that I believe that all poetry is literature but not all literature is poems, same applies to songs, they are literature but songs are not poetry.]]> 2022-03-22 21:41:30 UTC https://padlet.com/bshores5_1/hgfuqrnh2x1yt8vk/wish/2108432635 wilbur34293 https://padlet.com/bshores5_1/hgfuqrnh2x1yt8vk/wish/2108432765 "Poetry must contain its own theme and variation, setting a rhythm and syncopating against it, as in the first two lines of Keats’ “Ode On a Grecian Urn:”Lyricists have to be clever with how they write their songs due to limited song space. Lyricists depend on rhythm. The rhythm in a song can extend a syllables length and can transform it when spoken. This adds creativity when being spoken. Poetry needs its own theme and rhyme variation. The writer does not have to match his work with a rhythm, or beat and is only limited to his own imagination and creativity. 

]]> 2022-03-22 21:41:39 UTC https://padlet.com/bshores5_1/hgfuqrnh2x1yt8vk/wish/2108432765 gho34511 https://padlet.com/bshores5_1/hgfuqrnh2x1yt8vk/wish/2108432984 "Since the end of a line in poetry is a visual cue, a poet can end a line, yet let the content continue on to the next line, creating tension, but not confusion:"
I disagree with this quote because as a poet does visually show a pause, in a song we can hear the end of a segment. We can pause in a song and continue it later just as easy as a poem can. The author was trying to use this evidence to support an idea that poems can create a tension by pausing that a song cannot create, however clearly that is irrelevant.

]]> 2022-03-22 21:41:53 UTC https://padlet.com/bshores5_1/hgfuqrnh2x1yt8vk/wish/2108432984 galvan34532 https://padlet.com/bshores5_1/hgfuqrnh2x1yt8vk/wish/2108434557 "to recognize that lyrics and poetry, while different genres with different forces and imperatives, have both more and less in common than we might think, and are endeavors of equal value." The article changes sides but it supports both and it talks about what the differences are but also gives us some examples on how they are similar and if used correctly they can be the same. ]]> 2022-03-22 21:43:31 UTC https://padlet.com/bshores5_1/hgfuqrnh2x1yt8vk/wish/2108434557 briano35139 https://padlet.com/bshores5_1/hgfuqrnh2x1yt8vk/wish/2113258031 "Lyrics take place in the context of a lot of deliberate musical information: melody, rhythm, instrumentation, the quality of the singer’'s voice, other qualities of the recording, etc. Without all that musical information, lyrics usually do not function as well, precisely because they were intentionally designed that way." 
"They might sometimes accidentally function like poems when taken out of a musical context, but abstracting lyrics from musical information is misleading and beside the point." 
This article demonstrates both sides of the argument but more to the side of song lyrics and poems are different. For example, there are many factors that are contributed to music that don’t fit with poems. There has been much evidence demonstrated to the poems being made to precisely be designed to not function with music. Poems and songs are less alike than many may believe. There are many different genres of poetry and songs which make the two very different and less in common than the public may believe.]]> 2022-03-25 05:52:52 UTC https://padlet.com/bshores5_1/hgfuqrnh2x1yt8vk/wish/2113258031