Fishbowl Formative Geometry by Kathleen Williams https://padlet.com/kjwilliams1/h3k65c9rs00h Outside Circle: Here's a place to ask your questions, add your voice to the conversation and praise the discussion going on in the inside circle. en-us 2018-02-03 13:48:32 UTC 2018-02-07 17:05:19 UTC hello@padlet.com sstanley8 https://padlet.com/kjwilliams1/h3k65c9rs00h/wish/229164946 Inside group are having a very positive discussion and are working well together.

]]> 2018-02-07 16:03:20 UTC https://padlet.com/kjwilliams1/h3k65c9rs00h/wish/229164946 https://padlet.com/kjwilliams1/h3k65c9rs00h/wish/229165016 C: Using current method for "solving a triangle"...maybe emphasize importance of reviewing previous methods throughout new concepts
D: Again, jumping right to solving using current method...not reading the directions or not really knowing what a proportion really is....??]]> 2018-02-07 16:03:26 UTC https://padlet.com/kjwilliams1/h3k65c9rs00h/wish/229165016 https://padlet.com/kjwilliams1/h3k65c9rs00h/wish/229165091 It is interesting that once you start a new unit, students often think that everything you give them only pertains to the new material. (B,C,D,F,G)]]> 2018-02-07 16:03:33 UTC https://padlet.com/kjwilliams1/h3k65c9rs00h/wish/229165091 amalzone1 https://padlet.com/kjwilliams1/h3k65c9rs00h/wish/229166157 My students also tried to use the current material (trig/inverse trig) to solve the problems on this formative. 
Also had confusions with solving for the side x when angle was also named X. 

]]> 2018-02-07 16:05:04 UTC https://padlet.com/kjwilliams1/h3k65c9rs00h/wish/229166157 Do you think that the X on the 1st triangle was confusing with the side length of x? Perhaps we would change the side lengths to other variables? tracythomson https://padlet.com/kjwilliams1/h3k65c9rs00h/wish/229166394 2018-02-07 16:05:25 UTC https://padlet.com/kjwilliams1/h3k65c9rs00h/wish/229166394 https://padlet.com/kjwilliams1/h3k65c9rs00h/wish/229166554 I've found that students having to read directions is one of their biggest downfalls]]> 2018-02-07 16:05:39 UTC https://padlet.com/kjwilliams1/h3k65c9rs00h/wish/229166554 I don't think the problem needs to change....it's about kids not focusing on notation again....if you were to solve for the angle measure, then they should see the angle symbol in front of the x...does that make sense? https://padlet.com/kjwilliams1/h3k65c9rs00h/wish/229167089 2018-02-07 16:06:29 UTC https://padlet.com/kjwilliams1/h3k65c9rs00h/wish/229167089 sstanley8 https://padlet.com/kjwilliams1/h3k65c9rs00h/wish/229167424 I love that the Inside group are thinking about the different type of students they may have (ELL, IEP, 504, etc)]]> 2018-02-07 16:06:57 UTC https://padlet.com/kjwilliams1/h3k65c9rs00h/wish/229167424 Praising different ways students are attempting to solve the problem https://padlet.com/kjwilliams1/h3k65c9rs00h/wish/229168527 2018-02-07 16:08:36 UTC https://padlet.com/kjwilliams1/h3k65c9rs00h/wish/229168527 I like the idea of challenging students by not using a "nice" scale factor https://padlet.com/kjwilliams1/h3k65c9rs00h/wish/229170204 2018-02-07 16:11:15 UTC https://padlet.com/kjwilliams1/h3k65c9rs00h/wish/229170204 I liked Karen's comment to truly gage their understanding tracythomson https://padlet.com/kjwilliams1/h3k65c9rs00h/wish/229170220 2018-02-07 16:11:17 UTC https://padlet.com/kjwilliams1/h3k65c9rs00h/wish/229170220 Way to put a positive spin on it Jeanette tracythomson https://padlet.com/kjwilliams1/h3k65c9rs00h/wish/229171304 2018-02-07 16:12:54 UTC https://padlet.com/kjwilliams1/h3k65c9rs00h/wish/229171304 I think it is interesting how Grace keeps comparing understanding. Well Student "G" is getting it more than student "__" etc tracythomson https://padlet.com/kjwilliams1/h3k65c9rs00h/wish/229172077 2018-02-07 16:14:00 UTC https://padlet.com/kjwilliams1/h3k65c9rs00h/wish/229172077 I know I'm supposed to be commenting on what the group is doing but what the heck are some of these kids doing on this assessment? https://padlet.com/kjwilliams1/h3k65c9rs00h/wish/229172118 2018-02-07 16:14:04 UTC https://padlet.com/kjwilliams1/h3k65c9rs00h/wish/229172118 Again, Rob bringing back the point of solving using current material, versus using knowledge of old topics.. https://padlet.com/kjwilliams1/h3k65c9rs00h/wish/229172584 2018-02-07 16:14:49 UTC https://padlet.com/kjwilliams1/h3k65c9rs00h/wish/229172584 I disagree with saying that this is "from a previous unit", or redrawing the triangles to not look like right triangles. Isn't that lowering the expectation of what our students should be able to do and recall? https://padlet.com/kjwilliams1/h3k65c9rs00h/wish/229172947 2018-02-07 16:15:30 UTC https://padlet.com/kjwilliams1/h3k65c9rs00h/wish/229172947 https://padlet.com/kjwilliams1/h3k65c9rs00h/wish/229173405 Maybe doing more warm-up problems from prior units to keep them thinking about prior material.  Can't hurt for final exams...]]> 2018-02-07 16:16:16 UTC https://padlet.com/kjwilliams1/h3k65c9rs00h/wish/229173405 sstanley8 https://padlet.com/kjwilliams1/h3k65c9rs00h/wish/229174634 I agree with the changing the "x" vertex and changing the look of the triangle. Maybe flip the triangle?]]> 2018-02-07 16:18:02 UTC https://padlet.com/kjwilliams1/h3k65c9rs00h/wish/229174634 Could one of the shapes be rotated? https://padlet.com/kjwilliams1/h3k65c9rs00h/wish/229174804 2018-02-07 16:18:21 UTC https://padlet.com/kjwilliams1/h3k65c9rs00h/wish/229174804 https://padlet.com/kjwilliams1/h3k65c9rs00h/wish/229176410 Wouldn't it be interesting to have time to have the students talk about what they are doing in order to understand what some of them are thinking...]]> 2018-02-07 16:20:57 UTC https://padlet.com/kjwilliams1/h3k65c9rs00h/wish/229176410 I have always wanted to talk about this to determine the best way of breaking down radicals tracythomson https://padlet.com/kjwilliams1/h3k65c9rs00h/wish/229178205 2018-02-07 16:23:54 UTC https://padlet.com/kjwilliams1/h3k65c9rs00h/wish/229178205 I wish I could see what they are writing https://padlet.com/kjwilliams1/h3k65c9rs00h/wish/229179066 2018-02-07 16:25:05 UTC https://padlet.com/kjwilliams1/h3k65c9rs00h/wish/229179066 I am curious how they would rate each student...if they put them in order of understanding to not. Like a linear scale of understanding (not necessarily a grade) tracythomson https://padlet.com/kjwilliams1/h3k65c9rs00h/wish/229179637 2018-02-07 16:25:53 UTC https://padlet.com/kjwilliams1/h3k65c9rs00h/wish/229179637 https://padlet.com/kjwilliams1/h3k65c9rs00h/wish/229180401 It is amazing how many misconceptions come out of one set of problems and how many teachable moments there are]]> 2018-02-07 16:27:02 UTC https://padlet.com/kjwilliams1/h3k65c9rs00h/wish/229180401 Cross mulitiplication vs. clearing fractions (denominators) discussion is interesting since we investigate the geometric mean for altitudes of right triangles in chapter 7. kcanty1 https://padlet.com/kjwilliams1/h3k65c9rs00h/wish/229193288 2018-02-07 16:46:30 UTC https://padlet.com/kjwilliams1/h3k65c9rs00h/wish/229193288 Ratings jhorng2 https://padlet.com/kjwilliams1/h3k65c9rs00h/wish/229194214 I wonder if they are going to agree with what a "4" represents and "3" represents...etc

]]> 2018-02-07 16:47:47 UTC https://padlet.com/kjwilliams1/h3k65c9rs00h/wish/229194214 After this activity, I would LOVE to work with all the teachers together to discuss certain topics, like simplifying radicals, solving proportions because I think many teachers approach these topics differently. mrsoleary https://padlet.com/kjwilliams1/h3k65c9rs00h/wish/229195017 2018-02-07 16:49:10 UTC https://padlet.com/kjwilliams1/h3k65c9rs00h/wish/229195017 Is simplifying radicals necessary? smiller50 https://padlet.com/kjwilliams1/h3k65c9rs00h/wish/229195151 2018-02-07 16:49:24 UTC https://padlet.com/kjwilliams1/h3k65c9rs00h/wish/229195151 If cross multiplying, then leaving the solution as the square root of 48 makes it easier to check for accuracy (root 48 times root 48 equals 6 times 8) rporter64 https://padlet.com/kjwilliams1/h3k65c9rs00h/wish/229196222 2018-02-07 16:50:57 UTC https://padlet.com/kjwilliams1/h3k65c9rs00h/wish/229196222 Teachable moment: what is different about the number 48 and the square root of 48? rporter64 https://padlet.com/kjwilliams1/h3k65c9rs00h/wish/229197541 2018-02-07 16:53:00 UTC https://padlet.com/kjwilliams1/h3k65c9rs00h/wish/229197541 I am curious how teachers teach solving proportions. If students cross multiply, would it be marked wrong? mrsoleary https://padlet.com/kjwilliams1/h3k65c9rs00h/wish/229197990 2018-02-07 16:53:42 UTC https://padlet.com/kjwilliams1/h3k65c9rs00h/wish/229197990 Simplifying radicals for letter M - beginning with one term and ending with two terms under the radical should be a red flag kcanty1 https://padlet.com/kjwilliams1/h3k65c9rs00h/wish/229198135 2018-02-07 16:53:56 UTC https://padlet.com/kjwilliams1/h3k65c9rs00h/wish/229198135 Do we give less credit for doing some really weird math??? Like simplifying that radical for Student M? https://padlet.com/kjwilliams1/h3k65c9rs00h/wish/229198205 2018-02-07 16:54:03 UTC https://padlet.com/kjwilliams1/h3k65c9rs00h/wish/229198205 YES! Great question Laurie! What are we assessing? mrsoleary https://padlet.com/kjwilliams1/h3k65c9rs00h/wish/229198459 2018-02-07 16:54:31 UTC https://padlet.com/kjwilliams1/h3k65c9rs00h/wish/229198459 Nice work by the inside circle of discussing common misconceptions. smiller50 https://padlet.com/kjwilliams1/h3k65c9rs00h/wish/229198797

]]> 2018-02-07 16:55:07 UTC https://padlet.com/kjwilliams1/h3k65c9rs00h/wish/229198797 I'm wondering if the teacher taught "geometric mean" before giving this problem for assessment. rporter64 https://padlet.com/kjwilliams1/h3k65c9rs00h/wish/229200395 2018-02-07 16:57:57 UTC https://padlet.com/kjwilliams1/h3k65c9rs00h/wish/229200395 I like the comment about subbing in to check your work when you aren't sure. It's a good method for students to use when they aren't sure. gtwietmeyer1_3 https://padlet.com/kjwilliams1/h3k65c9rs00h/wish/229200615 2018-02-07 16:58:16 UTC https://padlet.com/kjwilliams1/h3k65c9rs00h/wish/229200615 Coming back to the rating scale is a valuable discussion - kudos! kcanty1 https://padlet.com/kjwilliams1/h3k65c9rs00h/wish/229202393 2018-02-07 17:01:20 UTC https://padlet.com/kjwilliams1/h3k65c9rs00h/wish/229202393 I really love how much this fishbowl dove into individual responses and why students did what they did. I feel like i don't spend enough time reflecting on my student's exit slips but it would definitely be good to. mrsoleary https://padlet.com/kjwilliams1/h3k65c9rs00h/wish/229202749 2018-02-07 17:01:59 UTC https://padlet.com/kjwilliams1/h3k65c9rs00h/wish/229202749 I'm wondering how we get students to wrap their brains around: "root 48 is to 6 as 8 is to root48 rporter64 https://padlet.com/kjwilliams1/h3k65c9rs00h/wish/229203118 2018-02-07 17:02:38 UTC https://padlet.com/kjwilliams1/h3k65c9rs00h/wish/229203118 Good instructional strategies or differentiation via grouping is coming from this analysis. kcanty1 https://padlet.com/kjwilliams1/h3k65c9rs00h/wish/229203825 2018-02-07 17:03:57 UTC https://padlet.com/kjwilliams1/h3k65c9rs00h/wish/229203825