This House regrets the predominance of “youth” elements within social movements (i.e., tailoring social media presence to teenage and young adult consumers, the glorification of young leaders, the prevalent narratives of “saving our future”) by Akun Debat

This House regrets the predominance of “youth” elements within social movements (i.e., tailoring social media presence to teenage and young adult consumers, the glorification of young leaders, the prevalent narratives of “saving our future”) by Akun Debat https://padlet.com/akundebat00a/h3g6qfca1237rev4 Against This Motion en-us 2022-05-28 23:44:17 UTC 2022-05-29 04:40:51 UTC hello@padlet.com Argument https://padlet.com/akundebat00a/h3g6qfca1237rev4/wish/2203237186 2022-05-29 03:13:57 UTC https://padlet.com/akundebat00a/h3g6qfca1237rev4/wish/2203237186 Youth are also a part of society that needs to be heard Rayhanul https://padlet.com/akundebat00a/h3g6qfca1237rev4/wish/2203238162 2022-05-29 03:17:20 UTC https://padlet.com/akundebat00a/h3g6qfca1237rev4/wish/2203238162 1 (why we focus on youth) https://padlet.com/akundebat00a/h3g6qfca1237rev4/wish/2203238292 most of the social justice movements in today's world revolve around the need for change. such as in the BLM movement, the Climate change movement, the Feminist movement, the Asian Hate movement. the Abortion movement, and the gay rights movement. these issues are predominantly affecting teenagers and adults. the older generation have not as much reason to support this kind of movements. even if they are in support of the movements they are too busy to act because of their job and family matters]]> 2022-05-29 03:17:46 UTC https://padlet.com/akundebat00a/h3g6qfca1237rev4/wish/2203238292 Trisakti Rayhanul https://padlet.com/akundebat00a/h3g6qfca1237rev4/wish/2203238719 2022-05-29 03:19:21 UTC https://padlet.com/akundebat00a/h3g6qfca1237rev4/wish/2203238719 2 (why we focus on youth) https://padlet.com/akundebat00a/h3g6qfca1237rev4/wish/2203238997 the youth are perfect for social justice movements because of their youth. the youth and teenagers have all the time in the world to protest and voice their opinions meanwhile as we can see adults are too busy with their work and also taking care of their families. the youth are solely responsible for activism because of their free time and bravery to voice their opinions]]> 2022-05-29 03:20:34 UTC https://padlet.com/akundebat00a/h3g6qfca1237rev4/wish/2203238997 3 (how our country have been saved by the student) https://padlet.com/akundebat00a/h3g6qfca1237rev4/wish/2203239757 in our country, as of right now the only 3 main factions of voicing opinions and also the conflict of social justice are made up of the religious faction, the workers and the university students. throughout our history, we have seen students being in the forefront of change from the fall of the new order to the rise of reformation. all are done by the students, not the political faction, not the religious faction, not any faction, but the youth]]> 2022-05-29 03:23:20 UTC https://padlet.com/akundebat00a/h3g6qfca1237rev4/wish/2203239757 4 (young leaders are fine) https://padlet.com/akundebat00a/h3g6qfca1237rev4/wish/2203240428 Young leaders such as Greta Thurnberg should be glorified as the symbol of resistance. with having young leaders be glorified we can show that our protest isn't exclusively for young adults this is to show that the situation have been grave enough for someone as young as a young leader to leave school and protest for change in society]]> 2022-05-29 03:25:44 UTC https://padlet.com/akundebat00a/h3g6qfca1237rev4/wish/2203240428 Remember Trisakti? Rayhanul https://padlet.com/akundebat00a/h3g6qfca1237rev4/wish/2203240628 12 mei 1998, where all university students stand on ground preaching the voice of Indonesian citizens at that time, that couldn't be done by the older people cuz they weren't brave enough, not as brave as those who really care about their future, THE YOUTH

if it weren't for them we would still be in an authoritarian state]]> 2022-05-29 03:26:22 UTC https://padlet.com/akundebat00a/h3g6qfca1237rev4/wish/2203240628 5 (young leaders are capable) https://padlet.com/akundebat00a/h3g6qfca1237rev4/wish/2203241101 in 2018 there's a protest against a drafted new law where the university students around indonesia protested this new law. a prominent leader in this movement was the leader of the BEM UI who talked face to face with the Parliament of indonesia. once again showing that young leaders are capable in what they are doing ]]> 2022-05-29 03:28:08 UTC https://padlet.com/akundebat00a/h3g6qfca1237rev4/wish/2203241101 https://padlet.com/akundebat00a/h3g6qfca1237rev4/wish/2203241529 The Youth Pledge (Indonesian: Sumpah Pemuda) was a declaration made on 28 October 1928 by young Indonesian nationalists in the Second Youth Congress . They proclaimed three ideas: one motherland, one nation and one language

that stated ;

Firstly
We the sons and daughters of Indonesia, acknowledge one motherland, Indonesia.
Secondly
We the sons and daughters of Indonesia, acknowledge to be of one nation, the nation of Indonesia.
Thirdly
We the sons and daughters of Indonesia, uphold the language of unity, Indonesian.]]> 2022-05-29 03:29:49 UTC https://padlet.com/akundebat00a/h3g6qfca1237rev4/wish/2203241529 6 (saving our future is logical) https://padlet.com/akundebat00a/h3g6qfca1237rev4/wish/2203242087 there's nothing to regret bout the narrative of saving our future, the people that are protesting have a good reason to protest and one of them is to have a better future for them when they grow up. for example the climate change movement is gravely affecting the future of the youth and it's not their fault that their future is at risk. for the BLM movement the youth are afraid of the future of being racist and prejudiced towards black people, we can't blame them for having the notion of saving their future because factually speaking they are indeed endangered in their future so there's nothing to regret about saving the youth's future]]> 2022-05-29 03:31:55 UTC https://padlet.com/akundebat00a/h3g6qfca1237rev4/wish/2203242087 Mogus https://padlet.com/akundebat00a/h3g6qfca1237rev4/wish/2203242164 2022-05-29 03:32:10 UTC https://padlet.com/akundebat00a/h3g6qfca1237rev4/wish/2203242164 7 (why we focus on youth) https://padlet.com/akundebat00a/h3g6qfca1237rev4/wish/2203243021 it's only logical for the youth to be saying save our future because they are entitled to that future. the youth are the future generation and they have all the rights to carve their own path for their betterment. there's nothing to regret about this youth presence in social movements]]> 2022-05-29 03:34:55 UTC https://padlet.com/akundebat00a/h3g6qfca1237rev4/wish/2203243021 The Youth Pledge Rayhanul https://padlet.com/akundebat00a/h3g6qfca1237rev4/wish/2203243273 i think weve all knew about this one, if you really pay attention on your civic class, you may know without them the youth colleges who stand united under one nation putting all their differences away to persue the real objective, uniting indonesia, creating a movement so big that it created a period of ressurection, becoming one of the main benefector for our independence, one of the main reason on why rn we have a better life, a more prosper civilization]]> 2022-05-29 03:35:51 UTC https://padlet.com/akundebat00a/h3g6qfca1237rev4/wish/2203243273 8 (why we focus on youth) https://padlet.com/akundebat00a/h3g6qfca1237rev4/wish/2203243611 youth presence in social movements is only natural, throughout the ages those that have protested for their rights are young adults and teenagers. from the protest against the draft on vietnam and to the fall of the new order right here in indonesia we can see that the youth hold massive sway for social movements. the youth naturally would jump in the chance to change the status quo for progressive ideas for the betterment of their future.]]> 2022-05-29 03:37:01 UTC https://padlet.com/akundebat00a/h3g6qfca1237rev4/wish/2203243611 Rebuttal https://padlet.com/akundebat00a/h3g6qfca1237rev4/wish/2203243995 2022-05-29 03:38:30 UTC https://padlet.com/akundebat00a/h3g6qfca1237rev4/wish/2203243995 Definition https://padlet.com/akundebat00a/h3g6qfca1237rev4/wish/2203244944 social movement

social movement, is a loosely organized but sustained campaign in support of a social goal, typically either the implementation or the prevention of a change in society's structure or values.

The major types of social movements are;

reform movements, revolutionary movements, reactionary movements, self-help movements, and religious movements.

social movements typically strive to generate policy or cultural change, social movements for good work to generate awareness and enact change for an issue or population in need of support and resources.

]]> 2022-05-29 03:42:03 UTC https://padlet.com/akundebat00a/h3g6qfca1237rev4/wish/2203244944 Kartini Rayhanul https://padlet.com/akundebat00a/h3g6qfca1237rev4/wish/2203245157 Kartini the women who fought for female right in her teenage life, she was a West Javanese noblewomen who cared about education and the rights of women during the Dutch colonial period.

RA Kartini, she was also credited for building a first ever women's school called the Wife's School in the Bandung Regency Hall in 1904.

she was a noble figures who care about the fate of women in their homeland.]]> 2022-05-29 03:42:44 UTC https://padlet.com/akundebat00a/h3g6qfca1237rev4/wish/2203245157 1 https://padlet.com/akundebat00a/h3g6qfca1237rev4/wish/2203246425 the climate movement have actually given good impact on climate, can be seen on the paris climate accord, germany abandoning nuclear energy and the european union advancing with clean energy production especially nordic countries like denmark and sweden ]]> 2022-05-29 03:47:23 UTC https://padlet.com/akundebat00a/h3g6qfca1237rev4/wish/2203246425 2 https://padlet.com/akundebat00a/h3g6qfca1237rev4/wish/2203246879 not all youth are mentally stable, they're not all immature. teenagers and young youth who join movements know what they are fighting for. they see that their future are endangered so it's only logical to see why they're protesting ]]> 2022-05-29 03:48:58 UTC https://padlet.com/akundebat00a/h3g6qfca1237rev4/wish/2203246879 3 https://padlet.com/akundebat00a/h3g6qfca1237rev4/wish/2203247184 also when i last checked you can voice your opinions and fight for what you deem right in the political landscape in the world (except for authoritarian nations). everyone deserve a voice and the youth especially need that voice when THEIR FUTURE ARE IN DANGER]]> 2022-05-29 03:49:54 UTC https://padlet.com/akundebat00a/h3g6qfca1237rev4/wish/2203247184 Social justice are things that needed to be taught for the youth and for all people, so they can be emphatical to our world's problem Rayhanul https://padlet.com/akundebat00a/h3g6qfca1237rev4/wish/2203247256 the matter is the only people who care about social justice as much to actually want the change them are the youth

there's no stopping protecting them from the harsh world, that's why we the youth are preparing ourselves for the future world, facing the real problem at hand rather than procrastinating and waiting for the problem to fix itself]]> 2022-05-29 03:50:09 UTC https://padlet.com/akundebat00a/h3g6qfca1237rev4/wish/2203247256 4 https://padlet.com/akundebat00a/h3g6qfca1237rev4/wish/2203247474 by joining a movement they can see that there are more people like them, more poeple that believe in a future better than in the SQ. hence deppression and bullying can be countered by support from the movement. being in a movement means you have a lot of people backing each other so bullying in our opinion is irrelevant ]]> 2022-05-29 03:51:01 UTC https://padlet.com/akundebat00a/h3g6qfca1237rev4/wish/2203247474 5 https://padlet.com/akundebat00a/h3g6qfca1237rev4/wish/2203247829 being academically acclaimed is indeed important but they have a voice, it is in their absolute rights to voice their opinions. without movements by the university students there won't be any balance to the indonesian government for example. just because you have academic priorities doesn't mean we should regret them in joining movements]]> 2022-05-29 03:52:20 UTC https://padlet.com/akundebat00a/h3g6qfca1237rev4/wish/2203247829 6 https://padlet.com/akundebat00a/h3g6qfca1237rev4/wish/2203248250 focusing on university is indeed good we all want that but if the youth see their future be teared apart by the older generation. you can't just say "just focus on your academics". the youth is the best counter balance against the government for future issues ]]> 2022-05-29 03:53:54 UTC https://padlet.com/akundebat00a/h3g6qfca1237rev4/wish/2203248250 We live in a world of democracy Rayhanul https://padlet.com/akundebat00a/h3g6qfca1237rev4/wish/2203249847 cutting one voice from the people means violationg the value of democracy]]> 2022-05-29 03:57:47 UTC https://padlet.com/akundebat00a/h3g6qfca1237rev4/wish/2203249847 Rebuttal 2 https://padlet.com/akundebat00a/h3g6qfca1237rev4/wish/2203251907 2022-05-29 04:01:17 UTC https://padlet.com/akundebat00a/h3g6qfca1237rev4/wish/2203251907 Rayhanul https://padlet.com/akundebat00a/h3g6qfca1237rev4/wish/2203252276 all people deserve to have a voice, were in no way undermining the adults, they have a voice too in a world of democracy but did they use it for a change? did they bravely use their power to fix the problems that clearly exist and probably have faced them, but instead its only the youth that are able and have a will to act]]> 2022-05-29 04:01:35 UTC https://padlet.com/akundebat00a/h3g6qfca1237rev4/wish/2203252276 1 https://padlet.com/akundebat00a/h3g6qfca1237rev4/wish/2203253355 the adult's future can be fought for by the youth too. have you seen how adults are helped by university studentss protesting the govt? also the adult's have their own lives that are much more important than academic problems namely their workplace and their family]]> 2022-05-29 04:04:16 UTC https://padlet.com/akundebat00a/h3g6qfca1237rev4/wish/2203253355 2 https://padlet.com/akundebat00a/h3g6qfca1237rev4/wish/2203253662 the adult have a place to voice their opinion called elections. the adults can also protest in their own respective places such as in indonesia called the workers faction where they actually did demonstrated at 2020 against the omnibus law. this doesnt mean that they can protest at anytime. they have work timetables and families to take care off. if something urgent happens adults cant just jump to the streets like the youth]]> 2022-05-29 04:05:34 UTC https://padlet.com/akundebat00a/h3g6qfca1237rev4/wish/2203253662 3 https://padlet.com/akundebat00a/h3g6qfca1237rev4/wish/2203253989 the adults have their responsibilities, exactly why the youth are the future of movements because they have to be responsible for their bosses and also their children and wives/husbands]]> 2022-05-29 04:06:51 UTC https://padlet.com/akundebat00a/h3g6qfca1237rev4/wish/2203253989 Carefull they keep framing us Rayhanul https://padlet.com/akundebat00a/h3g6qfca1237rev4/wish/2203254047 2022-05-29 04:07:07 UTC https://padlet.com/akundebat00a/h3g6qfca1237rev4/wish/2203254047 4 https://padlet.com/akundebat00a/h3g6qfca1237rev4/wish/2203254166 what the youth have that the adult lack is that the youth have the power of the internet.
social media is a wonder for social movement where information can spread easily about a tragedy or about a movement, comparatively older people dont have that kind of access to fast spreading info]]> 2022-05-29 04:07:40 UTC https://padlet.com/akundebat00a/h3g6qfca1237rev4/wish/2203254166 9 https://padlet.com/akundebat00a/h3g6qfca1237rev4/wish/2203254444 the youth have the ability of the internet and social media
twitter trends are spiking everyday making people be aware of a problem. and most of them are done by? youths. it's been proven that the youth are better for raising awareness through their influence in social media. if you want to protest nowaday you can use social media and the youth are in that zone]]> 2022-05-29 04:08:51 UTC https://padlet.com/akundebat00a/h3g6qfca1237rev4/wish/2203254444 5 https://padlet.com/akundebat00a/h3g6qfca1237rev4/wish/2203255132 the adult's role is to be leader of their families or to be responsible with their own tummies. they have political power already by being in government or by voting. they aren't as prominent in spreaidng awareness or for protesting the SQ. see the difference?]]> 2022-05-29 04:10:31 UTC https://padlet.com/akundebat00a/h3g6qfca1237rev4/wish/2203255132 the internet Rayhanul https://padlet.com/akundebat00a/h3g6qfca1237rev4/wish/2203255202 in this modern world, the youth also use their voice their movement through social meida]]> 2022-05-29 04:10:51 UTC https://padlet.com/akundebat00a/h3g6qfca1237rev4/wish/2203255202 7 https://padlet.com/akundebat00a/h3g6qfca1237rev4/wish/2203257557 if academic problems are already a hustle if you want to protest, then are adult's case better with their responsibility for their family? logically it doesn't add up]]> 2022-05-29 04:17:07 UTC https://padlet.com/akundebat00a/h3g6qfca1237rev4/wish/2203257557 Rebuttal 3 https://padlet.com/akundebat00a/h3g6qfca1237rev4/wish/2203257989 2022-05-29 04:18:41 UTC https://padlet.com/akundebat00a/h3g6qfca1237rev4/wish/2203257989 1 https://padlet.com/akundebat00a/h3g6qfca1237rev4/wish/2203258580 not needed for the youth? they need this, THEIR FUTURE IS AT STAKE. if your house is set on fire and you're seeing your house on fire and someone say "you need to just see it and dont care". you don't just standby you go and take the water to save your house. same as the youth]]> 2022-05-29 04:20:48 UTC https://padlet.com/akundebat00a/h3g6qfca1237rev4/wish/2203258580 Sarcasm Rayhanul https://padlet.com/akundebat00a/h3g6qfca1237rev4/wish/2203258789 oh so better environment are not important? stopping racist prejudice world isnt important?]]> 2022-05-29 04:21:29 UTC https://padlet.com/akundebat00a/h3g6qfca1237rev4/wish/2203258789 2 https://padlet.com/akundebat00a/h3g6qfca1237rev4/wish/2203258847 in the pro side they are talking about the inneficiency of movements led by youth but if we see in the status quo how many older generation protests are happening in the world? how active are they? how many campaign have they done in social media? they are innefective ]]> 2022-05-29 04:21:43 UTC https://padlet.com/akundebat00a/h3g6qfca1237rev4/wish/2203258847 3 https://padlet.com/akundebat00a/h3g6qfca1237rev4/wish/2203259061 again we are saying teenagers and young adults. sure we can see a lot of them are playing games but does that mean the adults are less busy? doesn't logically add up]]> 2022-05-29 04:22:32 UTC https://padlet.com/akundebat00a/h3g6qfca1237rev4/wish/2203259061 4 https://padlet.com/akundebat00a/h3g6qfca1237rev4/wish/2203259357 if they learn in school and all and basically ignore social issues completely and just pursue their passion, when they go to their passion and work 9 to 5. when can they partake in protest? when can they partake in social issues?]]> 2022-05-29 04:23:37 UTC https://padlet.com/akundebat00a/h3g6qfca1237rev4/wish/2203259357 5 https://padlet.com/akundebat00a/h3g6qfca1237rev4/wish/2203259670 the youth have already proven themselves, seen from kartini in the 1800's till even today. could you give me an example on how adults have protested actively in the movement nowadays?]]> 2022-05-29 04:24:36 UTC https://padlet.com/akundebat00a/h3g6qfca1237rev4/wish/2203259670 6 https://padlet.com/akundebat00a/h3g6qfca1237rev4/wish/2203259962 we did not just focus on indonesia. the young adults and hipsters protested in the streets against the war in vietnam. black youth protested in the 1950s for black rights. we've explained all the other movements too]]> 2022-05-29 04:25:39 UTC https://padlet.com/akundebat00a/h3g6qfca1237rev4/wish/2203259962 7 https://padlet.com/akundebat00a/h3g6qfca1237rev4/wish/2203260317 social media isn't useless. just because you see the protest being done in the virtual world doesn't mean it equates to zero. spreading awareness is very important for social justice movements, such as george flody spread through social media. a case of a gay bride getting refused service by a bakery in america all spread thru social media. social media spreads awareness and this consequently create protests]]> 2022-05-29 04:27:02 UTC https://padlet.com/akundebat00a/h3g6qfca1237rev4/wish/2203260317 Reply Rayhanul https://padlet.com/akundebat00a/h3g6qfca1237rev4/wish/2203262690 your honour as a reply speaker I'm obliged to mention things that the proposition lacks

first, the opposition failed to raise any examples that needed to prove their point, they didn't mention anything that caters to how adults can make an impact, and they didn't mention any proof of how adults movement has created change for the world
which raises the question again, did adults really use their power and voice for the betterment of the world, for the youth's future world

second, on the other side as the opposition, we've covered pretty much anything regarding this motion, examples to prove our points, we've battled many proposition arguments regarding, one thing note the proposition haven't made any comment in regards to our examples for youth importance from the past and from this we can conclude that proposition has agreed to this motion]]> 2022-05-29 04:35:14 UTC https://padlet.com/akundebat00a/h3g6qfca1237rev4/wish/2203262690