MMHS Victor Frankenstein, a Freudian Approach by Sharon Rowland https://padlet.com/sharonrowland/gml3rop64ril6ske After thoroughly reading my research, now respond with any thoughts, surprises, reactions that you now have about Victor Frankenstein. What surprised you? Can you understand his psyche now? ♥ Be sure that your posts do not cover up someone else's. en-us 2022-04-08 03:20:02 UTC 2023-01-17 05:57:28 UTC hello@padlet.com https://padlet.net/icons/png/1f480.png Victor's Purpose 559279 https://padlet.com/sharonrowland/gml3rop64ril6ske/wish/2146535156 The thing that shocked me most of Victor's character would have to be his drive for his reason to tamper with necromancy, which was his early life tragedy of his passing mother. I always thought that Victor was a mad scientist that just wanted to cause chaos, but reading this novel really opened a new world. - Fabio Velazquez
 ]]> 2022-04-18 03:48:52 UTC https://padlet.com/sharonrowland/gml3rop64ril6ske/wish/2146535156 Victor's feelings towards Elizabeth https://padlet.com/sharonrowland/gml3rop64ril6ske/wish/2146572210 Revisiting Frankenstein under the Freudian approach helped me appreciate Shelley’s work even more now. I could read this novel ten more times and learn something new about it each time. After reading the research, I agree that Victor Frankenstein exists as a repressed character. His whole quest in creating eternal life in a new species stems from his unresolved demand of attention from his dead mother. However, discovering that Victor Frankenstein truly did not care for Elizabeth surprised me the most when reading the research. I feel dense for not learning this on my own. The reasoning for his hatred of her stems from the fact that Victor’s mother, the object of his affection, died because she could not keep away from Elizabeth during her illness and it got transmitted to her. Even when the fiend tells Victor, ‘I will be with you on your wedding night!’, he still follows through with the wedding and the fiend ultimately kills Elizabeth on that night  (Shelley 167). The research explained that Victor’s failings are never a result of ignorance since Shelley wrote him as very intelligent, all his actions are calculated. He married Elizabeth and sent her to their bedroom alone despite the fiend’s threats because he knew that he would kill her, all so Victor didn’t have to live with the woman that killed his mother nor break off their engagement. In Victor’s psyche, he truly believes that he could do no wrong and refuses to take accountability for any of his actions; the research helped me understand that. Victor’s narcissism remains as the determining factor for all of his shortcomings in the novel. - Cassandra Marquez


]]> 2022-04-18 04:35:53 UTC https://padlet.com/sharonrowland/gml3rop64ril6ske/wish/2146572210 woah https://padlet.com/sharonrowland/gml3rop64ril6ske/wish/2147885650 After reading this I cannot get over the shock value of Victor's repression, and that this materialized into the fiend. I found it strange when in chapter 2 Victor referred to Elizabeth as his mother's favorite but I overlooked it so now it all makes sense. It's so crazy to see how real and layered Shelly created victor even though overshadowed by the fiend. I never thought of Victor to have such a human side and especially explained using Freud's approach to id, ego, and superego, this furthered my understanding of that too. I love the depth of Victor's dream and how blindsided I was because I was more emotionally attached to the fiend. I love how this research entitles Elizabeth as a murderer as she essential was the omen and harbinger of separation in Victor's family and tries to redeem her image into an angle and a replacement. I always thought of her as indirectly murdering Mrs. Frankenstein but no one in the book blames or hints at this, just overlooked. I REmeber so much from reading this research and the quotes and every explanation, the first time I read these events I thought to myself that it was strange for Victor to do something like that or say that but id brush it off, like on their wedding night I was so confused because Victor roamed and paced the halls rather than stay in the room with Elizabeth after knowing the fiend's ultimatum. I really like this sentance the most from your reasearch, "The fact that he neither discusses the dark secret with Elizabeth, nor tries to protect her from the Fiend steadily shows his neurosis, so his neurotic symptom manifests in the Fiend himself who will ultimately free Victor from any social responsibility of wrongdoing." It rings so true and validates my thoughts of Victor's God complex and pride. I love reading this but it made me angrier at Victor, realizing his gaslighting and manipulative nature was all true so the fiend suffers more injustice. 
-Naydelin]]> 2022-04-19 02:43:45 UTC https://padlet.com/sharonrowland/gml3rop64ril6ske/wish/2147885650 Victor 5721952 https://padlet.com/sharonrowland/gml3rop64ril6ske/wish/2147901404  What has me blown away is his unconscious place in his mind which is his Id wants to do without the sense of reality which is ego and these constantly fight each other in things we want to do and things we do. What Victor wants to do is to muder her “cousin”because he links the death of his mother and blames her and his id wants to take over but cannot be done because his family deeply loves her. I never would have thought that the dream Victor gave such hints and foreshadowing to Elizabeth's death. 
~ Ana Zavala
]]> 2022-04-19 02:56:13 UTC https://padlet.com/sharonrowland/gml3rop64ril6ske/wish/2147901404 https://padlet.com/sharonrowland/gml3rop64ril6ske/wish/2147983192 Reviewing over the freudian approach of the novel Frankenstein, Mary Shelley’s intellectual superiority of integrating Sigmund Freud’s works based on neurotic symptoms from repressed wishes in the conscious and unconscious of the mind with her character: Victor Frankenstein, deeply shocked me. At first glance, I thought that Victor’s actively seeks to pursue the unknown and the undicovered behind the secrets of life which untimely results in a regrettable creation that leads to his ruin. However, the Freudian approach reveals Victor’s true intentions and the hidden wishes he desired because of the death of his mother. While I assumed from his dream in chapter 2 portrayed Victor’s conflicting emotions between his mother and Elizabeth, the true symbolization affected the way I saw the novel. I would have never expected Victor to cultivate the desire for Elizabeth’s death and this new knowledge connects wonderfully to the story and creates a truly overwhelming horror story. Victor develops his hatred for Elizabeth because she caused the death of his mother which does explain why he ignores her after he finally marries her. I had questioned the intentions of his attitude toward her while he emphasized his love for her. His mother's death began his obsession with the "elixir of life" and planned the entire effects of the creation in order to obtain his truest wishes without social prejudice: to kill Elizabeth to justify Caroline's death. Mary Shelley truly surprised me with her work and I enjoyed this novel very much which I will happily read over and over again. - Angelica Trujillo]]> 2022-04-19 04:15:46 UTC https://padlet.com/sharonrowland/gml3rop64ril6ske/wish/2147983192 https://padlet.com/sharonrowland/gml3rop64ril6ske/wish/2148057180 What surprised me is the fact that he used his creation as a murder to help him get rid of all that was troubling him. That’s very smart of him! At first I believed he was very ignorant for making a creation and then after all the hard work just abandoning it. However he knew what he was doing and he knew that if he abandoned it, it would want revenge just as he wanted revenge against Elizabeth for killing his mother, which is very clever of him. Another thing that surprised me and I didn’t catch on to was the fact that Victor's dream came to existence. Symbolizing that dreams do come true indicating that his dream was for Elizabeth to die as she vanished in his dream. Allowing the audience to see the irony behind not saying a horrific dream, it might just come to life.- Emily Uribe]]> 2022-04-19 05:32:02 UTC https://padlet.com/sharonrowland/gml3rop64ril6ske/wish/2148057180 https://padlet.com/sharonrowland/gml3rop64ril6ske/wish/2148061660 Through a thorough analysis of the Freudian approach it has allowed me to understand Mary Shelley's structure and work in Frankenstein. Every time I re-read the book, I learn different things each time that I never noticed or bothered to pay close attention to for instance the diction Mary Shelley embedds. Furthermore, I was able to uncover the true character that Victor Frankenstein plays in the book. Before I thought of Victor as the mad scientist who created a monster, however by reading the book his character is quiet self-centered and very manipulative. He is a repressed character who seeks to play the role of a god controlling life and death. One thing that stood out to me was the the significance his dreams play in the novel like foreshadowing Elizabeth's death. I would have never considered Victor to so much as crave her death because he deeply hold her responsible for his mother death although he views her in a romantic way. This book was very intriguing to read, and I will gladly read this book again because each time a different revelation is uncovered. -Areli G]]> 2022-04-19 05:36:48 UTC https://padlet.com/sharonrowland/gml3rop64ril6ske/wish/2148061660 What surprised me? https://padlet.com/sharonrowland/gml3rop64ril6ske/wish/2148131474 it's interesting that Victor repressed memory about his mother's death surfaces in distorted ways which caused the creation of the Fiend. Victor's mother's death deepens Victor's desire to discover the elixir of life in order to reach the secret of immortality. It's interesting that Victor's horrific dream depicts the need for his mother murder to die. Elizabeth represented the prize jewel of his mother and when Elizabeth become sick victors' mother took great measures to take care of her. In doing so Victor's mother also become very sick and lost her life due to the disease. It's interesting that Victor's love for his mother causes him to foreshadow Elizabeth's death through his various mix-up. For example, it's unbelievable that Victor knew the danger that they were in and still left her alone on many occasions.- Ashley Navarro   


]]> 2022-04-19 06:44:31 UTC https://padlet.com/sharonrowland/gml3rop64ril6ske/wish/2148131474 https://padlet.com/sharonrowland/gml3rop64ril6ske/wish/2148143795 After reading the research of Victor Frankenstein under the Freudian approach, I was able to better notice and understand the selfish character and narcissistic personality of Victor. On my own, I was able to see the narcissism Victor demonstrated by the manner in which he treated his own creation, the fiend. Yet, what surprises me is that the manner in which Victor treated Elizabeth is far worse, I believe, because he hid his true feelings about her. With the fiend, Victor made it very clear from the beginning that he was disgusted by its mere presence, yet he made others believe that he truly loved Elizabeth, and even married her. Victor’s own father knew that there was something bothering Victor, but he hoped that Victor’s marriage with Elizabeth would help his troubled heart. However, it truly does surprise me that Victor would want Elizabeth dead. Yet, the reasons for which Victor would want Elizabeth dead, does make sense if you understand his true personality and characteristics. Elizabeth is an idealized character who is beautiful, loyal, and trusting, qualities that Victor’s own mother had. Everybody seemed to love Elizabeth, including Victor’s mother, and even though she knew the consequences could be fatal, Caroline attended Elizabeth when she became infected with scarlet fever. Just like many would assume, Caroline became infected with scarlet fever as well, and succumbed to the illness; “She attended her sick bed […] Elizabeth was saved, but the consequences of this imprudence were fatal to her preserver” (Shelley 38). Victor’s mother died, and he couldn’t help but blame Elizabeth. Mrs. Frankenstein’s death further deepened his repression and from then on, he only had one wish; Elizabeth had to die. Victor allowed the fiend to kill Elizabeth, by ignoring his threat that he would be present in their wedding. Victor’s narcissism was the cause of Elizabeth’s demise, and this is something that really surprises me as I never would have been able to comprehend this based on my own understanding of Frankenstein. 
-Daniel Romero
]]> 2022-04-19 06:55:27 UTC https://padlet.com/sharonrowland/gml3rop64ril6ske/wish/2148143795 Victor's purpose https://padlet.com/sharonrowland/gml3rop64ril6ske/wish/2148143978  Initially I could not find myself capable of believing that Victor retains the capacity of having murderous intent. By reviewing your work, I am now surprised that I did not observe these underlying desires of Victor although they become most obvious with his constant tongue slipping. Furthermore, it did not occur to me the extent to which the protagonist's mother's death affected him. I didn't understand the resolute hatred that Victor harbored towards Elizabeth since Victor views her as his mother's murderer. I was blind to the amount of foreshadowing Victor's dream incorporated as the 'kiss of death' could easily be translated to the death that Victor imprinted on the lips of Elizabeth when he married her despite knowing her destiny. I now seem to understand Victor's pysche, a mind that is bridled with the sin of being human and repressing the emotions of one's true self. Victor is neither percieved as a hero or a criminal, the only sin he is guilty of is being unable to restrain his Id subcomponent within his unconciousness because he merely wanted to bestow life and animation to his mother once more. -Beatriz Rosas ]]> 2022-04-19 06:55:37 UTC https://padlet.com/sharonrowland/gml3rop64ril6ske/wish/2148143978 Victors Dream 5721952 https://padlet.com/sharonrowland/gml3rop64ril6ske/wish/2149612097 What surprised me in this whole section is the involvement of psychology, being someone that is interested in these types of things I really didn't read too much in Victor's dream. I understand the Id,Ego and was surprised that Victor's Id was trying to kill Elizabeth even when he denied it in his reality part of his mind. Victor linked his mothers death with  Elizabeth because she went to great measures to treat her when she was sick, and this made Victor link it with Elizabeth. Making Victor unconsciously want to kill his "cousin", resulting in his Id surfacing in his dream of holding Elizabeth and her turning in a very twisted way to his mother foreshadowing her death.  
Ana Zavala
]]> 2022-04-20 02:27:22 UTC https://padlet.com/sharonrowland/gml3rop64ril6ske/wish/2149612097 Melva Castellanos https://padlet.com/sharonrowland/gml3rop64ril6ske/wish/2150806611 What surprised me was that despite all the love Victor's parents showed both him and Elizabeth, his desire for Elizabeth to die was so deep for it to interfere with his conscious. You would think that he would resent his mother for continuing to put herself at risk by continuing to care for Elizabeth, but this is what a mother does. She puts her children before herself. As for Elizabeth, she could not control whether she got sick or not. This event interefered so much that he spent day and night researching to create this creature just so it could kill Elizabeth for him. Victor did not care that the fiend had already killed 2 people. His repression caused him to create this genius plan to kill elizabeth all while killing others and driving himself even more crazy by doing so much research even after creating the fiend. 
- Melva Castellanos]]> 2022-04-20 18:15:56 UTC https://padlet.com/sharonrowland/gml3rop64ril6ske/wish/2150806611 https://padlet.com/sharonrowland/gml3rop64ril6ske/wish/2150810608 After reading the research made, I was shocked to understand how the Freudian approach circles the story of Victor Frankenstein. Initially, the first body paragraph had me confused a bit and I had to read multiple times but I understood how Frankenstein being at a weak spot made his repressed dream come about to him and seek to kill Elizabeth, though not by his hands. However, I do believe they were by his hands because the fiend was done by Frankenstein’s hands and it is his creation. Besides the point, I did not take into so much consideration how the mother, Caroline can take so much influence into the book’s plot even though she was there for little time. As well with how narcissistic Victor is in actuality because he wants to seem noble to Walton but if you take in consideration how his actions are, like in this research, the realization that Frankenstein is not a great person and created a fiend to do his dirty work at the end of the story with no remorse. Reading the research, thoroughly trying to interpret the Freudian approach with the novel Frankenstein has been a great learning experience. - Johana Lima]]> 2022-04-20 18:18:35 UTC https://padlet.com/sharonrowland/gml3rop64ril6ske/wish/2150810608 Freudian Approach https://padlet.com/sharonrowland/gml3rop64ril6ske/wish/2159190281 Revisiting Frankenstein under the Freudian approach helped me appreciate Shelley’s work even more now. I could read this novel ten more times and learn something new about it each time. After reading the research, I agree that Victor Frankenstein exists as a repressed character. His whole quest in creating eternal life in a new species stems from his unresolved demand of attention from his dead mother. However, discovering that Victor Frankenstein truly did not care for Elizabeth surprised me the most when reading the research. I feel dense for not learning this on my own. The reasoning for his hatred of her stems from the fact that Victor’s mother, the object of his affection, died because she could not keep away from Elizabeth during her illness and it got transmitted to her. Even when the fiend tells Victor, ‘I will be with you on your wedding night!’, he still follows through with the wedding and the fiend ultimately kills Elizabeth on that night  (Shelley 167). The research explained that Victor’s failings are never a result of ignorance since Shelley wrote him as very intelligent, all his actions are calculated. He married Elizabeth and sent her to their bedroom alone despite the fiend’s threats because he knew that he would kill her, all so Victor didn’t have to live with the woman that killed his mother nor break off their engagement. In Victor’s psyche, he truly believes that he could do no wrong and refuses to take accountability for any of his actions; the research helped me understand that. Victor’s narcissism remains as the determining factor for all of his shortcomings in the novel. - Cassandra Marquez]]> 2022-04-26 19:56:29 UTC https://padlet.com/sharonrowland/gml3rop64ril6ske/wish/2159190281