https://padlet.com/cmorgan15/g6e2oih2zz4w Walden 7th Period Group 5 en-us 2016-11-14 19:00:24 UTC 2016-11-18 03:29:59 UTC hello@padlet.com https://padlet.com/cmorgan15/g6e2oih2zz4w/wish/138260839 Thoreau states on page 216, " Solitude is not measured by the miles of space between a man and his fellows. The really diligent student in one of the crowded hives of Cambridge College is as solitary as a dervis in the desert." What does Thoreau imply is the true measure of solitude?]]> 2016-11-16 21:25:08 UTC https://padlet.com/cmorgan15/g6e2oih2zz4w/wish/138260839 https://padlet.com/cmorgan15/g6e2oih2zz4w/wish/138262374 On Page 217 Thoreau remarks, "We meet at the post-office, and at the sociable, and about the fireside every night; we live thick and are in each other's way and stumble over one another, and I think that we thus lose some respect for one another." Why would living "thick" create a loss of appreciation of one another according to Thoreau's views on solitude?]]> 2016-11-16 21:33:19 UTC https://padlet.com/cmorgan15/g6e2oih2zz4w/wish/138262374 https://padlet.com/cmorgan15/g6e2oih2zz4w/wish/138264055 On page 277, How does Thoreau's comparison of man to the life cycle of a butterfly (both larva and butterfly) relate to his view that there is perfection in simplicity?]]> 2016-11-16 21:42:33 UTC https://padlet.com/cmorgan15/g6e2oih2zz4w/wish/138264055 https://padlet.com/cmorgan15/g6e2oih2zz4w/wish/138370787 (Pg 217 question). By living thick, it seems that he's suggesting the size of the people or the size of the groups. And it makes people lose appreciatation because they no longer care what the people would be doing for them, that they're having to remain in this thick crowd of people that they lose their appreciation for all that's done. And if it is the size of the person, it's the people focusing too much on looks that if they go outside of societies image of perfect then they no longer care and lose respect. ]]> 2016-11-17 12:49:46 UTC https://padlet.com/cmorgan15/g6e2oih2zz4w/wish/138370787 https://padlet.com/cmorgan15/g6e2oih2zz4w/wish/138371965 (Pg 216 question). Based on that quote, Thoreau is implying that each person has different views on solitude. There are some who can feel solitude in a crowded room and some when they're by themselves. The true measure of solitude is simply what the person can take. For example, Thoreau was able to find solitude at Walden, but others may not have had to go that far to achieve the same feeling. ]]> 2016-11-17 12:54:14 UTC https://padlet.com/cmorgan15/g6e2oih2zz4w/wish/138371965 https://padlet.com/cmorgan15/g6e2oih2zz4w/wish/138372887 (Pg 277 question). Butterflies are known as one of the most simplistic but beautiful creatures. By comparing it to man himself, hes showing that man can evolve into something perfect, if they remain simplistic, like a butterfly. Man goes through evolution and gets so caught up in materialistic things that they go off track of what they truly need in life to be happy, then, Thoreau suggests by doing the opposite of that will in fact create perfection among mankind. ]]> 2016-11-17 12:57:44 UTC https://padlet.com/cmorgan15/g6e2oih2zz4w/wish/138372887 https://padlet.com/cmorgan15/g6e2oih2zz4w/wish/138373855 1. How does the following quote from page 211 show how Thoreau was able to achieve solitude while at Walden Pond; "when I return to my house I find that visitors have been there and left their cards, either a bunch of flowers, or a wreath of evergreen, 94 a name in pencil on a yellow walnut leaf or a chip."?]]> 2016-11-17 13:01:49 UTC https://padlet.com/cmorgan15/g6e2oih2zz4w/wish/138373855 https://padlet.com/cmorgan15/g6e2oih2zz4w/wish/138374340 2. The movement to Walden was a person experiment for Thoreau to determine what he can about human nature. What were the results he was hoping to discover?]]> 2016-11-17 13:03:50 UTC https://padlet.com/cmorgan15/g6e2oih2zz4w/wish/138374340 https://padlet.com/cmorgan15/g6e2oih2zz4w/wish/138374573 3. In Higher Laws, how does Thoreau figure out ways to "make a living" and to somehow still be able to interact with other people? ]]> 2016-11-17 13:04:53 UTC https://padlet.com/cmorgan15/g6e2oih2zz4w/wish/138374573 https://padlet.com/cmorgan15/g6e2oih2zz4w/wish/138403982 Thoreau's comparison of man to the life cycle of the butterfly shows that he believes the lives of man are quite simple, we start off young and afraid with no knowledge or experience. Then once we get the hang of life it changes again, as we are thrown out into the world. Yet then things get better. His comparison of man to a butterfly shows how he believes that the cycle of life is actually quite simple and perfect ]]> 2016-11-17 14:18:36 UTC https://padlet.com/cmorgan15/g6e2oih2zz4w/wish/138403982 https://padlet.com/cmorgan15/g6e2oih2zz4w/wish/138419823 2. By doing his experiment, Thoreau was hoping to discover what was truly important and necessary to get the most out of life. He wished to find by living in solitude that he would be able to escape the complications of life and embrace the value of nature. By living simply, Thoreau found a way of life that avoided the worry of luxuries and allowed him to focus more on the lessons of life and a more purposeful way of living. ]]> 2016-11-17 14:52:02 UTC https://padlet.com/cmorgan15/g6e2oih2zz4w/wish/138419823 https://padlet.com/cmorgan15/g6e2oih2zz4w/wish/138427727 1. The quote shows that Thoreau was able to achieve solitude by demonstrating his ability to remain distant from the complications of society, despite those that come by to leave their gifts. He isn't avoiding society as a whole, but instead he is avoiding the things that aren't necessary. Thoreau has found a companion in nature. He isn't alone, but rather he has all the company he needs in nature and the few visitors that come by because these companions don't bring worry and stress into his life. His relationship with solitude is an escape from the difficulty provided by the evils of society that can cause one to live an unfulfilled life.]]> 2016-11-17 15:07:17 UTC https://padlet.com/cmorgan15/g6e2oih2zz4w/wish/138427727 https://padlet.com/cmorgan15/g6e2oih2zz4w/wish/138454100 (Response) While writing my question about man being compared to larva and butterfly, I saw a similar but slightly different meaning. Instead of one unit, I saw the larva and butterfly to represent man in two different states. I do think that man in the state of a butterfly is one of simplicity and perfection because butterflies are the final step of the life cycle of a butterfly and require very little food and maintenance to sustain life. When Thoreau describes the larva, he implies that it is always searching for food. The state of the larva represents the imperfection of man as he searches for luxuries in life and fails to live simply, whereas the butterfly represents man in a state of simplicity and fulfillment. I do think that he describes it as a capable change and that things can get better as man gains knowledge throughout the cycle of life.]]> 2016-11-17 16:02:20 UTC https://padlet.com/cmorgan15/g6e2oih2zz4w/wish/138454100 https://padlet.com/cmorgan15/g6e2oih2zz4w/wish/138479036 (Response). I feel that your thoughts on the cycle of the larva and butterfly are right in that the larva is what starts off more simplistic and inexperienced. But I don't feel that Thoreau thinks of the entire cycle itself to be simple due to the many undergoings the larva and butterfly have to make to become simple in the end, as A.Jones had stated in her response as well. ]]> 2016-11-17 16:59:34 UTC https://padlet.com/cmorgan15/g6e2oih2zz4w/wish/138479036 https://padlet.com/cmorgan15/g6e2oih2zz4w/wish/138501617 1. In the beginning of solitude how does Thoreau's description of nature during during the walk show how he feels about the wilderness. ]]> 2016-11-17 17:58:17 UTC https://padlet.com/cmorgan15/g6e2oih2zz4w/wish/138501617 chemistry031015 https://padlet.com/cmorgan15/g6e2oih2zz4w/wish/138509919 2. On page 217 Thoreau tells a story about how a man got lost in the woods alone and started to die of famine but was spared of his loneliness by his mind playing tricks on him. what does this story reveal about some of Thoreau's possible fears. ]]> 2016-11-17 18:20:03 UTC https://padlet.com/cmorgan15/g6e2oih2zz4w/wish/138509919 chemistry031015 https://padlet.com/cmorgan15/g6e2oih2zz4w/wish/138511655 1. Thoreau was still able to have some contact with people just not the kind of contact that he would have considered as a hindrance to truly living. So he was able to achieve solitude due to others respecting what he wanted to do, somebody left him gifts so that means that they know where he is yet they chose to not interact with him and they rather just left him a gift to show that they support what he's doing. ]]> 2016-11-17 18:24:35 UTC https://padlet.com/cmorgan15/g6e2oih2zz4w/wish/138511655 chemistry031015 https://padlet.com/cmorgan15/g6e2oih2zz4w/wish/138513765 How does this quote from Higher Laws show how living in solitude is effecting Thoreau "I caught a glimpse of a woodchuck stealing across my path, and felt a strange thrill of savage delight, and was strongly tempted to seize and devour him raw; not that i was hungry then..."?]]> 2016-11-17 18:30:08 UTC https://padlet.com/cmorgan15/g6e2oih2zz4w/wish/138513765 https://padlet.com/cmorgan15/g6e2oih2zz4w/wish/138535966 2. I feel like Thoreau wanted to prove something by doing this experiment. He wanted to prove that true human nature is to be calm and to be at rest, he wanted to prove that humans don't need all of the unnecessary comfort objects that they think they need. ]]> 2016-11-17 19:23:27 UTC https://padlet.com/cmorgan15/g6e2oih2zz4w/wish/138535966 https://padlet.com/cmorgan15/g6e2oih2zz4w/wish/138538547 (Page 216 question) Thoreau is trying to show that being in solitude doesn't necessarily mean that you have to be in the middle of nowhere away from everybody. It's more of a mind set than it is a physical location. For example, people ]]> 2016-11-17 19:29:49 UTC https://padlet.com/cmorgan15/g6e2oih2zz4w/wish/138538547 https://padlet.com/cmorgan15/g6e2oih2zz4w/wish/138550641 Response (2). Thoreau definitely had fears of what could happen to him while he's out in the wilderness, when he hears of the man dying of famine, while he's having to find his own food and live alone scares him. It leaves him scared that he will end up "going crazy" and essentially killing himself by doing so because he will not have any kind of way to remain sane and any kind of good source. That displays his true fears from this story, the fact that he'll lose himself. ]]> 2016-11-17 20:04:02 UTC https://padlet.com/cmorgan15/g6e2oih2zz4w/wish/138550641 https://padlet.com/cmorgan15/g6e2oih2zz4w/wish/138552782 1. Thoreau's description of nature during his walk is very detailed showing that he is valuing even the smallest things that nature provides. He describes it as a "delicious evening" because he feels like he is truly absorbing the meaning nature and fulfilling his life. Thoreau doesn't feel that he is alone when he is in nature; he feels like he has a companion in it. He thinks that nature is what shapes our lives and that one must be appreciative of it to live purposefully. Thoreau tries to show this to his readers by describing his care for nature and the impact this has on his life.]]> 2016-11-17 20:11:01 UTC https://padlet.com/cmorgan15/g6e2oih2zz4w/wish/138552782 https://padlet.com/cmorgan15/g6e2oih2zz4w/wish/138553060 (Page 217 question) 
Living "thick" can cause somebody to loose apeciation for others. If you live with somebody and see them everyday then you can loose track of important they really are and be unable to apperciate what they do. Also it can make it almost impossible to achieve solitude because somebody is always there not allowing you to focus. ]]> 2016-11-17 20:11:57 UTC https://padlet.com/cmorgan15/g6e2oih2zz4w/wish/138553060 https://padlet.com/cmorgan15/g6e2oih2zz4w/wish/138573744 2. Like Kayla, I do think that Thoreau fears losing his sanity and himself, but I think something he may fear even more is losing what he truly set out to prove, that to live a fulfilling life one must live simply. In the case of the man, nature didn't provide what the man needed to allow his survival. The man's mind began to play tricks on him, and this was what caused his loneliness. I think that Thoreau's most deep fear is that nature may not end up providing a sufficient companion and will lead him into the same lonely state of the man. By loosing his companionship with nature and his sanity, he would be losing what he truly valued as a fulfilling lifestyle, one of simplicity and solitude.]]> 2016-11-17 21:43:41 UTC https://padlet.com/cmorgan15/g6e2oih2zz4w/wish/138573744 https://padlet.com/cmorgan15/g6e2oih2zz4w/wish/138582345 1) Do you think that in all that is talked about that money caused most greed?

2) Do you think society has caused people of our generation to conform?

3) Is individuality still exist in a generation of conformity?]]> 2016-11-17 22:44:13 UTC https://padlet.com/cmorgan15/g6e2oih2zz4w/wish/138582345 https://padlet.com/cmorgan15/g6e2oih2zz4w/wish/138582838 I think he meant distance of solitude as mental distance, not physical distance. Even though that may help, if you distance yourself mentally it's the difference. ]]> 2016-11-17 22:49:05 UTC https://padlet.com/cmorgan15/g6e2oih2zz4w/wish/138582838 https://padlet.com/cmorgan15/g6e2oih2zz4w/wish/138583285 I took it as he saw nature as something beautiful but something that is taken for granted. ]]> 2016-11-17 22:53:11 UTC https://padlet.com/cmorgan15/g6e2oih2zz4w/wish/138583285 https://padlet.com/cmorgan15/g6e2oih2zz4w/wish/138583491 You can see that he reached solitude by other seeing that he didn't conform to social norms. ]]> 2016-11-17 22:54:56 UTC https://padlet.com/cmorgan15/g6e2oih2zz4w/wish/138583491 https://padlet.com/cmorgan15/g6e2oih2zz4w/wish/138583890 i think by living thick he meant that we live so much through each other relying on others and technology that we've felt it's become a necessity. ]]> 2016-11-17 22:58:38 UTC https://padlet.com/cmorgan15/g6e2oih2zz4w/wish/138583890 https://padlet.com/cmorgan15/g6e2oih2zz4w/wish/138584097 I think it proved that his biggest fear is relying on others for your own sanity. ]]> 2016-11-17 23:00:34 UTC https://padlet.com/cmorgan15/g6e2oih2zz4w/wish/138584097 https://padlet.com/cmorgan15/g6e2oih2zz4w/wish/138601878 2)Current society has promoted conformity among today's youth. Our generation of kids is always striving for the most current things, whether it be the newest phone or a clothing trend. By doing this we are conforming to others due to a desire to "fit in". Those who don't "fit in" face ridicule from others which promotes most people to be conformists. Thoreau explored this idea by posing the question if society was truly "awake". He believed being awake meant being aware of ones surroundings and living free of modern complications that create conformity.]]> 2016-11-18 02:19:00 UTC https://padlet.com/cmorgan15/g6e2oih2zz4w/wish/138601878 https://padlet.com/cmorgan15/g6e2oih2zz4w/wish/138602303 1)  believe that Thoreau intended to prove the message through his experiment that luxury causes people to be greedy because they loss focus on the things that are truly important in a search for the luxuries for life. One of the most prevalent luxuries sought after it money. Money runs our society and has caused many people to lose sight of what is truly a purposeful life in search of it. Money truly is blinding to many people, and Thoreau tried to get away from this by living a life of simplicity.]]> 2016-11-18 02:23:20 UTC https://padlet.com/cmorgan15/g6e2oih2zz4w/wish/138602303 https://padlet.com/cmorgan15/g6e2oih2zz4w/wish/138606483 2. People are so afraid of judgment and of being different. Everyone wants to be just like one another and be "normal" because others frown upon it]]> 2016-11-18 03:19:54 UTC https://padlet.com/cmorgan15/g6e2oih2zz4w/wish/138606483 https://padlet.com/cmorgan15/g6e2oih2zz4w/wish/138606626 1. Thoreau talks about nature as though he is part of it. He feels connected to it. It surrounds him and overwhelms him and he becomes one with it. ]]> 2016-11-18 03:22:17 UTC https://padlet.com/cmorgan15/g6e2oih2zz4w/wish/138606626 https://padlet.com/cmorgan15/g6e2oih2zz4w/wish/138606785 2. Thoreau is afraid of being alone, but he says he is never alone and that he will never be alone, because he is connected to nature ]]> 2016-11-18 03:24:53 UTC https://padlet.com/cmorgan15/g6e2oih2zz4w/wish/138606785 https://padlet.com/cmorgan15/g6e2oih2zz4w/wish/138606844 3. Thoreau wanted to show dominance. He starts showing his true self with his desire to control all the world around him. ]]> 2016-11-18 03:26:08 UTC https://padlet.com/cmorgan15/g6e2oih2zz4w/wish/138606844 https://padlet.com/cmorgan15/g6e2oih2zz4w/wish/138606892 1. Thoreau implies loneliness is different from being alone and that you can be surrounded by people and still be lonely. You create your own loneliness by not allowing yourself to have any connection to other beings. ]]> 2016-11-18 03:27:06 UTC https://padlet.com/cmorgan15/g6e2oih2zz4w/wish/138606892 https://padlet.com/cmorgan15/g6e2oih2zz4w/wish/138607024 2. We try too hard to be what somebody else wants us to be, because we live by their set of rules instead of our own. ]]> 2016-11-18 03:29:20 UTC https://padlet.com/cmorgan15/g6e2oih2zz4w/wish/138607024