OFCN Socratic Seminar by April Adams https://padlet.com/adamsa62/OFCNDiscussion You are experts! Continue your discussion online and reply to one another's comments. Remember, you are discussing the LOGS. en-us 2017-10-12 15:56:28 UTC 2017-10-13 16:42:11 UTC hello@padlet.com One of the questions mentions how Chief Bromden has been developing throughout the story...then it asks if the development is detrimental? do you think this character development is good or bad? 1100318073 https://padlet.com/adamsa62/OFCNDiscussion/wish/196539571 2017-10-12 17:10:15 UTC https://padlet.com/adamsa62/OFCNDiscussion/wish/196539571 1100347485 https://padlet.com/adamsa62/OFCNDiscussion/wish/196540240 Why don't the African American Men do anything when the patients aren't listening to the Big Nurse at the end of Part One?]]> 2017-10-12 17:11:28 UTC https://padlet.com/adamsa62/OFCNDiscussion/wish/196540240 Audrey G 1100322557 https://padlet.com/adamsa62/OFCNDiscussion/wish/196540581 The African American Men's offenders mostly include the patients who do not cooperate and fight back. One of these patients is Paul. On page 53 it says "Pete had that big iron ball swinging all the way from his knees. The black boy whammed flat against the wall and stuck, then slid down to the floor like the wall there was greased." This shows how a patient can be a physical offender. Obviously McMurphy is an offender but opposed to just being physical he also degrades their power and gives them less control by standing up for what he wants and getting others to do so too. ]]> 2017-10-12 17:12:05 UTC https://padlet.com/adamsa62/OFCNDiscussion/wish/196540581 Although the black boys are aids in the institution, what are some things that they represent symbolically ? 1100315596 https://padlet.com/adamsa62/OFCNDiscussion/wish/196540672 2017-10-12 17:12:14 UTC https://padlet.com/adamsa62/OFCNDiscussion/wish/196540672 Jordan https://padlet.com/adamsa62/OFCNDiscussion/wish/196540740 (this is an answer)At the start of the story, we as readers get to see just how the Chief initially acts. He's shy, observant, and tries his best to stay out of trouble. We can see this when he blatantly avoids eye contact with the Nurse, his administrator, in chapter 1.
His character really starts to change when McMurphy is introduced into the novel. McMurphy is a new, extroverted, friendly patient, quite the opposite of Chief Bromden. Because of McMurphy's personality, and his way of doing things, the chief starts to change. A good example would be when at the end of part 1, he goes against the nurse, someone he was afraid of, in favor following McMurphy and the other patients to watch the blank TV.  ]]> 2017-10-12 17:12:22 UTC https://padlet.com/adamsa62/OFCNDiscussion/wish/196540740 Offender for African American Men 2000041706 https://padlet.com/adamsa62/OFCNDiscussion/wish/196540892  
The Patients: “…he don’t just submit with a weak little yes, he tells them right back in a loud, brassy voice that he’s already pretty damn clean…” (pg. 11) 

]]> 2017-10-12 17:12:39 UTC https://padlet.com/adamsa62/OFCNDiscussion/wish/196540892 How has the way women are treated in this time period affected how the big nurse behaves? 1100315596 https://padlet.com/adamsa62/OFCNDiscussion/wish/196541227 2017-10-12 17:13:17 UTC https://padlet.com/adamsa62/OFCNDiscussion/wish/196541227 Faith Faith_McColley https://padlet.com/adamsa62/OFCNDiscussion/wish/196542290 Why don't the African american men retaliate against the Big Nurse treating them like her own servants? Do they agree with her treating them like this? or are they just afraid to speak up just like the patients ?]]> 2017-10-12 17:15:09 UTC https://padlet.com/adamsa62/OFCNDiscussion/wish/196542290 How are some of the patients evolving based on their actions? 1100318073 https://padlet.com/adamsa62/OFCNDiscussion/wish/196543586 2017-10-12 17:17:33 UTC https://padlet.com/adamsa62/OFCNDiscussion/wish/196543586 Alex 1100347485 https://padlet.com/adamsa62/OFCNDiscussion/wish/196545951 McMurphy has also been changing, as he starts off as an offender and then develops to become quiet and obedient after he learns the Big Nurse controls when you leave ]]> 2017-10-12 17:22:13 UTC https://padlet.com/adamsa62/OFCNDiscussion/wish/196545951 In part two, McMurphy starts to obey Big Nurse and changes. How has McMurphy impacted the other patients, before and he changed? 1100300163 https://padlet.com/adamsa62/OFCNDiscussion/wish/196547203 2017-10-12 17:24:42 UTC https://padlet.com/adamsa62/OFCNDiscussion/wish/196547203 Symbols 2000043742 https://padlet.com/adamsa62/OFCNDiscussion/wish/196547520 They are there to symbolize the state of African Americans in their society. They are still controlled by a white person, and the only power they do have is based on violence/physical labor (dragging people away and stuff) This is a metaphor for how in that time (and occasionally in modern rimes) some people who weren't allowed into skilled]]> 2017-10-12 17:25:10 UTC https://padlet.com/adamsa62/OFCNDiscussion/wish/196547520 Sloan 1100297855 https://padlet.com/adamsa62/OFCNDiscussion/wish/196547678 The reason the Black Boys are in the book is because they want to show that all the norms of the Outside are not followed inside the ward.]]> 2017-10-12 17:25:25 UTC https://padlet.com/adamsa62/OFCNDiscussion/wish/196547678 Danny M https://padlet.com/adamsa62/OFCNDiscussion/wish/196548038 When McMurphy tried to pick up the big metal box what did this mean symbollically? What did this mean for McMurphy?]]> 2017-10-12 17:25:58 UTC https://padlet.com/adamsa62/OFCNDiscussion/wish/196548038 1100318363 https://padlet.com/adamsa62/OFCNDiscussion/wish/196550136 If the nurse is so powerful, why has she allowed for the patients to rebel so much? She could easily send McMurphy to get "treated" before and that would have allowed for things to have remained in her control.]]> 2017-10-12 17:29:43 UTC https://padlet.com/adamsa62/OFCNDiscussion/wish/196550136 Danny https://padlet.com/adamsa62/OFCNDiscussion/wish/196550336 What might thre nurse say if a voluntary patient said they wanted to leave? Would she somehow convince them to stay through her words?]]> 2017-10-12 17:30:04 UTC https://padlet.com/adamsa62/OFCNDiscussion/wish/196550336 Jordan If a good majority of all the patients have had the ability to leave for awhile now, why haven't they? https://padlet.com/adamsa62/OFCNDiscussion/wish/196550945

]]> 2017-10-12 17:31:09 UTC https://padlet.com/adamsa62/OFCNDiscussion/wish/196550945 The Nurse and Freedom 2000043742 https://padlet.com/adamsa62/OFCNDiscussion/wish/196551400 Even with all the nurse's power over the patients, the power of gender roles in the outside world still affects her. She is still a nurse instead of a doctor. And she still might have some bias about masculinity being "stronger" than femininity. She intentionally hides her feminine features and emasculates the men in the ward. So she is still working within the gender roles of society, just changing the power of the roles but not breaking them. She wasn't allowed to be a doctor due to gender so she made nurses better than doctors.]]> 2017-10-12 17:32:03 UTC https://padlet.com/adamsa62/OFCNDiscussion/wish/196551400 Alex 1100347485 https://padlet.com/adamsa62/OFCNDiscussion/wish/196553149 The patients have been rebelling since McMurphy came into the ward, they have started rebelling but their first major act was voting on the Tv and then not listening to the Big nurse. But as Audrey said about McMurphy letting the other patients handling it, Cheswick built up enough confidence to demand what he wanted and eventually kill himself for his freedom]]> 2017-10-12 17:34:54 UTC https://padlet.com/adamsa62/OFCNDiscussion/wish/196553149 1100297855 https://padlet.com/adamsa62/OFCNDiscussion/wish/196553501 Why do the African American men hate the patients? ]]> 2017-10-12 17:35:26 UTC https://padlet.com/adamsa62/OFCNDiscussion/wish/196553501 Can The Patients win against the nurse? 2000043742 https://padlet.com/adamsa62/OFCNDiscussion/wish/196554893 The story seems to follow a traditional story structure with the beginning introducing the characters and conflict, and this might be just the middle when the antagonist starts winning the conflict. However, it happens in part 2, while the "always darkest before the dawn moment" usually happens near the end of the story.]]> 2017-10-12 17:37:47 UTC https://padlet.com/adamsa62/OFCNDiscussion/wish/196554893 Why do you think all the voluntary patients feel like they wont be accepted outside of the ward? Even though they haven't left the ward to know what its like 1100300163 https://padlet.com/adamsa62/OFCNDiscussion/wish/196555374 2017-10-12 17:38:35 UTC https://padlet.com/adamsa62/OFCNDiscussion/wish/196555374 Why the Nurse isn't an offender of the Black Boys 2000015684 https://padlet.com/adamsa62/OFCNDiscussion/wish/196556576 What is meant by "offending" is when their power is threatened. For example, the patients offend the Big Nurse's power because they ignore her and challenge her power. However, the Big Nurse doesn't offend the Black Boys' power because this is the normal thing that happens in the story. The big nurse is supposed to be above the Black Boys in terms of power in the ward. So on page 5, when the narrator says, "She's going to tear the black bastards limb from limb, she's so furious," it's not a challenge of power, since she is supposed to "punish" them when they act out of her orders or disobey her.]]> 2017-10-12 17:40:38 UTC https://padlet.com/adamsa62/OFCNDiscussion/wish/196556576 1100297855 https://padlet.com/adamsa62/OFCNDiscussion/wish/196556686 The amount of voluntary patients really surprised me because they complain a lot about the Big Nurse and the conditions inside the ward. Do you think McMurphy will give any of the patients the confidence to leave the ward?]]> 2017-10-12 17:40:51 UTC https://padlet.com/adamsa62/OFCNDiscussion/wish/196556686 Do carson_w_kendrick https://padlet.com/adamsa62/OFCNDiscussion/wish/196892460 2017-10-13 16:42:02 UTC https://padlet.com/adamsa62/OFCNDiscussion/wish/196892460