Question 5 by Jennifer Trammell https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/ee11nvx478db Who better fits the definition of an archetypal tragic hero, Antigone or Creon? Choose one and balance your reasoning with text evidence. en-us 2017-04-26 13:02:57 UTC 2025-10-01 13:44:58 UTC hello@padlet.com Thienan Nguyen (2nd) https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/ee11nvx478db/wish/168381110 2017-04-26 14:18:10 UTC https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/ee11nvx478db/wish/168381110 Ashley Nguyen (2nd) https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/ee11nvx478db/wish/168397003 Creon better firs the definition of an archetypal tragic hero. Characteristics of an archetypal tragic hero is that there has to be a fall from a lofty position and they have to have affected the lives of others. Although Antigone has affected the life of many people in the city of Thebes, Creon has been the influence that caused this whole situation to begin with. In the beginning of "Antigone" translated by Ian Johnston, Antigone tells Ismene about the law that Creon passed. The law states that no one is to have a traditional burial for Polyneices and no one can mourn for him (lines 25-47). This stirred up the whole situation. If Creon didn't pass that law and just had a normal burial for Polyneices, no one would've been hurt. Antigone can't break a law if there wasn't one to begin with. But since Creon passed the law, that made Antigone break the law, which caused commotion in the family and led to three deaths. This impacts the citizens because they view the king as a trustworthy person and someone who can make rational decisions. But after a situation like this, the citizens would question Creon, causing more chaos in the city of Thebes.]]> 2017-04-26 14:58:24 UTC https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/ee11nvx478db/wish/168397003 Cindy Huynh (3rd) https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/ee11nvx478db/wish/168409640 Antigone better fits the definition of an archetypal tragic hero. She has more noble features than Creon since she is not consumed by the amount of power she has. Antigone is determined to honor her brother, while Creon only strives to dominate. As a tragic hero, Antigone has a hamartia, or tragic flaw, of being overconfident in believing that she would be able to beat the law. “But all your strength is weakness itself against the immortal unrecorded laws of God.” (Line 360-361) During her confrontation with Creon, Antigone still speaks highly of herself. But at the same time, she also acknowledged the fact that she might fail and is able to accept her potential death as an honorable one. “The death of mine is of no importance; but if I had left my brother lying in death unburied, I should have suffered.” (Line 369-371) Antigone continuously attempts to disprove Creon even though she knows that she’ll die soon.]]> 2017-04-26 15:33:04 UTC https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/ee11nvx478db/wish/168409640 Jedidyah Luu P3 https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/ee11nvx478db/wish/168435729 From a shallow perspective, the reader can determine that Creon is the  ideal tragic hero. However, both can be determined as tragic heroes when looked at opposite angles. However, Antigone fits the best description of an archetypal tragic hero.  She was presented as the difference maker of the story, having a will to fulfill her family duties to bury her brother. However, a tragic hero is distinguished from other heroes by a subtle flaw not apparent to the characters nor the audience. Her self proclamation of being a paragon of the story was key to determine her ill-fated death. 

 "Thebes, and you my fathers’ gods, And rulers of Thebes, you see me now, the last Unhappy daughter of a line of kings, Your kings, led away to death. You will remember What things I suffer, and at what men’s hands,  Because I would not transgress the laws of heaven. " LR 735

Moreover, the reader can also conclude that Antigone was somewhat self pitiful, indirectly suggesting that she considered herself a future martyr in the city of Thebes. However, the only weakpoint of Antigone's definition as an archetypal tragic hero is Sophocles's lack of description on her catharsis. Only her words of depression indicate her blindness, in which she completely disregarded the fact that there were people willing to stand by her side, such as Haemon and Ismene:

"Then let me go, since all your words are bitter, 705 And the very light of the sun is cold to me. Lead me to my vigil, where I must have Neither love nor lamentation; no song, but silence."  LR 705]]> 2017-04-26 16:49:13 UTC https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/ee11nvx478db/wish/168435729 Thi Nguyen (3rd) https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/ee11nvx478db/wish/168507229 Both Antigone and Creon have traits that make them the ideal archetypal tragic hero. A traditional Greek tragic hero would be recognized as someone who has a fatal flaw that leads to their downfalls. The decisions that the protagonist makes will dwindle down to a devastating ending that usually includes death and an event that could have been prevented or postponed. In the play “Antigone”, Creon and Antigone both demonstrate that they have flaws and are not perfect, however Antigone never has a moment of self-revelation to reminisce on what she did wrong and how her actions lead her to where she was now. But in contrast, Creon does demonstrate to the audience what his flaw is and how his mistakes lead to catastrophe. Creon’s flaw is not that he is a bad king, but rather he gets defensive, stubborn, and abrasive when challenged because he is insecure. He becomes prideful and boastful because of his position, which lead to the series of events that occurred in Antigone. When Creon says “Go join them, then; if you must have your love, Find it in hell!,” (lines 419-420) to Antigone, it demonstrates how his temper was out of line as King, but when he later compromises with the Choragus and Teiresias, “It is hard to deny the heart! But i Will do it: I will not fight with destiny” (lines 872-873) or “The laws of the gods are mighty, and a man must serve them To the last day of his life!,” (line 879) he shows character development. Creon and the audience together realize he was wrong, which was tragic because if he had made a better choice before the entire tragedy could’ve been avoided. ]]> 2017-04-26 21:43:34 UTC https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/ee11nvx478db/wish/168507229 Thuy Luong (2nd Period) https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/ee11nvx478db/wish/168508910 An archetypal tragic hero is a protagonist who experiences a downfall because of personal flaws or forces. I believe that Antigone is the best definition of an archetypal hero. However, both Creon and Antigone are tragic heroes because they both experience their own flaws in the end. Antigone plays the hero of the play, but her own flaw causes her downfall which is her death. A flaw so small for someone like Antigone cannot be depicted by the audience or even Antigone herself. In Antigone's last words she admits that she does not understand what she has done wrong by saying, "And yet, as men's hearts know, I have done no wrong...may his punishment equal my own" (Line 722-726). At this point the audience will realize for Antigone has done everything on her own and refuses to listen to anyone. Unlike Creon, Antigone does not realize that her own pride was wrong and ended her life leaving only the audience to know her flaw that led to her downfall. Her very last words says, "Unhappy daughter of a line of kings... Because I would no transgress the laws of heaven." (Line 735-736). She believes that everything she has done is right, but she may have realized she was a bit wrong in her own mind. ]]> 2017-04-26 22:04:19 UTC https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/ee11nvx478db/wish/168508910 Jico Nguyen 1st https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/ee11nvx478db/wish/168510801 Both characters Creon and Antigone demonstrate hubris in the play, but not only that they both experience catharsis, an major factors towards being a tragic hero. I would say although that Antigone is more fit to play the role of the tragic hero. Regardless of the title of the book itself, Antigone lost a lot towards the beginning of the book. She had lost her brother and to top that, she lost her sisters willingness, Iseme to help her.  And it was right that he should; but Polyneicês, They fought as bravely and died as miserably,-- They say that Creon has sworn No one shall burry him, no one mourn for him,( lines 16-20) You may do as you like Since apparently the laws of the god mean nothing to you. (59-60) Not only that Antigone develops self pride, which causes her to isolate herself from her family and friends, which would later on lead to nothing but a mental breakdown aka a Catharsis." Thebes, and you my fathers’ gods, And rulers of Thebes, you see me now, the last Unhappy daughter of a line of kings, Your kings, led away to death. You will remember What things I suffer, and at what men’s hands, Because I would not transgress the laws of heaven." LN 731-735.]]> 2017-04-26 22:32:42 UTC https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/ee11nvx478db/wish/168510801 Bao Nguyen (3rd) https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/ee11nvx478db/wish/168510859 Antigone best fits the definition of an archetypal tragic hero because of her development throughout the play. Initially she is portrayed as a valiant hero who had an intention that she would fulfill in mind. Antigone proclaims, “You have made your choice, you can be what you want to be./ But I will bury him; and if I must die,/ I say that this crime is holy…” (Line 54-56).” Despite her condition and opposition, she nevertheless wishes to follow her just goals. Furthermore, she falls prey to the same trap of many Greek heroes, which is a fatal flaw. She states, “I knew I must die, even without your decree:/ I am only mortal. And if I must die/ Now, before it is my time to die…” (Line 364-366). Her pride in following her intentions led to a punishment that was nearly inescapable. However she still prevails.

]]> 2017-04-26 22:33:27 UTC https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/ee11nvx478db/wish/168510859 Neysa Tong (1st) https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/ee11nvx478db/wish/168511051 An archetypal tragic hero is the character who experiences a downfall as a result of their flaws. In Antigone, this definition fits Creon more because his flaw was being too prideful as a king. He wished to be the greatest king which led him to forming decisions in which he attempted to help the city, but ended up causing his downfall. His major decision was to not bury Polyneices because he believed that Polyneices did not deserve to be honored. As a result of Creon’s flaw, which was being too prideful, he caused many events that eventually lead to the death of the people who are closest to him, including Haemon and his wife. Since Antigone opposed Creon’s decree, he punished her by locking her up. “Take her to the vault and leave her alone there. And if she lives or dies, that’s her affair, not ours.” (711) This event led to the death of Antigone, Haemon and Eurydice, in which Creon experiences a downfall at the end, “I have killed my son and my wife. I look for comfort; my comfort lies here dead.” (1035) ]]> 2017-04-26 22:36:21 UTC https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/ee11nvx478db/wish/168511051 Peter Mahsni 2nd https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/ee11nvx478db/wish/168513846 a archetypal tragic hero is the protagonist who has a downfall because of flaws and external forces I believe Antigone fits this perfectly.  In the being of the book Antigone is arguing with her sister to help her bury there brother. When Ismene does not agree it creates a flaw in Antigone which is isolation and stubbornness. This creates an idea in her head that if her own sister will not help nobody will therefore she does listen to anyone and isolates herself from everyone. Because the external forces and the flaw put in side her this creates her downfall which in this case is death, of not only herself but of Creon's son and wife.]]> 2017-04-26 23:21:39 UTC https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/ee11nvx478db/wish/168513846 Bill Truong 3rd period https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/ee11nvx478db/wish/168518952 Creon fits the definition of an archetypal tragic hero better than Antigone because Creon’s consequences for his evil actions has a more significant impact on the ending of the play. Even though the play is mainly about Antigone, the play contradicts itself by emphasizing and referring to the tragedy of Creon only. According to lines 994 through 998, Creon states, “This truth is hard to bear. Surely a god has crushed me beneath the hugest weight of heaven, and driven me headlong a barbaric way to trample out the thing I held most dear. The pains that men will take to come to pain!” Creon’s act of tyranny and defying the gods causes him to suffer from the death of his family, which is more significant than Antigone’s punishment for defying King Creon’s authority. Furthermore, the play conveys more about Creon’s tragedy than Antigone’s tragedy since Antigone’s tragedy becomes less meaningful toward the climax of the play.


]]> 2017-04-27 00:27:40 UTC https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/ee11nvx478db/wish/168518952 Rowland Akpojiyovwi (1st) https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/ee11nvx478db/wish/168522200 I think that Creon is better fit to be the tragic hero of this play because he experience hubris, and has a downfall because of it. Antigone does have a tragic end, however it is difficult to see any type of hubris that she has. She seems to be the perfect character in this play because she chooses to honor the gods over people. Creon, on the other hand, is too prideful at the start and believes in this own wisdom rather than the wisdom of the gods. This causes his nemesis at the end of the play, just like every other tragic hero in other tragedies. I think Creon is the tragic hero this play because it is clear to see the characteristics of a tragic hero in him, rather than Antigone. ]]> 2017-04-27 00:57:02 UTC https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/ee11nvx478db/wish/168522200 Nhi Vu 3rd https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/ee11nvx478db/wish/168524351 First, let's define what's tragic hero. A tragic hero is a person who makes judgement and leads to their own destruction. In this play, I believe that Creon will best fits with this title more than Antigone. Even though we can see that Antigone does have a downfall which is she was getting punished by getting locked up in the cave because of burying her brother. This doesn't mean anything, on the other hand, Creon shows more of tragic hero than Antigone. At first, Creon thinks he's all the best and he's the king, so he owns the land, everyone must listen to him. He punished everyone because they didn't listen to his laws. At the end, he was the only left in his family. His wife and his son both died by his actions. If he didn't do it, and punished Antigone for going against his "stupid" laws. His son and his wife won't died. Antigone didn't lose anything, she lost her fiance, but Creon lost both of his wife, his son, his power to order other people and also the respect of the citizens because from now on the citizens will know what happened and they won't obey him or his laws anymore. "I killed you, my son, without intending to, 
and you, as well, my wife. How useless I am now.
I don’t know where to look or find support" (Line 1486 - ]]> 2017-04-27 01:21:00 UTC https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/ee11nvx478db/wish/168524351 Lillian Tong (2nd) https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/ee11nvx478db/wish/168524616 Although both hold traits of a archetypical tragic hero, Creon is more of a archetypical tragic hero because he recognizes his faults and is not able to hide from the consequences. When Creon understands that his actions were against gods’ will, he wanted to avoid punishment immediately, “Go quickly: free Antigone from her vault And build a tomb for the body of Polyneices,” (lines 868-869). Also, in the Exodus, Creon wants to face death to bring stability to himself, but instead he must suffer through his punishment, “Big words are always punished, And proud men in old age learn to be wise,” (lines 1041-1042). Unlike Creon, Antigone does not fully recognize her deeds. In agreement with Patricia M. Lines’s “Antigone’s Flaw,” it does seem as if Antigone has hubris until her death, “my reward is death before my time!...I have done no wrong,” (lines 721-722). Furthermore, both characters do face the consequences of their hubris, but Antigone’s life has not really faced a dramatic change because based on the Greek beliefs, from the day she was born, she was already unfortunate due to Oedipus. Creon, however, must live through a profound change from being rich and powerful to being a sinner that has no privilege to rule. Thus, the audience experiences a stronger catharsis from Creon. Some may experience more sympathy for Antigone, but that is probably because we were exposed to her lost of family longer than Creon’s lost.]]> 2017-04-27 01:23:58 UTC https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/ee11nvx478db/wish/168524616 Maria Vidal (3) https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/ee11nvx478db/wish/168525087 Although both fit the role, Creon fits the definition of an archetypal tragic hero better because of all of his downfalls from the beginning to the end of the play. From the beginning of the story his ruling was already questionable to society, slowly he makes bad decisions from almost killing his own to sending Antigone to die in a cave causing a downward spiral losing most of his family and ruling power. He's downfall is based of his personal flaws of pride and arrogance, while outside forces such as his surroundings and pressures affect his downfall as well. " Lead me away. I have been rash and foolish. I have killed my son and my wife. I look for comfort; my comfort lies here dead. Whatever my hands have touched has come to nothing. Fate has brought all my pride to a thought of dust. (1034-1038)"

]]> 2017-04-27 01:28:42 UTC https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/ee11nvx478db/wish/168525087 Logan Caudillo (2nd) https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/ee11nvx478db/wish/168525631 Both Antigone and Creon have qualities that describe a tragic hero. However, Antigone never experiences any form of catharsis for her sins and instead just ends her life while remaining in ignorance. However, Creon does experience his downfall and go through a form of catharsis once he experiences the death of both his son and his wife. He realizes that he was a fool and should have listened to what the people were saying. The text from Antigone states, " Haimon my son, so young, so young to die, I was the fool, not you; and you died for me." (991-992)]]> 2017-04-27 01:33:29 UTC https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/ee11nvx478db/wish/168525631 Huy Ha 2nd https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/ee11nvx478db/wish/168525894 Creon is more so like an archetypal tragic hero. General guidelines are the hero is an understandable or likable person who the audience can be emotionally attached to. Secondly, the hero falls due to a personal flaw. After the fall the hero undergoes a catharsis. This sequence is much more apparent in Creon than it is in Antigone. Creon's viewpoint on the issues that bring about the tragedy are understandable - you would not want to honor the enemy. His stubbornness leads to some rash actions that lead to tragic events like the suicide of his son. "My own blind heart has brought me From darkness to final darkness. Here you see The father murdering, the murdered son–– And all my civic wisdom!" (Lines 987-990) He then undergoes a catharsis, where he realizes that he was wrong for doing so, that he was the one that caused all these problems.  ]]> 2017-04-27 01:35:52 UTC https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/ee11nvx478db/wish/168525894 Thao Le 1st https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/ee11nvx478db/wish/168526107 The definition of an archetypal tragic hero is when a person experience downfall because of their flaws. In Antigone, both Antigone and Creon are archetypal tragic hero, but I personally think it fits more for Creon.  Since Creon want to be a perfect king himself, he has let his stubbornness and flaw blinds him from knowing the right from wrong. Which then causes him to make decisions that lead to the death of his son, wife. (Scene 4, Line 58). Also Creon tell his guard to lock Antigone up and if she dies then she cause it herself and his hand is clean from it. But because he told the guards to leave her alone, she was able to kill herself without anyone stopping her. (Scene 4, Line 57). ]]> 2017-04-27 01:38:14 UTC https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/ee11nvx478db/wish/168526107 Diana Cao (1st) https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/ee11nvx478db/wish/168527771 Creon would better fit the definition of an archetypal tragic hero. An archetypal tragic hero would refer to one that, due to their flaws, experiences downfall. This would fit better with Creon due to how he had hubris (excessive pride), which was his flaw. He had pride in his position, but also took it seriously - he wanted to protect Thebes, and because Polyneices was a traitor, he declared that Polyneices was not to be buried. However, Antigone did not agree and went on to bury him. Despite her being his niece, Creon maintained his order and punished her by locking her away. Due to his flaw, he faced a downfall in which members of his family died - his wife, son, and niece; although he attempted to fix his errors after hearing Teiresias, it was too late since his downfall begun starting from when he refused to bury Polyneices. “‘Surely a god has crushed me beneath the hugest weight of heaven, and driven me headlong a barbaric way to trample out the thing I held most dear.’” (994-997)

]]> 2017-04-27 01:53:46 UTC https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/ee11nvx478db/wish/168527771 Trang Le (2nd) https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/ee11nvx478db/wish/168527979 An archetypal tragic hero is a figure who undergoes a destruction as a consequence of their flaws. Although Antigone has some flaws of her own, Creon has more because of his pride serving as a king. King Creon's goal was to be the greatest king alive. He thought that he was helping out Thebes, but turns out Creon made numerous poor choices that lead to a destruction. One of the many unfortunate decisions he made was not to give Antigone's brother Polynices a proper burial because he was not honored. After Creon's law to not bury Polynices, and his belief that he was a prideful king came to the destruction point. He caused the death of his wife and his son, Hamon. Antigone got locked up because she decided to reject Creon's decree. (Line 711) In the end, all three characters die which is the perfect demonstration of an archetypal tragic hero. (Line 1035)]]> 2017-04-27 01:55:49 UTC https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/ee11nvx478db/wish/168527979 Ngoc Nguyen (3rd) 303719 https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/ee11nvx478db/wish/168529071 Creon better fits the definition of an archetypal tragic hero as literarydevices.net defines a tragic hero as a hero that “sometimes he faces downfall as well. When a hero confronts downfall, he is recognized as a tragic hero… Aristotle defines a tragic hero as ‘a person who must evoke a sense of pity and fear in the audience. He is considered a man of misfortune that comes to him through error of judgement’ and brings his downfall to evoke the feelings of pity and fear among the audience.” Creon’s flaw was hubris because he thinks that “My voice is the one voice giving orders in this City!”(600) but he overlooked this at the end of the play as he confronts his downfall and decided to atleast listen to Teiresias based on lines 72-73 stating “It is hard to deny the heart! But i Will do it: I will not fight with destiny.” Creon, unlike Antigone who also possessed a flaw of hubris and self-certainty looked passed her flaw without confronting it, faced up to his own flaw. Creon also evoked a sense of fear in the audience because of his power as a king and how everyone can die at his hands for defying the law, such as Antigone, and pity because he is a irrational king that lost his loved ones because of his decisions. One might argue that Antigone also had pity, but her actions are seen as heroic because she defied against mankind’s law and order and sided with the will of the gods. As pointed out by Patricia Lines in Antigone’s Flaw, “She asserts God’s law over man’s law. Especially in our own time, where we formally recognize the superiority, within specified spheres, of individual right over the demands of overly broad laws, Antigone seems a genius beyond her time.” She doesn’t seem to recognize her flaw or confronts it, instead the audience views her as more heroic rather than pitiful and fearful during her time and as a result, she is unfitting for a tragic hero as seen as our present time. ]]> 2017-04-27 02:05:22 UTC https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/ee11nvx478db/wish/168529071 Diep Ly 3rd ngocdieply https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/ee11nvx478db/wish/168533050 Antigone fits the definition of a tragic hero way more than Creon. Sure Creon may have had a downfall due to hubris, a flaw, but a tragic hero has to start from the top and then fall. The problem with calling Creon a tragic hero is that no one like him and he was rebelled against from the beginning. In lines 231-232 the guard says," And one of us had to do it! We threw the dice, And the bad luck fell to me. So here I am." They literally threw dice to see who would come to see him so they obviously don't like him. On the other hand, Antigone starts off very noble to the audience as she follows the gods' wills and is strong. She seeks to make a difference and does so in a very flashy way. Only later at the end does she have a downfall because she ended up also having hubris. In Antigone's Flaw, the author brings up this passage, "You showed respect for the dead. 
So we for you: but power 
is not to be thwarted so. 
Your self-sufficiency has brought you down." She starts off high and that's what makes her fall so hard.]]> 2017-04-27 02:41:05 UTC https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/ee11nvx478db/wish/168533050 VIENNE NGUYEN 3 https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/ee11nvx478db/wish/168533161 In “Antigone’s Flaw”, Patricia M Lines said “Antigone does not seem to fit the Aristotelian formula and I agree with her. According to Aristotle he said “a man doesn’t become a hero until he can see the root of his downfall” and that he/she has a flaw, reverse in fortune, discovery that their actions brought them down, and hubris. With that being said I think that King Creon is the archetypal tragic hero. “Do you want me to show myself dam to people? Shows the excessive pride in Creon. He also tries denies hints of his pride from Teiresias and Haemon. Throughout the play Creon decided to listen to Teiresias and tried to undo what he did to Polyneices and Antigone but it was to late which brought him to his “downfall” (he didn’t die but he did suffer). “My own blindness has brought me from darkness to final darkness. Here you see the father murdering the murdered son and all my civil wisdom.” Show the discovery that his action has brought him to his low point. ]]> 2017-04-27 02:42:12 UTC https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/ee11nvx478db/wish/168533161 Selena Nguyen 2nd https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/ee11nvx478db/wish/168534057 Although both Antigone and Creon can be an archetypal tragic hero, Creon is better fit as one because you can clearly see his downfall due to his poor judgement, greed, and hubris. At the beginning when Creon thought he had everything, and that everyone was in his will because he was king, he showed a poor judgement in the fact that he was greedy and prideful as a king without yielding to his own kingdom. " My voice is the one voice giving orders in this City! " (Antigone, Line 596) and later on after Creon has lost his wife, his son, his niece (and his soon to be daughter in law), Creon also realizes that all of his wrongdoings lead to this event therefore making him a tragic hero with more than one flaw that lead to his downfall.  ]]> 2017-04-27 02:52:27 UTC https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/ee11nvx478db/wish/168534057 Ethan Ngo (2nd) https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/ee11nvx478db/wish/168534121 In the play Antigone both Antigone and Creon can be described as archetypal tragic heroes. But it seems to me that Creon traits stick out more and his personal flaws cause more problems than that of Antigone. Since Creon has this huge flaw that is technically the who problem of the play. He has to much pride and honor which controls his conscious. (375-385) " Like father, like daughter: both headstrong, deaf to reason! She has never learned to yield. She has much to learn. The inflexible heart breaks first, the toughest iron Cracks first, and the wildest horses bend their necks At the pull of the smallest curb. Pride? In a slave? This girl is guilty of a double insolence, Breaking the given laws and boasting of it. Who is the man here, She or I, if this crime goes unpunished? Sister’s child, or more than sister’s child, Or closer yet in blood––she and her sister Win bitter death for this! " in this line he shows his pride and what he actually thinks and this is how he tends to look at things which causes many problems for antigone. ]]> 2017-04-27 02:53:13 UTC https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/ee11nvx478db/wish/168534121 Tien Vo-3rd period https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/ee11nvx478db/wish/168534576 Creon better fits the definition of an archetypal tragic hero than Antigone. Regardless of Antigone's death that is caused by her righteousness, there is not much to see the development of her character in the play. On the other hand, Creon is shown as a hero who is determined to put Thebes back in order after the death of the previous rulers with his new rules that are enforced in any mean necessary.  But his pride makes him believe that "[His] voice is the one voice giving orders in this City!" and no one else (596). This is the cause of his downfall, however, we can see the development of Creon when he reconsider after the conversation with Tiresias. His ability to change is what made this a tragedy because it is already too late to fix his mistakes. Gods are already angered and punished him with the death of his son and wife. At the end, Creon admits his flaws as he says " I have been rash and foolish" (1034). But nothing will changes just as Creon states earlier "If dirges and planned lamentations could put of death,
Men would be singing for ever" (708-709). ]]> 2017-04-27 02:58:04 UTC https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/ee11nvx478db/wish/168534576 Luan Nguyen 2nd https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/ee11nvx478db/wish/168535358 Although Creon would make a good candidate as the best archetypal tragic hero, Antigone takes the cake as the best. She demonstrates the characteristics of a tragic hero for she is fearless, brave, and daring. She has traits of a tragic hero and says things a hero would say. Before her pursuit of burying her brother, she acknowledges the risks and dangers of this mission and even expects to die and has no problem with it. Also, the "crime" she is committing is an honorable one and is for the sake of family and honor. In Lines 55-59,  Antigone states, " But I will bury him; and if I must die, I say that this crime is holy: I shall lie down With him in death, and I shall be as dear To him as he to me." She is passionate about her mission and is love for her brother is immeasurable. ]]> 2017-04-27 03:07:08 UTC https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/ee11nvx478db/wish/168535358 Salar Sanati (3rd Period) https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/ee11nvx478db/wish/168536084 Creon in my eyes is the essential archetypal hero in our story. He experiences a major flaw and that being his law making and poor decision making skills which were selfish and went against the god's will. Once he experiences the consequences for his actions for doing so he learns from his mistake and ends up losing his son's life and his. This was all due to his hubris, which brings a tragic ending to it and makes him fit right in the position. (Lines 1034-1036) " I have been foolish, I have killed my son and my wife. I look for comfort; my comfort lies here dead."]]> 2017-04-27 03:14:59 UTC https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/ee11nvx478db/wish/168536084 Danny Le (3rd 273804 https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/ee11nvx478db/wish/168537189 An archetypal tragic hero is one that faces a downfall from their position of happiness or power because of their personal flaws and other forces. Although both fit this role, Creon fits this better. Creon is more of a archetypal tragic hero because Creon had it all: power, a loving family, and the leader of Thebes. However, the king lost so much because of his personal flaw of thinking that because he is king that everything he desires is law and that everyone has to follow no matter what. This mindset is shown in the the play where Creon himself states, "My voice is the one voice giving orders in this City!" (596). Creon's determination that his word is say is shown when he punishes Antigone even with what she is doing is right and that she's respecting and staying loyal to her family. Had he consider that her action meant no harm and only respect for her brother and family, he could had comprised with Antigone and not put her in that cave and thus prevent her death. This eventually led to the death of his wife and son along with the respect of the people for him as a king. However, Creon was firm of his word would not budge, even with the words of his son and a prophet. "The State is the King!" (598, Creon to Haemon). It was not until he was scared of the prophet's words that he changed his mind, but by that time, it was to late, and everything started to fall in place, and Creon's life become tragic.




]]> 2017-04-27 03:28:18 UTC https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/ee11nvx478db/wish/168537189 Phuong Nguyen 3rd https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/ee11nvx478db/wish/168537868 Creon fits the description of an archetypal hero because he experienced hubris, as characters in Greek tragedies often do. Then, he loses his loved ones and realizes his mistakes and ends the play guilt-striken. He engulfs himself with blame as stated in line 1035, "Lead me away. I have been rash and foolish.
I have killed my son and my wife. 1035
I look for comfort; my comfort lies here dead.
Whatever my hands have touched has come to nothing.
Fate has brought all my pride to a thought of dust. ]]> 2017-04-27 03:36:23 UTC https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/ee11nvx478db/wish/168537868 David Balogun (1st) https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/ee11nvx478db/wish/168538260 The tragic hero is the protagonist who experiences a large downfall due to personal flaws and external forces Creon is the tragic hero of Antigone. He matches Aristotle's definition of a tragic hero exactly. He is of noble birth, because he is the king and because he was formerly the brother of the queen (Jocasta) and the uncle of the king (Eteocles). Second is his flaw, which is hubris, overbearing pride. He is so overconfident in himself that he ignores the law of the gods and everyone else's advice.]]> 2017-04-27 03:41:24 UTC https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/ee11nvx478db/wish/168538260 Tiffany Dang(2nd) https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/ee11nvx478db/wish/168538504 As indicated by Aristotle the lamentable saint brings out our pity and dread on the off chance that he is neither altogether great nor completely shrewd yet a blend of both. The terrible impact is more grounded if the legend is more good than we are. The terrible legend experiences an adjustment in fortune bliss to wretchedness due to a mixed up act which he performs because of his hamartia; a mistake of judgment'; one a type of hamartia is hubris-pride' which drives the terrible legend to disregard or damage a celestial cautioning or good law. The grievous legend summons our pity on the grounds that he is not malevolent and his mishap is more prominent than he merits, and he summons the dead since we understand we are questionable and could make a similar mistake. Antigone is the heroine. Creon gets what he commits. S the text shows what Creon had stated, "But all your strength is weakness itself against the immortal unrecorded laws of God.(line 360-361)

]]> 2017-04-27 03:43:50 UTC https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/ee11nvx478db/wish/168538504 Jason Bang Period 2 https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/ee11nvx478db/wish/168538921 Creon is more of the archetypal tragic hero. He was a king, a nobleman, and fell because of his excessive pride/hubris. In Lines 1041-1042, it is shown that Creon has to suffer the consequences for his sins. Creon cannot die an easy death. He must be accountable for what he has done. Creon did attempt to correct his wrongdoings, which is a sign of his loss of pride. He fits Aristotle's definition perfectly, being of high status and falling to the ground.]]> 2017-04-27 03:49:24 UTC https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/ee11nvx478db/wish/168538921 Khang Le (1st Period) https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/ee11nvx478db/wish/168539181 "A man doesn't become a hero until he can see the root of his own downfall" Aristotle once stated. Defined by Aristotle, a tragic hero is a literary character who makes an error in judgement that leads to the destruction of their own self. In Antigone, the character that greatly upholds this definition is King Creon. Throughout the entire story,  Creon easily represents Aristotle's definition as he is overwhelmed with hubris. A particular reason for his excessive pride lies within his authorial placement within society. With such great power comes great greed, and this is easily portrayed by Creon. Aggravated, Creon states, "If dirges and planned lamentations could put of death, Men would be singing for ever. [To the SERVANTS:] Take her, go! You know your orders: take her to the vault And leave her alone there. And if she lives or dies, That’s her affair, not ours: our hands are clean." (Lines 708-713) When provoked by Antigone, Creon refuses to listen, primarily due to the fact that he is too indulged in his arrogance to consider the thoughts of others. From this, Antigone proceeds to end her life. Following her death, Haemon and Euridice proceeds to commit suicide as well in grief of Antigone's death.  As a result of the tragedy that has occurred within Creon's family, Creon becomes filled with sorrow as he suffers from a catharsis and lives a life in misery. In the end, Creon declares "Let it come, Let death come quickly, and be kind to me. I would not ever see the sun again." (Lines 1027-1029)]]> 2017-04-27 03:53:12 UTC https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/ee11nvx478db/wish/168539181 Vivian Uzoechi (1st) 3063331 https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/ee11nvx478db/wish/168540361 The archetypal tragic hero is defined as a protagonist who experiences a large downfall due to personal flaws and external forces. At a first glance, it is easy to assume that Antigone is this tragic hero. However, I believe that Creon is interpreted as the tragic hero in this play. Although this is the antagonist of the novel, he experiences a greater downfall because of his personal flaws and the actions of the gods. I would vote against Antigone because she does not experience as great a downfall. From the beginning of the play, Antigone knew that no political good would come out of her actions, rather a divine assurance. She says, “”...I will bury him; and if I must die,/ I say that this crime is holy (55-56)” Creon, however, does not already realize that he is flawed in his judgement and need to rule. The external force (the gods) carried out their will, which led to Creon’s emotional breakdown. When his family dies, he finally sees the error in his judgement and begs for death, saying “ I alone am guilty./ I know it, and I say it. Lead me in,/ Quickly, friends. I have neither life nor substance. Lead me in. (1221-1224)”]]> 2017-04-27 04:07:48 UTC https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/ee11nvx478db/wish/168540361 Caitlin Tran (3rd period) https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/ee11nvx478db/wish/168540595 Although both characters of Antigone fit the role of an archetype tragic hero, Creon better fits the description of the tragic hero. From the beginning of the play till the end, Creon was flawed and filled with extreme amounts of hubris. While Antigone was also flawed, Creon would top Antigone and her hubris as Creon would have the biggest downfall in the play. He believes he is the greatest and most superior in the polis, and due to this hubris, Creon slowly began to face his flaws which would eventually lead to his greatest downfall; the death of Eurydice and Haemon. Nearing the end of the play, the Choragos states "But here is the King himself: oh look at him, Bearing his own damnation in his arms." (Lines 984-985). This text evidence tells the readers that King Creon met with his tragic fate as he was at the arch of his downfall.]]> 2017-04-27 04:10:41 UTC https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/ee11nvx478db/wish/168540595 Thienan Nguyen (2nd) https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/ee11nvx478db/wish/168541208 Between Creon and Antigone, the one that fits the definition of an archetypal tragic hero would have to be Antigone because her flaw of self reliance created her downfall. Creon eventually had a moment of realization of what he had done but Antigone never stopped to listen to those around her. She thought that only her opinion was right and everyone else's was wrong, that was her downfall. In Antigone's Flaw it states, "Antigone’s self-certainty and self-isolation cut short all possibilities for full deliberation. Yet full deliberation was needed to persuade Creon to change his mind. Had Antigone not isolated herself from her sister, Ismene would have stood by her side. Had she sought out Haemon, she would have had another ally. It seems likely that Eurydice, Haemon’s mother and Creon’s wife, would have joined the children’s revolt." If she had opened herself up to those who were trying to reach out to her and give her advice, she would have escaped tragedy. ]]> 2017-04-27 04:18:12 UTC https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/ee11nvx478db/wish/168541208 Trinh Vu (3rd) https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/ee11nvx478db/wish/168541471 Antigone is a better definition of an archetypal tragic hero. Although she is much more flawed, she believes in herself and her family making her strong besides Creon only residing on his powers as King. She was very determined to bring honor to her brother which is also a family member of King Creon. With much pride and honor, she is just like her father as Creon describes "Like father, like daughter" (Line 375-385). They were headstrong in what they believe so even thought she broke a law, there was a reasonable reason for her to do it as she describes that the gods wanted her to do it.  " The immortal unrecorded laws of God. They are not merely now: they were, and shall be, Operative for ever, beyond man utterly." (Lines 361-363). As a hero they go for what they believe in and that is what Antigone did. Although she did that, this then became her downfall. ]]> 2017-04-27 04:19:50 UTC https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/ee11nvx478db/wish/168541471 Kayla Ho (2nd) https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/ee11nvx478db/wish/168541865 I believe that Antigone better fits the description of archetypal tragic hero. Antigone fights for what she believes in, she has the strength and will to break the law, etc. Antigone says, “Leave me my foolish plan: I am not afraid of the danger; if it means death, It will not be the worst of deaths ––death without honor.” (Sophocles 79-81) Antigone represents loyalty, independence, courage, and strength. In this one character, we are able to see traits and characteristics that we, the viewer/reader would like to see in ourselves. Antigone is a universal symbol of the perfect character. ]]> 2017-04-27 04:24:46 UTC https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/ee11nvx478db/wish/168541865 Truc Phan 3rd 279126 https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/ee11nvx478db/wish/168542433 Antigone does not fit the mold of a tragic hero as much as King Creon does in this story. Creon starts off by denying Antigone and anyone in Thebes the right to bury the dead Polyneices as it was banned. This causes Antigone to rebel against him in honor of her brother and bury him despise his laws. The consequence Antigone is given is where Creon suffers more than ever. He kills her and only then realizes at the end after he is told that he would have a bad omen if he did not get her back. Due to his rash consequence, this causes him to go into a state of panic almost as he decides to try and unbury her. This was the main point of his downfall as he had killed 3 out of 4 of his brother's children-siblings, whom all of the Kingdom of Thebes adored which could only cause problems in the future of his rule. (Sophocles 994- 998) This truth is hard to bear. Surely a god
 Has crushed me beneath the hugest weight of heaven, And driven me headlong a barbaric way
 To trample out the thing I held most dear. 

The pains that men will take to come to pain!"

]]> 2017-04-27 04:31:16 UTC https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/ee11nvx478db/wish/168542433 Newton Huynh (1st) https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/ee11nvx478db/wish/168543706 I believe that in Sophocles's Antigone, the protagonist, Antigone, better resembles the general archetypes and stereotypes of a tragic hero. According to the article, “Antigone’s Flaw” written by Lines, she says “According to Aristotle, tragedy requires, among other things, a character whom we admire greatly, but who possesses a flaw—hamartia, or some error in judgment. He falls from happiness into misery as the play progresses.” Considering that statement, it is clear that between Creon and Antigone, Antigone is the stronger candidate as the tragic hero. In order to fit the archetype of a tragic hero, the character must be noble and respected by the audience. It is clear that in this department, the righteousness and good morals of Antigone far outweigh the cruel harshness and cold judgement of King Creon. For instance, when debating about the injustice Creon has committed against Polyneices, Antigone states, “I am not afraid of the danger; if it means death, It will not be the worst of deaths ––death without honor” (Lines 80-81). The honor system and self-drive of Antigone make it easy for the audience member to respect her and see her as the protagonist. Not only do we respect Antigone for her character and personality, but we also are able to see her flaw as the play develops. As I mentioned in Question #3, the eventual suffering and suicide of Antigone reveals a deeper tragic flaw or hamartia  within Antigone that is not so apparent at the get go: her hubris of the utmost self-certainty. Through her unwillingness to yield to the wishes of even her own sister and lover, her unyielding nature causes her her ultimate demise. As the Chorus said best, “Like father, like daughter: both headstrong, deaf to reason!  She has never learned to yield...The inflexible heart breaks first, the toughest iron Cracks first, and the wildest horses bend their necks At the pull of the smallest curb” (Lines 375-379). As a result of this hamartia she not only causes her own demise, but also the demise of the people around her. Haemon kills himself in the name of his love for Antigone which then leads to  Eurydice killing herself in the name of her two dead sons which eventually leads to the ultimate demise of King Creon- suffering with the knowledge that his actions murdered his own family. Therefore, because Antigone is easily respected by the audience, possesses a fatal, tragic flaw of self-righteousness, and causes a great downfall because of that flaw, Antigone better resembles the archetype of a tragic hero.]]> 2017-04-27 04:45:14 UTC https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/ee11nvx478db/wish/168543706 Wayne Wong (1st) https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/ee11nvx478db/wish/168544001 I believe that Creon would be our best fit for an archetypal tragic hero. He expresses hamartia, a tragic flaw, that ultimately leads to his downfall in an emotional rampage, catharsis, the loss of his wife and son. Creon's tragic flaw was his stubbornness, his excessive pride in his decision. "Yes I accuse her sister of an equal part in scheming this, this burial." (547) Compared to Antigone, Creon openly displays his flaw. In Antigone's Flaw, it is stated that her flaw is extremely subtly and therefore could exist within anyone. But Creon's flaw brings about the most emotional tragedy, the lost of loved ones. Antigone merely blinds herself from the truth, shoving away her loved ones, and instead is the one that leaves them. "I am the last of my family." (844). Creon realizes his error in the end yet faces the brunt of his tragedy. Therefore, he is the true archetypal tragic hero in Antigone.]]> 2017-04-27 04:48:34 UTC https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/ee11nvx478db/wish/168544001 Ivana Nguyen (2nd) https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/ee11nvx478db/wish/168544030 The definition of an archetypal tragic hero is the protagonist who experiences great amount of downfall due to personal flaws and external forces. This goes to show that both Antigone and Creon has faced some sort of distressed throughout the play. However, Creon pops out more due to the aftermath of his son’s, wife’s, and niece’s death. Creon has excessive pride. He shows this by not able to yield the punishment of Antigone just because of a law he created. He proclaims, “Who is the man here / She or I, if this crime goes unpunished?” (line 382, 383). This shows he does not want to be seen as a coward for a family member and so he punishes Antigone for the law but reconsiders it. It was too late and Antigone, Haemon, and Eurydice had committed suicide.]]> 2017-04-27 04:48:46 UTC https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/ee11nvx478db/wish/168544030 Giau Tran - 2nd https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/ee11nvx478db/wish/168544076 In the sequel of Sophocles play, both characters would fit the title of a tragic hero. However, many characteristic would make Antigone triumph over Creon for the archetypal tragic hero despite having less appearance in the play. Since she was the offspring of Oedipus, she have to pay for his past sin and her fate our on the same path of that of her father. Despite having her fate to be doom and having great suffering, she ignored all else to show her respect for her dead brother. Within the play, she even said, "Leave me my foolish plan: I am not afraid of danger; if it mean death..." showing that she understand her fate and that she wouldn't mind it, which made her suffered later on in the play and eventually led her to her doom. ]]> 2017-04-27 04:49:20 UTC https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/ee11nvx478db/wish/168544076 Vinh Phan (3rd) 371655 https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/ee11nvx478db/wish/168544094 Antigone better fits the definition of an archetypal tragic hero. "And yet, as men's hearts know, I have done no wrong ... may his punishment equal my own," (lines 722 and 726) from Antigone shows the effort she put into her honorable cause, but still fell because of her tragic flaw. Due to Creon's decree regarding the body of Polynieces, he would have the role of the antagonist in the story, since his actions go against Greek ideology.]]> 2017-04-27 04:49:31 UTC https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/ee11nvx478db/wish/168544094 David Duong (1st) https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/ee11nvx478db/wish/168544104 Creon more fits the role of  an archetypal tragic hero. Although, Antigone does show traits of one, Creon shows more suffering for his actions and constant pain. "Antigone's Flaw" by Patricia M. Lines stated, "In minor eddies within the play, the Aristotelian formula applies—especially to Creon, usually judged to be excessively harsh." Furthermore, it is said in the writing the Antigone does not match the Aristotelian formula. The punishments given to Creon were more extreme and on a higher level compared to Antigone's suffering. He was simply put through more pain for his actions as one of the "protagonists" in this tragedy.]]> 2017-04-27 04:49:38 UTC https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/ee11nvx478db/wish/168544104 Jasmin Sosa (1st) https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/ee11nvx478db/wish/168544195 In Sophocles's play, there are many things that could characterize both Antigone and Creon as an archetypal tragic hero. While they could each fit the title, I feel as if Antigone is more of a tragic hero. This is because she possesses more qualities that would identify her as a tragic hero. Inside of Antigone's flaw, they mention that "According to Aristotle, tragedy requires, among other things, a character whom we admire greatly, but who possesses a flaw—hamartia, or some error in judgment. He falls from happiness into misery as the play progresses through what is sometimes translated as "serious action," action which is complete, noble, and poetical." Antigone matches the description perfectly. This is because within her progression, we see her as someone who is brave, justified, and a hero. While she is seen as someone good, she does have an error in judgement. This stems from her arrogance and obliviousness. Throughout the play, she only sees one goal and sticks to it, but in the process, ignored her other duties. This includes being a good sister, abiding by laws, and doing her best to see the big picture. Because of this, you can characterize Antigone as a better tragic hero.]]> 2017-04-27 04:50:50 UTC https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/ee11nvx478db/wish/168544195 Johnny La (3rd) https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/ee11nvx478db/wish/168544316 Creon is the most  archetypal tragic hero because he had flaws that caused his whole life to mess up. His flaws made him into what he does and what he is. All of his flaws concluded me to believe he is the more archetypal tragic hero, over Antigone. Even though they both had the traits to both be one, he was more of one than her.]]> 2017-04-27 04:52:02 UTC https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/ee11nvx478db/wish/168544316 Itzel Mantilla (1st) https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/ee11nvx478db/wish/168544399 Antigone fits the definition of an Archetypal character rather than Creon,. All throughout Antigone it is seen that her sole purpose if to bury her brother Polyneices, because the gods dictate that the dead must be buried she follows through with this purpose up until the point of her death. In  (56-58) Antigone says "  I say that this crime is holy: I shall lie down With him in death, and I shall be as dear To him as he to me. " She is aware of the consequences that would follow if she were to commit this act and she is willing to die in order for her to stick to her beliefs, and even when she comes face to face with Creon she still is standing by what she believes in and that same reason created a route towards her own demise. ]]> 2017-04-27 04:53:14 UTC https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/ee11nvx478db/wish/168544399 Johnson Huynh (2nd) https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/ee11nvx478db/wish/168544563 Throughout the play, it is clear that Creon is portrayed as an archetype hero. Being an archetype hero of a tragic, Creon realizes the flaws within his actions, however has the inability to change the course of his inevitable fate. Realizing he has to face the punishments of the gods through suffering, Creon lives wishing for death to come about. "Let death come quickly, and be kind to me." (1028) ]]> 2017-04-27 04:55:36 UTC https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/ee11nvx478db/wish/168544563 Eryka Anzora (3rd) https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/ee11nvx478db/wish/168544831 Even though both characters could fit into that category since they went through a downfall and have suffered, the one who would best fit the archetypal tragic hero is Antigone. I believe this to be true because she went through all the trouble of doing the right thing like the gods wanted her to do and she still dies in the end. She died with too much pride but she died knowing that she did the right thing in the end, even if it means that she had to suffer in the end. "They are her only gods: Perhaps they will show her an escape from death, Or she may learn, though late " (636-639) This was when they trapped her in the cave and they wanted to know if the gods truly cared for her so they waited for the gods to do something. She relied on the gods to do something but they did nothing which was her definition of suffering which led to both Haemon's and Antigone's death.]]> 2017-04-27 04:59:34 UTC https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/ee11nvx478db/wish/168544831 Leslie Nguyen2 2747091 https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/ee11nvx478db/wish/168544842 The person that fits best to the definition of an archetypal tragic hero is Antigone even though both are able to fit the definition because both suffer a loss or go through a downfall, has an enemy, and makes their own flaws and mistakes. Antigone fits better because she is more of a hero, she wanted to do the right thing and protect and serve her family and a hero always does the right thing while Creon all he did was have too much pride to do the right thing and bury Polyneices.  “But I will bury him; and if I must die, I say that this crime is holy: I shall lie down
With him in death, and I shall be as dear To him as he to me. “
]]> 2017-04-27 04:59:43 UTC https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/ee11nvx478db/wish/168544842 Windy Vo 2 vowindy69 https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/ee11nvx478db/wish/168544851 From my perspective, I believe that King Creon is more suitable for the archetypal tragic hero because he actually experienced a downfall towards the ending due to his failures as a king. He wanted to led Thebes in a wealthy, successful manner, but his pride stopped him from doing what was right and took Antigone’s life through his anger. He was angry that someone buried Polyneices body even though it was illegal in Thebes and will sentence that person who committed that crime to death. Even when he found out that it was Antigone, he didn’t feel sympathy or any sort of emotion towards her even when she’s his niece. His pride controlled him from doing the right thing but instead still punishes Antigone for a crime that wasn’t a crime to the Gods. “Go join them, then; if you must have your love, Find it in hell!” (Lines 419-420) At the end when the prophet came to him and told him his prophecy, he realized what he did was wrong and had a downfall. I believe that Creon is the true tragic hero in the story Antigone. 


]]> 2017-04-27 04:59:51 UTC https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/ee11nvx478db/wish/168544851 Panagiotis Lontos (3rd) https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/ee11nvx478db/wish/168609208 Even though the question asks for one character to be picked to fit the description of being a archetypal tragic hero I still feel that both of them are very capable of being called one. If I had to pick one though it would be Antigone. This type of hero is one that leads themselves to their own downfall and she fits that description. She had the misfortune of having hubris which led to her downfall butit's a little harder to find the flaw for her compared to these types of characters. It is shown that this is really well hidden because even Antigone doesn't know why she has to suffer and what led to her downfall. ]]> 2017-04-27 12:34:17 UTC https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/ee11nvx478db/wish/168609208 Tiger Nguyen - 1st 273653 https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/ee11nvx478db/wish/168624306 Creon is more of an archetypal tragic hero than Antigone because though they both have somber endings, Creon is left with the shorter end of the stick, by far. He was witness to the civil war of his kingdom, the exile of his brother, and the deaths of his sister, wife, nephews, niece, and son. On top of all of that, he was undeniably the one with the most hubris and pride, which led to his downfall and suffering. He tempted the words of the gods and he paid heavily for it. It was often by his own hand that his life went awry, for example in lines 768-770, King Creon proclaims "take her to the vault and leave her alone there. And if she lives or dies, that’s her affair, not ours,” but ironically, her death would go on to be his demise. Not only
 that, but Creon has suffered so much that by the end of the story he wants to commit suicide himself. "Let it come, Let death come quickly, and be kind to me. I would not ever see the sun again." (lines 1027 - 1029). Though Antigone died, she died of her own accord, whereas Creon is left craving the release of death.]]> 2017-04-27 13:26:35 UTC https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/ee11nvx478db/wish/168624306 Joseph Bilski (Period 2) https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/ee11nvx478db/wish/168639777 Antigone and Creon both fit the definition of an archetypical hero, as they are both fated to a tragic fate by the gods and exhibit a fatal flaw that leads to their demise. However, Antigone better fits the role of tragic hero in Antigone, while Creon is the villain. This is because Antigone eventually meets her demise due to Creon's actions and orders. Creon also suffers from the characteristic "catharsis" that greek villains suffer.]]> 2017-04-27 14:10:56 UTC https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/ee11nvx478db/wish/168639777 Xuan Hoang ( 1st Period ) https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/ee11nvx478db/wish/168656710 In Antigone, taking about who's fits for an archetypical hero, people would all direct to Antigone and Creon. But an archetypical hero is a character who experiences a downfall from outcomes of their flaws. Antigone was a strong, noble women who stood against the man's rule and demanded the Gods' justice,but she was self-righteousness. But we got to go back to Creon, where the whole fate-good and bad guy started. Creon who passed a law that if anyone who buried Polyneices will be punished. Polyneices and Eteocles were two brothers fighting against their power but end up killing each other, where Creon was raised as the new king. Creon, who was too prideful to see that being a new king meant taking care of the people and leading them to a good lifestyle in Thebes. But he wanted to give off a powerful image as if anyone who disobeyed him meant he decide their fate. Which he did for Antigone, who did the deed. "I will carry her far away out...And there let her pray to the gods of hell: they are her only gods.." (633-640) For Creon, a man who wanted to show the world what he was about and where he was too stubborn to see that he was wronged. And result to him leading a life without his wife or his son, Harimon. "Lead me away. I have been rash and foolish. I have killed my son and my wife ." (1034-1035) And for Antigone, who could see the insight and did the heroic sacrifice for the love of her brother and the gods' laws ending with self-isolation from everyone and she ended herself. " How often I have heard the store of Niobe, Tantalus wretched daughter ...I feel the loneliness of her death in mine." (671-675) ]]> 2017-04-27 14:55:00 UTC https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/ee11nvx478db/wish/168656710 Asia Gumataotao (3rd period) https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/ee11nvx478db/wish/168688252 The character that is more of an archetypal tragic hero is Antigone because she suffers from her flaw of being hubris, but compared to Creon, Creon seems more likely to seem more like a archetypal tragic hero but nothing actually happened to him. Antigone had killed herself because she was so prideful of herself, in lines 959 - 963, " She had made a noose of her fine linen veil And hanged herself. Haemon lay beside hers. His arms about her waist, lamenting her, His love lost under ground, crying out That his father has stolen her away from him," Antigone had killed herself. Yet nothing happened to Creon.]]> 2017-04-27 16:28:30 UTC https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/ee11nvx478db/wish/168688252 Huy Mai (2nd) 285410 https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/ee11nvx478db/wish/168706095 2017-04-27 17:25:56 UTC https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/ee11nvx478db/wish/168706095 Huy Mai(2nd) 285410 https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/ee11nvx478db/wish/168707073 Creon is the ideal archetypal tragic hero because he experienced downfalls and failed being a king. He had to learn from his hubris and he feels superior to everyone else. He is the ideal protagonist that leads to a downfall and experienced death at the end. "My voice is the only voice giving orders to this city.(596)]]> 2017-04-27 17:28:22 UTC https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/ee11nvx478db/wish/168707073 Babatunde Akinsonu 2nd tjakinsonu3 https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/ee11nvx478db/wish/169029159 It is clear that Creon is portrayed as an archetype hero because you can clearly see his downfall due to his poor judgement, greed, and hubris. At the beginning when Creon thought he had everything, and that everyone was in his will because he was king, he showed a poor judgement in the fact that he was greedy and prideful as a king without yielding to his own kingdom. " My voice is the one voice giving orders in this City! " (Antigone, Line 596) and later on after Creon has lost his wife, his son, his niece (and his soon to be daughter in law), Creon also realizes that all of his wrongdoings lead to this event therefore making him a tragic hero with more than one flaw that lead to his downfall. Realizing he has to face the punishments of the gods through suffering, Creon lives wishing for death to come about. "Let death come quickly, and be kind to me." (1028)


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