Left For Dead Argument by Mrs. Gilmore

Navy

2016-01-20 20:17:35 UTC

The navy was questioning almost everything, but it was reasonable for their situation. They were trapped in the ocean for weeks and weeks, seeing others being eaten by sharks. It was awful. Evryone was doubting. It made the situation even worse. Some questions they asked "Why weren't there more lifeboats?" "Why didnt anybody notice the ship was overdue in port?" etc...

Navy

2016-01-20 20:17:35 UTC

"Wasn't anybody keeping track?" Pg. 102 Conner R.

Navy

2016-01-20 20:18:10 UTC

"They also knew that an American destroyer escort, the USS Underhill, had been sunk on Tuesday, July 24, three days before the Indianapolis arrived in Guam." pg. 103 Elizabeth Jue

The navy knew that there were 5 Japppanese submarines in the path they were going on.

2016-01-20 20:18:25 UTC

Navy

2016-01-20 20:19:39 UTC

"The court interviewed Mcormick,who said it wasnt his fault because he never......page 111

Navy

2016-01-20 20:19:42 UTC

I believe its the navy's fault because the book stated that there were many important facts about what they found out and didn't tell the captain about. In my opinion the was miscommunication about what the plan was. Page:102-103

Navy

2016-01-20 20:20:34 UTC

They also knew that an American destroyer escort, the USS Underhill,had been sunk on Tuesday,July 24,three days before the Indianapolis arrived in Guam.

2016-01-20 20:20:50 UTC

The navy knew that there was an enemy sub in the area

They should have hooked up a decter/Radar. They also should have made an escort fir the ship. I think that they nneded to have a few navy crew members go on the ship or loaded the ship with amo and gave it a paint! Its the navy's fault not Captain McVay's pg. 120😜

2016-01-20 20:21:27 UTC

Navy

2016-01-20 20:21:41 UTC

The marine should have knew that the ship had been out at sea so tht should have rang

2016-01-20 20:22:02 UTC

If the ship hadn't been rushed into service to deliver the bomb to Tinian, her repairs still incomplete... Pg.102 Owen Carter

Navy

2016-01-20 20:22:12 UTC

There were, first of all, things the Navy knew that they didn't tell Captain McVay before the Indianapolis left Guam.

At Marianas command all had access to information telling them that there were at least four Japanese submarines active in the southern pacific within range of the Peddie route.

They also knew an American destroyer escort, the USS Underhill, had been sunk on Tuesday, July 24, three days before the indianapolis arrived in Guam

Navy

2016-01-20 20:22:42 UTC

"Captain Mcvay attended the hearings,wondering to what extent the navy was going to blame him."

Page 111

Navy

2016-01-20 20:22:44 UTC

1)"They also knew that an american destroyer escort, the USS Underhill,had been sunk on Tuesday, July 24,three days before the Indainapolis arrived in Guam."

Navy

2016-01-20 20:22:54 UTC

"If the ship had better ventalation,she wouldnt have been sailing under Condition Yoke Modified with all her hatches open and wouldnt have sunk so fast."

Navy

2016-01-20 20:24:43 UTC

2016-01-20 20:26:02 UTC

And if the boat was equipt with sonar it could have sall it pg.101 and 102

Navy

2016-01-20 20:26:03 UTC

If Admiral Spruance had decidedto sail to the Philippenes on the Indianapolis, rather than fly, McVay might well have been given the information about the Tamon group or the Underhill, because Spruance was a flag officer." Pg. 104 Elizabeth Jue

Navy

2016-01-20 20:26:07 UTC

If the ship had better ventilation, she wouldnt have been sailing under 'Condition Yoke Modified' with all her hatches open and wouldnt have sunk so fast."

Navy

2016-01-20 20:26:10 UTC

Their captains arent fully prepared to take the actions that they are given.

Navy

2016-01-20 20:26:22 UTC

What went wrong,and why was Captian McVaythe only one punished...

Navy

2016-01-20 20:27:02 UTC

Commands charged with plotting ship traffic might have concluded

Navy

2016-01-20 20:27:34 UTC

"Perhaps the biggest mistake the navy made was losing the Iidianapolis in the middle of the ocean." Griffin sublett pg. 105

Navy

2016-01-20 20:28:56 UTC

"The nightof the sinking, Captain Hashimoto had radioed back to Tokyo on a standard frequency the following message: RELEASED SIX TORPEDOES AND SCORED THREE AT BATTLESHIP OF IDAHO CLASS-- DEFINITELY SANK HER.

Navy

2016-01-20 20:28:58 UTC

If the were at top speed they could have could got away pg 101

Navy

2016-01-20 20:28:58 UTC

They knew the american destroyer was there

Navy

2016-01-20 20:29:00 UTC

"There were first of all, things the navy didn't tell Captin Mcvay

Navy

2016-01-20 20:29:08 UTC

Why were't there more lifeboats?

Kristen Dandridge

2016-01-20 20:29:14 UTC

The others did not get to the hachtways in tim

Navy

2016-01-20 20:29:57 UTC

The way of the ancient kings was to consider bumaness foremost

Navy

2016-01-20 20:30:10 UTC

I believe it was the Navy's fault because the book stated, "There were plenty of things the navy did know that, had they been fully understood, might have prevented the disaster."102-103

Navy

2016-01-20 20:30:32 UTC

If the told captin Mcvade they probly could have done somethin pg.105

Navy

2016-01-20 20:30:59 UTC

Things the navy knew that they didn't tell Captian McVay

Navy

2016-01-20 20:32:43 UTC

"The next mistake the navy made was sending the Indianapolis on the Peddie route without an escort Griffin Sublett pg.105

Navy

2016-01-20 20:32:53 UTC

Her crew would have had more time to train and practice , and oerhaps would have loosened her lifeboats 102

Navy

2016-01-20 20:32:55 UTC

Here are some ways the Navy messed up 1. They didnt tell their captain some things that could have prevented something. "Why, then, didnt tell anyone tell captain McVay..." Pg. 103

2016-01-20 20:33:10 UTC

If the navy would have sailed at top speed the I-58 maybe would not have caught her.

There were plenty of things the navy did know that, had they been fully ndersyood, might have prevented the disaster.

If all the hatches werent open the ship wouldnt have sunk faster.

Navy

2016-01-20 20:33:12 UTC

At the time, however, Carter didn't know which route the Indianpolis would be taking, and if Admiral Spruance would be on board or not." Pg. 104 Elizabeth Jue

Navy

2016-01-20 20:33:19 UTC

2)"The next mitake the navy made was sending the Indianapolis on a peddie route without an escort."

Navy

2016-01-20 20:33:21 UTC

It states, "They also knew that an American destroyer escort,the USS Underhill, had been sunk on Tuesday..."

Navy

2016-01-20 20:33:36 UTC

Another interpretationmight have been that without escorts, they'd need all the information they could get

Navy

2016-01-20 20:34:21 UTC

They also knew that an American desroyer escort...

Navy

2016-01-20 20:34:44 UTC

Instead of sailing at 15.7 knots to conserve fuel and arrive in the morning, the I-58 might have not caught her. 102 >>

Navy

2016-01-20 20:35:25 UTC

They knew the american destroyer was there

2016-01-20 20:36:02 UTC

"One SIGNIT said a I-58 left its port on july 18th" Conner R. Pg.103

Navy

2016-01-25 18:59:38 UTC

The court interview mcormick, he said it wasnt his fault because he doesnt get the message

Captain

2016-01-25 20:23:40 UTC

"You eered in judgementwhen you failed to order zig zag courses steered on the night of the loss of the ship."

Captin

2016-01-25 20:24:05 UTC

"The facts further indicate that you did not exert every effort at your command to cause a distress to be sent out after the explosion and prior to the sinking" Maggie Womble

There was not trained peaple on the boat

2016-01-25 20:24:20 UTC

Captain

2016-01-25 20:24:24 UTC

"The fact that the court of inquiry had recommended that McVay be court-martiaed did not requirethe navy to follow through with the trial." Eizabeth Jue pg. 118

Captin

2016-01-25 20:25:11 UTC

He went jugement of his father the midreal

2016-01-25 20:25:36 UTC

There was not a boat escort

Captain

2016-01-25 20:26:14 UTC

"The nature of what he was unloading was, of course, top secret." He didnt tell anybody something. Pg. 107

"McVay attended the hearings, wondering to what extent the navy was going to blame him." Pg. 111

"McVay be court-martialed and nit requiring the navy." Pg. 118

"They couldn't prosecute McVay for violating orders."

Navy

2016-01-25 20:26:44 UTC

There were submarines in the area.

Kristen dandridge

Captain

2016-01-25 20:27:01 UTC

"...When you failed to order zig zag courses steered on the night of the loss of the ship."

Navy

2016-01-25 20:27:09 UTC

"The fact that thebcourt of inquiry had recommended that McVay be in court trial." "Though less serve punishment than a curt-martial, such a letter of reprimand

Captain

2016-01-25 20:27:10 UTC

"You erred in judement when you failed to order zigzag courses steered on the night of the lost ship." Addison Mahony pg:119

Navy

2016-01-25 20:27:48 UTC

If they told captin that there was more subarines

Captain

2016-01-25 20:27:59 UTC

"The charges were: 1. 'Through negligence suffering a vessel of the Navy to be hazarded...by failing to cause a zigzag course to be steered...during good visibility,"

Sydney Rowan pg 124

Captain

2016-01-25 20:28:04 UTC

"Though less severe punishment than a court-martia, such a letter of reprimand in McVay's permanant file would still have efectively ended his career by preventing further promotion." Eizabeth Jue pg.119

Navy

2016-01-25 20:28:18 UTC

Why were their any lifeboats.

Kristen Dandridge

Captain

2016-01-25 20:28:19 UTC

The court of inquiry recommended that Captain Mcvay be cortmartialed did not require a trial. Captain Mcvays permanent file have effectively ended his career. Once Brophy called Captain Mcvay to confront him about the death of his boy. Nimitz talked about dragging Captain Mcvay through a humiliating public trial. They agreed on November 10. Addyson Cotton.

Captain

2016-01-25 20:28:33 UTC

"...The commander in chief,U.S Pacific fleet does not agree with the court in its recomindation that captain Charles B. Mcvay III U.S Navy,be brought to trial by general court material...

Captin

2016-01-25 20:28:59 UTC

You erred in judgement when you failed to order zigzag courses steered on the night of the loss of the ship. Pg. 119 Conner R.

Captin

2016-01-25 20:29:08 UTC

He failed to follow a zig, zag course to his destination.

Navy

2016-01-25 20:29:40 UTC

Some ships sinked.

Kristen Dandridge

CAPTAIN

2016-01-25 20:29:42 UTC

"The charges were: 1. 'Through negligence suffering a vessel of the Navt to be hazarded...by failing to cause a zigzag course to be steered...during good visibility," and 2. 'Culpable ineffi

Captain

2016-01-25 20:30:01 UTC

"The facts further indicate that you did not exert every effort at your command to cause a distress message to be sent after the explosions and prior to the sink."

2016-01-25 20:30:47 UTC

The fact that the court of injury had recomended that captin McVay be court-martialed did not require the navy to follow through with a trial. That also meant the navy could no longer sugress information or keep stories out of the news paper by arguing that exposures could damage the war effort. McVay was'nt the only one who was out couraged.

Captain

2016-01-25 20:31:11 UTC

"They couldn't prosecute McVay for violating the standing order for ships to zigzag." Elizabeth Jue pg.119

Captain

2016-01-25 20:31:18 UTC

He did not use all his effort..

2016-01-25 20:31:54 UTC

Was not fully armored

Captain

2016-01-25 20:32:56 UTC

"Showing bad judgement wasn't as serious an offense as disobeying an order." Elizabeth Jue pg.119

Navy

2016-01-25 20:33:31 UTC

"The facts further indicate that you did not excert every effert at your command to cause a distress

Captain

2016-01-25 20:33:54 UTC

"The statement had McCoy swearing that captain McVay had failed to give the order to abandon ship." Pg. 128 Maggie Womble

Captain

2016-01-25 20:34:06 UTC

Showing bad judgement wasnt as serious an offenseas disobeying an order."

Captin

2016-01-25 20:34:18 UTC

He failed to issue timly orders to evacuate

CAPTAIN

2016-01-25 20:34:33 UTC

Please discard the last box. The captain was at fault because of this evidence: "The charges were: 1. 'Through negligence suffereing a vessel..." Nevermind. The iPads are being taken up.

2016-01-25 20:35:46 UTC

He failed to order zifzag