https://padlet.com/angelenapaxton/dzfg15imslf4sx66 en-us 2021-04-19 18:59:53 UTC 2021-05-06 17:30:00 UTC hello@padlet.com namin231 https://padlet.com/angelenapaxton/dzfg15imslf4sx66/wish/1439278329 I think Aditi has a really good point that I did not really think about. The fact that almost all her goals and growth is trying to go to Rochester. Again like Aditi said that she settled for him, when she could have had more. But Morgan makes a point in which I agree in that Jane does love Rochester.[ Rochester loves Jane ]and she is happy being with him.]]> 2021-04-20 18:01:54 UTC https://padlet.com/angelenapaxton/dzfg15imslf4sx66/wish/1439278329 https://padlet.com/angelenapaxton/dzfg15imslf4sx66/wish/1439279736 I agree with Mya and Aditi, Jane doesn't feel like an equal to Rochester but yet a burden and just settles down with him. For her to truly be equal she believes she has to be financially independent and be able to support herself. ]]> 2021-04-20 18:02:11 UTC https://padlet.com/angelenapaxton/dzfg15imslf4sx66/wish/1439279736 https://padlet.com/angelenapaxton/dzfg15imslf4sx66/wish/1439280926 I agree with Morgan's point about how although the end was surprising, Jane was happy and was able to feel love. ]]> 2021-04-20 18:02:24 UTC https://padlet.com/angelenapaxton/dzfg15imslf4sx66/wish/1439280926 esoberano23 https://padlet.com/angelenapaxton/dzfg15imslf4sx66/wish/1439290417 I totally agree with Aditi, the way feminism is presented is completely different from the way we see it now. It is strange that Jane was able to build herself the life she wanted and then she decides to leave all of that behind just for someone that she wanted to leave and build this life in the first place. ]]> 2021-04-20 18:04:16 UTC https://padlet.com/angelenapaxton/dzfg15imslf4sx66/wish/1439290417 lfoote23 https://padlet.com/angelenapaxton/dzfg15imslf4sx66/wish/1439290541 I agree with Aditi in that Jane didn’t really feel like an equal to Rochester until she had financial independence. If they truly had an equal relationship she would feel like his equal without her new financial independence and he would regard her the same way.]]> 2021-04-20 18:04:18 UTC https://padlet.com/angelenapaxton/dzfg15imslf4sx66/wish/1439290541 ktesta231 https://padlet.com/angelenapaxton/dzfg15imslf4sx66/wish/1439331591 I disagree that their is a lack of feminism in this book. Throughout the book, Jane never settled for the life of a stereotypical woman in this time period. I think that every choice she made was for her happiness and independence. Jane pushed for her to be seen as an equal to Rochester, when he first proposed and  it didn’t work out, Jane was able to say no and move on. I think that she still had more of her journey left, and then in the end, she had found her independence. I also do not think that getting married makes you anti-feminist. ]]> 2021-04-20 18:12:13 UTC https://padlet.com/angelenapaxton/dzfg15imslf4sx66/wish/1439331591 lfoote23 https://padlet.com/angelenapaxton/dzfg15imslf4sx66/wish/1439333036 I completely with what Morgan is saying because Feminism is putting your wants and desires before anything else at its core. She wants to be with Rochester and although she didn’t have to go back to him, she makes the decision for herself to do so because she loves him.]]> 2021-04-20 18:12:29 UTC https://padlet.com/angelenapaxton/dzfg15imslf4sx66/wish/1439333036 https://padlet.com/angelenapaxton/dzfg15imslf4sx66/wish/1439336067 I agree with Morgan. She had her own goals and desires, and the fact that she was able to fulfill it, was feminism in itself. She felt content with herself in the end and women were never able at the time to even express how they feel. So by her making her choices, shows her independence and evolution. ]]> 2021-04-20 18:13:04 UTC https://padlet.com/angelenapaxton/dzfg15imslf4sx66/wish/1439336067 https://padlet.com/angelenapaxton/dzfg15imslf4sx66/wish/1439351011 I agree Annalee, the time period definitely makes a difference. I also admire how you brought up how being able to freely love someone in and of itself is an act of feminism and defying societal norms of women not being able to express their emotions. ]]> 2021-04-20 18:16:00 UTC https://padlet.com/angelenapaxton/dzfg15imslf4sx66/wish/1439351011 aparasuram23 https://padlet.com/angelenapaxton/dzfg15imslf4sx66/wish/1439353133 I agree with what Ilina said about how the novel can be perceived based on what ideals you have. For example, looking at the story through a modern lens would make one think that Jane is a "bad feminist"

]]> 2021-04-20 18:16:26 UTC https://padlet.com/angelenapaxton/dzfg15imslf4sx66/wish/1439353133 https://padlet.com/angelenapaxton/dzfg15imslf4sx66/wish/1439361372 I agree with annalee in which for the Time period Jane would be considered a huge feminist and the definition of feminism has changed over time.]]> 2021-04-20 18:18:09 UTC https://padlet.com/angelenapaxton/dzfg15imslf4sx66/wish/1439361372 akemp23 https://padlet.com/angelenapaxton/dzfg15imslf4sx66/wish/1439369052 Round #1 (talking): I think that Jane Eyre is a feminist novel. Mr. Rochester aside, Jane goes on an epic journey, mostly on her own, to find where she belongs. Jane finding love with Mr. Rochester should not detract from her feminist characteristics because Jane evolving emotionally and as a young woman is consistent throughout the story. 

Round #2 (silent): I agree with Lauren's unique perspective about the ending -- Mr. Rochester should have gone to Jane rather than the other way around. When Jane leaves Mr. Rochester because he is already married to Bertha, Mr. Rochester pleaded for her to stay or else he would be broken-hearted. Jane leaves him, but he only becomes present again when she returns to him. 

Overall: I found it interesting that many conversation points involved Mr. Rochester. I encourage those reading this comment to re-read their "Jane needs feminism because..." statement and see if it has been fulfilled by the end of the novel.]]> 2021-04-20 18:19:37 UTC https://padlet.com/angelenapaxton/dzfg15imslf4sx66/wish/1439369052 jjimenez232 https://padlet.com/angelenapaxton/dzfg15imslf4sx66/wish/1439379232 I agree with Clare because I didn't think Jane would end up marrying Rochester since she found her independence and family that she had longed for through St. John, Mary, and Diana. She had a stable life and everything started to fall in place for Jane but she still didn't fill complete until her marriage to Rochester. ]]> 2021-04-20 18:21:38 UTC https://padlet.com/angelenapaxton/dzfg15imslf4sx66/wish/1439379232 https://padlet.com/angelenapaxton/dzfg15imslf4sx66/wish/1439381468 I agree with Aditi and Ilina when they say Jane can be or can not be considered a feminism based on your ideals, or your image of a feminist. It really depends what time period your looking at. If the novel was based in the 21st century, personally I would not consider Jane that much of a feminist. Yet, because of the time period it is based in, with Jane leaving Rochester to go chase her career, that was really brave and not something common upon women in that time.]]> 2021-04-20 18:22:06 UTC https://padlet.com/angelenapaxton/dzfg15imslf4sx66/wish/1439381468 cregalado231 https://padlet.com/angelenapaxton/dzfg15imslf4sx66/wish/1439381792 The novel is a feminist novel, the definition of feminism was different in that time period compared to today. Jane was independent in the beginning, but at the same time she wanted to pursue what she really wanted (love). Social Status does play a role in the relationship with Rochester and Jane, it took Rochester to loose his hand and eyesight so they can both be dependent on each other and on the “same status”. ]]> 2021-04-20 18:22:10 UTC https://padlet.com/angelenapaxton/dzfg15imslf4sx66/wish/1439381792 ahiggins_23 https://padlet.com/angelenapaxton/dzfg15imslf4sx66/wish/1439381854 I agree with Maddy and Kennedy this novel was written to have a gothic sense. It was meant to be gory and scary to add a factor that was not read in many books at that time. Another part about the gothic novel is Bronte most likely used this gothic novel theme to help get this story published. Rachel said it went with the victorian time which is very true, it was a image away from being prim and proper and more of a paranormal story element. ]]> 2021-04-20 18:22:10 UTC https://padlet.com/angelenapaxton/dzfg15imslf4sx66/wish/1439381854 hhoang23 https://padlet.com/angelenapaxton/dzfg15imslf4sx66/wish/1439383091 I agree with Ashley. Jane was able to find happiness and stability at Thornfield beside Rochester. She evolved even more as a woman she is by seeking the good in people that have made mistakes. Rochester brought the best version of Jane out of her. They made each other better.]]> 2021-04-20 18:22:25 UTC https://padlet.com/angelenapaxton/dzfg15imslf4sx66/wish/1439383091 https://padlet.com/angelenapaxton/dzfg15imslf4sx66/wish/1439384445 I agree that Jane was a feminist throughout the novel because we know that starting at the beginning she grew up and had a hard time in life. And it was very hard for her emotionally. And at the end of the novel she didn’t settle for anyone but instead chose what she wanted which was be with Rochester and it’s what she did. And she was able not find her happiness.]]> 2021-04-20 18:22:41 UTC https://padlet.com/angelenapaxton/dzfg15imslf4sx66/wish/1439384445 https://padlet.com/angelenapaxton/dzfg15imslf4sx66/wish/1439384866 I agree with Lauren about how the novel portrays many gothic themes, specifically with Bertha and her relationship with Rochester. The eerie sense of the novel is shown through their relationship and even the mansion itself. Within the mansion, the forbidding master and the creepy screams really highlight the gothic theme. 


]]> 2021-04-20 18:22:46 UTC https://padlet.com/angelenapaxton/dzfg15imslf4sx66/wish/1439384866 https://padlet.com/angelenapaxton/dzfg15imslf4sx66/wish/1439396971 I agree that there is gothic  elements in the novel and like Kennedy said that there are different traits in Jane eyre that portray that perspective ]]> 2021-04-20 18:25:14 UTC https://padlet.com/angelenapaxton/dzfg15imslf4sx66/wish/1439396971 cregalado231 https://padlet.com/angelenapaxton/dzfg15imslf4sx66/wish/1439397866 I agree with Liz, Jane is a feminist novel she stuck to her beliefs and her wants through the book. She made the choice to go back to Rochester, and it ended with her being happy with Rochester. ]]> 2021-04-20 18:25:25 UTC https://padlet.com/angelenapaxton/dzfg15imslf4sx66/wish/1439397866 https://padlet.com/angelenapaxton/dzfg15imslf4sx66/wish/1439398681 I agree with Allison that Jan Eyre is story of about find a home and stablility. I would also want to add that is talks about perseverance. Jane had to persevere when her friend died a Lowood school. Another Example would be when she left Rochester and had no stablility.]]> 2021-04-20 18:25:35 UTC https://padlet.com/angelenapaxton/dzfg15imslf4sx66/wish/1439398681 mcoffey23 https://padlet.com/angelenapaxton/dzfg15imslf4sx66/wish/1439400986 I disagree about Jane’s happiness being prioritized. Yes happiness is important, but the way you get said happiness is equally as important. Rochester manipulated Jane more than once, yet her desire to be loved, in either a platonic or romantic way, seemed to make her ignore that. There was also the extremely questionable ethics he exercised in how he handled Bertha and seemed to try and play it off as if the fact he had another wife was more important than the fact he kept her locked up in the attic.  ]]> 2021-04-20 18:26:04 UTC https://padlet.com/angelenapaxton/dzfg15imslf4sx66/wish/1439400986 https://padlet.com/angelenapaxton/dzfg15imslf4sx66/wish/1439402146 I like what Morgan added onto my opinion that love and feminism are different things. A person can still be extremely independent and powerful while still loving someone. Putting yourself out there is one of the scariest things a person can do and that proves certainty and love towards Rochester that makes herself happy.]]> 2021-04-20 18:26:19 UTC https://padlet.com/angelenapaxton/dzfg15imslf4sx66/wish/1439402146 https://padlet.com/angelenapaxton/dzfg15imslf4sx66/wish/1439403005 I also agree with Lauren, that the author used gothic elements to sort of add a twist to a typical victorian novel. Between the gothic & what some would consider feministic elements, Bronte took the novel to another level, especially considering the time period it was based in.]]> 2021-04-20 18:26:30 UTC https://padlet.com/angelenapaxton/dzfg15imslf4sx66/wish/1439403005 https://padlet.com/angelenapaxton/dzfg15imslf4sx66/wish/1439412661 I want to add on to what Anushka said how she was disappointed that Jane gave up her independence. when Anushka thought Jane would have been more happy independence staying at the school house  instead of going back to Rochester. Yes indepence is great but you only so much until it gets lonely. At the end of the book we could see Jane is lonely, and  feeling as if something was missing inside of her. We also think of independence too specifically instead of being broader.]]> 2021-04-20 18:28:32 UTC https://padlet.com/angelenapaxton/dzfg15imslf4sx66/wish/1439412661 https://padlet.com/angelenapaxton/dzfg15imslf4sx66/wish/1439414165 I agree with what Morgan and Ashley were saying about how much strength it took for Jane to go back to Rochester after he hurt him. Jane stays with Rochester while still maintaining her independence. ]]> 2021-04-20 18:28:51 UTC https://padlet.com/angelenapaxton/dzfg15imslf4sx66/wish/1439414165 aparasuram23 https://padlet.com/angelenapaxton/dzfg15imslf4sx66/wish/1439418791 Adding onto what everyone in Round 2 is saying, maybe Bertha had more significance than being a Gothic novel trope. Based on the time period the book was written in (Victorian Era, British colonizing foreign countries), I felt Bertha was an allusion or commentary on how poorly the British treat their colonial subjects as well.]]> 2021-04-20 18:29:47 UTC https://padlet.com/angelenapaxton/dzfg15imslf4sx66/wish/1439418791 https://padlet.com/angelenapaxton/dzfg15imslf4sx66/wish/1439424147 Based on what Ashley talked about, I really liked how Jane's evolution shows the contrast of love and feminism and how they can both coincide. Jane can still love who she wants to love while also following her own goals and being independent. At the end of the day, Jane was happy, and it shows massive character development. ]]> 2021-04-20 18:30:53 UTC https://padlet.com/angelenapaxton/dzfg15imslf4sx66/wish/1439424147 https://padlet.com/angelenapaxton/dzfg15imslf4sx66/wish/1439429507 I think the main Gothic elements is her relationship with Rochester. At first Jane does not get along with Rochester and thier relationship is a little back and forth, but she eventually falls in love with him. And the conflict with Bertha’s relationship with Rochester adds into the gothic themes in the novel. There was also the strange noises, we later found out were Bertha and the mysterious fire that added an eerie tone to the novel. ]]> 2021-04-20 18:32:01 UTC https://padlet.com/angelenapaxton/dzfg15imslf4sx66/wish/1439429507 https://padlet.com/angelenapaxton/dzfg15imslf4sx66/wish/1439430926 Agree with what Lauren says how I wish that Rochester came back to Jane then her to him because in a way she did work for all her independence ]]> 2021-04-20 18:32:18 UTC https://padlet.com/angelenapaxton/dzfg15imslf4sx66/wish/1439430926 https://padlet.com/angelenapaxton/dzfg15imslf4sx66/wish/1439439819 Going back to what Alison said about her being married to Rochester for 10 years. the quote on the PowerPoint shows that Jane for so long felt lonely and unloved and finally in the end she was able to find happiness and be loved but because it was her choice ]]> 2021-04-20 18:34:13 UTC https://padlet.com/angelenapaxton/dzfg15imslf4sx66/wish/1439439819 jregalado23 https://padlet.com/angelenapaxton/dzfg15imslf4sx66/wish/1439455495 I found it very interesting when Jane said “Reader I married him” because she decided to marry him and no one else decided for her. In the Victorian Era it was more of he married me, the man deciding to marry the woman and not the other way around.]]> 2021-04-20 18:37:27 UTC https://padlet.com/angelenapaxton/dzfg15imslf4sx66/wish/1439455495 adiwe23 https://padlet.com/angelenapaxton/dzfg15imslf4sx66/wish/1439457161 I agree when Lauren said that Rochester should have came to back to Jane first because Jane worked for her independence from her childhood and for her to leave her independence behind was unfair to Jane. ]]> 2021-04-20 18:37:50 UTC https://padlet.com/angelenapaxton/dzfg15imslf4sx66/wish/1439457161 jregalado23 https://padlet.com/angelenapaxton/dzfg15imslf4sx66/wish/1439464067 I found it surprising that Jane went back to Rochester because all of the independence that she had developed and the feminism that she embodied didn’t really mean anything in the end because she got back together with him.]]> 2021-04-20 18:39:16 UTC https://padlet.com/angelenapaxton/dzfg15imslf4sx66/wish/1439464067 jregalado23 https://padlet.com/angelenapaxton/dzfg15imslf4sx66/wish/1439474516 I also feel like Rochester was in the wrong for not admitting that he was married to Bertha and didn't mention anything to Jane. But I also feel like that should have been a major red flag for Jane and she should have never returned with him. Rochester also didn’t do much to apologize or really go out after her when she left, so it seemed like he didn’t care.]]> 2021-04-20 18:41:24 UTC https://padlet.com/angelenapaxton/dzfg15imslf4sx66/wish/1439474516 scarrasco_23 https://padlet.com/angelenapaxton/dzfg15imslf4sx66/wish/1444997793 Round 2 
The example of Gothic literature is like represented as a female that bronte creates a heroine whose autobiographical made of writing trace a story of a female of searching for her identity.the novel represent typical Victorian expectations the character who did wrong must pay.]]> 2021-04-22 00:26:09 UTC https://padlet.com/angelenapaxton/dzfg15imslf4sx66/wish/1444997793 jgalvan231 https://padlet.com/angelenapaxton/dzfg15imslf4sx66/wish/1499294771 While the quote itself “Reader, I married him” seems simple enough, I feel as though it started a chain of reactions that caused Jane to lose her sense of independence. Marriage, in those times, restricted the wife to the home & her duties to her husband. This seems to have been the same case for Jane, who became emotionally dependent, in my opinion, on Rochester after marriage. ]]> 2021-05-06 17:23:38 UTC https://padlet.com/angelenapaxton/dzfg15imslf4sx66/wish/1499294771 https://padlet.com/angelenapaxton/dzfg15imslf4sx66/wish/1499306165 While the novel begins with Jane's journey to find herself and independence and at the end she decides, herself, to go back and marry Rochester, I agree with Skye in that the marriage does take away part of that independence Jane has been looking for. Especially with the society norms during that era. ]]> 2021-05-06 17:25:49 UTC https://padlet.com/angelenapaxton/dzfg15imslf4sx66/wish/1499306165 https://padlet.com/angelenapaxton/dzfg15imslf4sx66/wish/1499321684 Jane Eyre Can be classified as a Gothic novel and even more as a feminist Gothic novel due to it having a feminist social commentary and at least a Gothic elements. For example the supernatural, the mystery setting, nightmares, fear, anti-hero, romance, the sublime, enclosed spaces -places where woman felt restricted. ]]> 2021-05-06 17:28:51 UTC https://padlet.com/angelenapaxton/dzfg15imslf4sx66/wish/1499321684