https://padlet.com/eprinste1/dy56m0azjj111dof Post your deeper understandings here! en-us 2020-11-12 21:18:44 UTC 2025-10-03 06:58:58 UTC hello@padlet.com eprinste1 https://padlet.com/eprinste1/dy56m0azjj111dof/wish/918542954 I think I agree with Aidan's astute comment in Monday's Socratic Seminar that Harrison was the savior for the society--if anyone could save them from themselves he could. But I am puzzled at the way he went about trying to save the society. Why did he declare, "Everybody must do what I say at once" (4) He is trying to force his subjects to conform to his will (as in the Lottery) which is exactly what he himself despises about his society--the way they have complete control over each person's every move---even their thoughts. Yikes! What point do you think Vonnegut was trying to emphasize when he chose to have Harrison react this way???? I would love to hear your comments!]]> 2020-11-12 21:22:26 UTC https://padlet.com/eprinste1/dy56m0azjj111dof/wish/918542954 eprinste1 https://padlet.com/eprinste1/dy56m0azjj111dof/wish/918577846 What are your deeper understandings about how ALL 3 texts compare and relate to each other?
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]]> 2020-11-16 19:22:03 UTC https://padlet.com/eprinste1/dy56m0azjj111dof/wish/928876378 dreuwsat https://padlet.com/eprinste1/dy56m0azjj111dof/wish/929019932 All three texts are related, they are all about keeping in the social norm and not standing out. In harrison burgeron whenever george thinks in a certain way he gets a beep, whenever he acts different he gets a beep. And it is all about the government controlling people and keeping them in the social norm. And people learn to except it in all three texts and they are used to it they know they can't act different.]]> 2020-11-16 19:51:49 UTC https://padlet.com/eprinste1/dy56m0azjj111dof/wish/929019932 hnunn3 https://padlet.com/eprinste1/dy56m0azjj111dof/wish/929396202 Harrison Bergeron by Kurt Vonnegut and in The Lottery by Shirley Jackson both introduce a terrible tradition. These traditions go mostly unopposed. In Harrison Bergeron the tradition of handicaps is only opposed by Harrison and the Ballerina. They remove their handicaps, but die. In The Lottery by Shirley Jackson again only two people oppose the tradition of the Lottery. Old Man Warner and Mrs. Hutchinson don't really oppose the tradition. They both only mention that this tradition not good.]]> 2020-11-16 21:34:51 UTC https://padlet.com/eprinste1/dy56m0azjj111dof/wish/929396202 rortiz52 https://padlet.com/eprinste1/dy56m0azjj111dof/wish/929403580 All 3 texts relate because they are about changing the society to make it seen as a right thing to do, when really it is not. For instance, in Harrison Bergeron it stated that everyone is equal, and no one is different. The government was changing the citizens, so that they were basically different people. These people were changed so much to fit in they viewed the change as a right thing.]]> 2020-11-16 21:37:21 UTC https://padlet.com/eprinste1/dy56m0azjj111dof/wish/929403580 vthibaul https://padlet.com/eprinste1/dy56m0azjj111dof/wish/929441054 I belive all three texts are related in a way of government using itś power to control citizens. In Harrison Beregeron by Kurt Vonnegut. The people are controlled using handicaps, this eventually becomes such a normal thing that society excepts it and doesnt fight back. Harrison was their knight in shining but the governer killed him off at the end and everyone forgot about it in a instant. In the Lottery by Shirley Jackson, the lottery is more of a tradition, in which they kill off whoever wins the lottery. The societyś in these texts dont stand up for their rights and excpet this as there normal everyday. Causing the government to have more power and more control.]]> 2020-11-16 21:51:04 UTC https://padlet.com/eprinste1/dy56m0azjj111dof/wish/929441054 kmccall22 https://padlet.com/eprinste1/dy56m0azjj111dof/wish/929815542 All three texts are related because they all involve speaking up and being willing to change. In the Lottery, Tessie and the Adams talk about how they should change tradition and end the lottery, everyone else is afraid of change. In Harrison Bergeron, Harrison tries to change thing and speak up, but the government has too much power and no one else understands why things should change. Conformity keeps everyone else from standing up, they want to fit in so they say what's most popular with their peers. ]]> 2020-11-17 01:06:27 UTC https://padlet.com/eprinste1/dy56m0azjj111dof/wish/929815542 https://padlet.com/eprinste1/dy56m0azjj111dof/wish/932404984 I think in all three text they all relate im a way of a government or someone powering over the citizens.In the article about conformity it talks about  how conformity is not a bad thing its just words to help people but it can help the society run smoothly. In the chapter from the Lottery they have the tradition of picking someone to kill because they didn't want there population bigger so the government has power over them and they don't get choice if they want it to be them or not. Then in Harrison Bergeron George is controlled by the government because he carries around three hundred pounds and deals with sounds that mess with his brain so he cant think because hes smart and different from everyone else so the government controls his brain.  ]]> 2020-11-17 16:04:55 UTC https://padlet.com/eprinste1/dy56m0azjj111dof/wish/932404984 dhoover11 https://padlet.com/eprinste1/dy56m0azjj111dof/wish/932423484 The texts all seem to have a controlling and powerful government or leader. In Lottery by Shirley Jackson they have a lottery that randomly selects someone to die. In the story when someone suggests that people are no longer doing it a villager says that it is crazy and they are fools. This sounds to me like he is either very afraid to change or someone put that thought in his brain. Mr. Summers also has control over the village because I feel like if he wanted to he could use the lottery to kill someone. In Harrison Bergeron By Kurt Vonnegut the government clearly controls everything. Using the excuse of equality the use lead balls to weigh you down and a loud sound in your ear the government can completely control you. This is shown because Hazel and George's son is murdered and they soon forget because of there equalities. ]]> 2020-11-17 16:08:03 UTC https://padlet.com/eprinste1/dy56m0azjj111dof/wish/932423484 atuning1 https://padlet.com/eprinste1/dy56m0azjj111dof/wish/932448782 I all three of the texts society is what makes everyone the way the are. In all three texts all come to the realization that people want to be different in the society. In Ponies Sunny wants to keep her voice, she wants to be different then society. In Harrison Bergeron, Harrison is the savior and forgiver of everyone, but the government points out that he is a menace to society. And in the Lottery Tessie is mad about society is that they stone people. Many people are isolated themselves from the society, some other villages have already quit the lottery. Society is the problem that can change people, it can mold people, or it can hurt people.]]> 2020-11-17 16:12:16 UTC https://padlet.com/eprinste1/dy56m0azjj111dof/wish/932448782 https://padlet.com/eprinste1/dy56m0azjj111dof/wish/932738850  In Harrison Bergeron by Kurt Vonnegut and the lottery by Cheryl Jackson as well as our every day life tradition has a big affect on us and everything we do it pressures us to do the same thing. It is a fear of change that all the citizens in lottery and both The ballerina and Harrison experience. In the lottery there is talk of change but the fear keeps the terrible tradition alive. In Harrison Bergeron the tradition is rarely tried but when the tradition is tried it ended up in fatality.]]> 2020-11-17 17:01:10 UTC https://padlet.com/eprinste1/dy56m0azjj111dof/wish/932738850 nmccomb2 https://padlet.com/eprinste1/dy56m0azjj111dof/wish/933128135 All 3 texts relate because they all show that you need to be willing to adapt to changes and you need to speak up. Conformity stops people from standing up for what they believe in. In Harrison Bergeron, George couldn't stand up for himself because of his handicapped. "He was required by law to wear it at all times" (Vonnegut 1). The handicap didn't allow him to think anything bad about the government. The news reporter during the ballerina scene was against change because they thought that being free from handicaps were wrong. In The Lottery, Tessie wanted to stand up for herself about how the Lottery was wrong. She spoke up. Old Man Warner didn't want any traditions to change. "Old Man Warner snorted. "Pack of crazy fools" (Jackson 4). He was completely against change. Everyone needs to know how to change and how to stand up for themselves. ]]> 2020-11-17 18:07:23 UTC https://padlet.com/eprinste1/dy56m0azjj111dof/wish/933128135 rtweedy2 https://padlet.com/eprinste1/dy56m0azjj111dof/wish/935215317 The relations in all 3 text is the social norm. For instance in the text Herrison Bergeron the social norm is to be equal and if you were any way above the others you would have handicaps. Another example is in the text Lottery, the social norm in that text is to do the tradition. If you weren't there and someone didn't tell Mr. summers or Old Man Warner then you would probably not be as welcomed. The last example is in the text conformity, it doesn't have a social norm but it explains it. It states that most people follow the crowd because they fear of not fitting in. These examples show that no matter what, in a way there are social norms all around us.]]> 2020-11-18 06:24:03 UTC https://padlet.com/eprinste1/dy56m0azjj111dof/wish/935215317 rmurray50 https://padlet.com/eprinste1/dy56m0azjj111dof/wish/936995611 in all 3 short stories the government have changed from what we know today. in Harrison Bergeron the gov. has changed to make everyone equal.this story seems that it could be true one day. It teaches us that we need celibrate our differnces or eals our socity could come to this. however in ponies the carictors are to differnt. the socil classes seperat the caritors and there desisond. the popular girls so whatever they want because no one will disagree but the nonpopular girl do what the other say. sorry if that made no sense.😜]]> 2020-11-18 14:59:24 UTC https://padlet.com/eprinste1/dy56m0azjj111dof/wish/936995611 smith118 https://padlet.com/eprinste1/dy56m0azjj111dof/wish/937316585 All three of these texts are related through the fact that all of our main characters are collected together through a social norm, and conforming to it. Such as in The Lottery, the people are gathered together in the town and are participating, however the people think that it is not fair, however people are not committing to change. However the tradition of this town can also relate to Harrison Bergeron, in which the perfect people are handicapped to dumb them down into the rest of the society's norm. However something different about this story is how there is some kind of rebellion in the story. However in the lottery as well, people do speak out about how they think the lottery is unfair. This also ties into conforming with the society, thereofre with the rules and regulations of these societys to follow, the main relation throughout these texts is people coming together through a social norm and conforming to it.]]> 2020-11-18 15:54:20 UTC https://padlet.com/eprinste1/dy56m0azjj111dof/wish/937316585 https://padlet.com/eprinste1/dy56m0azjj111dof/wish/937469508 In our society there will always be certain people better at things then others. Even though the government is trying to make everyone equal those certain people still are better at certain things.]]> 2020-11-18 16:20:42 UTC https://padlet.com/eprinste1/dy56m0azjj111dof/wish/937469508 apitcher3 https://padlet.com/eprinste1/dy56m0azjj111dof/wish/937522451 All 3 of these texts relate to each other because they all talk/have a message about how people will conform to different things, traditions, etc, just to fit in and be apart of the group. In Lottery everyone, including the kid of the person who is going to get stoned, was going to and it seemed like always will follow the rules to be apart of the group. Again we see this in Harrison because even though George has these disabilers he doesn't want to be looked at as bad for wanting to take them off even though it is completely reasonable to not want all these gadgets that make your life harder. The article we read called Conformity further explains how people react when fitting in and being apart of the group is involved.]]> 2020-11-18 16:29:52 UTC https://padlet.com/eprinste1/dy56m0azjj111dof/wish/937522451 kiya6 https://padlet.com/eprinste1/dy56m0azjj111dof/wish/937661879 All these three texts relate to each other by the way they are controlled by society and give in to conformity. IN Lottery by Shirley Jackson, everyone in the village just goes along with tradition and what they leaders say is normal, they all use conformity by agreeing but we figure out later in the text that they aren't standing up for what they actually believe. Just as they do in Harrison Bergeron where people like Hazel and George Conform in Society just as most others.]]> 2020-11-18 16:53:45 UTC https://padlet.com/eprinste1/dy56m0azjj111dof/wish/937661879 mportnof https://padlet.com/eprinste1/dy56m0azjj111dof/wish/937732755 When people say "We are all equal" there is and will always be people on top, the smarter ones, richer ones, or the ones who run the community. There is no equal in the world, unless there is power.

]]> 2020-11-18 17:06:31 UTC https://padlet.com/eprinste1/dy56m0azjj111dof/wish/937732755 pwillfor https://padlet.com/eprinste1/dy56m0azjj111dof/wish/938539828 I think in all three text they all relate in a way of a government or someone powering over the citizens. In the article about conformity it talks about how conformity is not a bad thing its just words to help people but it can also help the society run smoothly. In the chapter from the Lottery they have the tradition of picking someone to kill because they don't want there population getting bigger so the government has control over them and they don't get a choice to get killed or not. Then in Harrison Bergeron George Is controlled by the government because he carries around 3 hundred pounds and deals with sounds that mess with his brain because he is smart and different from everyone else so the government controls his brain. ]]> 2020-11-18 19:39:00 UTC https://padlet.com/eprinste1/dy56m0azjj111dof/wish/938539828 igreen15 https://padlet.com/eprinste1/dy56m0azjj111dof/wish/945963135 In all 3 of the stories the government has changed and mainly not for the better. For example, in Harrison Bergeron, the government tries to make every ordinary and no one is better than anyone else. This is good but the government is also taking away the important things in life like our differences, which contribute to who we are and what we become. Or even in the Lottery. The lottery has made people become aggressive and hurt others (by stoning, etc.). Even others villages have seen the pattern and have changed by not doing it or doing it in some other fashion. Lastly, in Ponies the government is more of social status where top girl and Starblossom almost dictate or persuade others to cut out parts of the ponies in order to be popular. This way that Starblossom/Topgirl "lead" the other girls/ponies only leads to chaos when someone like Sunny decides she doesn't want to go through with it. In the end, all three stories have shown how/ what our world will become if we continue down this path. ]]> 2020-11-20 16:30:10 UTC https://padlet.com/eprinste1/dy56m0azjj111dof/wish/945963135