Rules of Christian Decorum and Civility by timgoh https://padlet.com/timothy_goh/cqled7u1ay7r How would you adapt/innovate these practices to your school, students and/or parents? en-us 2019-03-13 15:00:24 UTC 2019-03-15 03:32:20 UTC hello@padlet.com Group 4 https://padlet.com/timothy_goh/cqled7u1ay7r/wish/341611306 The details of what to do and not to do must be articulated and addressed... the students need to know the things to do while in public]]> 2019-03-15 03:17:59 UTC https://padlet.com/timothy_goh/cqled7u1ay7r/wish/341611306 https://padlet.com/timothy_goh/cqled7u1ay7r/wish/341611328 Grp 6 Q3:
- social etiquette (behaviour on social media) ]]> 2019-03-15 03:18:10 UTC https://padlet.com/timothy_goh/cqled7u1ay7r/wish/341611328 Group 4 https://padlet.com/timothy_goh/cqled7u1ay7r/wish/341611332 1. Students need to be taught how to take into account different cultural contexts
2. Students need be taught how to adjust register according to who they are talking to
3. Still need to emphasise importance of decorum

]]> 2019-03-15 03:18:12 UTC https://padlet.com/timothy_goh/cqled7u1ay7r/wish/341611332 Group 28 https://padlet.com/timothy_goh/cqled7u1ay7r/wish/341611374 Sexuality education, CCE, social skills, camps outings, special needs education, posters, role modeling, engage with parents (email). ]]> 2019-03-15 03:18:33 UTC https://padlet.com/timothy_goh/cqled7u1ay7r/wish/341611374 https://padlet.com/timothy_goh/cqled7u1ay7r/wish/341611458 Group 11: structures in place for today’s context like FTGP, CME and CCE lessons to handle these issues. Offline, PTM and emails to parents would leverage on parents’ help to address them rather than fully depend on schools]]> 2019-03-15 03:19:02 UTC https://padlet.com/timothy_goh/cqled7u1ay7r/wish/341611458 Group 8 https://padlet.com/timothy_goh/cqled7u1ay7r/wish/341611460 Some of these guidelines and life skills are still very relevant today. We still see young children not knowing some of these etiquette when they enter school. These cannot be taken for granted.]]> 2019-03-15 03:19:03 UTC https://padlet.com/timothy_goh/cqled7u1ay7r/wish/341611460 https://padlet.com/timothy_goh/cqled7u1ay7r/wish/341611468 Personal hygiene matters were important. 
Teaching good practices. 
Specific hygiene practices were taught]]> 2019-03-15 03:19:07 UTC https://padlet.com/timothy_goh/cqled7u1ay7r/wish/341611468 Group 4 https://padlet.com/timothy_goh/cqled7u1ay7r/wish/341611496
Setting them right would signal them that there are expectations attached to it]]> 2019-03-15 03:19:28 UTC https://padlet.com/timothy_goh/cqled7u1ay7r/wish/341611496 Gp 1 https://padlet.com/timothy_goh/cqled7u1ay7r/wish/341611557 Self Mgmt skills are coming back.
We should not make assumptions that students know how to behave. Relevant and clear guidelines must be given to be civilised.

]]> 2019-03-15 03:19:59 UTC https://padlet.com/timothy_goh/cqled7u1ay7r/wish/341611557 https://padlet.com/timothy_goh/cqled7u1ay7r/wish/341611621 Group 19

Include some aspects in parents briefing as advice to parents. 

Get teachers to role model good social behavior 


]]> 2019-03-15 03:20:39 UTC https://padlet.com/timothy_goh/cqled7u1ay7r/wish/341611621 https://padlet.com/timothy_goh/cqled7u1ay7r/wish/341611623 Group 10
1. Things we thought were common sense (expected that were taught at home) today but were taught so explicitly in the past. 
2. Still relevant as some students may have poor home support and require explicit teaching. If a behaviour is observed quite frequently in class, address it as a class. If not work with the single child. 
3. Subsume this kind of teaching under CCE lessons. 

]]> 2019-03-15 03:20:41 UTC https://padlet.com/timothy_goh/cqled7u1ay7r/wish/341611623 https://padlet.com/timothy_goh/cqled7u1ay7r/wish/341611635 Group 2
Character development is on going. It helps to bring a better version of oneself.]]> 2019-03-15 03:20:47 UTC https://padlet.com/timothy_goh/cqled7u1ay7r/wish/341611635 https://padlet.com/timothy_goh/cqled7u1ay7r/wish/341611650 Grp 27 
Stepping on the spit to personal hygiene 
Table manners - not finishing the food to today’s context of getting the pupils to finish all the food. Bridging the GAP between the rich and the poor. 
Teaching values of being a fine gentleman. 
Making etiquette part and parcel of the school rules. Linking the social skills as part of the holistic education- speaking respectfully, body language ]]> 2019-03-15 03:20:56 UTC https://padlet.com/timothy_goh/cqled7u1ay7r/wish/341611650 Gp 11 https://padlet.com/timothy_goh/cqled7u1ay7r/wish/341611685 Parents sometimes are the ones who use vulgarities. It is so common in media etc. We just have to continue to remind, and be mindful of ourselves. ]]> 2019-03-15 03:21:09 UTC https://padlet.com/timothy_goh/cqled7u1ay7r/wish/341611685 Group 7 https://padlet.com/timothy_goh/cqled7u1ay7r/wish/341611710 Good manners still applies. Can be taught in FT period, CCE in lessons. 

Teaching students basic norms, taught more explicitly and formally. 

Social etiquette and personal well being taught for all students. ]]> 2019-03-15 03:21:23 UTC https://padlet.com/timothy_goh/cqled7u1ay7r/wish/341611710 https://padlet.com/timothy_goh/cqled7u1ay7r/wish/341611744 Group 18
Practices were more Euro-centric then. So now as globalised culture, we need to be more multi cultural in our exposure to students .
In our current practice, Teachers would model the behaviour so that the students will learn the good behaviour.
 ]]> 2019-03-15 03:21:36 UTC https://padlet.com/timothy_goh/cqled7u1ay7r/wish/341611744 https://padlet.com/timothy_goh/cqled7u1ay7r/wish/341611765 Teachable moments to teach the appropriate hygiene practices. ]]> 2019-03-15 03:21:43 UTC https://padlet.com/timothy_goh/cqled7u1ay7r/wish/341611765 Team Five Fabulous https://padlet.com/timothy_goh/cqled7u1ay7r/wish/341611783 Question 1
a) Interesting social skills (the one that are relevant) 
b) Etiquette being introduced 

Question 2
a) Lack of upbringing/families are broken/parents are busy/leave teaching to schools
b) yes, they are relevant because parents nowadays are also busy with the careers and may be lacking of support. 

Question 3
a) Form teacher time, CCE, PAL lessons. 
b) Manners can be practised/trained
c) Proper behaviour in asking questions 
d) Communication with teachers and students 
e) Decorum between genders 
f) presentation skills]]> 2019-03-15 03:21:51 UTC https://padlet.com/timothy_goh/cqled7u1ay7r/wish/341611783 Group 30 https://padlet.com/timothy_goh/cqled7u1ay7r/wish/341611829 There should be a class explicitly teaching these rules. One rule per week and it is tested at the end of every term.]]> 2019-03-15 03:22:08 UTC https://padlet.com/timothy_goh/cqled7u1ay7r/wish/341611829 Group 5 https://padlet.com/timothy_goh/cqled7u1ay7r/wish/341611849 Instruction on common ettitique 
- provide students with a code of conduct
- interesting that they had to detail the actions, society now has progressed. Manners have improved over time.
- School plays a role to sets clear expectations.
- we face the same issues amongst some students now.
- e.g. lack of parental support... 
- decorum and civility requires support from both family and school. 
- teacher has to model for students.
- want poorer kids to level up with the richer kids. Manners is a way for kids to have equal respect.



]]> 2019-03-15 03:22:17 UTC https://padlet.com/timothy_goh/cqled7u1ay7r/wish/341611849 Showing the proper etiquette https://padlet.com/timothy_goh/cqled7u1ay7r/wish/341611850 Raising self awareness and teachers to reinforce in the classroom such as being mindful of their body language when speaking to others and during morning assembly ]]> 2019-03-15 03:22:17 UTC https://padlet.com/timothy_goh/cqled7u1ay7r/wish/341611850 Group 7 joanne_liou https://padlet.com/timothy_goh/cqled7u1ay7r/wish/341611942 Teaching of CCE and Lifeskills (eg personal grooming, dining etiquette) are important in education. ]]> 2019-03-15 03:22:48 UTC https://padlet.com/timothy_goh/cqled7u1ay7r/wish/341611942 https://padlet.com/timothy_goh/cqled7u1ay7r/wish/341611958 Group 24
How would you adapt these practices of Decorum & Civility today? 
1. Hygience skills are still relevant today.
2. The practices will help students today to be successful people by imparting them with social and emotional skills.
3. Educating children how to treat one another with respect and interact with one another.
4. Building positive classroom culture is aligned with the singapore teaching practice.



]]> 2019-03-15 03:22:59 UTC https://padlet.com/timothy_goh/cqled7u1ay7r/wish/341611958 https://padlet.com/timothy_goh/cqled7u1ay7r/wish/341611972 Group 21
1) Practices outlined are relevant to everybody, teachers, pupils and parents. 
2) Social etiquettes should be introduced in school. 
To minimise the social gaps between the different classes during that era. 
3) FTGP lessons, teachable moments, TACT, living well. 

]]> 2019-03-15 03:23:10 UTC https://padlet.com/timothy_goh/cqled7u1ay7r/wish/341611972 Group 18 https://padlet.com/timothy_goh/cqled7u1ay7r/wish/341612009 Personal grooming 
- spitting is not as relevant today but digging of nose and coughing still are
- to bridge the gap between the poor and the rich 
- taught in our preschools now
- covered in HE lessons now

Like the early stage of the CCE now

Leaving food behind is not relevant now, pupils are taught to finish their food ]]> 2019-03-15 03:23:24 UTC https://padlet.com/timothy_goh/cqled7u1ay7r/wish/341612009 Group 2 https://padlet.com/timothy_goh/cqled7u1ay7r/wish/341612024 3.  School still do teach hygiene practices. Rules adapted to check on attire and grooming,social skills etc. Food wastage is not checked on these days. Some schools have fruit day. ]]> 2019-03-15 03:23:30 UTC https://padlet.com/timothy_goh/cqled7u1ay7r/wish/341612024 Group 16 https://padlet.com/timothy_goh/cqled7u1ay7r/wish/341612032 1) interesting

Manners and personal hygiene practices needs to be explicitly taught in school as well instead of us assuming that they would have already known about it. 

Students were taught to leave some food behind instead of not wasting food.

2) relevant

Class routines can be part of teaching of manners

Teaching of manners and social skills in school

Importance of personal hygiene needs to be taught in school

3) adapt 

Teaching boys how to treat girls

Teaching boys the correct behaviour in public]]> 2019-03-15 03:23:35 UTC https://padlet.com/timothy_goh/cqled7u1ay7r/wish/341612032 https://padlet.com/timothy_goh/cqled7u1ay7r/wish/341612044 Group 29: The rules about spitting, coughing, eating a soup, eating manners, folding your arms were interesting. When talking with others should not be rude to others. These rules were introduced to teach the poor civility. These are still relevant to students and to us too. We still have to teach our manners, respect and civility. ]]> 2019-03-15 03:23:39 UTC https://padlet.com/timothy_goh/cqled7u1ay7r/wish/341612044 Group28 https://padlet.com/timothy_goh/cqled7u1ay7r/wish/341612057 Puzzled by leaving little food on plate. Asians are taught that if one rice grain equates to one pimple. 

Conduct of hygiene while sick is still very relevant today. 
Delighted and assumed by rules regarding nose 

A modern version of teaching etiquette to bridge the gap ore between “rich and poor”, could be something like rules of fines dining?]]> 2019-03-15 03:23:44 UTC https://padlet.com/timothy_goh/cqled7u1ay7r/wish/341612057 https://padlet.com/timothy_goh/cqled7u1ay7r/wish/341612060 Group 19

Teachers to be made aware of required behavior and highlight wrong behavior by taking photo and showing them during assembly. ]]> 2019-03-15 03:23:45 UTC https://padlet.com/timothy_goh/cqled7u1ay7r/wish/341612060 Group 12 phay_yi_ren_dominic https://padlet.com/timothy_goh/cqled7u1ay7r/wish/341612067 Not so relevant in our current society, however, we can adapt the expectations of proper decorum like manners when interacting with peers and teacher. Need to train them to show the due respect of a teacher.

We are still particular and strict against students who use vulgarities. The challenges we face now cannot be controlled unless the strict home support is present. Parents have to work closely with teachers to ensure that it is dominated.

Parents now need to address the teacher with respect.]]> 2019-03-15 03:23:48 UTC https://padlet.com/timothy_goh/cqled7u1ay7r/wish/341612067 https://padlet.com/timothy_goh/cqled7u1ay7r/wish/341612088 Previously poor families. Low education. Parents not free to teach them.
Now. Class or assembly prayers or reflections help focus on mindful thinking.]]> 2019-03-15 03:23:59 UTC https://padlet.com/timothy_goh/cqled7u1ay7r/wish/341612088 https://padlet.com/timothy_goh/cqled7u1ay7r/wish/341612090 Group 9
It would be good to have a course to teach our boys  how to be a gentleman and our girls to learn grooming.

To have mirrors around the school for self check of look and behaviour.

To teach such social life skills explicitly in school. Cannot assume that they are being taught at home.



 ]]> 2019-03-15 03:24:00 UTC https://padlet.com/timothy_goh/cqled7u1ay7r/wish/341612090 Role play https://padlet.com/timothy_goh/cqled7u1ay7r/wish/341612109 Get the boys to role play will help them to behave better in a real world.]]> 2019-03-15 03:24:12 UTC https://padlet.com/timothy_goh/cqled7u1ay7r/wish/341612109 https://padlet.com/timothy_goh/cqled7u1ay7r/wish/341612169 21 - 
Social skills are still mostly taught thro activities in schs eg. camps etc. 
Alot of just-in-time teaching and learning for decorum is carried out. ]]> 2019-03-15 03:24:30 UTC https://padlet.com/timothy_goh/cqled7u1ay7r/wish/341612169 loh_sing_huay https://padlet.com/timothy_goh/cqled7u1ay7r/wish/341612241 Group 17: 1) Teaching on manners and etiquette is important.  Personal hygiene practices need to be taught at times. 2) Explicit teaching of manners and role modeling by teachers is needed to inculcate these values to our students. ]]> 2019-03-15 03:24:57 UTC https://padlet.com/timothy_goh/cqled7u1ay7r/wish/341612241 https://padlet.com/timothy_goh/cqled7u1ay7r/wish/341612303 Group 13
Topics learnt is relevant, some still needs to be taught, but some have already been learnt. 
Education landscape is changing, some rules need to be adapted to times. 

]]> 2019-03-15 03:25:21 UTC https://padlet.com/timothy_goh/cqled7u1ay7r/wish/341612303 Group 13_1 https://padlet.com/timothy_goh/cqled7u1ay7r/wish/341612320 Discussion is on whether ettique must be explicitly taught. For example, explicit teaching of social skills and awareness is necessary. We also think that some social standards are not as widely accepted across society thus it can be difficult to enforce. Some parents may not endorse the school's approach or public may have opinions on whether school is too strict of lenient. Students can get confused in this different standards and perhaps find their own socio-morale bearings.]]> 2019-03-15 03:25:29 UTC https://padlet.com/timothy_goh/cqled7u1ay7r/wish/341612320 Group 21. https://padlet.com/timothy_goh/cqled7u1ay7r/wish/341612443
More emphasis should be given of proper use of language and refrain from crude/vulgar words. Perhaps even detention can be given.Teachers should also address students directly on behaviour that does not live up the the social etiquette of the country. ]]> 2019-03-15 03:26:14 UTC https://padlet.com/timothy_goh/cqled7u1ay7r/wish/341612443 Group 29: we have students using vulgarities. It’s good to teach them manners, respect, proper behaviour. https://padlet.com/timothy_goh/cqled7u1ay7r/wish/341612511 2019-03-15 03:26:36 UTC https://padlet.com/timothy_goh/cqled7u1ay7r/wish/341612511 Group 22 Q3 https://padlet.com/timothy_goh/cqled7u1ay7r/wish/341612584 Extend greetings and a acknowledgement to all in the school, service staff, cleaners, estate workers, office clerks, teachers and students. ]]> 2019-03-15 03:27:02 UTC https://padlet.com/timothy_goh/cqled7u1ay7r/wish/341612584 https://padlet.com/timothy_goh/cqled7u1ay7r/wish/341612645 In CCE lessons,  Social skills,  talks ]]> 2019-03-15 03:27:06 UTC https://padlet.com/timothy_goh/cqled7u1ay7r/wish/341612645 Group 22 https://padlet.com/timothy_goh/cqled7u1ay7r/wish/341612656 More time needs to be spent on teaching values to students as many come from homes whereby parents do not spend enough time with the children. We have children coming in who do not have basic civil manners. ]]> 2019-03-15 03:27:11 UTC https://padlet.com/timothy_goh/cqled7u1ay7r/wish/341612656 https://padlet.com/timothy_goh/cqled7u1ay7r/wish/341612837 Group 17

Rules for personal hygiene. These help in managing HFMD. 

The kids today are not aware of the impact of their actions. We assume that kids would have learnt and parents would have taught, but this is not true. 

After PE, use a towel to wipe off their sweat. 

Etiquette in a CO-Ed setting needs to be taught; how to interact with the other sex. 

Sometimes they leave the tissue on the table. 

It takes time set aside to develop habits. Do we gather all these things in our CCE syllabus? 


]]> 2019-03-15 03:27:59 UTC https://padlet.com/timothy_goh/cqled7u1ay7r/wish/341612837 https://padlet.com/timothy_goh/cqled7u1ay7r/wish/341612845 Group 3
Great!  Today we think parents teach them but so often they don’t! We have forgotten to teach good manners!
LIFE SKILLS- 
Will be interesting to see how A.I.  will be handled- 
Character Development!!
Replaced by Emphasis on Grades. 
Learning to be appropriate requires outside classroom.
Need skills sets - 
Old days- DIGNITY - important 
Today- Money can be the most - so ok. Be crude if you deliver grades or have money!

Gaming and social media bigger influence than class eg 
Gaming& Powe- Greed!]]> 2019-03-15 03:28:01 UTC https://padlet.com/timothy_goh/cqled7u1ay7r/wish/341612845 https://padlet.com/timothy_goh/cqled7u1ay7r/wish/341612939 Group 25
Some of these rules can be applied to parents. 
While schools are responsible for developing the students' character, they seem to be shouldering an unreasonable load. 
Schools appear to be the stopgap for issues that have drawn public attention. 

]]> 2019-03-15 03:28:40 UTC https://padlet.com/timothy_goh/cqled7u1ay7r/wish/341612939 https://padlet.com/timothy_goh/cqled7u1ay7r/wish/341613037 Group 8

Very detailed description on observable and expected behaviour to be exhibited
A lot of details are put in to Ensure they upkeep an expected presentation

It calls even for parents or Teachers - do we go to such great length to teach them how to conduct themselves well ? We may have not cos we assume these behaviours will be picked up along the way as the child grows. So maybe we should take note of such details and probably induct into the children and teach them in whole school approach 





]]> 2019-03-15 03:29:23 UTC https://padlet.com/timothy_goh/cqled7u1ay7r/wish/341613037 Group 24 decorum and civility https://padlet.com/timothy_goh/cqled7u1ay7r/wish/341613041 It is normally assumed that the students know all these but that’s for the majority. There are a small minority who are unaware of certain social Norms/ personal hygiene habits. 

Adults are sometimes also unaware of certain conversational techniques in social interactions.(how to deal with disparaging remarks in conversations etc)

For Teachers to role model to the students behaviours and manners.

Teachable moments. When something happens, teach it and ask the students involved to reflect. 

In the past, it is the Teachers who are teaching these matters due to parental social status etc. Also, the students back then in the schools may be orphans and children on the streets who have no one to teach these things to them. 

Nowadays, it is more of reinforcement and reminders to children to behave and act appropriately rather than imparting these manners for the first time. 


]]> 2019-03-15 03:29:25 UTC https://padlet.com/timothy_goh/cqled7u1ay7r/wish/341613041 Group 26 https://padlet.com/timothy_goh/cqled7u1ay7r/wish/341613170 1) Finishing of food is being valued now. It shows that you value whatever is given to you and practice zero waste.

2) there are practices that can be adapted to help oir students carry themselves well, and help them to be a responsible member in the society. Such as how to clear the plates and stack them during recesses. How to be polite to guests and welcome them.]]> 2019-03-15 03:29:59 UTC https://padlet.com/timothy_goh/cqled7u1ay7r/wish/341613170 https://padlet.com/timothy_goh/cqled7u1ay7r/wish/341613204 Group 20

1. How to spit. How to yawn. Cannot finish the food (glutton). 

2. Relevant to the society at that time, however, it is no longer relevant at this time. Primary school teachers still teach students hygiene. Parents are still difficult. 

3. 

]]> 2019-03-15 03:30:14 UTC https://padlet.com/timothy_goh/cqled7u1ay7r/wish/341613204 alanchan10 https://padlet.com/timothy_goh/cqled7u1ay7r/wish/341613266 Group 19 - Lasallian Educators found here
1) Overlapped with some decorums found in conduct of schools,
2)  when talking to people don’t fold your arms - students folding arms = defensive of their stand/position, sitting students down to calm the students and put students at ease, 
3) spitting out of mischief - instead of being unclad, students do it out of mischief,
4) students  are not properly groomed (not brushing teeth’s, comb hair, taking a morning shower), students can be taught to personal grooming,
5) primary students do feedback to teachers that their parents don’t teach/role mode personal grooming with them at home,
6) challenges - students do not know basic life skills - cleaning after himself/herself, tying school laces, buttoning shirts, engagement of maids led to a high dependence on the maid to do everything,
7) learning from the basics - organising the class, wash hands/flush after going to toilets, 
8) parents may neglect their children because of work commitments, 
9) learning boundaries - what is acceptable and appropriate versus what is inappropriate and unacceptable behaviour. 

]]> 2019-03-15 03:30:46 UTC https://padlet.com/timothy_goh/cqled7u1ay7r/wish/341613266 Group 12a https://padlet.com/timothy_goh/cqled7u1ay7r/wish/341613368 1. Interesting Practice
  • Practices were VERY explicit in explaining what was proper and what was not such that there was little to no room for error.
2. Why were the practices introduced? Are they relevant today? Are there any similarities for us today?
  • The need to be more explicit in stating what is an expected behaviour.
3. How would we adapt these practices?
Syllabus reduction to focus on life lessons and life etiquette such as:
  • How to greet teachers, 
  • How to speak to people of authority, 
  • How to be respectful to others,
  • How to conduct yourself in public (i.e modesty, proper respectful conduct in public)
  • Cyber wellness etiquette (i.e how to reply on WhatsApp)
]]> 2019-03-15 03:31:22 UTC https://padlet.com/timothy_goh/cqled7u1ay7r/wish/341613368 Group 4 https://padlet.com/timothy_goh/cqled7u1ay7r/wish/341613431 Positive education - Highlighting the strengths and positiveness in students, not just the misbehaviors and faults. 

Nowadays we talk to students about eg how to sit or move from place to place, maybe we should go back to basics of basic hygiene too eg cleaning up after toileting, tucking in shirts betw underpants and outer pants, handling nose bleed, clearing nose, handling dirtier tissue - for lower Pri 

Need to reinforce and practise civility / politeness of morning greeting, please, thank you but hard to sustain as not prevalent in our culture]]> 2019-03-15 03:31:51 UTC https://padlet.com/timothy_goh/cqled7u1ay7r/wish/341613431 https://padlet.com/timothy_goh/cqled7u1ay7r/wish/341613477 Group 15
1. Only a glutton empties his plate. This is something we found interesting but do not agree. When somebody does something embarrassing, you look away so that the person does not feel uncomfortable. learning how to develop empathy for others and also self awareness.

]]> 2019-03-15 03:32:01 UTC https://padlet.com/timothy_goh/cqled7u1ay7r/wish/341613477 https://padlet.com/timothy_goh/cqled7u1ay7r/wish/341613523 We should implement some form of reading of class/canteen decorum in our classes.
- Some of them do not practise this at home but they do this in school
- Pupils could also be taught/assigned Housekeeping duties in the classroom/canteen
- Habits can also be taught/drilled when in the lower primary levels
- What was the success rate then when they read the Decorum and Civility book to the pupils? Was it high? If yes, we could try to employ something similar in our schools now.
- Pupils currently do not see simple acts like picking litter or moving obstacles as good deeds. They don’t do it because it does not affect them.]]> 2019-03-15 03:32:20 UTC https://padlet.com/timothy_goh/cqled7u1ay7r/wish/341613523