https://padlet.com/kayla_vo_nguyen/cfexfinl7qf9 en-us 2018-12-05 19:01:26 UTC 2023-03-05 00:13:42 UTC hello@padlet.com sophia_burke2 https://padlet.com/kayla_vo_nguyen/cfexfinl7qf9/wish/311543098 In the works, "Pyramus and Thisbe" and Romeo and Juliet after discovering what seemed to be the deaths of their loved ones, Pyramus and Romeo killed themselves. If they waited and not acted upon impulse, both of them and their lover would be alive. " 'It is I who killed you,' he said. He lifted up from the trampled dust what was left of the cloak and kissing it again and again carried it to the mulberry tree. 'Now,' he said, 'you shall drink my blood too.' He drew his sword and plunged it into his side. . . She ventured to go back to the tree of the tryst" ("Pyramus and Thisbe"). This quote shows that if Pyramus stopped to think rationally before acting on impulse, he would see that Thisbe is alive and would not kill himself. "Please, sir, have patience. You look pale and wild as if you're going to hurt yourself. . . Tsk, you're wrong. Leave me and do what I told you to do. Don't you have a letter for me from the friar?. . . Well, Juliet, I'll lie with you tonight. . . Is crimson in thy lips and in thy cheeks, And death's pale flag is not advanced there." (No Fear Shakespeare). This quote, like the one from "Pyramus and Thisbe", shows how if he just waited and didn't act on impulse, he would still be with his loved one and alive. ]]> 2018-12-05 19:06:05 UTC https://padlet.com/kayla_vo_nguyen/cfexfinl7qf9/wish/311543098 bernadette_t143 https://padlet.com/kayla_vo_nguyen/cfexfinl7qf9/wish/311551623 In the both of the works, the rivalry between the lovers' family forms the basis of conflict that eventually leads to their deaths. Particularly, in "Pyramus and Thisbe," it is stated, "They longed to marry, but their parents forbade." Similarly in Romeo and Juliet, it says, "If they [the Capulets] do see thee they will murder thee." This symbolizes the profound hatred between the family. However, it is this grudge that brings about the love between both pairs. This is expressed in "Pyramus and Thisbe" when it is said, "The hateful wall that separated them had become their means of reaching each other." It can be said that the wall also physically represents the family grudge and serves as a bridge for communication. In Romeo and Juliet, Juliet specifically says "My only love sprung from my only hate." Since their family situation would never allow them to be together, they both resort to fleeing from their homes which ultimately kills them. ]]> 2018-12-05 19:19:23 UTC https://padlet.com/kayla_vo_nguyen/cfexfinl7qf9/wish/311551623 bernadette_t143 https://padlet.com/kayla_vo_nguyen/cfexfinl7qf9/wish/311554657 The Unhealable Wound is an archetypical concept that can be found in both works multiple times. Starting with Romeo, when he hears that Juliet is dead, he reacts very strongly. In his eyes, this can be seen as a psychological unhealable wound to his heart because he expresses that he can not live without her. Romeo states in Romeo and Juliet, "Well, Juliet, I will lie with thee tonight." Because of his suffering, he wishes to kill himself with poison from the apothecary to relieve himself of his misery (Acts 4-5). Similarly in "Pyramus and Thisbe," Pyramus (after incorrectly concluding that Thisbe is dead) also chooses the method of suicide because he feels that he can't go on without her. It is stated, " 'It is I who killed you,' he said... 'Now,' he said, 'you shall drink my blood too.' He drew his sword and plunged it into his side." Both Romeo's and Pyramus' actions symbolize a loss of innocence. This then directly causes the suicides of Juliet and Thisbe (driven by the same emotions and unhealable wound). Of course, it can also be compared that their physical wounds are also fatal. :)]]> 2018-12-05 19:24:27 UTC https://padlet.com/kayla_vo_nguyen/cfexfinl7qf9/wish/311554657 kayla_vo_nguyen https://padlet.com/kayla_vo_nguyen/cfexfinl7qf9/wish/311559047 A common situation from both Romeo and Juliet and "Pyramus and Thisbe" is their journey to escape and be together. In both of these tragedies, they had a plan to slip away and be together. "Thou shalt be borne to that same ancient vault Where all the kindred of the Capulets lie. In the meantime, against thou shalt awake, Shall Romeo by my letters know our drift, And hither shall he come, and he and I Will watch thy waking, and that very night Shall Romeo bear thee hence to Mantua. (4.1. 110-118)," said Friar Lawrence in Romeo and Juliet. This is similar to when Pyramus and Thisbe was planning to escape. "They decided that that very night they would try to slip away and steal out through the city into the open country where at last they could be together in freedom. They agreed to meet at a well-known place, the Tomb of Ninus. . . ("Pyramus and Thisbe")." Both planned to “meet” at a tomb. However, one planned to meet at the Tomb of Capulet and another at the Tomb of Ninus. In the journey to escape, both Romeo and Pyramus miscommunicated some events that occurred. "The lioness came upon it on her way back to her lair and she mouthed it and tore it before disappearing into the woods. That is what Pyramus saw when he appeared a few minutes later. Before him lay the bloodstained shreds of the cloak and clear in the dust were the tracks of the lioness. The conclusion was inevitable. He never doubted that he knew all. Thisbe was dead ("Pyramus and Thisbe")." The image of a shredded cloak covered in blood made him think that Thisbe was killed by a lioness. This is similar to when Romeo thought Juliet died because he never received the letter from Friar Lawrence about Juliet's fake death. This led him to believe that Juliet was really dead from Balthasar's news. "Her body sleeps in Capels' monument, And her immortal part with angels lives. I saw her laid low in her kindred's vault And presently took post to tell it you. 0, pardon me for bringing these ill news, Since you did leave it for my office, sir (5.1.18-23)," said Balthasar from Romeo and Juliet. "But he which bore my letter, Friar John, Was stayed by accident, and yesternight Returned my letter back (5.3.250-253)," said Friar Lawrence from Romeo and Juliet. This is where the tragedy strikes. They both thought their lover died and decided to commit suicide to be with them. However, Juliet and Thisbe didn't really die. Eventually, they did due to their lover's impulsiveness. If Romeo didn't rush to kill himself, he would have figured out that Juliet was still alive.This is similar to the dilemma Pyramus was in. Both hastily rushed to a conclusion that their lovers died which resulted in their deaths and in Juliet's and Thisbe's death. (Because Romeo and Pyramus death made Juliet and Thisbe want to die also.) These are the common situations the story Romeo and Juliet and "Pyramus and Thisbe" have in common.

]]> 2018-12-05 19:31:40 UTC https://padlet.com/kayla_vo_nguyen/cfexfinl7qf9/wish/311559047 sophia_burke2 https://padlet.com/kayla_vo_nguyen/cfexfinl7qf9/wish/311566317 An unhealable wound archetypically can represent a loss of innocence. The loss of innocence in the works Romeo and Juliet and "Pyramus and Thisbe" are related because both are connected to witnessing death or in Pyramus' case jumping to the conclusion of death. In "Pyramus and Thisbe", the loss of innocence is represented by the mulberries. At first, they were white, which represents the purity of the relationship. After Pyramus kills himself the berries turn red which represents danger, passion, energy, and love. "The blood spurted up over the berries and dyed them a dark red. . .  but not one gleam of white was on the branches"' ("Pyramus and Thisbe"). Although the loss of innocence is symbolically represented by the mulberries, the reason that drove Pyramus into killing himself was the "death" of his lover. In Romeo and Juliet, Romeo loses his innocence after witnessing the death of Mercutio. "Either thou or I, or both, must go with him. . . 'The citizens are up, and Tybalt slain' " (Romeo and Juliet). After witnessing the death of his best friend, Romeo results in committing murder. Mercutio's death in Romeo and Juliet represents the loss of Romeo's innocence, like the "death of Thisbe" represents the loss of Pyramus' innocence.]]> 2018-12-05 19:44:29 UTC https://padlet.com/kayla_vo_nguyen/cfexfinl7qf9/wish/311566317 bernadette_t143 https://padlet.com/kayla_vo_nguyen/cfexfinl7qf9/wish/311988584 2018-12-06 19:09:26 UTC https://padlet.com/kayla_vo_nguyen/cfexfinl7qf9/wish/311988584 bernadette_t143 https://padlet.com/kayla_vo_nguyen/cfexfinl7qf9/wish/311988840 2018-12-06 19:09:46 UTC https://padlet.com/kayla_vo_nguyen/cfexfinl7qf9/wish/311988840 sophia_burke2 https://padlet.com/kayla_vo_nguyen/cfexfinl7qf9/wish/311989468 Romeo and Juliet]]> 2018-12-06 19:10:44 UTC https://padlet.com/kayla_vo_nguyen/cfexfinl7qf9/wish/311989468 sophia_burke2 https://padlet.com/kayla_vo_nguyen/cfexfinl7qf9/wish/311989686 These represent the innocence in the story "Pyramus and Thisbe."]]> 2018-12-06 19:11:02 UTC https://padlet.com/kayla_vo_nguyen/cfexfinl7qf9/wish/311989686 kayla_vo_nguyen https://padlet.com/kayla_vo_nguyen/cfexfinl7qf9/wish/311991612 2018-12-06 19:13:44 UTC https://padlet.com/kayla_vo_nguyen/cfexfinl7qf9/wish/311991612 sophia_burke2 https://padlet.com/kayla_vo_nguyen/cfexfinl7qf9/wish/311991926 These represent the loss of innocence in "Pyramus and Thisbe."]]> 2018-12-06 19:14:12 UTC https://padlet.com/kayla_vo_nguyen/cfexfinl7qf9/wish/311991926 sophia_burke2 https://padlet.com/kayla_vo_nguyen/cfexfinl7qf9/wish/311996283 2018-12-06 19:21:04 UTC https://padlet.com/kayla_vo_nguyen/cfexfinl7qf9/wish/311996283 bernadette_t143 https://padlet.com/kayla_vo_nguyen/cfexfinl7qf9/wish/311997570 Juliet and Thisbe, main characters in both of the stories, gain their courage from their love. Their actions require intense bravery and dedication. For example, in Romeo and Juliet, Juliet is given a potion from Friar Lawrence. As dramatized in Act 4, she definitely has justified doubts about taking it. It states, "Give me, give me! O, tell me not of fear! ... Love give me strength, and strength shall help afford" (RJ.4.1.121,127). For a girl of her age to take such risks, it is evident that her strength comes from her desperate desire to be with Romeo. Similarly, in "Pyramus and Thisbe," Thisbe takes many risks in order to be together with Pyramus. The text states, "Also love can always find a way. It was impossible that these two whose hearts were on fire should be kept apart" (pg. 1). Like Juliet, she is willing to leave everything behind. This specific emotion (of the night of their planned escape) is expressed when "Pyramus and Thisbe" says, "Pyramus had not come; still she waited for him, her love making her bold." Finally, this common theme is also depicted when both Juliet and Thisbe choose desperate methods of death: suicide. Thisbe later says, " 'I too can be brave. I too can love. Only death would have had the power to separate us.' " She then proceeds to stab herself. In Romeo and Juliet, it is implied that Juliet is motivated by the same feelings when she states, "O happy dagger, / This is thy sheath. There rust and let me die." Therefore, the two characters Thisbe and Juliet can be characterized as romantic heroes. ]]> 2018-12-06 19:23:17 UTC https://padlet.com/kayla_vo_nguyen/cfexfinl7qf9/wish/311997570 kayla_vo_nguyen https://padlet.com/kayla_vo_nguyen/cfexfinl7qf9/wish/311999835 2018-12-06 19:27:17 UTC https://padlet.com/kayla_vo_nguyen/cfexfinl7qf9/wish/311999835 sophia_burke2 https://padlet.com/kayla_vo_nguyen/cfexfinl7qf9/wish/312001741 2018-12-06 19:30:33 UTC https://padlet.com/kayla_vo_nguyen/cfexfinl7qf9/wish/312001741