https://padlet.com/lpearl/cdnxhcvqp5xh Jot down your thoughts, observations, aha moments, predictions, etc. en-us 2017-11-16 15:03:31 UTC 2019-12-04 20:35:31 UTC hello@padlet.com d25matthew3805 https://padlet.com/lpearl/cdnxhcvqp5xh/wish/419906684 Piggy is viewed as useless. Everyone says, no he's not, but the thing is, they don't use his talents. He is portrayed as the clever kid who no one listens to. If the group listened to him he would be the most useful character, but all they use him for is his glasses. He did have the idea to blow the conch, but Ralph got the credit. He also had the idea to collect the names, but was overwhelmed when Ralph told him to collect every name and because of this he ended up failing. He is looked down on because he is fat and not listening to him might be everyone's downfall.]]> 2019-12-04 20:05:56 UTC https://padlet.com/lpearl/cdnxhcvqp5xh/wish/419906684 https://padlet.com/lpearl/cdnxhcvqp5xh/wish/419906699 "He can't hurt you: but if you stand out of the way he'd hurt the next thing. And that's me"(93). We all know that Piggy is the smartest but also the most physically challenged. And that Jack is probably the farthest away from being civilized and the deepest into savagery. And we all know that Jack hates Piggy. For me, I don't entirely know why Jack hates Piggy. But I do know that Jack will hurt Piggy in a heartbeat. Maybe even think of killing Piggy. If you think about it, Jack probably sees Piggy as a problem. And what is a way to get rid of that problem? Killing Piggy. I believe that when Ralph is finally unable to control Jack and is unable to protect Piggy, Jack will get rid of him.]]> 2019-12-04 20:05:57 UTC https://padlet.com/lpearl/cdnxhcvqp5xh/wish/419906699 https://padlet.com/lpearl/cdnxhcvqp5xh/wish/419906717 I am surprised that the boys made as many rules as they did but I am not surprised that most of the boys didn't follow them. It really shows that without civilization and adults their human nature starts to break through and they only watch out for themselves.]]> 2019-12-04 20:06:01 UTC https://padlet.com/lpearl/cdnxhcvqp5xh/wish/419906717 d25timothy4770 https://padlet.com/lpearl/cdnxhcvqp5xh/wish/419906743 I am surprised that more people aren't taking advantage of the fact that they can do whatever they want. The only people that are really being mean are Roger Jack and Maurice and I'm also surprised that the littluns aren't fighting each other or they aren't knocking each others sand castles down.]]> 2019-12-04 20:06:04 UTC https://padlet.com/lpearl/cdnxhcvqp5xh/wish/419906743 d25trevor6406 https://padlet.com/lpearl/cdnxhcvqp5xh/wish/419906790 "Only, decided Ralph as he faced the chief's seat, I can't think. Not like Piggy"(78). This is the moment when Ralph realises that his role as chief is to take care of everyone and maintain order. He starts to understand that he is not smart enough to be a chief, but Piggy is. Now Ralph could use piggy as a sort of advisor.]]> 2019-12-04 20:06:08 UTC https://padlet.com/lpearl/cdnxhcvqp5xh/wish/419906790 d25lucie2227 https://padlet.com/lpearl/cdnxhcvqp5xh/wish/419906851 In the first few chapters, and especially in the first and second, Ralph really just wanted everyone to have fun but also wanted to survive. In chapter 5, you see a big shift in his priorities. The idea of having fun is much, much less more important now and he even says ""We need an assembly. Not for fun. Not for laughing and falling off the log-" (79). I thought this shift was really interesting because it showed be how much they've all changed a lot from when they arrived.  ]]> 2019-12-04 20:06:15 UTC https://padlet.com/lpearl/cdnxhcvqp5xh/wish/419906851 https://padlet.com/lpearl/cdnxhcvqp5xh/wish/419906860 I think the beast represents their own evil. They are so out of control. I personally don't believe there is any creature out there. But the way they are describing it in their dreams; the fighting with the evil in the forest, I think it represents them. They are the evil in the forest, and the bit of civilization they have left in them is trying to show them that. It could also represent what their choices could lead to, which is fighting. ]]> 2019-12-04 20:06:16 UTC https://padlet.com/lpearl/cdnxhcvqp5xh/wish/419906860 https://padlet.com/lpearl/cdnxhcvqp5xh/wish/419906963 When Ralph finally brings up the beast during the assembly, his methods of dealing with the fear take a turn for the worse. While Jack initially tells the little ones that it's OK to be scared and that they shouldn't let the fear rule them over. Ralph on the other hand yells shut up directly in the face of a scared, little boy.]]> 2019-12-04 20:06:27 UTC https://padlet.com/lpearl/cdnxhcvqp5xh/wish/419906963 d25bethany4362 https://padlet.com/lpearl/cdnxhcvqp5xh/wish/419906987 I feel like there is a lot of foreshadowing going on. On page 84 Piggy says, "Unless we get frightened of people." There isn't much to be afraid of on this island. Humans are the dominant creatures on the island. The only creatures to be afraid of are themselves and I think they are starting to realize this.]]> 2019-12-04 20:06:29 UTC https://padlet.com/lpearl/cdnxhcvqp5xh/wish/419906987 d25allyson6422 https://padlet.com/lpearl/cdnxhcvqp5xh/wish/419907018 During the meeting Ralph and Jack both talk to the littluns. They both talk very differently to them. Ralph tries to be nice and helpful to them and talks in a way that is easy for them to understand. He tries to calm them and make them more comfortable. When Jack speaks to them he yells at them and dosent care how they feel. Jack wants them to know how he feels even of they are to young. I think that this proves that it was right to elect Ralph chief because he is more caring and wants everyone to feel safe. ]]> 2019-12-04 20:06:33 UTC https://padlet.com/lpearl/cdnxhcvqp5xh/wish/419907018 d25anthony8891 https://padlet.com/lpearl/cdnxhcvqp5xh/wish/419907020 I noticed how in the first chapter Ralph loved the island he even said it was a "good island", but now in chapter 5 we see that he's is getting tired of being on the island. He's tired of being a leader, and arguing, and trying to keep everyone working. I can tell that he is stressed out and the littluns telling all their stories isn't helping him either. Everyone is scared and he can't do anything about it maybe that's why he wants to quit being chief.]]> 2019-12-04 20:06:33 UTC https://padlet.com/lpearl/cdnxhcvqp5xh/wish/419907020 https://padlet.com/lpearl/cdnxhcvqp5xh/wish/419907050 "What I mean is, maybe it's only us," (89).  This was a lot, especially coming from a small boy's mouth. It makes a lot of sense though, they are becoming savages, animalistic in their nature the longer they are on the island. Jack is down on all fours hunting, the littluns are pooping everywhere, and they can't even hold a serious meeting. Simon realizing this sets him aside from the other boys. Unlike the others, he recognises the ways they are acting and he wants to be more civilized. Like Ralph, his main goals are civilization and rescue.]]> 2019-12-04 20:06:37 UTC https://padlet.com/lpearl/cdnxhcvqp5xh/wish/419907050 d25ellis0943 https://padlet.com/lpearl/cdnxhcvqp5xh/wish/419907084 "'If I blow the conch and they don't come back; then we've had it. We'll be like animals.'
'If you don't blow, we'll be animals soon anyway. I can't see what they're doing, but I can hear'" (92).
Piggy doesn't need to see what the boys are doing, he only needs to hear them to know the shift in behavior. The longer they're on the island, the more their inner savagery will come out. It's coming out more and more with each argument and each day. ]]> 2019-12-04 20:06:42 UTC https://padlet.com/lpearl/cdnxhcvqp5xh/wish/419907084 https://padlet.com/lpearl/cdnxhcvqp5xh/wish/419907117 "What would a beast eat?"
"Pig."
"We eat pig" (83). I find it really interesting that Piggy told the group this, especially because Jack would be angry about it. He is basically telling everyone that they could be the beasts on the island. I think that the two prominent sides/groups on the island (Ralph and Jack as leaders) will think at one point that the other is a beast. I also find it interesting that two people touched on the fact that they could be the beasts. Simon said in relation to if there was a beast or not, "What I mean is... maybe it's only us" (89). I think that because both Piggy and Simon have talked about this theory, Ralph's "group" of people will most likely adapt this theory and believe that the beast on the island is themselves.]]> 2019-12-04 20:06:45 UTC https://padlet.com/lpearl/cdnxhcvqp5xh/wish/419907117 d25ryan2119 https://padlet.com/lpearl/cdnxhcvqp5xh/wish/419907124 I am wondering why they call using the restroom is called "taken short". I just wonder the reason for that phrase and why it is seen as so humorous among the littluns. They are obviously still in grave danger of being stuck on the island for life, yet there is still much laughing and joking to be found.]]> 2019-12-04 20:06:46 UTC https://padlet.com/lpearl/cdnxhcvqp5xh/wish/419907124 https://padlet.com/lpearl/cdnxhcvqp5xh/wish/419907373 I think Ralph is losing his mind more and more throughout the book. He had lots of thoughts in this book that differed from what he thought at first on the island & I predict that further into the book he will get a little crazy. ]]> 2019-12-04 20:07:13 UTC https://padlet.com/lpearl/cdnxhcvqp5xh/wish/419907373 https://padlet.com/lpearl/cdnxhcvqp5xh/wish/419907491 I honestly think that Piggy and Simon are the only ones on Ralph's side. Everyone else is siding with Jack because he got the meat and he's telling them what they want to hear. Even the littluns are on Jack's side because they're scared of him.]]> 2019-12-04 20:07:23 UTC https://padlet.com/lpearl/cdnxhcvqp5xh/wish/419907491 d25michael7451 https://padlet.com/lpearl/cdnxhcvqp5xh/wish/419907881 In the beginning of the book when they first got to the island they were happy and ready to explore and survive and no ralph realizes the reality of things and he just wants to go home.]]> 2019-12-04 20:08:10 UTC https://padlet.com/lpearl/cdnxhcvqp5xh/wish/419907881 d25grace9095 https://padlet.com/lpearl/cdnxhcvqp5xh/wish/419908373 -Piggy talked to Ralph about how if Jack wanted to hurt someone, or make a point using violence, he wouldn't hurt Ralph because he is the chief. He would hurt Piggy because Piggy is the next thing. I think that later, there will be an argument and Jack will hurt Piggy.]]> 2019-12-04 20:08:55 UTC https://padlet.com/lpearl/cdnxhcvqp5xh/wish/419908373 d25ryan2119 https://padlet.com/lpearl/cdnxhcvqp5xh/wish/419908696 I notice how Ralph has begun to really use his appointed leadership to attempt to change the path of the group to have more order. He seemed timid at the start, but in this chapter we really see his leadership skills take route and he begins to dish out the proper way of living on the island.
 ]]> 2019-12-04 20:09:28 UTC https://padlet.com/lpearl/cdnxhcvqp5xh/wish/419908696 d25andrew6228 https://padlet.com/lpearl/cdnxhcvqp5xh/wish/419909049 I think as the book goes on Ralph will start to lose his mind because he already started to doubt that he should be chief even though he was voted for not Jack. I think that eventually he will give up being chief, let Jack be chief, and all the boys will be doomed.]]> 2019-12-04 20:10:04 UTC https://padlet.com/lpearl/cdnxhcvqp5xh/wish/419909049 d25matthew3805 https://padlet.com/lpearl/cdnxhcvqp5xh/wish/419909745 I think Jack will become crazy. He is already acting like an animal. He painted his face, and hunts on all fours. He was obsessed with getting meat. He promised he get meat, and got it so I think people will start to want his as their chief not Ralph. I think he will run away from the group and his most loyal supporters will follow him. In the end of the book he might go full psycho and hunt everyone down.]]> 2019-12-04 20:11:16 UTC https://padlet.com/lpearl/cdnxhcvqp5xh/wish/419909745 d25timothy4770 https://padlet.com/lpearl/cdnxhcvqp5xh/wish/419910121 I think that Jack is not going to listen to the rules that Ralph is making and Jack will lead other people into not listening to Ralph because Jack has power too. I think Jack might try to get people to not like Ralph and try to take Ralph's power and his spot at chief. If this happens, Ralph would probably throw hands with Jack and I think if they fought, Ralph would win but Jack would get everybody to start hating Ralph.]]> 2019-12-04 20:11:56 UTC https://padlet.com/lpearl/cdnxhcvqp5xh/wish/419910121 d25lucie2227 https://padlet.com/lpearl/cdnxhcvqp5xh/wish/419910164 "I wish my father was here... Oh, what's the use?" (94). I thought this quote was interesting because it definitely showed me that they've lost almost all hope for getting rescued. Even though they haven't given up on trying to get rescued, I think the thought of actually getting rescued is becoming less and less like a reality to most of the boys.]]> 2019-12-04 20:11:59 UTC https://padlet.com/lpearl/cdnxhcvqp5xh/wish/419910164 d25trevor6406 https://padlet.com/lpearl/cdnxhcvqp5xh/wish/419910390 "I know there isn't fear, either." "Unless we get frightened of people"(84). I think that this could have sparked Simon's idea of how there is no beast and that it's only them. This also shows how Piggy can see the transformation of Jack and the hunters from civilized children to savages.]]> 2019-12-04 20:12:21 UTC https://padlet.com/lpearl/cdnxhcvqp5xh/wish/419910390 d25bethany4362 https://padlet.com/lpearl/cdnxhcvqp5xh/wish/419910508 I was surprised at how friendly Piggy and Ralph were. In the beginning of the book, Ralph didn't want anything to do with Piggy. Now, he's realizing that Piggy and Simon are the only people who understand the importance of keeping civil. Everyone else wants to have fun, so they go with Jack. I don't think that they will get everyone else to become civil again. It's going to start getting a lot more chaotic.]]> 2019-12-04 20:12:34 UTC https://padlet.com/lpearl/cdnxhcvqp5xh/wish/419910508 d25allyson6422 https://padlet.com/lpearl/cdnxhcvqp5xh/wish/419910565 As the book has gone on jack has become more and more wild and less civilized. I think that he is going to go crazy and do something he shouldnt. Jack is starting to get violent towards Ralph and Piggy and he dosent really care about anyone but himself. I think that if Jack had become chief thing on the island would be even crazier then they are now, and there would be no systems of getting things done. ]]> 2019-12-04 20:12:39 UTC https://padlet.com/lpearl/cdnxhcvqp5xh/wish/419910565 d25michael7451 https://padlet.com/lpearl/cdnxhcvqp5xh/wish/419910804 Jack is turning into an animal, he is aggressive and crazy. He punched piggy in the face, he screamed at the littluns, and her loves blood the blood from animals that he kills. He is turning into an animal and i think it wont be long till he starts hurting the other boys more.]]> 2019-12-04 20:13:04 UTC https://padlet.com/lpearl/cdnxhcvqp5xh/wish/419910804 https://padlet.com/lpearl/cdnxhcvqp5xh/wish/419911065 I think that Ralph will lose control over the rest of the boys to Jack sooner or later. You can already see how his power is slipping when Jack starts talking without the conch and the openly challenges Ralph's power when he forsakes the rules. He also distinctly challenges Piggy's right to speak with conch in hand and harasses him when he tries to speak.]]> 2019-12-04 20:13:42 UTC https://padlet.com/lpearl/cdnxhcvqp5xh/wish/419911065 d25ellis0943 https://padlet.com/lpearl/cdnxhcvqp5xh/wish/419911068 Jack's savagery, bloodlust, and anger seems to be increasing each chapter. In Chapter 4, he gets into a fight with Piggy over the fire and Piggy's specs. In Chapter 5, he gets more aggressive, not just with Piggy but with everyone. He yells and curses at the littluns, chastising them. When he finally is able to kill a pig, he continues to want to kill. Not for food, but for the blood. He seems to obsess over killing. His savagery, starting from hunting on all fours to his camouflaged hunting face, is growing. The line between him being civilized and being animalistic is getting smaller and thinner. He has already harmed one of the boys, when he punched Piggy. I believe he won't be satisfied by killing any longer, he wants to hurt someone. He wants to hurt the boys. ]]> 2019-12-04 20:13:42 UTC https://padlet.com/lpearl/cdnxhcvqp5xh/wish/419911068 https://padlet.com/lpearl/cdnxhcvqp5xh/wish/419911516 Rules are so important to Ralph. He knows that they keep society in check. "The rules... You're breaking the rules... Because the rules are the only thing we've got!" (91) He feels that as soon as the rules are forgotten, everyone will become savages. It's already happening, right before his eyes, and he's trying to stop it with the rules.]]> 2019-12-04 20:14:31 UTC https://padlet.com/lpearl/cdnxhcvqp5xh/wish/419911516 d25grace9095 https://padlet.com/lpearl/cdnxhcvqp5xh/wish/419911635 I am surprised that there isn't a lot of violence. I would think that without supervision, that boys would start revolting against one another and there would be fights. I thought that people would take advantage of another and people would have enemies. ]]> 2019-12-04 20:14:42 UTC https://padlet.com/lpearl/cdnxhcvqp5xh/wish/419911635 https://padlet.com/lpearl/cdnxhcvqp5xh/wish/419911730 The beastie coming from the sea is so scary because the sea is the unknown. If the beast was in the sea the hunters couldn't exactly go kill it. The sea is unexplored, there are creatures lurking down there that they can't even imagine. But the sea is also their lifeblood, they use the sea for food, bathing, and cooling down in the hot sun. The sea is a mystery, an element of surprise that gives and takes and could strike at any moment. The boys wouldn't know the beastie was coming for them until it was too late.]]> 2019-12-04 20:14:53 UTC https://padlet.com/lpearl/cdnxhcvqp5xh/wish/419911730 https://padlet.com/lpearl/cdnxhcvqp5xh/wish/419911737 I think the reason everyone got even more scared when Percival said that the beast came from the water, was because before that, Jack reassured everyone by saying that there was nothing to be afraid of because he had been all over the island and he hadn't seen a beast. But Jack hasn't been in the water. Now there's a possibility that the beast is actually real, everyone is more scared. ]]> 2019-12-04 20:14:54 UTC https://padlet.com/lpearl/cdnxhcvqp5xh/wish/419911737 d25anthony8891 https://padlet.com/lpearl/cdnxhcvqp5xh/wish/419912087 I noticed that the only people that really do anything to try to get rescued is Ralph, Piggy, and Simon. Not even the people, who were supposed to keep the signal fire going, could resist the thrill of the hunt. This makes me theorize that with only 3 people that care about getting rescued it's impossible to do everything so they can get rescued. It takes at least 2 people to keep the fire going so there would only be one other person to do the rest.]]> 2019-12-04 20:15:35 UTC https://padlet.com/lpearl/cdnxhcvqp5xh/wish/419912087 https://padlet.com/lpearl/cdnxhcvqp5xh/wish/419912190 "The fire is the most important thing on the island. How can we ever be rescued except by luck, if we don't keep a fire going?"(80) This quote shows that Ralph's priority is still getting rescued and keeping the fire going is the only way that can happen. Maintaining it shows that the boys still care about being rescued and want to leave the island. ]]> 2019-12-04 20:15:48 UTC https://padlet.com/lpearl/cdnxhcvqp5xh/wish/419912190 https://padlet.com/lpearl/cdnxhcvqp5xh/wish/419912463 Although we see Piggy as the smartest and the brains of the group, Simon definitely shows his intelligence by saying that they(the boys) are the beasts. Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe he is right away shut down and ignored throughout the whole meeting. Piggy is very logical but I feel that Simon is more intelligent because he looks deeper than the surface. He is also a lot more mature because he isn't as afraid if the unknown unlike the others. In all, I just believe that Simon is a really great character and is a lot more intelligent than he seems.]]> 2019-12-04 20:16:28 UTC https://padlet.com/lpearl/cdnxhcvqp5xh/wish/419912463 https://padlet.com/lpearl/cdnxhcvqp5xh/wish/419914511 I feel bad for the littluns because they're treated so poorly. The biguns have lost all consideration to the fact that the littluns are at least half their age and quite frankly, their mental age and maturity. The littluns still rely heavily on parental support, and it's hard for them to receive that while stranded on an island with boys that have completely separate priorities. Jack mistreats the littluns and calls them crybabies, but the funny thing is that I don't think Jack would have been able to handle himself any better than them if he were their age and in their shoes.]]> 2019-12-04 20:20:30 UTC https://padlet.com/lpearl/cdnxhcvqp5xh/wish/419914511 d25andrew6228 https://padlet.com/lpearl/cdnxhcvqp5xh/wish/419916306 2019-12-04 20:23:35 UTC https://padlet.com/lpearl/cdnxhcvqp5xh/wish/419916306 d25hailey0202 https://padlet.com/lpearl/cdnxhcvqp5xh/wish/419919422 Piggy brings them together in more ways than coming up with the idea to blow the conch. By making fun of Piggy, the boys have a common target, so instead of fighting with each other, they fight with Piggy. I'm sure Jack and Ralph would fight a lot more if it wasn't for Piggy. They can get their anger out by attacking him, they taunt him instead of each other, bringing them all closer together.]]> 2019-12-04 20:28:59 UTC https://padlet.com/lpearl/cdnxhcvqp5xh/wish/419919422