https://padlet.com/polinmat/ccbaanjlgimz Athens vs. Sparta en-us 2016-10-07 14:19:06 UTC 2016-10-07 19:16:03 UTC hello@padlet.com polinmat https://padlet.com/polinmat/ccbaanjlgimz/wish/129227173 The Athenian democracy is the greatest abstract, social achievement of the ancient world. For a common man to have a say in the fate of his community was unmatched during this time period. ]]> 2016-10-07 18:53:09 UTC https://padlet.com/polinmat/ccbaanjlgimz/wish/129227173 polinmat https://padlet.com/polinmat/ccbaanjlgimz/wish/129227325 Our freedom and democracy led to a flourishing of science, philosophy, art and architecture. What did your style of government and society produce? Beatings of young boys for not being tough enough? ]]> 2016-10-07 18:53:41 UTC https://padlet.com/polinmat/ccbaanjlgimz/wish/129227325 https://padlet.com/polinmat/ccbaanjlgimz/wish/129227376 The Athenian democracy can hardly be called a democracy because of all the strict limits on who could participate. Democracy is based on the idea that all people should be able to have a say in their government, but in Athens, this only applied to men, so women, as well as slaves and former slaves were not represented at all.]]> 2016-10-07 18:53:53 UTC https://padlet.com/polinmat/ccbaanjlgimz/wish/129227376 https://padlet.com/polinmat/ccbaanjlgimz/wish/129228116 Spartan society produced strong, capable warriors who valued toughness and strength. They were able to build a strong successful military strong enough to beat anyone at the time.]]> 2016-10-07 18:56:47 UTC https://padlet.com/polinmat/ccbaanjlgimz/wish/129228116 polinmat https://padlet.com/polinmat/ccbaanjlgimz/wish/129228364 It's still better than an oligarchy or monarchy where the people have no say whatsoever in their leadership. ]]> 2016-10-07 18:57:49 UTC https://padlet.com/polinmat/ccbaanjlgimz/wish/129228364 https://padlet.com/polinmat/ccbaanjlgimz/wish/129228753 It's not true that the people had no say in their leadership, the men in Sparta over 30 were able to vote on their oligarchs and who they wanted to represent, and while this demographic is small and not representative of the whole society, the same could be said of the people who were allowed to vote in Athens. Also, direct democracies have a lot of room for flaws. Having regular people vote on laws is not always a good idea, because a lot of times people are stupid and do not really understand what is best for the society as a whole, so it is good to have a small group of competent individuals vote on issues rather than everyone who may or may not have any idea of what they are doing.]]> 2016-10-07 18:59:23 UTC https://padlet.com/polinmat/ccbaanjlgimz/wish/129228753 https://padlet.com/polinmat/ccbaanjlgimz/wish/129229758 I would also argue that Spartan society valued women more. They were not only seen as keepers of the house, but as mothers of warriors too. They were important. And while they still do not have anything close to equal opportunity they were still able to train to be physically and mentally strong and they were seen as important in society, or at least more than they were in Athens.]]> 2016-10-07 19:03:24 UTC https://padlet.com/polinmat/ccbaanjlgimz/wish/129229758 polinmat https://padlet.com/polinmat/ccbaanjlgimz/wish/129230192 Men over 30 get to vote...on what? Which war to fight in next? Your city-state may be secure, but for what purpose? I mean, what are you even living for without ANY luxuries in life. Also, how many men made it to 30 anyway after their 20-plus years of military service probably meant most were dead by then. ]]> 2016-10-07 19:05:05 UTC https://padlet.com/polinmat/ccbaanjlgimz/wish/129230192 polinmat https://padlet.com/polinmat/ccbaanjlgimz/wish/129230616 It was your jealousy of our success and way of life that started the Greek civil war that allowed us all to be conquered by the Macedonians. If you had just stayed to yourself instead of inciting other Greek city-states we could have survived as a whole.]]> 2016-10-07 19:06:51 UTC https://padlet.com/polinmat/ccbaanjlgimz/wish/129230616 polinmat https://padlet.com/polinmat/ccbaanjlgimz/wish/129231095 Right, beat anyone? Then why was it Athens that led the defeat of Persia while your 300 "warriors" were crushed. Your militaristic society was so strong, but didn't bother to send more than a token force to do its part in facing the Persian onslaught. ]]> 2016-10-07 19:08:37 UTC https://padlet.com/polinmat/ccbaanjlgimz/wish/129231095 polinmat https://padlet.com/polinmat/ccbaanjlgimz/wish/129231562 They were valued to breed and make their sons tough. Wow. Nice life. ]]> 2016-10-07 19:10:41 UTC https://padlet.com/polinmat/ccbaanjlgimz/wish/129231562