https://padlet.com/hcrombie/bic8b0fr99up Use quotes and page numbers to support your answers AND references from the chapters of Genesis (eg, 2:14) en-us 2019-05-23 22:58:25 UTC 2019-05-26 23:20:01 UTC hello@padlet.com https://padlet.com/hcrombie/bic8b0fr99up/wish/363145630 Adam and Eve were not ashamed of their nakedness in the Garden because they were unaware that being naked was something to be ashamed of. They did not know nor were restricted to the views of society, which at the time was the knowledge of good & evil, that could only be gained by eating the fruit from the forbidden tree. Their ignorance towards any shame that could be caused by being seen naked makes them more innocent and pure than they were after they has eaten the fruit offered by the serpent.]]> 2019-05-24 02:22:05 UTC https://padlet.com/hcrombie/bic8b0fr99up/wish/363145630 https://padlet.com/hcrombie/bic8b0fr99up/wish/363494618 The significance of the fact that there is no mention of meat in the Garden narrative is that no animals had been killed to feed the first humans before, so by extension there has been no mention of death or killing of any sort before Adam and Eve commit the first Sin. It is hard to find a reference to Genesis for the lack of mentioning meat.]]> 2019-05-25 23:17:36 UTC https://padlet.com/hcrombie/bic8b0fr99up/wish/363494618 https://padlet.com/hcrombie/bic8b0fr99up/wish/363495475 Even before the first kill, the hunters and Jack are fixated on killing more than anything else, and the first kill simply supercharges that feeling by giving them something concrete and easier to do now. After abandoning the fire to kill the first pig, the hunters return (chanting a barbaric chant of "Kill the pig. Cut her throat, Spill her blood" (page 72)) to briefly apologise (page 76) and reenact the murder with manic glee, chanting and dancing around. Jack then becomes very set on having everyone eat the meat, even becoming furious when Simon gives his to Piggy ("Then Jack leapt to his feet, slashed off a great hunk of meat, and flung it down at Simon’s feet. “Eat! Damn you!” He glared at Simon." (page 78)). Jack is riding his high throughout the aftermath and assembly that Ralph holds and is problematic and challenging of Ralph's leadership. At the very end of the chapter, Jack and the hunters spilt off from the main group, taking the fire with them. I haven't read too far in the book, but I do know that Jack and his hunters become increasing savage and violent, eventually torturing people and setting the island on fire on purpose to smoke Ralph out of hiding. The first kill and the joy the hunters derive from it is the catalyst for the devolution of the hunters into primitive degenerates and Jack into a ruthless, totalitarian leader with an iron fist and a penchant for violence.]]> 2019-05-25 23:32:23 UTC https://padlet.com/hcrombie/bic8b0fr99up/wish/363495475 https://padlet.com/hcrombie/bic8b0fr99up/wish/363498525 The significance of nakedness in the Garden narrative is the link between it and ignorance. When the first humans are naked, they haven't eaten from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil and are therefore ignorant of any meaning that their nakedness could have. When they eat from the tree, however, they gain this knowledge and therefore are no longer ignorant and so God makes them no longer naked.]]> 2019-05-26 00:31:10 UTC https://padlet.com/hcrombie/bic8b0fr99up/wish/363498525 https://padlet.com/hcrombie/bic8b0fr99up/wish/363507942 It’s significant that there’s no mention of meat as Adam and Eve had access to all the food they needed, without harming and killing animals. This may be because God would not want them to have to hunt and kill creatures, and experience the blood lust that Jack and his fellow hunters felt, with their first kill of the pig. They were turned into savage animals, only caring about the hunt and the kill, just for some meat. This lack of meat/murder of animals may relate back to Adam and Eve before they sin by eating from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, but once they eat from it and commit their sin, they must also kill other creatures to gain sustenance.]]> 2019-05-26 03:35:31 UTC https://padlet.com/hcrombie/bic8b0fr99up/wish/363507942 https://padlet.com/hcrombie/bic8b0fr99up/wish/363508113 In the narrative, nakedness signifies the knowledge of themselves which stems from Adam and Eve eating from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. They’re ashamed as they have the knowledge of good and evil, knowing they are self-aware of the things around them and they gain the morals that make them ashamed of being naked. Before, they did not have this knowledge or their morals that define whether they’d be ashamed of being naked. They had bliss from ignorance; not knowing they were naked or knowing to be ashamed from being naked, until they ate from the tree.

]]> 2019-05-26 03:38:34 UTC https://padlet.com/hcrombie/bic8b0fr99up/wish/363508113 https://padlet.com/hcrombie/bic8b0fr99up/wish/363508239 Adam and Eve are not ashamed from their nakedness as they do not have the knowledge that they are naked, or the morals that dictate that they would be ashamed of their nakedness. As soon as they ate from the tree, they gained this knowledge and lost their ignorance, leading them to be ashamed of themselves being naked.]]> 2019-05-26 03:41:34 UTC https://padlet.com/hcrombie/bic8b0fr99up/wish/363508239 https://padlet.com/hcrombie/bic8b0fr99up/wish/363508347 After their first kill, Jack and the other hunters become overwhelmed with blood lust. Their first kill gives them the knowledge that they are capable of murder towards other animals and they begin to exploit this knowledge. They become crazed with the reward of meat and blood, from the murder of the pig. From this high of blood lust, they start to loose touch with their morals and their humanity, descending into savages. As they have gained the knowledge that they are capable of the murder of animals on the island, they begin to utilise that. This utilisation however, drives their blood lust and eventual descent into insanity.

]]> 2019-05-26 03:44:02 UTC https://padlet.com/hcrombie/bic8b0fr99up/wish/363508347 https://padlet.com/hcrombie/bic8b0fr99up/wish/363508412 Step 1 - The 3 boys fail to kill the pig the first time they encounter it. Jack swears a vow to kill it the next time he can. This starts the devolution of Jack and his hunters as he already has his mind set on the murder of this pig. Step 2 - Jack and his hunters finally kill the pig. This gives them the knowledge that they can kill animals on the island. This puts more murder into their mind, driving them more to insanity. Their drive for murder can be linked back to nakedness, as it is the equivalent of them showing their true nature as humans left to their own devices, without a society giving them morals or boundaries to follow. We haven't read far enough into the book to find more steps to their devolution.

]]> 2019-05-26 03:45:47 UTC https://padlet.com/hcrombie/bic8b0fr99up/wish/363508412 https://padlet.com/hcrombie/bic8b0fr99up/wish/363528412 The significance that in Genesis, there was no talk of meat is that before Adam and Eve first sinned (betrayed God)  there was no death. Animals could roam free and without Satan tempting Adam and Eve there was no way there could be death (as that came from Satan). ]]> 2019-05-26 09:40:49 UTC https://padlet.com/hcrombie/bic8b0fr99up/wish/363528412 https://padlet.com/hcrombie/bic8b0fr99up/wish/363528864 Adam and Eve were naked in the Garden of Eden, they were made in the image of God and God made them free. When taking fruit from the tree of knowledge, the sin and knowledge gave them the power to see both good and evil. They became more self- aware (being ashamed of their nakedness). Before eating from the tree, Adam and Eve found euphoria in ignorance. ]]> 2019-05-26 09:47:25 UTC https://padlet.com/hcrombie/bic8b0fr99up/wish/363528864 https://padlet.com/hcrombie/bic8b0fr99up/wish/363529274 Adam and Eve can't be ashamed of their bodies when knowing that they were made the perfect way and the way God wanted them to be like. Although they have the ability to change themselves, they haven't seen any other people look or dress a different way. Society hasn't displayed to Adam and Eve that people are ashamed to be naked; Adam and Eve didn't know any different. ]]> 2019-05-26 09:53:10 UTC https://padlet.com/hcrombie/bic8b0fr99up/wish/363529274 https://padlet.com/hcrombie/bic8b0fr99up/wish/363530166 The significance of nakedness in the Garden narrative is that of nakedness representing purity, innocence and goodness. Before Adam and Eve sin, they do not have any objections to being naked, as they do not have any reason to believe that it is wrong. However, once the snake convinces Eve, and thereby Adam, to eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, they become aware of the fact that they are naked and try to hide themselves. This means that they are trying to hide, or disassociate with that idea of purity, innocence and goodness, as they believe that it is shameful.]]> 2019-05-26 10:05:37 UTC https://padlet.com/hcrombie/bic8b0fr99up/wish/363530166 https://padlet.com/hcrombie/bic8b0fr99up/wish/363531181 There is no mention of meat in the narrative because before sin there was no killing meaning there was no bloodshed or 'meat'. ]]> 2019-05-26 10:18:07 UTC https://padlet.com/hcrombie/bic8b0fr99up/wish/363531181 https://padlet.com/hcrombie/bic8b0fr99up/wish/363531654 When Adam was placed in the Garden, the Lord wanted to give him a helper. Originally, He created the animals for this job, however Adam did not find one that was suitable for him. Then God created Eve (from Adam) for this purpose. God then told them that they "may eat freely of every tree of the garden; but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat from it you shall die".  The first key part of this excerpt is that God specifically says eat from the trees, and does not extend this to beasts in the Garden. The second is that God says the consequences will be death, however we know that this is not the case. When Adam and Eve sin, and essentially break God's law, the use of the term 'meat' is integrated into the bible. Oxford Dictionary defines meat as "The flesh of an animal, typically a mammal or bird, as food", so essentially, the act of killing an animal for food. Perhaps when God says "you shall die", he did not mean 'you' as in Adam and Eve, but rather using synecdoche to represent beast as an umbrella term for the animals and the beasts that Adam, Eve and the rest of humanity will become. ]]> 2019-05-26 10:25:58 UTC https://padlet.com/hcrombie/bic8b0fr99up/wish/363531654 https://padlet.com/hcrombie/bic8b0fr99up/wish/363584391 The fact that Adam and Eve did not eat meat whilst in the Garden is because murder was a sin. At the time God included animals into this, so he provided them with enough fruit to survive.God may not have wanted Adam and Eve to fall into the crazed state that the hunters found themselves in after their first kill.]]> 2019-05-26 20:06:40 UTC https://padlet.com/hcrombie/bic8b0fr99up/wish/363584391 https://padlet.com/hcrombie/bic8b0fr99up/wish/363584652 The nakedness is symbolic of them not having the knowledge that being naked is shameful as God did not provide them with this knowledge. However when they eat from the tree of good and evil, they begin to feel ashamed about being naked. This is there new knowledge allowing them to be self aware.]]> 2019-05-26 20:08:52 UTC https://padlet.com/hcrombie/bic8b0fr99up/wish/363584652 https://padlet.com/hcrombie/bic8b0fr99up/wish/363584998 Adam and Eve were not ashamed of being naked as they were unaware that this was something to be ashamed about. It’s only when they eat from the tree of good and evil, that Adam and Eve become ashamed of being naked. The knowledge that they gained allowed them to be self aware but also by taking away their ignorance they became more judgemental.]]> 2019-05-26 20:11:33 UTC https://padlet.com/hcrombie/bic8b0fr99up/wish/363584998 https://padlet.com/hcrombie/bic8b0fr99up/wish/363585249 After the first kill of the pig, Jack and his hunters loose their innocence and begin to crave blood. They now know that they are capable of killing another animal and to that they dance a crazed song, symbolising their fall into a blood crazing insanity. This shows up again in Jack within his normal interactions with others as well as in his hunting. This blood lust is what does drive the kids into insanity.

]]> 2019-05-26 20:14:06 UTC https://padlet.com/hcrombie/bic8b0fr99up/wish/363585249 https://padlet.com/hcrombie/bic8b0fr99up/wish/363600939 Adam and Eve aren't ashamed of their nakedness, as they do not know that there is anything to be ashamed of. However, once they sin, and eat the fruit from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, "their eyes are opened" to a new perspective, in which being naked is something to be ashamed of.  ]]> 2019-05-26 22:45:30 UTC https://padlet.com/hcrombie/bic8b0fr99up/wish/363600939 https://padlet.com/hcrombie/bic8b0fr99up/wish/363600942 At the beginning of the novel the boys are civilised and are hunting for the reward of food to stay alive. However as they have their first kill they mentally changed to start killing for the joy and purpose of having power to kill something.]]> 2019-05-26 22:45:32 UTC https://padlet.com/hcrombie/bic8b0fr99up/wish/363600942 https://padlet.com/hcrombie/bic8b0fr99up/wish/363602053 In Genesis, Adam and Eve are naked because they have no worries or troubles. They are innocent and know no evil. When they are cast out, they immediately feel ashamed and cover themselves up. This shows that the desire to be clothed is a the very root of human nature. In LoTF, the first thing Ralph does when he gets on the island is take off all his clothes. This is symbolic of paradise. The way Golding set up this story originally was to be similar to other island stories like choral island, where the boys live on a paradise island. This is not the case. The next time that nakedness is featured is when Jack and the hunters are naked while hunting and doing tribal dances. This time the nakedness is symbolic of how far they have come from humanity that they have abandoned the basic human instinct to be clothed.

]]> 2019-05-26 22:59:07 UTC https://padlet.com/hcrombie/bic8b0fr99up/wish/363602053 https://padlet.com/hcrombie/bic8b0fr99up/wish/363602063 2019-05-26 22:59:12 UTC https://padlet.com/hcrombie/bic8b0fr99up/wish/363602063 https://padlet.com/hcrombie/bic8b0fr99up/wish/363602064 One piece of evidence that supports the idea that LOTF is a biblical allegory is Simon. He is the one that realises that the beast does not exist and that it in actuality, the beast is inside of each of them. He discovers that it is their bloodlust and brutality that drives this otherwise fictitious beast. There are also many instances in which are allusion to certain events in the bible. For example, "Simon found for [the littluns] the fruit they could not reach, pulled off the choicest from up in the foliage, passed them down to the endless, outstretched hands." This seems to be referencing the feeding of the 5000.]]> 2019-05-26 22:59:13 UTC https://padlet.com/hcrombie/bic8b0fr99up/wish/363602064 https://padlet.com/hcrombie/bic8b0fr99up/wish/363602527 2019-05-26 23:04:37 UTC https://padlet.com/hcrombie/bic8b0fr99up/wish/363602527 https://padlet.com/hcrombie/bic8b0fr99up/wish/363602529 Adam and Eve aren’t ashamed of their nakedness because firstly they have not taken the apple and secondly they probably aren’t affected by bad weather in the garden as it is supposedly a perfect world. They have no shame in being naked, as they do not possess the knowledge to be ashamed, and they are innocent and without sin. ]]> 2019-05-26 23:04:38 UTC https://padlet.com/hcrombie/bic8b0fr99up/wish/363602529 https://padlet.com/hcrombie/bic8b0fr99up/wish/363602584 In the lord of the flies, the starting point of their barbaric behaviour was the way they treated the pig they murdered. This is mean't to repersent the fall of their society began from the "beast".]]> 2019-05-26 23:05:17 UTC https://padlet.com/hcrombie/bic8b0fr99up/wish/363602584 https://padlet.com/hcrombie/bic8b0fr99up/wish/363602755 Within the bible, the humans begin as ignorant and unknowing of the world around them, so they fail to see the wronging with naked clothing. However, once they are given knowledge they proceed to cover themselves up because they now understand. It represents the switch from peace to the sin reversing this into a cruel world.]]> 2019-05-26 23:07:04 UTC https://padlet.com/hcrombie/bic8b0fr99up/wish/363602755 https://padlet.com/hcrombie/bic8b0fr99up/wish/363602882 One of the very first things that the boys do is take off their clothes, which may seem odd, but also symbolizes the fact that they don’t care. They are alone, on a supposedly paradise island. This symbolizes innocence, like in Genesis how when Adam and Eve are innocent they aren’t wearing clothes, but when they become more human and take the apple they feel humiliated and immediately feel the need to wear clothes. In Lord of the Flies it eventually goes the opposite way, and their nakedness represents how they are becoming more like animals, or as the various analogies suggest, their true savage human nature might be coming out.]]> 2019-05-26 23:08:10 UTC https://padlet.com/hcrombie/bic8b0fr99up/wish/363602882 https://padlet.com/hcrombie/bic8b0fr99up/wish/363603066 Before the apple was taken they did not understand the wronging's of nudity, so they were secure with not wearing clothes. They were in their purest form, with nothing to hide. However, once they ate the apple they were no longer pure]]> 2019-05-26 23:10:00 UTC https://padlet.com/hcrombie/bic8b0fr99up/wish/363603066 https://padlet.com/hcrombie/bic8b0fr99up/wish/363603129 Adam and Eve have no need of hunting for food, firstly because they are innocent and don't kill, secondly because God supplies them with all of the food that they would need in the garden. It is supposedly a perfect world, so why would they need to hunt for food?]]> 2019-05-26 23:10:35 UTC https://padlet.com/hcrombie/bic8b0fr99up/wish/363603129 https://padlet.com/hcrombie/bic8b0fr99up/wish/363603379 Once they kill the pig, they begin excerising their barbaric behaviours. Chanting "kill the pig, cut it's throat". They also describe it as "the beast" and use this fear to justify their tribal attitude. This tribal attitude towards the piggy grows stronger overtime]]> 2019-05-26 23:13:01 UTC https://padlet.com/hcrombie/bic8b0fr99up/wish/363603379 https://padlet.com/hcrombie/bic8b0fr99up/wish/363603663 2019-05-26 23:15:43 UTC https://padlet.com/hcrombie/bic8b0fr99up/wish/363603663 https://padlet.com/hcrombie/bic8b0fr99up/wish/363603687 Connections that were first thought of as positive, which lead into negatives, exist within both Genesis and LOTF. ]]> 2019-05-26 23:16:02 UTC https://padlet.com/hcrombie/bic8b0fr99up/wish/363603687 https://padlet.com/hcrombie/bic8b0fr99up/wish/363603782 2019-05-26 23:17:16 UTC https://padlet.com/hcrombie/bic8b0fr99up/wish/363603782 https://padlet.com/hcrombie/bic8b0fr99up/wish/363603788 The significance of nakedness in the Garden narrative is that nakedness represents the innocence and purity of the first humans in the beginning before they ate the forbidden fruit. They did not know that there was any meaning or connotations to being naked. When they eat the fruit, they gain the knowledge of good and evil, and loose their innocence.]]> 2019-05-26 23:17:17 UTC https://padlet.com/hcrombie/bic8b0fr99up/wish/363603788