https://padlet.com/egriffin1/b49a8mjtz47o en-us 2016-10-21 12:28:50 UTC 2016-10-21 12:59:18 UTC hello@padlet.com https://padlet.com/egriffin1/b49a8mjtz47o/wish/132318497 2016-10-21 12:32:23 UTC https://padlet.com/egriffin1/b49a8mjtz47o/wish/132318497 https://padlet.com/egriffin1/b49a8mjtz47o/wish/132318640 Where I see evidence of Holden's declining mental state is when he wanted to talk to Caulfield over drinks so that he can have a drink. After Caulfield left Holden had a couple more drinks and decided to call Sally to meet up with him but when Sally was asleep he was determined to see her. He just kept calling out "Good night Sally baby" (167)]]> 2016-10-21 12:33:00 UTC https://padlet.com/egriffin1/b49a8mjtz47o/wish/132318640 egriffin1 https://padlet.com/egriffin1/b49a8mjtz47o/wish/132318750 Where do you see evidence of Holden's declining mental state? Consider physical ailments as well as his actions.]]> 2016-10-21 12:33:22 UTC https://padlet.com/egriffin1/b49a8mjtz47o/wish/132318750 https://padlet.com/egriffin1/b49a8mjtz47o/wish/132318873 I see a decline in Holdens mental state when he goes to the Wicker bar  to meet Carl Luce. He claims that this place is very sophisticated and full of phonies. Based on his character this doesnt seem like the type of place that Holden would enjoy. "Its one of those places where its supposed to be sophisticated and all, and the phonies are coming in the window". Page 157 This is a decline for him because now instead of just drinking his problems away he is drinking in a place that goes against all of his morals.  

]]> 2016-10-21 12:33:51 UTC https://padlet.com/egriffin1/b49a8mjtz47o/wish/132318873 https://padlet.com/egriffin1/b49a8mjtz47o/wish/132318877 I see the declining mental state of Holden when he starts thinking about suicide multiple times since he left Pencey. He also is depending more and more on "drugs" like alcohol and tobacco, as we see in the end of the chapter 20 as he left the Wicker Bar completely drunk and lost.

]]> 2016-10-21 12:33:52 UTC https://padlet.com/egriffin1/b49a8mjtz47o/wish/132318877 https://padlet.com/egriffin1/b49a8mjtz47o/wish/132318975 '"Have just one more drink," I told him. Please I'm lonesome as hell. No kidding."' (165) Holden is so lonely and depressed that he has turned to drinking and being with Carl Luce. They had a conversation when the whole time Holden is trying to "please" Luce in his own way because he wants to keep talking to him because he is so lonely and Luce just keeps telling him to be quiet or to change subjects. Holden's mental state is declining because he ends up relying on drinking in order to feel better. He feels happier when he is not in reality. He wants to tear himself away from the world and when he gets drunk he is able to do that. ]]> 2016-10-21 12:34:20 UTC https://padlet.com/egriffin1/b49a8mjtz47o/wish/132318975 https://padlet.com/egriffin1/b49a8mjtz47o/wish/132318987 Holden was going out with Sally and told her that he loved her. And he meant it. Later he asked her to run away with him to Massachusetts and Vermont. This shows Holden's declining mental state because no reasonable person would do these things. Page 139 -149]]> 2016-10-21 12:34:23 UTC https://padlet.com/egriffin1/b49a8mjtz47o/wish/132318987 https://padlet.com/egriffin1/b49a8mjtz47o/wish/132319165 Holden's declining mental state can be seen when he asks Sally to run away with him. After she rejects his idea he says that he wouldn't even want to go with her but that he meant it when he asked. He then states "I swear to God I'm a madman." page 149. He fantasizes about running away as an escape from reality but he wanted to bring someone so he wouldn't be alone.]]> 2016-10-21 12:35:05 UTC https://padlet.com/egriffin1/b49a8mjtz47o/wish/132319165 https://padlet.com/egriffin1/b49a8mjtz47o/wish/132319308 Some evidence of Holden's declining mental state is when he attempts to call multiple people, but never goes through with it, always finding an excuse why he shouldn't call them.
He wants to call them, but if he tells them about the situation he is in, they would be disappointed, and with his current mental state, hearing such disappointment would break him]]> 2016-10-21 12:35:39 UTC https://padlet.com/egriffin1/b49a8mjtz47o/wish/132319308 https://padlet.com/egriffin1/b49a8mjtz47o/wish/132319523 You can see a decline in Holden s mental state when sally shows up ten minutes late, he feels like marrying he even though he doesn't particularly like her. This is his first real attempt and connect with a girl, and his emotions fly out of control and he seems to sense he's loosing his grip. Also when he proposes the idea to go travel around with Sally, Sally reacts realistically to his fantasy of escape from society and adulthood . Sally is playing life by the rules , which drives Holden into rage because as we know from his past experiences that Holden does not follow the rules he makes us his own and he also believes that everyone else should play by those rules. ]]> 2016-10-21 12:36:40 UTC https://padlet.com/egriffin1/b49a8mjtz47o/wish/132319523 https://padlet.com/egriffin1/b49a8mjtz47o/wish/132319541 Holden seems to be starting to become dependent on alcohol and its becoming more severe as he desires to become drunk to escape. He always calls friends attempting to meet them up but once he gets to the place, he regrets it and analyzes them for the things which he does not like. He is recognizing how unhappy he is but this is not benefitting him and he is proving to be unhappy by things which he once saw as enlightening.

]]> 2016-10-21 12:36:44 UTC https://padlet.com/egriffin1/b49a8mjtz47o/wish/132319541 https://padlet.com/egriffin1/b49a8mjtz47o/wish/132319740 I see his declining metal state with all the times he drinks he seems to need the alcohol now more than ever, and he seems to use it as a way to get away, when he is depressed which basically means drink whenever he can.]]> 2016-10-21 12:37:30 UTC https://padlet.com/egriffin1/b49a8mjtz47o/wish/132319740 https://padlet.com/egriffin1/b49a8mjtz47o/wish/132319910 2016-10-21 12:38:16 UTC https://padlet.com/egriffin1/b49a8mjtz47o/wish/132319910 https://padlet.com/egriffin1/b49a8mjtz47o/wish/132320269 '' l keep forgetting to put people's names in''.
''he was about three years older than l was, and l didn't like him too much'' ]]> 2016-10-21 12:39:37 UTC https://padlet.com/egriffin1/b49a8mjtz47o/wish/132320269 https://padlet.com/egriffin1/b49a8mjtz47o/wish/132320272 Holdens declining mental state is progressing in the upcoming chapters like how he was asking Luce all these questions and he tried to stop because he didn't want him to leave, so he would pause for a while, then ask more questions because he felt lonely(158).]]> 2016-10-21 12:39:38 UTC https://padlet.com/egriffin1/b49a8mjtz47o/wish/132320272 https://padlet.com/egriffin1/b49a8mjtz47o/wish/132320739 I see evidence of Holden's declining mental state with how he describes anything that happens to him as depressing or sad. This shows that he is getting sadder as the story goes on.]]> 2016-10-21 12:41:24 UTC https://padlet.com/egriffin1/b49a8mjtz47o/wish/132320739 https://padlet.com/egriffin1/b49a8mjtz47o/wish/132321061 I see evidence of Holden's declining mental state when he is with Sally and he says he loves her and wants to marry her at the moment yet on page 141 he complained that the only time she talked was to rave about the lunts and this seems to me that a reasonable person at the age of 17 wouldn't say he loves someone and wants to marry them and also that he complains about all of her flaws.]]> 2016-10-21 12:42:45 UTC https://padlet.com/egriffin1/b49a8mjtz47o/wish/132321061 https://padlet.com/egriffin1/b49a8mjtz47o/wish/132322321 Evidence of Holden's declining mental state is shown when Holden declares his love for Sally, and proposes that they run away, get married and get that he'll get a job. Holden also goes to a show, and invites an old school acquaintance even though he dislikes them both. He also relies on getting drunk to feel better.]]> 2016-10-21 12:47:45 UTC https://padlet.com/egriffin1/b49a8mjtz47o/wish/132322321 https://padlet.com/egriffin1/b49a8mjtz47o/wish/132322646 Evidence of Holden's declining mental state can be seen in chapter 16, when Holden is quickly saddened over the fact that Sally and her family never go out and eat special when they have the free time. (127) Holden simply just overthinks on a subject and it quickly depresses him. This shows his mental state is declining because he quickly goes from one emotion to another like a flip of a switch.]]> 2016-10-21 12:48:58 UTC https://padlet.com/egriffin1/b49a8mjtz47o/wish/132322646 https://padlet.com/egriffin1/b49a8mjtz47o/wish/132322909 2016-10-21 12:50:06 UTC https://padlet.com/egriffin1/b49a8mjtz47o/wish/132322909 https://padlet.com/egriffin1/b49a8mjtz47o/wish/132322980 Pg. 162 "I felt like marrying her the second i saw her... yet all of a sudden..."
- Holden is beginning to become out of tough with his emotions. and is forming a false sense of reality and what is realistic.

Pg. 172 "... Why the hell not... Stop screaming at me please... we'd starve to death."
- Holden is becoming over dramatic and is over evaluating situations: could be a form of anxiety or bipolar, which are both forms of mental illness. He is dwelling on things that haven't happened yet/the unknown. He is yelling and he is beginning to lose control over his emotions as well as his reactions to situations.

Pg. 172 " i was beginning to get depressed as hell again" 
-ever chapter he repeats saying that he is depressed more and more. Also partially ironic because he is saying how depressed he is so often he might as well say that he is chronically depressed. But he will seem fine, the then all of a sudden become "extremely" depressed.]]> 2016-10-21 12:50:20 UTC https://padlet.com/egriffin1/b49a8mjtz47o/wish/132322980 https://padlet.com/egriffin1/b49a8mjtz47o/wish/132323208 2016-10-21 12:51:19 UTC https://padlet.com/egriffin1/b49a8mjtz47o/wish/132323208