Period A: What really caused the Hindenburg disaster? by Reeti K. https://padlet.com/reetik_GH/9kz727xozfh78zb6 Source List: Part 1 of the project: Conduct group research on sources and post it on Padlet. 1). Click on "+" to add your source/s (not more than three). 2). In your own group posting, write your own statements of agreement/critique on the source. Include your key takeaways from the source and why your group believes it is reliable/unreliable. Make sure to post atleast ONE source you agree with. Ideally, your post will compel your classmates to read the source you selected and result in a discussion. Possible sentence starters for your discussion statement include: This source claims that… I believe that this source is/not reliable because… This source made me think/consider/wonder… Part 2 of the project: Read and respond to at least three of your classmates’ discussion. en-us 2023-08-31 16:13:25 UTC 2024-09-11 15:34:08 UTC hello@padlet.com Group members: reetik_GH https://padlet.com/reetik_GH/9kz727xozfh78zb6/wish/2680038619 Maeve

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]]> 2023-08-31 16:39:41 UTC https://padlet.com/reetik_GH/9kz727xozfh78zb6/wish/2680057174 Hindenburg disaster, group 4 https://padlet.com/reetik_GH/9kz727xozfh78zb6/wish/3100483873 Claim:

The Hindenburg disaster was most likely caused by a small electrostatic shock that lit the large quantity of hydrogen contained within the airship's large gas cells. This caused the nazi airship to crash, killing 36 of the 96 people on board. Most of the evidence for the crash was burned in the fire.

Evidence:

The most possible source of the eventual burning and crash of the Hindenburg was from a spark. There probably was a build-up of static electricity caused by friction between the exterior material of the ship and the moving outside air. Hydrogen combined with air is very flammable and the amount of energy needed to set off such a large amount of hydrogen as was in the Hindenburg is tiny. 


Reasoning:

Therefore, the spark from the blimp and air contact combined with the entire blimp full of hydrogen is likely the origin of the disaster. The static discharge from a static electricity charge reacting with the flowing gas (hydrogen) causes it to ignite and explode outwards bringing the airship down. Although these are all hypotheses and no one really knows what happened to the Hindenburg, this is the most logical conclusion.


Follows, M. (2023, June 6). What ignited the Hindenburg?. RSC Education. https://edu.rsc.org/feature/what-ignited-the-hindenburg/2000137.article 

]]> 2024-09-03 16:46:15 UTC https://padlet.com/reetik_GH/9kz727xozfh78zb6/wish/3100483873 Group 2 Claim https://padlet.com/reetik_GH/9kz727xozfh78zb6/wish/3100485249 Static electricity from atmospheric conditions (stormy weather) caused a spark to ignite the cover of the airship. After this, Hydrogen (being released to help the ship descend) fueled the fire.


Evidence: https://www.caltech.edu/about/news/historys-mysteries-caltech-professor-helps-solve-hindenburg-disaster

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQ7ALNkyz4o

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smithsonian-institution/80th-anniversary-hindenburg-disaster-mysteries-remain-180963107/


Explanation:

This source explains that an electrical current built up on the cover of the ship due to rainy conditions. After the ship was grounded, more electricity built up as the ropes were conductive. The cover then caught fire as it contained components found in rocket fuel. This ignition was then fueled by hydrogen being released as the ship was descending.



]]> 2024-09-03 16:46:53 UTC https://padlet.com/reetik_GH/9kz727xozfh78zb6/wish/3100485249 Group 1 claim https://padlet.com/reetik_GH/9kz727xozfh78zb6/wish/3100489579 claim:

The Hindenburg disaster was caused

because some isolated cover panels didn't drain their electricity, causing a spark from the charged cover panels to the frame. That ignited the outside fabric that was made up of iron oxide and powdered aluminum (rocket fluid).


evidence/resource:

https://www.airships.net/hindenburg/disaster/#:~:text=Almost%2080%20years%20of%20research,spark)%20that%20ignited%20leaking%20hydrogen.


https://www.caltech.edu/about/news/historys-mysteries-caltech-professor-helps-solve-hindenburg-disaster


explanation (2-5 sentences):

"The spark was most likely caused by a difference in electric potential between the airship and the surrounding air"

-airships.net


“The basic idea is that as the Hindenburg moved in the stormy atmosphere, its skin built up a static charge.”

- Caltech university


In conclusion after the ship's initial ignition, the fire started to spread to the tail end of the ship. The heat caused the hydrogen in cell 1 and 2 to heat and blow up which only fueled the fire more. The flames began to engulf the ship and soon after, the ship fell.






]]> 2024-09-03 16:49:46 UTC https://padlet.com/reetik_GH/9kz727xozfh78zb6/wish/3100489579 CER https://padlet.com/reetik_GH/9kz727xozfh78zb6/wish/3100494658 Claim: We believe that the Hindenburg disaster was caused by a static electric charge due to atmospheric conditions.


Evidence:

https://www.caltech.edu/about/news/historys-mysteries-caltech-professor-helps-solve-hindenburg-disaster

Explanation: As the Hindenburg moved through the stormy atmosphere, its outer layer built up a static charge. After the mooring ropes were dropped, electrons moved up to the ship's frame. This gave the ship a positively charged outer layer and a negatively charged frame. This charge then created many different sparks across the ship, including where the hydrogen leak was.




]]> 2024-09-03 16:53:13 UTC https://padlet.com/reetik_GH/9kz727xozfh78zb6/wish/3100494658 Group 1 response https://padlet.com/reetik_GH/9kz727xozfh78zb6/wish/3104803562 We agree that the spark was caused by the charge of electricity of the atmosphere and that the hydrogen fueled the fire. We also used the same source(caltech)!

]]> 2024-09-05 18:37:43 UTC https://padlet.com/reetik_GH/9kz727xozfh78zb6/wish/3104803562 Group 1 response https://padlet.com/reetik_GH/9kz727xozfh78zb6/wish/3104806157 We respectfully disagree with your claim. We don't think that the initial spark lit the hydrogen immediately, we believe that after the spark the flammable covering caught on fire and the heat from the covering's fire made the hydrogen cell burst. And then the hydrogen fueled the fire.

]]> 2024-09-05 18:39:22 UTC https://padlet.com/reetik_GH/9kz727xozfh78zb6/wish/3104806157 Group 1 response https://padlet.com/reetik_GH/9kz727xozfh78zb6/wish/3104809080 We somewhat agree that the storm played a significant part in the explosion. however you FAILED to mention the importance of the panels and the flammable materials that made up the outer cover of the aircraft. We used the same source as you and agree with the material in the source.

]]> 2024-09-05 18:41:23 UTC https://padlet.com/reetik_GH/9kz727xozfh78zb6/wish/3104809080 Group 3 Comments https://padlet.com/reetik_GH/9kz727xozfh78zb6/wish/3104809312 We disagree with this claim. We disagree with this because in your claim you say that the fire was caused by sparks igniting the outer fabric of the zeppelin. However according to the Caltech article that you used for evidence "One thing is clear: the disaster had nothing to do with the zeppelin’s fabric covering being 'highly flammable' for one simple reason: it wasn’t.". Therefore the outer layer of the zeppelin could not have been the causing factor of the fire.

]]> 2024-09-05 18:41:33 UTC https://padlet.com/reetik_GH/9kz727xozfh78zb6/wish/3104809312 https://padlet.com/reetik_GH/9kz727xozfh78zb6/wish/3104810578 i agree with this reasoning because i like that you did lots of evidence from the source and how the ignition and how it was spread, I also like that you used a very reliable source and use it well to explain why this supports your claim.

]]> 2024-09-05 18:42:33 UTC https://padlet.com/reetik_GH/9kz727xozfh78zb6/wish/3104810578 Group 2 https://padlet.com/reetik_GH/9kz727xozfh78zb6/wish/3104812526 We agree to some point. We agree that the panels on the outside cover couldn't drain its electricity which caused a spark. We think that in addition to the outside cover igniting the hydrogen inside the tank, the pilots had been releasing the hydrogen to decent.

]]> 2024-09-05 18:43:58 UTC https://padlet.com/reetik_GH/9kz727xozfh78zb6/wish/3104812526 Group 3 Comment https://padlet.com/reetik_GH/9kz727xozfh78zb6/wish/3104812583 We agree with this comment because it matches the evidence and claim that we used in ours.

]]> 2024-09-05 18:44:01 UTC https://padlet.com/reetik_GH/9kz727xozfh78zb6/wish/3104812583 Group 2 Response https://padlet.com/reetik_GH/9kz727xozfh78zb6/wish/3104814415 We agree that electricity built up on the cover of the airship due to stormy conditions and that the mooring ropes further contributed to the buildup. This then caused a spark. However, we don't think there was a Hydrogen leak. Rather, we think the Hydrogen which was purposefully being released to help the airship descend was ingited by the spark. The cover of the airship was also flammable which was not mentioned in your explanation. We used the same source as you (Caltech).

]]> 2024-09-05 18:45:29 UTC https://padlet.com/reetik_GH/9kz727xozfh78zb6/wish/3104814415 Group 4 response aatienza11 https://padlet.com/reetik_GH/9kz727xozfh78zb6/wish/3104815008 We agree with this explanation, we agree that the origin of the Hindenburg was likely an electrostatic shock building up on the airship that caused the hydrogen filled gas cells to ignite and start a chain reaction throughout the entire airship. (Only disagreeing point we have is that we believe the fire spread from the back of the ship towards the front, and not the other way around)

]]> 2024-09-05 18:45:54 UTC https://padlet.com/reetik_GH/9kz727xozfh78zb6/wish/3104815008 CEE https://padlet.com/reetik_GH/9kz727xozfh78zb6/wish/3104816123 CER


Claim: We believe that the Hindenburg disaster was caused by a static electric charge due to atmospheric conditions that ignited hydrogen within the zeppelin.


Evidence:

https://www.caltech.edu/about/news/historys-mysteries-caltech-professor-helps-solve-hindenburg-disaster

Explanation: As the Hindenburg moved through the stormy atmosphere, its outer layer built up a static charge. After the mooring ropes were dropped, electrons moved up to the ship's frame. This gave the ship a positively charged outer layer and a negatively charged frame. This charge then created many different sparks across the ship, including where the hydrogen leak was.


]]> 2024-09-05 18:46:47 UTC https://padlet.com/reetik_GH/9kz727xozfh78zb6/wish/3104816123 Group 2 lpilz3_1 https://padlet.com/reetik_GH/9kz727xozfh78zb6/wish/3104818609 We disagree because you guys said that the shock lit the hydrogen inside the gas cell, while most sources say either the fabric caught fire or hydrogen being released from the ship caught fire. We think that the fabric caught fire and was then fueled by the hydrogen being released and still inside the fuel cells. The hydrogen inside the fuel cells was not the origin of the fire.

]]> 2024-09-05 18:48:47 UTC https://padlet.com/reetik_GH/9kz727xozfh78zb6/wish/3104818609 Group 4 response https://padlet.com/reetik_GH/9kz727xozfh78zb6/wish/3104821784 We agree with your claim that an electrostatic shock caused by the atmosphere was the reason for the disaster to occur. The thing that we feel separately about is you did not mention anything hydrogen. Our group feels as if the spark lit the hydrogen which is what led to the fire spreading throughout the zeppelin and taking it down.

]]> 2024-09-05 18:51:30 UTC https://padlet.com/reetik_GH/9kz727xozfh78zb6/wish/3104821784 Group 4 response https://padlet.com/reetik_GH/9kz727xozfh78zb6/wish/3104822161 We agree with your claim, and appreciate that you include the stormy weather conditions and show how that sparked the hydrogen. One thing you could do to improve is specifically cite the evidence and write about interpretation of the information. So far you just have links to the websites that you used as research.

]]> 2024-09-05 18:51:48 UTC https://padlet.com/reetik_GH/9kz727xozfh78zb6/wish/3104822161 Group 4 response https://padlet.com/reetik_GH/9kz727xozfh78zb6/wish/3104822500 We agree with this explanation, we agree that the origin of the Hindenburg was likely an electrostatic shock building up on the airship that caused the hydrogen filled gas cells to ignite and start a chain reaction throughout the entire airship.

]]> 2024-09-05 18:52:06 UTC https://padlet.com/reetik_GH/9kz727xozfh78zb6/wish/3104822500