Period 5-Orientalism and Frankenstein by Kristie Leyba https://padlet.com/kristie_leyba/8l0lz2a5czis Collection of scholarly thoughts en-us 2018-11-14 18:12:01 UTC 2018-11-23 20:56:29 UTC hello@padlet.com Cooper Smith https://padlet.com/kristie_leyba/8l0lz2a5czis/wish/305021275 In the novel, the monster states that Agatha was "...unlike what I have since found cottagers and farm-house servants to be." In its perspective, "the Oriental" is important because his fascination with these people he perceived to be different even from other humans, allowed him the opportunity to learn about human culture and language.]]> 2018-11-15 20:32:22 UTC https://padlet.com/kristie_leyba/8l0lz2a5czis/wish/305021275 Carlie Patterson https://padlet.com/kristie_leyba/8l0lz2a5czis/wish/305021278 "...she held out her hand to Felix, who kissed it rapturously, his sweet Arabian." Narrated by the monster. Through this quote one can determine harmfulness of how eager Felix is to win over this exotic beauty. The reason for Safie catching his eye was do to Felix's thought process which led to him "othering" her do to her difference in race. This is harmful because all Felix sees her as is a prize to go up on the wall. The benefits in this circumstance are non existent do to no won really getting anything out of this process. ]]> 2018-11-15 20:32:23 UTC https://padlet.com/kristie_leyba/8l0lz2a5czis/wish/305021278 Ariana Fischer https://padlet.com/kristie_leyba/8l0lz2a5czis/wish/305021281 Regarding Safie's otherness, Pinyerd states that Safie subjects to cultural stereotypes in that she is eagar to give into her own objectification, willing to encourage Felix's infatuation with her so that she may remain in a country that allows more freedoms to women. In Shelley’s novel, Safie is described as "his sweet Arabian" by Felix which exemplifies her othering in this way. This impacts her characterization by creating this aura of possessiveness over Safie due to her exotic features that even Agatha and De Lacey feel. ]]> 2018-11-15 20:32:23 UTC https://padlet.com/kristie_leyba/8l0lz2a5czis/wish/305021281 Lesly Salvador https://padlet.com/kristie_leyba/8l0lz2a5czis/wish/305021351  Through the encounter of the creature and of Frankenstein, we can see how Shelly "others" the creature by using negative connotations that antagonizes the creature, similar to Pinyard's beliefs. So that simply the sight of the Creature leads to Frankenstein's description that "a mist came over my eyes, and I felt a faintness seize me ".
 
]]> 2018-11-15 20:32:32 UTC https://padlet.com/kristie_leyba/8l0lz2a5czis/wish/305021351 Alicia Monjaras https://padlet.com/kristie_leyba/8l0lz2a5czis/wish/305021412 Pinyerd states that Frankenstein's creation "possesses human features, he is still something other than human" regarding the harm of othering.   The description Frnkenstein uses diferenciates the creature from human beings. His skin color and eyes were used against him to paint an image as a monster. This type of othering suggests that the creature is "dark and undesirable" . - not finished]]> 2018-11-15 20:32:42 UTC https://padlet.com/kristie_leyba/8l0lz2a5czis/wish/305021412 Crystal https://padlet.com/kristie_leyba/8l0lz2a5czis/wish/305021509  
Pinyerd states that the monster is 
" as part of his own race" regarding the Creature’s otherness being that is he different or one of a kind. In Shelley’s novel, the Creature is described as "horrid" and called a "🤬" by Victor Frankenstein, which exemplifies his othering in the way that the monster is not like anything in the human world due to the comparison to the 🤬.This impacts his characterization by a biased perspective that can't be overlooked when other perspectives are given and it puts the monster into his own stereotype of not looking like mankind is to be labeled as an "other".

 
]]> 2018-11-15 20:32:53 UTC https://padlet.com/kristie_leyba/8l0lz2a5czis/wish/305021509 Lindsey McNeely https://padlet.com/kristie_leyba/8l0lz2a5czis/wish/305021658  
Pinyerd states that before Shelley let the monster share his story, Victor had already told the reader everything there is to know about the monster. This "establishes a Bias against the monster" and emphasizes his otherness. In Shelley’s novel, when the Creature is seen by the cottagers, "Agatha fainted, and Safie rushed out of the cottage." This exemplifies his othering because the women literally couldn't stand the sight of him. This impacts his characterization by emphasizing how terrifying his appearance is and differentiating him from all the other characters.  


 
]]> 2018-11-15 20:33:16 UTC https://padlet.com/kristie_leyba/8l0lz2a5czis/wish/305021658 Megan Matsubara https://padlet.com/kristie_leyba/8l0lz2a5czis/wish/305021760  Pinyerd states that Shelley demonstrates Orientalism regarding Safie’s otherness. In Shelley’s novel, Safie is described as exotic by referring to her as "the Arabian" and her father "The Turk" whose name is never actually revealed. Her appearance is described as having raven black hair in "curious braids" and dark eyes, much different than the other fair women in the novel which exemplifies her othering. Having Safie unable to communicate in French placed her into the role of an object, as she is the "treasure" that Felix is given when saving her father.  Though she encourages this "othering" because it secures her future and freedom.]]> 2018-11-15 20:33:29 UTC https://padlet.com/kristie_leyba/8l0lz2a5czis/wish/305021760 Kayla Clark https://padlet.com/kristie_leyba/8l0lz2a5czis/wish/305021802  
Pinyerd states that "the monster, who himself suffers from "othering", immediately distinguishes Safie as different from the other cottagers." regarding the fascination with the Oriental. In the monster's perspective, the Oriental is important because the creature does not realize that Safie is another human being, but that she is different from everyone else.
This impacts the story by once again establishing the "other" narrative within the novel.

 
]]> 2018-11-15 20:33:37 UTC https://padlet.com/kristie_leyba/8l0lz2a5czis/wish/305021802 Kayla Paguio https://padlet.com/kristie_leyba/8l0lz2a5czis/wish/305021902
Pinyerd states that "Frankestein and all other beings simply value virtue of appearance, and is therefore making a generalization of an entire race", regarding the fascination with the Oriental. In Pinyerd's perspective, the Oriental is important because it states how looking at someone can put them into a place of your mind where you've seen similar people. They don't get a chance to explain who they are beyond their outside, these people you come across are separated into categories based on your first impression of them .This impacts the story in a way that stereotyping has been around longer than we think. The creature is hideous and isn't accepted by anyone because of his looks. They don't want to give him a chance because his well being has been decided by all of those around him. Frankenstein knows he created the creature, and instead of helping him figure out aspects of his life, he chooses to watch him suffer.

 
]]> 2018-11-15 20:33:54 UTC https://padlet.com/kristie_leyba/8l0lz2a5czis/wish/305021902 Zakia https://padlet.com/kristie_leyba/8l0lz2a5czis/wish/305021918  
Pinyerd states that the Creature is "othered" by his own creator because he's described entirely from Victor's perspective. As a result, we are left with a negative perspective of the creature as something other than human. In Shelley’s novel, the Creature is described as ) by Victor Frankenstein, the protagonist, which exemplifies his othering in this/these way/s. This impacts his characterization by making it justifiable for other to ostracize him
]]> 2018-11-15 20:33:56 UTC https://padlet.com/kristie_leyba/8l0lz2a5czis/wish/305021918 Jesse Leyva 6v6q https://padlet.com/kristie_leyba/8l0lz2a5czis/wish/305021933 Pinyerd states that "the first ten chapters of Frankenstein are told through the perspective of the creator" regarding the fascination with the oriental. In V. Frankenstein's perspective, the Oriental is important because he paints a vivid picture the his creation is not something to be proud of; that his creation is not a being of fascination but a being of pure failure, and tries to force us to take his side against the creature. This impacts the story in the way that we keep reading the story believing that the monster cannot be empathized with, but when the perspective changes to that of the monster, our own perspective changes to the empathy that Frankenstein did not want us to have. ]]> 2018-11-15 20:33:59 UTC https://padlet.com/kristie_leyba/8l0lz2a5czis/wish/305021933 Daria Goss https://padlet.com/kristie_leyba/8l0lz2a5czis/wish/305021977 Pinyerd states that, "Nothing in human shape could have destroyed that fair child. He was the murderer," regarding the harm of othering. The Creature is harmed because Frankenstein automatically blames the Creature for the death of William without knowing anything. The Creature is automatically blamed for death of William because it is different than humans and is a "monster." This demonstrates that othering is harmful because people that are seen as inferior are many times blamed for things they may not even done. The Creature benefits from this othering due to the fact that it makes the reader ask who the real monster really is because Frankenstein accused the Creature of killing William without knowing anything. ]]> 2018-11-15 20:34:06 UTC https://padlet.com/kristie_leyba/8l0lz2a5czis/wish/305021977 Brayam Echeverria https://padlet.com/kristie_leyba/8l0lz2a5czis/wish/305022389  Pinyerd states that regarding Safie’s otherness. In Shelley’s novel, Safie is described as… by… which exemplifies her othering in this/these way/s. This impacts her characterization by… ]]> 2018-11-15 20:34:28 UTC https://padlet.com/kristie_leyba/8l0lz2a5czis/wish/305022389 Marilyn Aranda https://padlet.com/kristie_leyba/8l0lz2a5czis/wish/305022403  
Pinyerd states that Safie is being othered because she is being called "the Arabian" even by the creature. In Shelley’s novel, Safie is described as inspiring to the creature which is a positive outlook on orientation because Safie does not know how to communicate with the other cottage people yet still desires and accomplishes learning, which exemplifies her othering. She is what motivates the creature to have hope and even though the creature saw her as an other because she talked funny and different she ended up having a positive impact on him. This impacts her characterization by viewing her with a stereotype that no goodwill come from a foreign girl. 

 
]]> 2018-11-15 20:34:30 UTC https://padlet.com/kristie_leyba/8l0lz2a5czis/wish/305022403 Joshua Hergenroeder https://padlet.com/kristie_leyba/8l0lz2a5czis/wish/305022490 Pinyerd states that the Creature's features were unique regarding the Creature’s otherness. In Shelley’s novel, the Creature is described as "his stature ... seemed to exceed that of man" and able to reach "superhuman speed ... [bounding] over the crevices in the ice, among which I had walked with caution" by his creator, Victor Frankenstein,  which exemplifies his othering in further exemplifying the Creature as a twisted sort of superhuman. This impacts his characterization by showing the power within the Creature's massive form and showing the horror felt when stumbling upon him unexpectedly.]]> 2018-11-15 20:34:44 UTC https://padlet.com/kristie_leyba/8l0lz2a5czis/wish/305022490 Noelle Yang https://padlet.com/kristie_leyba/8l0lz2a5czis/wish/305022641 Regarding the fascination with the Oriental, Pinyeard states that, "The idea of the "other" is one that has intrigued man since the dawn of time." Taking on from Walton's perspective, who may even be considered as an outcast himself on the ship with sailors, the stranger fascinates him. The entire story is standing on the foundation of Walton's particular interest within the stranger, who proceeds to explain his story from the very beginning.]]> 2018-11-15 20:35:08 UTC https://padlet.com/kristie_leyba/8l0lz2a5czis/wish/305022641 Rayleen Montero https://padlet.com/kristie_leyba/8l0lz2a5czis/wish/305023201  
Pinyerd states that Safies father "the Turk" was the reason for the ruin of De Lacey. Safies ehtnic background is what seperates her apart from the rest. In Shelley’s novel, Safie is described as this beautiful turkish ""prize"" that Felix is rewarded with. Safie who had tears in her eyes when the veil revealed by… which exemplifies her othering in this/these way/s. This impacts her characterization by… 

 
]]> 2018-11-15 20:36:33 UTC https://padlet.com/kristie_leyba/8l0lz2a5czis/wish/305023201 Kacey Pitcher https://padlet.com/kristie_leyba/8l0lz2a5czis/wish/305023207  Pinyerd states that Safie is greatly objectified by both Felix and the Creature and is an example of Orientalism through her desire to integrate into the Western world. In Shelley’s novel, Safie is described as "a countenance of angelic beauty and expression" by the Creature and continually as "my Arabian " by Felix which exemplifies her othering by distinguishing her from her Western counterparts. This impacts her characterization by making her simply an object in the Creature's story as well as Felix's life. Safie is not given any dialogue, which leaves her to be interpreted through the men in the story.]]> 2018-11-15 20:36:34 UTC https://padlet.com/kristie_leyba/8l0lz2a5czis/wish/305023207 Daniel Rodriguez Salinas https://padlet.com/kristie_leyba/8l0lz2a5czis/wish/305024010 Pinyerd states that the characters use backstory as a source regarding Safie’s otherness. In Shelley’s novel, Safie is described as being a prize for Felix's work by objectifying her qualities and features which exemplifies her othering by merely referring to her as ''the Arabian'' for much of Chapter 13. This impacts her characterization by making her stand seperate from the rest of the characters, which implies that she behaves differently or has different morals from everyone else. ]]> 2018-11-15 20:38:43 UTC https://padlet.com/kristie_leyba/8l0lz2a5czis/wish/305024010 Jennifer Nune https://padlet.com/kristie_leyba/8l0lz2a5czis/wish/305024149 Pinyerd's claim that Safie is being othered is qualified in the book when Safie's characteristics are in a sense being exploited. The way in which she is described as having "Curiously braided hair" and animated eyes, it was these characteristics that prompted Felix's infatuation with "his sweet Arabian." In the phrases that follow Felix is said to constantly claim her as "his Arabian". The differentiation between Safie and any other, is that Safie was in other words like the odd one out because of her extreme beauty and the infatuation that Felix felt towards her. This affects Safie's characterization, because it gives the idea that Safie is being othered due to the way in which they saw Safie. 

]]> 2018-11-15 20:39:10 UTC https://padlet.com/kristie_leyba/8l0lz2a5czis/wish/305024149 Destinee Brandon https://padlet.com/kristie_leyba/8l0lz2a5czis/wish/305024382 Pinyerd states that "The first ten chapters of Frankenstein are told through the perspective of the creator. This establishes a bias against the monster as the reader can only judge as Frankenstein himself has judged." In Victor's perspective, he automatically thinks the monster is horrible based on his appearance only. The Oriental is important because Victor doesn't realize the qualities of the monster, he simply judges him based off of his looks. This impacts the story because we all have this bad image of the monster before we actually get to know him and his personality.]]> 2018-11-15 20:39:45 UTC https://padlet.com/kristie_leyba/8l0lz2a5czis/wish/305024382 Juancarlos Puerto https://padlet.com/kristie_leyba/8l0lz2a5czis/wish/305026109  In chapter 15 of Frankenstein, the Creature ventures out at night. This leads him to encounter more books that allow him to learn about civilization. The books he encounters are by western authors and as the Creature reads them, he begins to see Satan as someone who is relatable. Just like the Creature, Satan has been othered by God and his angels which in the case of the Creature, he has been othered by Victor and the people he encounters. This gives a deeper understanding as to why Victor specifically calls out the Creature as a “🤬” in chapter 8 when they meet.]]> 2018-11-15 20:44:20 UTC https://padlet.com/kristie_leyba/8l0lz2a5czis/wish/305026109 Rowan Bolton https://padlet.com/kristie_leyba/8l0lz2a5czis/wish/305027091 Pinyerd states that Safie is constantly referred to as "the Arabian", ingraining Safie’s otherness into the story. In Shelley’s novel, Safie is described as wearing a black veil by the monster when Safie first arrives, which exemplifies her othering by portraying her appearance, specifically the way she dresses as different from the family. This impacts her characterization by creating an aura of mystery around her.]]> 2018-11-15 20:47:00 UTC https://padlet.com/kristie_leyba/8l0lz2a5czis/wish/305027091 The Monster's quote that states "Felix... called her, as well as I could distinguish, his sweet Arabian" demonstrates the harm of othering people, specifically Safie in this case. Safie is objectified by Felix and is seen as prize due to her "exotic" nature. I believe no one benefits from othering because in this situation, Safie isn't receiving genuine affection and once Felix does claim his "trophy"(safie) , he will be unsatisfied with her. https://padlet.com/kristie_leyba/8l0lz2a5czis/wish/305027315 2018-11-15 20:47:37 UTC https://padlet.com/kristie_leyba/8l0lz2a5czis/wish/305027315 Dani Munoz m3zs https://padlet.com/kristie_leyba/8l0lz2a5czis/wish/305027638  Pinyerd states that Frankenstein was "able to consider the monster as part of its own race" regarding the Creature’s otherness. In Shelley’s novel, the Creature is described as having "yellow skin",, "watery eyes", and C'shriveled complexion" accompanied with black lips, by Victor's overview of his creation, which exemplifies his othering in the sense that the creature had different physical qualities than a European that was not synthetically created would. .This impacts his characterization by marginalizing the creature and making him an outcast of the normal and familiar members of society, making the creature resentful of his misplacement in the world. The creature knows well that he would never be assimilated or accepted. ]]> 2018-11-15 20:48:23 UTC https://padlet.com/kristie_leyba/8l0lz2a5czis/wish/305027638 Justine Sedano https://padlet.com/kristie_leyba/8l0lz2a5czis/wish/305028433 2018-11-15 20:50:24 UTC https://padlet.com/kristie_leyba/8l0lz2a5czis/wish/305028433 Pachia Vang https://padlet.com/kristie_leyba/8l0lz2a5czis/wish/305048675 " I had admired the perfect forms of my cottagers—their grace, beauty, and delicate complexions; but how was I terrified when I viewed myself in a transparent pool! " Pinyerd states that bias paints a negative image about people before they even know in regards to the harm of othering. The othering of others puts a subject into a category which can negatively affect their interactions with others and harm the subject. However, this quote shows that othering not only harm others but also themselves. As the Monster observed the cottagers, he "longed to discover [himself] to the cottagers." Yet, at this moment, he realizes that he was different, even more so than Safie-who was othered among the cottagers-that he couldn't show himself to them. This brings emotional harm to himself as he become "fully convinced that [he] was in reality the monster that [he was]" and he was " filled with the bitterest sensations of despondence and mortification." He somewhat understood why his creator detested him, which in truth was also Victor's own form of othering the monster. Othering benefits the person doing the action because it usually gives them a sense of superiority and justifies their maltreatment of others as exhibited throughout history. However, these deranged benefits bring about greater tragedies that can impact both the otherer and the othered, which signifies that no one truly benefit from othering.]]> 2018-11-15 21:53:18 UTC https://padlet.com/kristie_leyba/8l0lz2a5czis/wish/305048675 https://padlet.com/kristie_leyba/8l0lz2a5czis/wish/305292821 Pinyerd states that… regarding Safie’s otherness. In Shelley’s novel, Safie is described as… by… which exemplifies her othering in this/these way/s. This impacts her characterization by…]]> 2018-11-16 15:20:59 UTC https://padlet.com/kristie_leyba/8l0lz2a5czis/wish/305292821 Justine Sedano https://padlet.com/kristie_leyba/8l0lz2a5czis/wish/305297781 Pinyerd states that within this novel, Safie is highly orientalised as another ‘other.’ In Shelley’s novel, Safie is described as only “the Arabian” for several pages by until actually introducing her name and after is clear to establish the difference between her and the other occupants which exemplifies her othering in this these ways. This impacts her characterization by only giving us the character details that the Creature felt were most important which were mostly about her appearance and relationship with Felix. The Creature himself even ‘othered’ her despite being an ‘other’ himself which shows some of the more human traits within him.]]> 2018-11-16 15:30:15 UTC https://padlet.com/kristie_leyba/8l0lz2a5czis/wish/305297781 Carlie Patterson https://padlet.com/kristie_leyba/8l0lz2a5czis/wish/305398378 I learned that orientalism is in every day life and affects us weither we realize it or not. Orientalism broken down is just truly stereotypes.]]> 2018-11-16 18:35:56 UTC https://padlet.com/kristie_leyba/8l0lz2a5czis/wish/305398378 https://padlet.com/kristie_leyba/8l0lz2a5czis/wish/305400173 I knew about orientalism and some of its effects, but I didn’t know that it was called that. ]]> 2018-11-16 18:39:16 UTC https://padlet.com/kristie_leyba/8l0lz2a5czis/wish/305400173 Justine Sedano https://padlet.com/kristie_leyba/8l0lz2a5czis/wish/305401381 I knew about orientalism and some of its effects, but I didn’t know that it was called that. A question that I still have about this article was is the orientalism within Frankenstein on purpose or was it just how Mary Shelley thought when she wrote it? ]]> 2018-11-16 18:41:31 UTC https://padlet.com/kristie_leyba/8l0lz2a5czis/wish/305401381 Trinity Williams https://padlet.com/kristie_leyba/8l0lz2a5czis/wish/307332078 Pinyerd states that,“ told through the perspective of the creator. This establishes a bias against the monster as the reader can only judge as Frankenstein himself has judged,” regarding the harm of othering. The Creature is harmed because the creature molds these views by his creator as the way he should be viewed by others and himself, for example, because everyone was telling the creature he wasn’t going to experience love because of the way he looks, he began to believe it. This is why the Creature asked for a female version of himself because he believed that no one, human, would love him. This demonstrates that othering is harmful because once beliefs are set and stone, it’s extremely difficult to alter and change them because it’s becomes the belief of the majority. The norms benefit from this othering because it’s so set and stone that people aren’t going to the question it. 

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