https://padlet.com/kesavansivagi/laxg7 LAX G7 en-us 2016-11-04 14:21:17 UTC 2016-11-07 14:11:33 UTC hello@padlet.com https://padlet-assets.s3.amazonaws.com/icons/Dartstarget.png https://padlet.com/kesavansivagi/laxg7/wish/135391570 2016-11-04 14:28:19 UTC https://padlet.com/kesavansivagi/laxg7/wish/135391570 https://padlet.com/kesavansivagi/laxg7/wish/135403008 Hye :)]]> 2016-11-04 14:55:41 UTC https://padlet.com/kesavansivagi/laxg7/wish/135403008 https://padlet.com/kesavansivagi/laxg7/wish/135403094 180006]]> 2016-11-04 14:55:55 UTC https://padlet.com/kesavansivagi/laxg7/wish/135403094 https://padlet.com/kesavansivagi/laxg7/wish/135403455 soooooo. Who actually did some research on the case?? XD

]]> 2016-11-04 14:56:48 UTC https://padlet.com/kesavansivagi/laxg7/wish/135403455 https://padlet.com/kesavansivagi/laxg7/wish/135403755 The question is very vague. They only stated that Rosmah needs to discard all her meat.]]> 2016-11-04 14:57:25 UTC https://padlet.com/kesavansivagi/laxg7/wish/135403755 https://padlet.com/kesavansivagi/laxg7/wish/135404717 Talking about aggression and other neurological signs, I'm thinking BSE]]> 2016-11-04 14:59:53 UTC https://padlet.com/kesavansivagi/laxg7/wish/135404717 https://padlet.com/kesavansivagi/laxg7/wish/135405066 I looked up Rabies in Cattle, it said that in dairy cattle, rabies causes abrupt drop in milk production, ]]> 2016-11-04 15:00:42 UTC https://padlet.com/kesavansivagi/laxg7/wish/135405066 https://padlet.com/kesavansivagi/laxg7/wish/135405605 Zarith, that sounds about right. Does BSE also lead to lowered milk production?]]> 2016-11-04 15:02:08 UTC https://padlet.com/kesavansivagi/laxg7/wish/135405605 https://padlet.com/kesavansivagi/laxg7/wish/135406066 Based on my reading, it does, Phoebe.]]> 2016-11-04 15:03:31 UTC https://padlet.com/kesavansivagi/laxg7/wish/135406066 https://padlet.com/kesavansivagi/laxg7/wish/135406470 I'm thinking it could be BSE too. Since BSE causes aggression, neurological dysfunctions and even drop in milk production, which is what stated exactly by the Dr to Puan Rosmah.]]> 2016-11-04 15:04:34 UTC https://padlet.com/kesavansivagi/laxg7/wish/135406470 https://padlet.com/kesavansivagi/laxg7/wish/135406498 So do we assume its Rabies or BSE ? 
Or should we explore both possibilities? 

But if it was rabies, would they still ask her to throw out the meat ? 
BSE is starting to sound like a better diagnosis


]]> 2016-11-04 15:04:40 UTC https://padlet.com/kesavansivagi/laxg7/wish/135406498 https://padlet.com/kesavansivagi/laxg7/wish/135407530 Delna, how does rabies in cattle spread? If it's the same as rabies in dogs, it should be through contact with saliva right?]]> 2016-11-04 15:06:57 UTC https://padlet.com/kesavansivagi/laxg7/wish/135407530 https://padlet.com/kesavansivagi/laxg7/wish/135409121 Yes phoebe, Same way through saliva. 
It says due to the curious nature of the cows, they would go to inspect an animal that could be rabid and get infected in the process.]]> 2016-11-04 15:10:40 UTC https://padlet.com/kesavansivagi/laxg7/wish/135409121 https://padlet.com/kesavansivagi/laxg7/wish/135409424 In that case, I don't think it would be relevant to discard the meat]]> 2016-11-04 15:11:28 UTC https://padlet.com/kesavansivagi/laxg7/wish/135409424 https://padlet.com/kesavansivagi/laxg7/wish/135409927 Based on my readings, pasteurized milk and properly cooked meat from infected animals poses no harm to humans.]]> 2016-11-04 15:12:43 UTC https://padlet.com/kesavansivagi/laxg7/wish/135409927 https://padlet.com/kesavansivagi/laxg7/wish/135410539 What do the rest of you think ? ]]> 2016-11-04 15:14:06 UTC https://padlet.com/kesavansivagi/laxg7/wish/135410539 https://padlet.com/kesavansivagi/laxg7/wish/135410648 Yup Mary, if the causative agent is virus it might die in higher temperature.
So, for this case I think it associated with BSE. 
BSE cause by prion that able to survive in high temperature.]]> 2016-11-04 15:14:21 UTC https://padlet.com/kesavansivagi/laxg7/wish/135410648 kesavansivagi https://padlet.com/kesavansivagi/laxg7/wish/135411758 guys do we really discussing now because not everyone is here]]> 2016-11-04 15:17:02 UTC https://padlet.com/kesavansivagi/laxg7/wish/135411758 https://padlet.com/kesavansivagi/laxg7/wish/135411799 I agree with Nadiah! This could be more of a case of BSE rather than rabies. BSE prions are more heat tolerant as compared to virus. Also, In cattle, I think BSE is more common than rabies infection.]]> 2016-11-04 15:17:09 UTC https://padlet.com/kesavansivagi/laxg7/wish/135411799 https://padlet.com/kesavansivagi/laxg7/wish/135412083 Prions would survive even after cooking, true, so I think its BSE in that case. Agreed

]]> 2016-11-04 15:17:46 UTC https://padlet.com/kesavansivagi/laxg7/wish/135412083 https://padlet.com/kesavansivagi/laxg7/wish/135414283 Yes, I agree with Nadiah because if the aetiological agent of this disease is virus or bacteria, it would just be destroyed by the heat from the cooking. ]]> 2016-11-04 15:22:38 UTC https://padlet.com/kesavansivagi/laxg7/wish/135414283 kesavansivagi https://padlet.com/kesavansivagi/laxg7/wish/135415398 Yes i also agree with that because BSE (bovine spongiform encephalopathy) is a progressive neurological disorder of cattle that results from infection by an unusual transmissible agent called a prion]]> 2016-11-04 15:25:09 UTC https://padlet.com/kesavansivagi/laxg7/wish/135415398 https://padlet.com/kesavansivagi/laxg7/wish/135415584 hellooo

]]> 2016-11-04 15:25:36 UTC https://padlet.com/kesavansivagi/laxg7/wish/135415584 https://padlet.com/kesavansivagi/laxg7/wish/135416956 Hey Ain! Most of us agreed that this is a case of BSE. Do you wanna elaborate more on how it's transmitted? This could explain why Puan Rosmah had to discard all the meat she purchased.]]> 2016-11-04 15:28:46 UTC https://padlet.com/kesavansivagi/laxg7/wish/135416956 https://padlet.com/kesavansivagi/laxg7/wish/135417621 Guys, I have one question to ponder, even if we know that the virus can be killed by the heat, thus causing no harmful effects to human, do we need to exempt that rabies can be one of our differential diagnoses?

Or, is there any solid reason that rabies might not be one of our findings? Please enlighten me (:]]> 2016-11-04 15:30:14 UTC https://padlet.com/kesavansivagi/laxg7/wish/135417621 https://padlet.com/kesavansivagi/laxg7/wish/135418221 from what I know, BSE can be transmitted if the animals is fed with meat and bone meal]]> 2016-11-04 15:31:46 UTC https://padlet.com/kesavansivagi/laxg7/wish/135418221 kesavansivagi https://padlet.com/kesavansivagi/laxg7/wish/135419097 Ya I agree with u Ain because BSE is zoonotic disease and the only way it transmitted to human is by consuming meat]]> 2016-11-04 15:34:05 UTC https://padlet.com/kesavansivagi/laxg7/wish/135419097 https://padlet.com/kesavansivagi/laxg7/wish/135420110 yup kesavan! to add more, there is some research stated that BSE can happen due to genetic mutation and was amplified by the feeding of contaminated meat-bone meal to cattle]]> 2016-11-04 15:36:47 UTC https://padlet.com/kesavansivagi/laxg7/wish/135420110 https://padlet.com/kesavansivagi/laxg7/wish/135421810 Zarith, now you're making me think. I've gotten so lost and now I wonder why can't rabies actually be the reason to our problem?]]> 2016-11-04 15:40:56 UTC https://padlet.com/kesavansivagi/laxg7/wish/135421810 https://padlet.com/kesavansivagi/laxg7/wish/135423386 Well, maybe now we can include rabies back into our discussion? Haha!]]> 2016-11-04 15:45:07 UTC https://padlet.com/kesavansivagi/laxg7/wish/135423386 https://padlet.com/kesavansivagi/laxg7/wish/135423821 Zarith, from what I read, yes, rabies can cause aggression and some other neurological signs. However, I don't think that it can cause lowered milk production. What do you think]]> 2016-11-04 15:46:19 UTC https://padlet.com/kesavansivagi/laxg7/wish/135423821 https://padlet.com/kesavansivagi/laxg7/wish/135424795 Yes Farahani, maybe rabies doesn't cause the milk production to be reduced, but I think we should still include it in one of our findings, seems that it actually causes neurological symptoms.]]> 2016-11-04 15:48:39 UTC https://padlet.com/kesavansivagi/laxg7/wish/135424795 https://padlet.com/kesavansivagi/laxg7/wish/135425462 Yes, I think we should still include more than one diagnosis to our problem as we are yet to receive our next trigger. Furthermore, I've learned from a lecturer that we should still include the other diagnoses despite the fact they only portray one of the clinical signs.]]> 2016-11-04 15:50:19 UTC https://padlet.com/kesavansivagi/laxg7/wish/135425462 https://padlet.com/kesavansivagi/laxg7/wish/135427090 My reason for ruling out rabies is because it is transmitted through saliva. And since it is a virus in the nervous system, I don't think the meat is affected. Just a thought. Hehe. What do you guys think?]]> 2016-11-04 15:54:44 UTC https://padlet.com/kesavansivagi/laxg7/wish/135427090 https://padlet.com/kesavansivagi/laxg7/wish/135427713 Ah I see! Thanks for the clarification Phoebe. Sorry it gets so confusing in here hehe. Yea, what about others' opinion?]]> 2016-11-04 15:56:24 UTC https://padlet.com/kesavansivagi/laxg7/wish/135427713 https://padlet.com/kesavansivagi/laxg7/wish/135428789 So, if the animals are infected with BSE, does the meat get contaminated too?]]> 2016-11-04 15:59:27 UTC https://padlet.com/kesavansivagi/laxg7/wish/135428789 https://padlet.com/kesavansivagi/laxg7/wish/135433608 Yes! The prions are found in the meat. Which is also the mode of transmission for BSE; consumption of prion-infected meat.]]> 2016-11-04 16:13:14 UTC https://padlet.com/kesavansivagi/laxg7/wish/135433608 kesavansivagi https://padlet.com/kesavansivagi/laxg7/wish/135443546 If im not mistaken prion can be found in the nerves. Therefore muscle said to be contaminated because nerve that supply to muscle contain prion.
So i think that when we eat meat we will eat the nerves together that contain prion.

]]> 2016-11-04 16:41:07 UTC https://padlet.com/kesavansivagi/laxg7/wish/135443546 https://padlet.com/kesavansivagi/laxg7/wish/135446398 So Kesavan, for that reason all brain and spinal cord must be removed from high risk cattle such as cattle that show any signs of neurological problems. ]]> 2016-11-04 16:50:46 UTC https://padlet.com/kesavansivagi/laxg7/wish/135446398 https://padlet.com/kesavansivagi/laxg7/wish/135660465 Farahani, you mean removing the brain spinal cord from the animal?]]> 2016-11-07 02:03:14 UTC https://padlet.com/kesavansivagi/laxg7/wish/135660465