"Why Rhetoric? Aristotle Lives!" Group Assignment by Grace Kranz https://padlet.com/Grace_Kranz/88h8w2v4is3cdglz For this group assignment, your group of 5 will answer the questions listed below. For each question, provide a thorough answer that is at least 5 sentences in length. 1) What are some misconceptions about rhetoric as mentioned in the text? How do Plato and Aristotle differ on their perspectives of rhetoric? Provide proof via referring to the text. 2) Cicero saw 'public things' as rhetorical spaces and acts. Give a few examples of 'public things' - buildings, rooms, monuments, etc. - that you interpret to be rhetorical in nature. Provide a brief explanation. 3) What are a few points from the text that you found interesting and/or surprising? What stands out to you the most within this text? (There's no wrong answer). 4) Think of a situation your group has in common that requires the use of rhetoric. What is the situation? Why is rhetoric being used? en-us 2022-08-23 18:52:29 UTC 2022-10-07 23:30:13 UTC hello@padlet.com Question 1 Julia, Josie, Mikayla, Abbie xe8365oz https://padlet.com/Grace_Kranz/88h8w2v4is3cdglz/wish/2270561466  There was a few different misconceptions about rhetoric. Some people thought that it wasn't true or a bit of a lie. Some people thought it was wrong or almost gross. It is also associated with disagreement so I feel like that definitely made it come off as negative. It was almost used to agree to disagree, so people always thought it wasn't anything great.]]> 2022-08-24 20:15:02 UTC https://padlet.com/Grace_Kranz/88h8w2v4is3cdglz/wish/2270561466 Ariana, Zach, Alyssa, Carter #1 https://padlet.com/Grace_Kranz/88h8w2v4is3cdglz/wish/2270562427 Rhetoric was viewed as bad mostly thanks to Plato, He thought that teachers who taught rhetoric were "teaching students to deceive rather than better themselves." Plato also thought that rhetoric was used to hide flaws. Aristotle thought rhetoric could teach people by " developing their capacities for pity and fear." Some more negative examples of rhetoric could be poorly scripted emails, frat flier advertising parties, and college professors getting drunk with their students. ]]> 2022-08-24 20:16:34 UTC https://padlet.com/Grace_Kranz/88h8w2v4is3cdglz/wish/2270562427 question 1. han, zach s, brock ms1569ur https://padlet.com/Grace_Kranz/88h8w2v4is3cdglz/wish/2270562600 Plato didn't agree with rhetoric because he believed that teachers that taught rhetoric were teaching their students to deceive rather then bettering themselves. Plato said that rhetoric is intended only to hide flaws. Plato thought that rhetoric was not encouraging self improvement. Aristotle was a proponent of the use rhetoric, Aristotle saw the potential in using rhetoric in a teaching environment to encourage citizens to develop their capacities of pity and fear.]]> 2022-08-24 20:16:50 UTC https://padlet.com/Grace_Kranz/88h8w2v4is3cdglz/wish/2270562600 Question 4 juliagowannuehring https://padlet.com/Grace_Kranz/88h8w2v4is3cdglz/wish/2270563697 A situation my group all has in common currently is making new friends as incoming freshman. Rhetoric ties into this because with making friends you have to sort of put the best version of yourself out there. Your using persuasive language to "convince" people to be your friend. Rhetoric comes in handy to make conversations easier and persuade people to be friends. Everyone in our group has benefited from using rhetoric to make and keep friends over the past week.]]> 2022-08-24 20:18:32 UTC https://padlet.com/Grace_Kranz/88h8w2v4is3cdglz/wish/2270563697 Carter G, Zach, Alyssa, Ariana - 2. Cicero saw examples of public things like rooms, monuments, or buildings as public things that could be left to a persons own interpretation, I feel that some that exist in public would be religious centers such as churches or other religious sites were created for the intended use of those as places of worship or growth. I feel they were intended to offer safe spaces for those who are religious for them to worship and pray safely without fear of harm from others. A second example being theatre's, pavilions, or public squares for entertainment, as pointed out many in Ancient Rome focused on telling stories and showing certain situations to prevent others from making mistakes or doing things correctly. They were intended to show different perspectives of shows for others. cartergressm https://padlet.com/Grace_Kranz/88h8w2v4is3cdglz/wish/2270564039 2022-08-24 20:19:07 UTC https://padlet.com/Grace_Kranz/88h8w2v4is3cdglz/wish/2270564039 Sam Davidson davidsonsam https://padlet.com/Grace_Kranz/88h8w2v4is3cdglz/wish/2270564185 1. People think that Rhetoric is Just talking but it is also about THINKING about how you talk. Plato belived that teachers who taught rhetoric were instructing their students to deceive others rather than to better themselves. Page 40 & 41

2. Cicero thought about different ways to memorize, Such as walking around into different rooms of the house and each room being a different section of the speech. He also spoke about the romans having spaces that were rhetorically important that were associated with the culture and the roman way of life. PG 54.

3. I thought it was interesting to see that Ethos, Pathos, Logos, And Kairos are used in everyday things such as the poster for the two sororities. 

4. Rhetoric is used in debates me and my friends have about political issues or social issues. It is also very present on this college campus with flyers and posters. ]]> 2022-08-24 20:19:19 UTC https://padlet.com/Grace_Kranz/88h8w2v4is3cdglz/wish/2270564185 Question 4 - Alyssa, Zach, Ariana, Carter https://padlet.com/Grace_Kranz/88h8w2v4is3cdglz/wish/2270564771 We have all written persuasive essays where you would have to think of a topic and explain why you feel one way or another. Typically, it was political or a common debate where there were no right or wrong answers. This is to train, typically high school students, how to have a civil debate and find logical reasoning. It also helps students understand all points of the topic they are describing, this way the essay seems more reliable. You usually have to cite your sources and avoid being biased.]]> 2022-08-24 20:20:12 UTC https://padlet.com/Grace_Kranz/88h8w2v4is3cdglz/wish/2270564771 question 3, Zach Schneider https://padlet.com/Grace_Kranz/88h8w2v4is3cdglz/wish/2270565544 I really found the point they made about how rhetoric ties into everything. Specifically when they tied rhetoric into how the romans constructed their city. The perspective that gave me to look at anything I see and understand exactly why or what the reasoning behind that object is very interesting to me. Another interesting point made was how paying attention to the rhetoric you use is very important in getting the point you want across. Weather its an email to a Professor, a text to a parent or a conversation with a friend. Every aspect of rhetoric used gives you an edge on whatever the goal is. ]]> 2022-08-24 20:21:24 UTC https://padlet.com/Grace_Kranz/88h8w2v4is3cdglz/wish/2270565544 Drew K, Cody C, Zach H th6324ui https://padlet.com/Grace_Kranz/88h8w2v4is3cdglz/wish/2270566186 Question 2:
Cicero says "rhetoric is about the spaces in which we write, converse, debate and share ideas." Some examples are libraries, parks, and anywhere outside. pretty much anywhere outside or with a group. These are all examples of rhetoric in nature according to Cicero. They fit into the his definition of being able to share ideas and debate freely. ]]> 2022-08-24 20:22:22 UTC https://padlet.com/Grace_Kranz/88h8w2v4is3cdglz/wish/2270566186 Question 3. Josie, Julia, Mikayla, Abbie https://padlet.com/Grace_Kranz/88h8w2v4is3cdglz/wish/2270566221 A few points from the story that surprised me the most was when they were writing an email that they applied logos and pathos. I have written many emails and never thought about how much I applied Logos and pathos in that. I thought it was also interesting when they took rhetoric and put him in a real-life situation. I also thought it was very unique for using the Ethos, Pathos, Logos, and Kairos to be used in posters. Making posters you want all of them combined in for an attention grab and to draw others into your sororities. ]]> 2022-08-24 20:22:25 UTC https://padlet.com/Grace_Kranz/88h8w2v4is3cdglz/wish/2270566221 2 https://padlet.com/Grace_Kranz/88h8w2v4is3cdglz/wish/2270567354 When I think of Rhetorical spaces, I think of therapy offices. this is because it offers a safe space for those who are in need of those moments. Also having rooms that go on with different cultures can help. churches are another good place because its a place where you can sit and decompress everything that is going on and just focus on the one thing that makes a difference in lives. libraries are also a good comfortable place to take time to yourself. ]]> 2022-08-24 20:23:48 UTC https://padlet.com/Grace_Kranz/88h8w2v4is3cdglz/wish/2270567354 1 Logan Johnson https://padlet.com/Grace_Kranz/88h8w2v4is3cdglz/wish/2270567705 Some say rhetoric is dead, but it's not. There are many bad connotations such as sneakiness and duplicity(38). Many people think rhetoric a Dirty word due to Plato. Platos way was more argumentative and Aristotle's way was more persuasive. Aristotle was trying to teach people using rhetoric in plays instead of trying to use it to insight arguments(43).]]> 2022-08-24 20:24:20 UTC https://padlet.com/Grace_Kranz/88h8w2v4is3cdglz/wish/2270567705 2 Logan Henderson https://padlet.com/Grace_Kranz/88h8w2v4is3cdglz/wish/2270567707 Jail was used as a physical room of punishment and wrong doing. as well as a house as part of a speech each room is different. On the opposing side, Cicero saw a speech as a house, each room was a different part of the speech. In this strategy he felt it easier to memorize rhetoric this way. ]]> 2022-08-24 20:24:21 UTC https://padlet.com/Grace_Kranz/88h8w2v4is3cdglz/wish/2270567707 zachary haukos drew cody https://padlet.com/Grace_Kranz/88h8w2v4is3cdglz/wish/2270568439 1)a lot of people have the misconception that it is a form of deception or duplicacy or sneakiness. It has been even defined by some people as a dirty word but that is not the case. Some people even call questions rhetoric because it doesn't have an answer that is expected. Some people say that rhetoric is a way of shutting down an argument. But the reality is 
Rhetoric is a way of conveying an argument in a way that people will have an easier way of understanding and debating in an argument. 


]]> 2022-08-24 20:25:35 UTC https://padlet.com/Grace_Kranz/88h8w2v4is3cdglz/wish/2270568439 Brady Sheridan https://padlet.com/Grace_Kranz/88h8w2v4is3cdglz/wish/2270569957 Question 3, Some things I found interesting in the text was that Aristotle disagreed with his teacher about rhetoric. Some interesting things about the text is that it shows Ethos, Pathos and Logos and Kairos are showed and used in everyday life. for example in this text it shows those things in posters. What I also found interesting in the text is all the posters in the text. I feel like everyone should pay attention to rhetoric because it can get your point across to what you are talking about.]]> 2022-08-24 20:27:37 UTC https://padlet.com/Grace_Kranz/88h8w2v4is3cdglz/wish/2270569957 question. 4. han brock zach s hannahjonus15 https://padlet.com/Grace_Kranz/88h8w2v4is3cdglz/wish/2270569977 Rhetoric is used everywhere and everyday and our group didn't even know it. From politics, to posters on campus, to debates you have with friends and family we see rhetoric examples everyday. We also have written many persuasive essays and. other academic work that has include rhetoric writing and arguments that persuades the audience. Another example. would be social media, which has taken over many people our ages lives in the past decade. Social media appeals to the audience emotions and sense of logic.]]> 2022-08-24 20:27:39 UTC https://padlet.com/Grace_Kranz/88h8w2v4is3cdglz/wish/2270569977 Question 2 Han, Zach,Brock cq9409wx https://padlet.com/Grace_Kranz/88h8w2v4is3cdglz/wish/2270570255 When I think of rhetorical places I think of: A court room place where people try and persuade each other to each-others side. Parks where people can gather and converse. the mail office where you send and receive rhetoric. a bus stop you can converse with others going on the bus. a classroom where all sorts of discussions happen.]]> 2022-08-24 20:28:07 UTC https://padlet.com/Grace_Kranz/88h8w2v4is3cdglz/wish/2270570255 Zach H, Cody C, Drew K codylchristenson34 https://padlet.com/Grace_Kranz/88h8w2v4is3cdglz/wish/2270571141 Question 2

I thought it was interesting how there are so many factors and components to rhetoric, Pg. 40 "Rhetoric is about the spaces in which we convert, debate and share ideas." It was also interesting how many people have shared their ideas or theories of rhetoric, such as Cicero, Aristotle, and Plato. The ethos, pathos, logos, and kairos concept was also interesting, thinking of how deep that people have studied rhetoric. Rhetoric ties into everything, that point was a main take away from this reading, and that rhetoric is everywhere always. I have never had a lecture or somebody teach me about rhetoric so really this whole concept and the ideas are interesting to me.]]> 2022-08-24 20:29:21 UTC https://padlet.com/Grace_Kranz/88h8w2v4is3cdglz/wish/2270571141 Cassandra, Ally, Ben, Ayden, Christine https://padlet.com/Grace_Kranz/88h8w2v4is3cdglz/wish/2270571860 1. 
    a.) "According to them, rhetoric and rhetorical are all about shutting down conversation and debate".  
    b.) Plato thought rhetoric was used to trick people into believing a certain phrase or argument. And Aristotle "was a proponent of the use of rhetoric to put across a broad range"(Page 4). "While plato thought that rhetoric was a part of a false world of appearances, Aristotle considered rhetoric to be one of the foundations of education" (Page 5). 

2. Cicero considered several methods for memorization, such as moving around the home and memorizing different passages of the speech in each room. Additionally, he noted how crucial rhetorical spaces related with Roman culture and manner of life existed among the Romans. (Page 10).

3. I thought it was interesting that Aristotle had such different views from plato even though he was his student. It makes me wonder why he thought different from his teacher. Typically, students do not try and disagree with their teacher. I also found the discovery of ethos, pathos, and logos interesting. 

4. We all use rhetoric throughout text messages. Depending on who we send the text message to, the format and use of language will change. Another way we use rhetoric is in debates because in every debate there is two sides and explanations for their arguments.]]> 2022-08-24 20:30:07 UTC https://padlet.com/Grace_Kranz/88h8w2v4is3cdglz/wish/2270571860 Q4. Ethan Heller oh9286mr https://padlet.com/Grace_Kranz/88h8w2v4is3cdglz/wish/2270572167 the situation we all ran into as incoming students is how we all had to make new friends. We had to use the different types of rhetorical appeals for some they used different means of communications. Rhetoric is the way you present yourself. People often covey them selves in different ways to try and appeal others. ]]> 2022-08-24 20:30:35 UTC https://padlet.com/Grace_Kranz/88h8w2v4is3cdglz/wish/2270572167 Question 3 Hannah, Zach s, Brock ms1569ur https://padlet.com/Grace_Kranz/88h8w2v4is3cdglz/wish/2270572327 When Cicero was imagining the words through the courtroom was interesting because that's how he remembered what they talked about during the chapter. I also was surprised how serious he took it when the email to the professor wasn't professional. I feel like unless you haven't talked to your professor at all you can email them in a more friendly matter instead of being that professional. my thoughts on rhetoric are mainly positive but I also think I can be used in a manipulative dark way. When they talk about social media I completely agree with them, you can destroy all your credibility by what you post.]]> 2022-08-24 20:30:53 UTC https://padlet.com/Grace_Kranz/88h8w2v4is3cdglz/wish/2270572327 Adrian Rascon Question 1 mb3338wh https://padlet.com/Grace_Kranz/88h8w2v4is3cdglz/wish/2270572610 People believed that when a rhetorical question was asked, no answer was to be expected. Plato believed that rhetoric was used to lie or deceive to others, while Aristotle did not considered rhetoric to be used for that, Aristotle  thought that using rhetoric was a good way of expressing ideas or as having style while talking or writing.]]> 2022-08-24 20:31:18 UTC https://padlet.com/Grace_Kranz/88h8w2v4is3cdglz/wish/2270572610 zachary haukos drew cody https://padlet.com/Grace_Kranz/88h8w2v4is3cdglz/wish/2270574022 4)a presentation for example is one way that we have used rhetoric in our academic lives.  Rhetoric can be used in presentations via arguments points and persuading the audience of information that you have brought forward.
You can also use it in the research process when it comes to using  2 different knowledgeable sources on the topic. Because they relate to rhetorical appeals.


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