https://padlet.com/djones109/802ss_holocaust Students react to different perspectives of various people involved in the holocaust en-us 2019-04-15 19:09:31 UTC 2019-05-31 03:01:43 UTC hello@padlet.com mcleveland13 https://padlet.com/djones109/802ss_holocaust/wish/351934938

What does the person in your source say as their defense for why they should not be punished? Do you think this is a logical reason? 

]]> 2019-04-16 11:56:25 UTC https://padlet.com/djones109/802ss_holocaust/wish/351934938 mcleveland13 https://padlet.com/djones109/802ss_holocaust/wish/351935069

Do you think that these people should have been held accountable after the Holocaust and the end of WWII? Why/Why not? 

]]> 2019-04-16 11:57:07 UTC https://padlet.com/djones109/802ss_holocaust/wish/351935069 mcleveland13 https://padlet.com/djones109/802ss_holocaust/wish/351935212 2019-04-16 11:58:02 UTC https://padlet.com/djones109/802ss_holocaust/wish/351935212 mtorres191 https://padlet.com/djones109/802ss_holocaust/wish/351975336 They said that they didnt Know about them shiping them to there deaths and i dont think thats logical because thats like klling someone and saying you didnt know it was illigal]]> 2019-04-16 14:03:53 UTC https://padlet.com/djones109/802ss_holocaust/wish/351975336 cstokes19 https://padlet.com/djones109/802ss_holocaust/wish/351975539  think that this guy should be held accountable for what he did he told people to go and 🤬 he try to make himself good because he wasn't he one that was killing so he's saying to himself if he's not killing he's so called the good guy when he's not if he's telling other guy to go and 🤬.]]> 2019-04-16 14:04:24 UTC https://padlet.com/djones109/802ss_holocaust/wish/351975539 jsorensen19 https://padlet.com/djones109/802ss_holocaust/wish/351976195 Yes he should of been held accountable because he was the one who made jewish people and germans 🤬 jewish people. He was the one who forced the jewish people to 🤬 other jewish people or else they would die. Even if the jewish people didn't want to 🤬 they were worried for there life so they had to do it.]]> 2019-04-16 14:06:09 UTC https://padlet.com/djones109/802ss_holocaust/wish/351976195 https://padlet.com/djones109/802ss_holocaust/wish/351976385 2019-04-16 14:06:38 UTC https://padlet.com/djones109/802ss_holocaust/wish/351976385 nviana19 https://padlet.com/djones109/802ss_holocaust/wish/351976450 The train conductor had no idea of his passenGers and should not be blamed for it. All the people where punished because of the nazis not him. You would be regretful/vengeful if you found out you did something like this and this is what he says]]> 2019-04-16 14:06:48 UTC https://padlet.com/djones109/802ss_holocaust/wish/351976450 jnasi19 https://padlet.com/djones109/802ss_holocaust/wish/351976459 Response 1:
He never told anyone what he was doing, and even at that, he didn't know exactly what he was doing. He was doing his job, and he only knew slivers of the passengers and where they were going.
Response 2:
I don't think he should've because it was his job to bring people to one place to another, no matter who and what is going to happen to them.]]> 2019-04-16 14:06:50 UTC https://padlet.com/djones109/802ss_holocaust/wish/351976459 mtorres191 https://padlet.com/djones109/802ss_holocaust/wish/351976538 i Think the train conductor in my article should be held responceble because he is breakinG the law trAnsported people to there deaths whY he does this i dont know

]]> 2019-04-16 14:07:01 UTC https://padlet.com/djones109/802ss_holocaust/wish/351976538 adaniels19 https://padlet.com/djones109/802ss_holocaust/wish/351976733 2) The person in my text never asked for any justice or anything like that. He knows that what he did was wrong and brutal but he admits that he did it for his own protection. The fact that he can admit to knowing what he did wasn't the best thing to do is amazing and he deserved freedom.]]> 2019-04-16 14:07:27 UTC https://padlet.com/djones109/802ss_holocaust/wish/351976733 https://padlet.com/djones109/802ss_holocaust/wish/351977462 I think that the guy should not be punished because he had no choice to 🤬 the victims that the Germans told them to 🤬 and if he did not follow the Germans orders, he would be killed and that he didn't want to be killed so he did it even if he didn't want to do it to other people that he had to 🤬. ]]> 2019-04-16 14:09:21 UTC https://padlet.com/djones109/802ss_holocaust/wish/351977462 nviana19 https://padlet.com/djones109/802ss_holocaust/wish/351978483 Some people shoUld be held accountaBle. These people On the other hand should not. People should bE punished if they not What they are Doing but theSe people do not.]]> 2019-04-16 14:12:04 UTC https://padlet.com/djones109/802ss_holocaust/wish/351978483 jwilliams192 https://padlet.com/djones109/802ss_holocaust/wish/352030477 Response 1
They say that they tried to block out the people and just think of different things. They said they tried to think of them as cargo because of the situations they are in. No these aren't logical as they are still doing these things even if they don't want to think about it.

Response 2
Yes they should've been held accountable these people are the ones that killed thousands of people. This person is the only one who could've stopped it they commanded everyone and if they tried to stop what was going on theres a good chance they would succeed.]]> 2019-04-16 16:16:25 UTC https://padlet.com/djones109/802ss_holocaust/wish/352030477 https://padlet.com/djones109/802ss_holocaust/wish/352030595 Response 1: This man defends himself when he said it took him months before he could look a jewish person in the eye at the camp which shows that he knew what he was doing was wrong but he still needed to live and provide for himself and his family.

Response 2: I don't think he should be held accountable because he knew he couldn't rise up to power and try to stop what was going on. He was just doing his job and at the end he said "No, no, no. This was the system. . . .It worked. And because it worked it was irreversible."]]> 2019-04-16 16:16:45 UTC https://padlet.com/djones109/802ss_holocaust/wish/352030595 https://padlet.com/djones109/802ss_holocaust/wish/352030746 Response 1: 
Walter Stier's defense was that he didn't know what was happening, which likely isn't entirely true, as there are some places where he seems to hint at him having at least a suspicion over what was going on in the concentration camps

Response 2:
I do not believe the Walter Stier should be held accountable, as, whether he knew about the activities in the concentration camps or not, he would have been rightfully scared for his life. people should not be punished for not putting his life on the line ]]> 2019-04-16 16:17:10 UTC https://padlet.com/djones109/802ss_holocaust/wish/352030746 sbarbour19 https://padlet.com/djones109/802ss_holocaust/wish/352030950 I think most people shouldn't be held responsible. Why hold someone responsible for something that they were forced to do? The article I read was "A Commandant's View." Franz Stangl, a former commandant of the death camps at Sobibor and Treblinka, was interviewed in the article. He has regrets, but he had no control whether he did what was morally right ]]> 2019-04-16 16:17:44 UTC https://padlet.com/djones109/802ss_holocaust/wish/352030950 https://padlet.com/djones109/802ss_holocaust/wish/352031484 I think that the guy shouldn't be punished because he was forced to follow the Germans. But on the other side I think that he should be punished because he wanted to do it even though he was forced. So he was some what responsible because he was forced.]]> 2019-04-16 16:19:06 UTC https://padlet.com/djones109/802ss_holocaust/wish/352031484 https://padlet.com/djones109/802ss_holocaust/wish/352031495 The Sonderkommandos should not be held accountable because they are victims: they were forced to do what the Germans told them to.]]> 2019-04-16 16:19:08 UTC https://padlet.com/djones109/802ss_holocaust/wish/352031495 https://padlet.com/djones109/802ss_holocaust/wish/352031586 I believe that this person 
 did not know what they were getting into. They thought at first that they were helping the germany and then it slowly turned to this thing were if you did not follow the system you'll be in trouble. "No, no, no. This was the system... It worked. And because it worked, it was irreversible."]]> 2019-04-16 16:19:21 UTC https://padlet.com/djones109/802ss_holocaust/wish/352031586 gpound19 https://padlet.com/djones109/802ss_holocaust/wish/352031840 The Sonderkommandos should not be in trouble for the killing of the Jews because they where forced by German guards, and if they didn't do it they would die, there scared. ]]> 2019-04-16 16:20:00 UTC https://padlet.com/djones109/802ss_holocaust/wish/352031840 https://padlet.com/djones109/802ss_holocaust/wish/352032068 Actually, it depends of who they were. If they were just a poor guy that found a job there, but just did it for money, then it is okay. If the guy enjoyed seeing people dying, then he should be arrested for what they done. ]]> 2019-04-16 16:20:35 UTC https://padlet.com/djones109/802ss_holocaust/wish/352032068 zmatthew19 https://padlet.com/djones109/802ss_holocaust/wish/352032606 Some evidence of my person said in defense is where he said he didn't want to do it. He kept forcing himself to forget that it was happening. He says " There were hundreds of ways to take one's mind off it; I used them all"]]> 2019-04-16 16:21:55 UTC https://padlet.com/djones109/802ss_holocaust/wish/352032606 https://padlet.com/djones109/802ss_holocaust/wish/352032708 I don't think the people should have been held accountable for what got forced to do.]]> 2019-04-16 16:22:15 UTC https://padlet.com/djones109/802ss_holocaust/wish/352032708 tjoliveau19 https://padlet.com/djones109/802ss_holocaust/wish/352033218 if the guy was poor, that he did it only to get money, then it is okay.
But if the guy enjoyed watching people dying, then he should be arrested.
 
response 1

the guy says how he was hurt inside of him by seeing those little children dying by thousands, seeing their nakeness, but he couldn't do anything ]]> 2019-04-16 16:23:43 UTC https://padlet.com/djones109/802ss_holocaust/wish/352033218 https://padlet.com/djones109/802ss_holocaust/wish/352033673 response 1: 
what the person was saying in there defense is that he was driving  criminal and low level jews to a certain state or contry he knew something  he was confused so he just drop them off also i pretty sure he did not want to get in trouble i do not think he should get in trouble 
response 2; 
i do not think he sould be accountable he might of knew somthing but at the same time he was confused so he gonna just drop them off and leave bascally doing his job ]]> 2019-04-16 16:24:53 UTC https://padlet.com/djones109/802ss_holocaust/wish/352033673 mdelrosario19 https://padlet.com/djones109/802ss_holocaust/wish/352033829 they should be held accountable, but not harshly, they did not know it was extermination, and they needed pay. in a similar situation, i would have not known. walter did not know it would mean death. and if he needed pay, to support himself and possible family, there would be no choice.]]> 2019-04-16 16:25:18 UTC https://padlet.com/djones109/802ss_holocaust/wish/352033829 sbarbour19 https://padlet.com/djones109/802ss_holocaust/wish/352034120 I think it depends on what part they played, and what they truly believed in. If someone was forced to do something for Hitler, since they would do it even if they didn't want to, I think they shouldn't be held accountable. The people who should be held accountable are those in power, and ones who made the decision to force people to 🤬.]]> 2019-04-16 16:26:04 UTC https://padlet.com/djones109/802ss_holocaust/wish/352034120 zmatthew19 https://padlet.com/djones109/802ss_holocaust/wish/352034147 I think he shouldn't be help responsible. Like he kept saying the reasons and things he did to take his mind off of what is happening. ]]> 2019-04-16 16:26:08 UTC https://padlet.com/djones109/802ss_holocaust/wish/352034147 https://padlet.com/djones109/802ss_holocaust/wish/352034187 Timmy wallace

hitler should have been held accountable because he was telling them to 🤬 the jewish people.....


]]> 2019-04-16 16:26:16 UTC https://padlet.com/djones109/802ss_holocaust/wish/352034187 https://padlet.com/djones109/802ss_holocaust/wish/352034353 i think that he should not be punished because he was forced or he would die and never be free and if he escaped then he would behind his back all the tim ]]> 2019-04-16 16:26:39 UTC https://padlet.com/djones109/802ss_holocaust/wish/352034353 edelaney19 https://padlet.com/djones109/802ss_holocaust/wish/352035408 the train persons defence was that they didn't know what was going on in the places and that they were just doing it cause they got paid, this is kinda not an logical reason because they had to know something in order to know what to do and why they were going to those specific places with those specific people.

--estaurdo tun salvador ]]> 2019-04-16 16:29:29 UTC https://padlet.com/djones109/802ss_holocaust/wish/352035408 edelaney19 https://padlet.com/djones109/802ss_holocaust/wish/352036319 They should have been prosecuted for what they did because he had to have known something especially since it was being controlled by the military so they had to have been told why they went to the definition and in the text he said "jews, or criminals, or similar people" possibly saying that he was told to believe these were the people that were being transported

--estuardo tun salvador]]> 2019-04-16 16:32:15 UTC https://padlet.com/djones109/802ss_holocaust/wish/352036319 https://padlet.com/djones109/802ss_holocaust/wish/352037688 The soldiers defense was that he blocked out everything he did from his thoughts and he also said he didn't see the prisoners as individuals but cargo. I think the defense is sort of valid, because it shows how he didn't want to take part and he didn't see them as people who lived.

Response 2

I think the soldier should not be held accountable for his actions because if he wanted to quit, he would probably be killed for being a traitor. Also he never stated he was innocent and took accountability for his own actions anyway.]]> 2019-04-16 16:36:18 UTC https://padlet.com/djones109/802ss_holocaust/wish/352037688 mkaied19 https://padlet.com/djones109/802ss_holocaust/wish/352307344 1.I think he should be accountable for killing them because you did it and your responsible for killing them and helping 🤬 them.
2.He said he was drinking and that shows he is guilty.And he wants to change.

]]> 2019-04-17 14:39:53 UTC https://padlet.com/djones109/802ss_holocaust/wish/352307344 https://padlet.com/djones109/802ss_holocaust/wish/352308437
I think he shouldn't be punished because he wasn't fully aware of what was going on and if he didn't get paid he would be on the street the bag come first. he also said that if you spoke on it you would get killed so he had to think would he risk his life for people who were viewed as Criminals and who were gonna die from Hitlers plan already or would he be quiet and stay safe.

-Janai G. 801
 ]]> 2019-04-17 14:42:17 UTC https://padlet.com/djones109/802ss_holocaust/wish/352308437 https://padlet.com/djones109/802ss_holocaust/wish/352308497 they should send the man to jail because even though he didn't 🤬 no one he still hurt people and tormented them ]]> 2019-04-17 14:42:30 UTC https://padlet.com/djones109/802ss_holocaust/wish/352308497 https://padlet.com/djones109/802ss_holocaust/wish/352308571 2019-04-17 14:42:46 UTC https://padlet.com/djones109/802ss_holocaust/wish/352308571 https://padlet.com/djones109/802ss_holocaust/wish/352308789 the drivers statement was that he had no idea that he had criminals on his bus. I think he did know but he had no choice. He was doing his job and if he didnt drive them they would of killed him]]> 2019-04-17 14:43:22 UTC https://padlet.com/djones109/802ss_holocaust/wish/352308789 https://padlet.com/djones109/802ss_holocaust/wish/352308931 I don't think that the guy should be punished and held accountable because at the time he didn't know what he was doing so why should he be given the blame and cause of the jews death. The point is that the guy did something he shouldn't have done but he claims that he feels guilty and that he regrets doing what he had done. 👷]]> 2019-04-17 14:43:45 UTC https://padlet.com/djones109/802ss_holocaust/wish/352308931 abritovivas19 https://padlet.com/djones109/802ss_holocaust/wish/352309076 He did feel guilty because he did things that caused him to hide, change his information because if he didn't they would have tracked him down

I think that he shouldn't have been punished because most soldiers have been hiding for years, they even change their own name. ]]> 2019-04-17 14:44:09 UTC https://padlet.com/djones109/802ss_holocaust/wish/352309076 cblackstock19 https://padlet.com/djones109/802ss_holocaust/wish/352309211 I think this person should be responsible because he even though he wasn't a collaborator but he "helped" to torment other prisoners]]> 2019-04-17 14:44:34 UTC https://padlet.com/djones109/802ss_holocaust/wish/352309211 https://padlet.com/djones109/802ss_holocaust/wish/352309672

What does the person in your source say as their defense for why they should not be punished? Do you think this is a logical reason?  they said that if the jews people help the sonderkommandos they well get killed  in the tex it said " were not collaborators but victims. 

do you this person be in jail. I feel like he should because the jews were helping them out and if they didn't help out they will get killed

]]> 2019-04-17 14:45:50 UTC https://padlet.com/djones109/802ss_holocaust/wish/352309672 mingcastro10 https://padlet.com/djones109/802ss_holocaust/wish/352310452 He shouldn't be punished because he  was forced to do things he didn't like . 
 ''After the war, some people criticized the sonderkommandos for their actions in the camps. But Levi concluded that people in the sonderommandos were not collaborators but victims . Although they exerted power over other prisoners , sonderkommando members had no meaningful choices available to them .'' ]]> 2019-04-17 14:47:50 UTC https://padlet.com/djones109/802ss_holocaust/wish/352310452 https://padlet.com/djones109/802ss_holocaust/wish/352310636 he said he felt guilty for every thing that he did by drinking every night before bed ]]> 2019-04-17 14:48:21 UTC https://padlet.com/djones109/802ss_holocaust/wish/352310636 cblackstock19 https://padlet.com/djones109/802ss_holocaust/wish/352312321 I think the jews that helped should be punished because ]]> 2019-04-17 14:53:00 UTC https://padlet.com/djones109/802ss_holocaust/wish/352312321 https://padlet.com/djones109/802ss_holocaust/wish/352431644 1. The commandant, rather than defend his actions promoted the futility of changing the system, as quoted “. . . . It worked. And because it worked, it was irreversible.”
2. I feel that the actions the commandant ordered should not be held against him. The fact for more than a decade he still thought about all the people killed by his hand, being unable to eat tinned meat because the livestock reminded him of the jewish shows we probably shouldn’t make it worse for him.]]> 2019-04-17 20:57:43 UTC https://padlet.com/djones109/802ss_holocaust/wish/352431644