5B Socratic Seminar Unit 4 by richard.plier@mgschools.net https://padlet.com/richard_plier1/7hal6en7k7zz Economic Systems en-us 2019-01-11 20:00:57 UTC 2019-01-11 20:58:47 UTC hello@padlet.com Rojaan K. https://padlet.com/richard_plier1/7hal6en7k7zz/wish/319855526 In a command system usually the sources are divided by the government. Some examples are the Soviet Union when they were a communist society. The government provided all the resources to the people and made decisions. ]]> 2019-01-11 20:03:46 UTC https://padlet.com/richard_plier1/7hal6en7k7zz/wish/319855526 Jahan Baker jahan_baker https://padlet.com/richard_plier1/7hal6en7k7zz/wish/319855576 In command systems, resources are allocated by the state or the government. In market systems, resources are allocated by the individuals that own the resource. And in mixed systems, the individuals that own the resource makes the decisions about allocation, however, the government helps them out if they have problems.]]> 2019-01-11 20:03:54 UTC https://padlet.com/richard_plier1/7hal6en7k7zz/wish/319855576 Colin S. colin_steward https://padlet.com/richard_plier1/7hal6en7k7zz/wish/319855611 In a market economy resources are controlled by private parties and decisions are made by private owners. So they are allocated where the private owners and parties make the decision where the resources go. In a command economy the government controls where everything goes they control the price of the product as well which means the government puts the resource wherever they think it would be the most useful. ]]> 2019-01-11 20:03:59 UTC https://padlet.com/richard_plier1/7hal6en7k7zz/wish/319855611 Noah O noah_olson1 https://padlet.com/richard_plier1/7hal6en7k7zz/wish/319855650 In a market economy resources are controlled by a private owner and they decides how to distribute or use the resource. In a command the state decides how to handle the resources and distributes them.]]> 2019-01-11 20:04:05 UTC https://padlet.com/richard_plier1/7hal6en7k7zz/wish/319855650 Maya https://padlet.com/richard_plier1/7hal6en7k7zz/wish/319855674 In a command, the government usually divides resources for the people. In market, the separate owners of the resources are the ones who control them. In a mixed economy, the people and the government both have roles in how to distribute resources. ]]> 2019-01-11 20:04:08 UTC https://padlet.com/richard_plier1/7hal6en7k7zz/wish/319855674 Collin M https://padlet.com/richard_plier1/7hal6en7k7zz/wish/319855746 In a Mixed economy the government provides light assistance within the economy.]]> 2019-01-11 20:04:18 UTC https://padlet.com/richard_plier1/7hal6en7k7zz/wish/319855746 Rojaan K. https://padlet.com/richard_plier1/7hal6en7k7zz/wish/319856477 In a market economy, the resources are allocated by private owners and parties. They decide what to do with their resources. So the government doesn't really have part in this system. Like in the USA, where companies control their resources and how to use them. ]]> 2019-01-11 20:05:57 UTC https://padlet.com/richard_plier1/7hal6en7k7zz/wish/319856477 John McAllister john_mcallister https://padlet.com/richard_plier1/7hal6en7k7zz/wish/319858434 In my opinion a system of either allocation by merit or by need would be the best system. This way people would get the resources they need and deserve based on the work they do. With this system people decide how hard they will work for how much they want. ]]> 2019-01-11 20:09:27 UTC https://padlet.com/richard_plier1/7hal6en7k7zz/wish/319858434 Nina Amaguana https://padlet.com/richard_plier1/7hal6en7k7zz/wish/319858620 The system that works best is Equal or Random System. According to Document B, this system where everyone is equal. This would make my life easier, since everyone equal.]]> 2019-01-11 20:09:49 UTC https://padlet.com/richard_plier1/7hal6en7k7zz/wish/319858620 Riley Allen https://padlet.com/richard_plier1/7hal6en7k7zz/wish/319858741 the system that works the best is merit because the way people would be able to get things would be easy because they get what they work for.]]> 2019-01-11 20:10:01 UTC https://padlet.com/richard_plier1/7hal6en7k7zz/wish/319858741 Avery Ruehlow avery_ruehlow https://padlet.com/richard_plier1/7hal6en7k7zz/wish/319859031 I think the system that works best is Equal because then everyone has the same of resources and everything. ]]> 2019-01-11 20:10:35 UTC https://padlet.com/richard_plier1/7hal6en7k7zz/wish/319859031 cristian https://padlet.com/richard_plier1/7hal6en7k7zz/wish/319859301 I believe that Capitalism is the best system because everyone has the same equal rights in marketing.]]> 2019-01-11 20:11:09 UTC https://padlet.com/richard_plier1/7hal6en7k7zz/wish/319859301 Morgan Bruesewitz morgan_bruesewitz https://padlet.com/richard_plier1/7hal6en7k7zz/wish/319860235 I think that out of all the ways resources could be allocated the best way is when it is equal or it is random. According to document B it is the fairest way. ]]> 2019-01-11 20:13:13 UTC https://padlet.com/richard_plier1/7hal6en7k7zz/wish/319860235 Jahan Baker jahan_baker https://padlet.com/richard_plier1/7hal6en7k7zz/wish/319862266 Everything in my life has some sort of value but somethings are more valuable than others. For example, food has more value to me than my phone because I'm not trying to die and my phone has more value to me than my bracelet. No, if there is a scarcity on pens, yes they would be more expensive but that doesn't mean they hold more personal value than it did before it was scarce. Value can be measured. Like I said before, somethings are more valuable than others. Some things are just more important than other things. ]]> 2019-01-11 20:17:37 UTC https://padlet.com/richard_plier1/7hal6en7k7zz/wish/319862266 Colin S. colin_steward https://padlet.com/richard_plier1/7hal6en7k7zz/wish/319862324 The things that are most valuable to me aren't only items family and friends are which support me and drive me to be better and get better things. For scarcity it depends like I only have two parents if they die I can't get two more parents or the same as my friends I can get new friends but they won't have the same ideas and personality as the old ones. But materials such as water, food, a bed and a house and heat those are things you can replace but they're super expensive to. Even education is valuable without it you won't get very far in life. things that are scarce usually cost more as well.]]> 2019-01-11 20:17:46 UTC https://padlet.com/richard_plier1/7hal6en7k7zz/wish/319862324 Mason B. mason_bodenstein https://padlet.com/richard_plier1/7hal6en7k7zz/wish/319862427     ]]> 2019-01-11 20:17:59 UTC https://padlet.com/richard_plier1/7hal6en7k7zz/wish/319862427 Ashley M. ashley_moen https://padlet.com/richard_plier1/7hal6en7k7zz/wish/319862501 I hold many things that are valuable to me, yes I do value my phone, It allows me to connect with people everywhere, and to read about things that I normally wouldn't know about. It also allows me to communicate with family and friends. As referenced in Document A, people in our society these days need to have many expensive or "necessary" possessions or electronics to be happy. I could definitely do without makeup, and some clothes, I only need comfy sweaters to survive, along with the basic necessities of course. Value is determined by how demanded the product is, or if a large group of people want this item. Value is measurable I suppose, simply because we put values on products all of the time.]]> 2019-01-11 20:18:09 UTC https://padlet.com/richard_plier1/7hal6en7k7zz/wish/319862501 Nina Amaguana https://padlet.com/richard_plier1/7hal6en7k7zz/wish/319862557 In my life the things that valuable to me are my family and education. Things that I could live without is my phone and other tech that I don't need. What determines value is the things that are important you In someways yes, because you need it, its important you now more than ever. Value can't be measured because it feeling.]]> 2019-01-11 20:18:15 UTC https://padlet.com/richard_plier1/7hal6en7k7zz/wish/319862557 Morgan Bruesewitz morgan_bruesewitz https://padlet.com/richard_plier1/7hal6en7k7zz/wish/319862560 I think that the things that are valuable in our life are things that we need to use to survive and succeed in life which includes friends and family. I think that when something is scarce it may be considered to be valuable but it may not necessarily be a necessity. ]]> 2019-01-11 20:18:16 UTC https://padlet.com/richard_plier1/7hal6en7k7zz/wish/319862560 jackson nielsen jackson_nielsen https://padlet.com/richard_plier1/7hal6en7k7zz/wish/319863312 although value does not all ways change just because something is scarce, usually scarcity means value goes up. usually value is determined by what you would trade or pay to get some thing or service, so yes value is measurable.]]> 2019-01-11 20:19:55 UTC https://padlet.com/richard_plier1/7hal6en7k7zz/wish/319863312 kiya parker kiya_parker https://padlet.com/richard_plier1/7hal6en7k7zz/wish/319864859      Scarcity is an important issue to economy because if you think about something that is scarce is said to have more value than things that aren't scarce. In document b it talked a lot about allocating resources in many different ways. and after reading animal farm you realize how that some of the animals thought that food was very valuable while the pigs thought that food was nt valuable because they had control. ]]> 2019-01-11 20:23:32 UTC https://padlet.com/richard_plier1/7hal6en7k7zz/wish/319864859 Noah Olson noah_olson1 https://padlet.com/richard_plier1/7hal6en7k7zz/wish/319864934 If a resource like food is scarce then it would be impotent to ration and distribute equal. But a resource like diamonds would increase in value or price and would be harder to get. It depends on how scarce or needed a resource is. ]]> 2019-01-11 20:23:45 UTC https://padlet.com/richard_plier1/7hal6en7k7zz/wish/319864934 Maya Bemis https://padlet.com/richard_plier1/7hal6en7k7zz/wish/319864951 Scarcity is important to the economy since scarcity can determine how valuable something is. In doc B it talked about allocating in different ways and scarcity can effect how different things are allocated. In impoverished countries compared to more wealthy countries you see the difference in what people find more valuable depending on what they have access to. ]]> 2019-01-11 20:23:47 UTC https://padlet.com/richard_plier1/7hal6en7k7zz/wish/319864951 LukeT Ltibbits5 https://padlet.com/richard_plier1/7hal6en7k7zz/wish/319864966 Scarcity is such an important issue in economics because it gives us the idea that we dont have infinite resources and in Document C Within a market economy, scarce resources are owned and controlled by private parties.]]> 2019-01-11 20:23:49 UTC https://padlet.com/richard_plier1/7hal6en7k7zz/wish/319864966 Manny Ocasio https://padlet.com/richard_plier1/7hal6en7k7zz/wish/319865043 I think scarcity is so important in the study of economics because if there was unlimited resources there wouldn't be nearly as many struggles in humans everyday life. Another reason scarcity is so important is because it determines the value of everything. ]]> 2019-01-11 20:24:02 UTC https://padlet.com/richard_plier1/7hal6en7k7zz/wish/319865043 Paola G https://padlet.com/richard_plier1/7hal6en7k7zz/wish/319865234 I think that scarcity is important to the economy because]]> 2019-01-11 20:24:29 UTC https://padlet.com/richard_plier1/7hal6en7k7zz/wish/319865234 Daniel Robbins https://padlet.com/richard_plier1/7hal6en7k7zz/wish/319865313 I believe scarcity is so important because it is one of the major determiners for deciding how valuable something is. In economics, if an item has a limited release or a low print run, there will be more people who want it, but fewer people who can have it. This will make the price drive way up because people will be at a bidding war against each other in an attempt to get the item that they want.]]> 2019-01-11 20:24:42 UTC https://padlet.com/richard_plier1/7hal6en7k7zz/wish/319865313 Brooke Vang brooke_vang https://padlet.com/richard_plier1/7hal6en7k7zz/wish/319867632 The difference between a want and a need. Things that I need in order to have a "happy and successful" life would be the basics, shelter, food, water, and everything like that, but some needs that I absolutely need in order to be happy, are probably people around me. Yes I want the people around me too, but I wouldn't be happy and I wouldn't see any point to do what I was doing. Things I want, I consider those things as in things that make everything easier, like my phone, i did without it before i got it so i could probably go without it, it would just be a little getting used to and just understanding why i don't have it.]]> 2019-01-11 20:30:37 UTC https://padlet.com/richard_plier1/7hal6en7k7zz/wish/319867632 Lea Anderson lea_anderson1 https://padlet.com/richard_plier1/7hal6en7k7zz/wish/319867633 a need is something that is necessary for your survival. A want is something that you would like to have, you do not need it to live you just want it. you need things like food, shelter, clothing, water and other necessity's, we want things like toys and phones and electronics. special clothes and expensive goods normally are not needed to be happy]]> 2019-01-11 20:30:38 UTC https://padlet.com/richard_plier1/7hal6en7k7zz/wish/319867633 Colin S colin_steward https://padlet.com/richard_plier1/7hal6en7k7zz/wish/319867655 To have a successful life in my opinion would be to have a occupation you love and have a nice house family and not have to worry about money and keep friends. A want in my opinion is everything electronic or anything I don't need to live. A need in my opinion is basically water food and clothes.]]> 2019-01-11 20:30:42 UTC https://padlet.com/richard_plier1/7hal6en7k7zz/wish/319867655 Chloe R chloe_rembisz https://padlet.com/richard_plier1/7hal6en7k7zz/wish/319867696 I think that the difference between a want and need is something that you think that you need but a need is something that you actually need for yourself. For example, you NEED water to survive. You NEED food to survive. You NEED shelter or a space to live in. You don’t need an education but you WANT one. Some people don’t get to opportunity to have some stuff that we think that we need.]]> 2019-01-11 20:30:49 UTC https://padlet.com/richard_plier1/7hal6en7k7zz/wish/319867696 kiya parker kiya_parker https://padlet.com/richard_plier1/7hal6en7k7zz/wish/319868152 I think that the difference between wants and needs are things that i need are things that are important for me to live a happy life like food,water,shelter,and education by the things that i want aren't important for me to live a happy life.


   
]]> 2019-01-11 20:32:08 UTC https://padlet.com/richard_plier1/7hal6en7k7zz/wish/319868152 ackson nielsen jackson_nielsen https://padlet.com/richard_plier1/7hal6en7k7zz/wish/319868180 A need is something you can't live without, a want is something that you don't need but would be very helpful to have]]> 2019-01-11 20:32:14 UTC https://padlet.com/richard_plier1/7hal6en7k7zz/wish/319868180 Ashlynn E ashlynn_edwards https://padlet.com/richard_plier1/7hal6en7k7zz/wish/319868258 A need is something you need to survive. Things I need to have a happy and successful life are the basics, food, water , shelter. There are also needs like family and friends.

]]> 2019-01-11 20:32:26 UTC https://padlet.com/richard_plier1/7hal6en7k7zz/wish/319868258 Shelden shelden_smith https://padlet.com/richard_plier1/7hal6en7k7zz/wish/319868369 Want is something you don't entirely need but desire and a need is something that you can not live without. People usually feel like they can't live without a want but they can, like phones and TV]]> 2019-01-11 20:32:47 UTC https://padlet.com/richard_plier1/7hal6en7k7zz/wish/319868369 Brooke Vang brooke_vang https://padlet.com/richard_plier1/7hal6en7k7zz/wish/319869081 I agree with "The government has responsibility to provide for the needs of citizens alone, ensuring survival, not happiness. People should know how or what makes them happy, but there are people who are happy, but they don't have anything. Like people don't have things we think are so simple, like shelter, food, and water. ]]> 2019-01-11 20:34:55 UTC https://padlet.com/richard_plier1/7hal6en7k7zz/wish/319869081 Shelden shelden_smith https://padlet.com/richard_plier1/7hal6en7k7zz/wish/319869653 There should be no guarantee of wants or needs because people should have to work for what they get or want to get. Fallback should be provided but in limited amounts to provide for pregnant mothers, work related injuries, and firings not due to work performance. ]]> 2019-01-11 20:36:35 UTC https://padlet.com/richard_plier1/7hal6en7k7zz/wish/319869653 Ashley M. ashley_moen https://padlet.com/richard_plier1/7hal6en7k7zz/wish/319869752 Out of the three statements I probably agree with the third the most, not completely. The government shouldn't have total responsibility for providing wants and needs for society, because it would be kind of like communism. Also, citizens need to work for their own success to get the things they want.]]> 2019-01-11 20:36:51 UTC https://padlet.com/richard_plier1/7hal6en7k7zz/wish/319869752 Rojaan K https://padlet.com/richard_plier1/7hal6en7k7zz/wish/319869777 I agree with the third statement the most. Because I think for people, happiness is a something that is necessary for good mental health. The government, as the leaders should recognize that these people are under their care. But giving the government that much power is really dangerous. So I think people should have power in the decisions that dictate their needs and happiness. ]]> 2019-01-11 20:36:55 UTC https://padlet.com/richard_plier1/7hal6en7k7zz/wish/319869777 John McAllister john_mcallister https://padlet.com/richard_plier1/7hal6en7k7zz/wish/319869941 I believe that their should be no guarantee of needs or wants being met for individuals. In my opinion the needs and wants of someone can be obtained by working hard for it. In Animal farm, by George Orwell, the animals are provided everything given their command system. This made many unhappy, since others were deciding what they need to be happy. In the books case the pigs were the ones who took the dictator position.]]> 2019-01-11 20:37:30 UTC https://padlet.com/richard_plier1/7hal6en7k7zz/wish/319869941 Riley Allen https://padlet.com/richard_plier1/7hal6en7k7zz/wish/319870125 i agree that the government has a responsibility to help provide for people but they should not have to do everything for that person or family]]> 2019-01-11 20:38:15 UTC https://padlet.com/richard_plier1/7hal6en7k7zz/wish/319870125 Ashlynn E ashlynn_edwards https://padlet.com/richard_plier1/7hal6en7k7zz/wish/319870301 I agree that the government has a responsibility to provide the needs of the population as well as working to ensure happiness through providing some wants. This will ensure that the economy runs smoother and the people are happier.]]> 2019-01-11 20:38:58 UTC https://padlet.com/richard_plier1/7hal6en7k7zz/wish/319870301 Chloe R chloe_rembisz https://padlet.com/richard_plier1/7hal6en7k7zz/wish/319870461 I agree with the third one because they I believe people's happiness is something that is a need but if they have control over people's happiness does that mean that they have control of their sadness. ]]> 2019-01-11 20:39:32 UTC https://padlet.com/richard_plier1/7hal6en7k7zz/wish/319870461 Manny Ocasio https://padlet.com/richard_plier1/7hal6en7k7zz/wish/319872031 1.I believe that socialist would would require a education.
2. Capitalist would think that protective services are needed. 
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]]> 2019-01-11 20:45:01 UTC https://padlet.com/richard_plier1/7hal6en7k7zz/wish/319872031 Avery Ruehlow avery_ruehlow https://padlet.com/richard_plier1/7hal6en7k7zz/wish/319872114 1. A capitalist would want a private education and would like that the education isn't done by government
2. Socialist is very about having a good police system and a good fire department 
3.For health care, socialists  would be alright with having health care paid from the government for people that can not afford it and capitalists most likely would not be alright with it. 
4.Parks, are a must have I believe ]]> 2019-01-11 20:45:17 UTC https://padlet.com/richard_plier1/7hal6en7k7zz/wish/319872114 RIey Allen https://padlet.com/richard_plier1/7hal6en7k7zz/wish/319872233 i feel that a socialist and a capitalist would both make education mandatory. health care would be mandatory if you do not already have it to begin with.]]> 2019-01-11 20:45:45 UTC https://padlet.com/richard_plier1/7hal6en7k7zz/wish/319872233 Luke T Ltibbits5 https://padlet.com/richard_plier1/7hal6en7k7zz/wish/319872255 Socialist
1.I think a socialist would view education as a requirement until you are an adult than you can choose for your self
2. I think protective services would be viewed as a requirement so there would no just be chaos or disorder 
3.Healthcare would be a need for people if you don't have health care if you get sick and don't get treated you could die based on hoe sick you are 
Capitalist
1.I think a capitalist would view education as a requirement
2.Protective services would be viewed as a need to keep the town from becoming an anarchy. 
3.Healthcare would be a need because if you get injured and you don't have access to medical services you could get worse or die


]]> 2019-01-11 20:45:49 UTC https://padlet.com/richard_plier1/7hal6en7k7zz/wish/319872255 Collin https://padlet.com/richard_plier1/7hal6en7k7zz/wish/319873219 Socialism would help with costs of insurance]]> 2019-01-11 20:49:24 UTC https://padlet.com/richard_plier1/7hal6en7k7zz/wish/319873219 Daniel Robbins https://padlet.com/richard_plier1/7hal6en7k7zz/wish/319874479 I would say the pigs did not handle the allocations of resources as well as they could have. While they did a pretty good job at the beginning, some of the pigs, especially Napoleon, got very power hungry and began taking away resources from animals who disobeyed his orders. The animals attempted to set up a command economy but this quickly became a very out of balance dictatorship and left animals struggling to get vital resources.]]> 2019-01-11 20:53:45 UTC https://padlet.com/richard_plier1/7hal6en7k7zz/wish/319874479 Lea Anderson lea_anderson1 https://padlet.com/richard_plier1/7hal6en7k7zz/wish/319874590 in the beginning they did ok about how they distributed their resources, though as things went on they got worse and worse. the pigs started to take more and more for themselves and less for the other animals. Eventually the pigs were practically all powerful compared to the other animals who ended with nothing. The pigs did not handle allocation of resources well and it shows in the outcome of the story.

]]> 2019-01-11 20:54:07 UTC https://padlet.com/richard_plier1/7hal6en7k7zz/wish/319874590 Shelden shelden_smith https://padlet.com/richard_plier1/7hal6en7k7zz/wish/319874644 I do not agree because the humans started by just taking the resources away and then were overthrown and in the spirit of the revolution the animals put the pigs in power. The pigs didn't do any of the work, like humans, they made all the rules and regulated the farm just like humans. The pigs just turned into humans in the end by walking on two feet. Also by training the dogs to kill happened.]]> 2019-01-11 20:54:19 UTC https://padlet.com/richard_plier1/7hal6en7k7zz/wish/319874644