Employers' Workshop Johannesburg April 20,2022 by Mohira Kurbanova https://padlet.com/mohirakurbanova/78kdhrrspnpqspa7 Live board for participant inputs on different sessions en-us 2022-04-17 15:59:41 UTC 2026-03-10 20:26:14 UTC hello@padlet.com https://padlet-uploads.storage.googleapis.com/1572901234/a8116b4a0079fbe135f433d2509980a5/IOE1.png Lack of EOs capacity and awareness https://padlet.com/mohirakurbanova/78kdhrrspnpqspa7/wish/2149977633 EOs are not well aware of the impact of migration policies on businesses. 
Lack of knowledge on the GCM ]]> 2022-04-20 08:20:04 UTC https://padlet.com/mohirakurbanova/78kdhrrspnpqspa7/wish/2149977633 Difficult conversation with trade unions https://padlet.com/mohirakurbanova/78kdhrrspnpqspa7/wish/2149989433 Skills shortage may be acknowledged, but trade union perceive that foreign workers are stealing ways jobs]]> 2022-04-20 08:29:36 UTC https://padlet.com/mohirakurbanova/78kdhrrspnpqspa7/wish/2149989433 Engagement with EO https://padlet.com/mohirakurbanova/78kdhrrspnpqspa7/wish/2149993314 Zimbabwe: Engagement is taking place with EO on labour migration policy-making
Tanzania:  EO were involved in the policy making process and change of law to attract foreign workers.  
South Africa: Busa active engagement
Lesotho: no involvement. IOM in the lead. EO should reach to IOM at national level. 
Zambia: EO is part of the tripartite national task force to work on framework on labour migration. More Employers need to be involved. ]]> 2022-04-20 08:33:02 UTC https://padlet.com/mohirakurbanova/78kdhrrspnpqspa7/wish/2149993314 Challenge: perceptions https://padlet.com/mohirakurbanova/78kdhrrspnpqspa7/wish/2149998280 Bringing migrant workers leads to employment creation. Data and studies have proved this. ]]> 2022-04-20 08:37:07 UTC https://padlet.com/mohirakurbanova/78kdhrrspnpqspa7/wish/2149998280 AU Labour Migration Advisory Committee (AU-LMAC) https://padlet.com/mohirakurbanova/78kdhrrspnpqspa7/wish/2150003850 No EO present in the workshop takes part in this committee. 
ILO to identify whether EO can be part of this committee.]]> 2022-04-20 08:41:49 UTC https://padlet.com/mohirakurbanova/78kdhrrspnpqspa7/wish/2150003850 Changing the narrative https://padlet.com/mohirakurbanova/78kdhrrspnpqspa7/wish/2150004422 Governments need to be bold in saying how migrants bring value (social and economic) to countries]]> 2022-04-20 08:42:16 UTC https://padlet.com/mohirakurbanova/78kdhrrspnpqspa7/wish/2150004422 Any lists for critical skills/ scarce skills, influencing the visa regime for migrants, must be dynamic and flexible to accommodate a just in time labour market requirement which a rapidly changing and unpredictable https://padlet.com/mohirakurbanova/78kdhrrspnpqspa7/wish/2150047297 2022-04-20 09:21:53 UTC https://padlet.com/mohirakurbanova/78kdhrrspnpqspa7/wish/2150047297 South Africa has recently published for public comment their draft National Labour Migration Policy. In agriculture specifically, there is no lack of dialogue between the sector and the Department of Employment and Labour (DEL). The issue is resolutions reached in said dialogue do not translate into the policy published or tabled at NEDLAC. https://padlet.com/mohirakurbanova/78kdhrrspnpqspa7/wish/2150049989 2022-04-20 09:24:42 UTC https://padlet.com/mohirakurbanova/78kdhrrspnpqspa7/wish/2150049989 Misunderstanding between employers and Governments https://padlet.com/mohirakurbanova/78kdhrrspnpqspa7/wish/2150066716 Different interpretations.
For policy makers: 
- migrant labour = unskilled migrants / refugees. 
- Foreigners are coming to takes jobs from locals
Employers need to frame their response with these interpretations in mind]]> 2022-04-20 09:40:42 UTC https://padlet.com/mohirakurbanova/78kdhrrspnpqspa7/wish/2150066716 Employers should call on governments for greater flexibility to enable access to skilled foreign labour, ease of access to manage the visa regime and ensure policies and regulations are effectively inspected and enforced https://padlet.com/mohirakurbanova/78kdhrrspnpqspa7/wish/2150066822 2022-04-20 09:40:49 UTC https://padlet.com/mohirakurbanova/78kdhrrspnpqspa7/wish/2150066822 Advocate for a change of thinking to policy-makers https://padlet.com/mohirakurbanova/78kdhrrspnpqspa7/wish/2150070049 Policy makers are not understanding the industries' realities. 
Ex: Quota in the agriculture]]> 2022-04-20 09:44:18 UTC https://padlet.com/mohirakurbanova/78kdhrrspnpqspa7/wish/2150070049 https://padlet.com/mohirakurbanova/78kdhrrspnpqspa7/wish/2150076732
3 priorities for Governments: portability of benefits,work permit exemption,mainstream labour migration issues in national policies,incentives for migrant savings and investments access to credit business development


]]> 2022-04-20 09:51:29 UTC https://padlet.com/mohirakurbanova/78kdhrrspnpqspa7/wish/2150076732 Believe the issue of challenges of lower skilled migrants recruitment needs to be raised as this can be time-sensitive and seasonal. Agriculture is a good case study as there is a significant challenge to recruit in rural areas where there has been upward mobility in local communities. There has to be recognition of freedom of choice to take up work opportunities https://padlet.com/mohirakurbanova/78kdhrrspnpqspa7/wish/2150077206 2022-04-20 09:52:00 UTC https://padlet.com/mohirakurbanova/78kdhrrspnpqspa7/wish/2150077206 Intergovernmental cooperation https://padlet.com/mohirakurbanova/78kdhrrspnpqspa7/wish/2150080705 Difficult to maneuver with various department dealing with migration laws.]]> 2022-04-20 09:55:49 UTC https://padlet.com/mohirakurbanova/78kdhrrspnpqspa7/wish/2150080705 Compliant VS non-compliant industries https://padlet.com/mohirakurbanova/78kdhrrspnpqspa7/wish/2150083023 Regulations are meant for the compliant industries. Cost for compliant industries increase, while non-compliant industries continue to operate in the dark. ]]> 2022-04-20 09:58:11 UTC https://padlet.com/mohirakurbanova/78kdhrrspnpqspa7/wish/2150083023 3 priorities https://padlet.com/mohirakurbanova/78kdhrrspnpqspa7/wish/2150084617 Admission policies
PS engagement is necessary
Technology is key]]> 2022-04-20 09:59:53 UTC https://padlet.com/mohirakurbanova/78kdhrrspnpqspa7/wish/2150084617 https://padlet.com/mohirakurbanova/78kdhrrspnpqspa7/wish/2150090208 The research and stats were great ]]> 2022-04-20 10:05:53 UTC https://padlet.com/mohirakurbanova/78kdhrrspnpqspa7/wish/2150090208 https://padlet.com/mohirakurbanova/78kdhrrspnpqspa7/wish/2150145823 Non citizen laws have been amended in Tanzania however renewals are done every two years and is therefore tedious and expensive.]]> 2022-04-20 11:07:20 UTC https://padlet.com/mohirakurbanova/78kdhrrspnpqspa7/wish/2150145823 Support from SAMM https://padlet.com/mohirakurbanova/78kdhrrspnpqspa7/wish/2150170194 EO call for support from SAMM and ILO ACTEMP to promote the work that Employers have done. It needs to be promoted. Documents need to be promoted locally. ]]> 2022-04-20 11:32:47 UTC https://padlet.com/mohirakurbanova/78kdhrrspnpqspa7/wish/2150170194 Migration addressed with security perspectives https://padlet.com/mohirakurbanova/78kdhrrspnpqspa7/wish/2150172689 Ministries tend to address migration with security lenses. 
Ex: DRC mining sector: majority of workers are foreigners - migrant workers. The conversation about low-medium-high skilled migrant level are non existent. Counterpart is Ministry of Interior. Ministry of Interior have never joined meetings with Ministry of Labour to discuss migration. 
ILO could be the facilitator.


]]> 2022-04-20 11:35:10 UTC https://padlet.com/mohirakurbanova/78kdhrrspnpqspa7/wish/2150172689 Let the compliant recruitment industry Self regulate... https://padlet.com/mohirakurbanova/78kdhrrspnpqspa7/wish/2150195037 ...while governments can focus on the non-compliant. 
Inspectorates are poorly staffed. 

Exception policing rather than general policing.

]]> 2022-04-20 11:56:29 UTC https://padlet.com/mohirakurbanova/78kdhrrspnpqspa7/wish/2150195037 Informal sector https://padlet.com/mohirakurbanova/78kdhrrspnpqspa7/wish/2150195864 Hiring migrant workers. How to best organize this?
Informal employers hiring informal migrant workers. How to handle this?

! EO should not "waste energy" with informal employers, which are not members of the EOs. Governments should focus on fighting the informal sector.]]> 2022-04-20 11:57:19 UTC https://padlet.com/mohirakurbanova/78kdhrrspnpqspa7/wish/2150195864 Recruitment of foreign workers is costly https://padlet.com/mohirakurbanova/78kdhrrspnpqspa7/wish/2150202469 It is more costly to hire foreign workers than local.
But Employers need skills and will have to access foreign skills when needed. Hiring the needed skills, increases business, creates new jobs. ]]> 2022-04-20 12:03:48 UTC https://padlet.com/mohirakurbanova/78kdhrrspnpqspa7/wish/2150202469 Danger of Overregulation https://padlet.com/mohirakurbanova/78kdhrrspnpqspa7/wish/2150206661 2022-04-20 12:07:46 UTC https://padlet.com/mohirakurbanova/78kdhrrspnpqspa7/wish/2150206661 https://padlet.com/mohirakurbanova/78kdhrrspnpqspa7/wish/2150209418 In Tanzania we have a compulsory policy that all employers should have and register and comply. The equal opportunity and non discrimination policy which focuses on recruitment. The employment policy also mentions the same however there is no specific recruitment policy]]> 2022-04-20 12:10:20 UTC https://padlet.com/mohirakurbanova/78kdhrrspnpqspa7/wish/2150209418 Difficulty in data collection https://padlet.com/mohirakurbanova/78kdhrrspnpqspa7/wish/2150290503 for Labour Market Information Systems

]]> 2022-04-20 13:11:44 UTC https://padlet.com/mohirakurbanova/78kdhrrspnpqspa7/wish/2150290503 Skills development: Anticipation https://padlet.com/mohirakurbanova/78kdhrrspnpqspa7/wish/2150294471 Major challenges include Information ; systems for recognizing skills especially those gained from the non-formal sector; non-communication between the supply and demand sides]]> 2022-04-20 13:14:10 UTC https://padlet.com/mohirakurbanova/78kdhrrspnpqspa7/wish/2150294471 National Employment Policy https://padlet.com/mohirakurbanova/78kdhrrspnpqspa7/wish/2150297217 value of National Employment Policies - collective vision for skills development (develop skills for local market or external market or self-employed?)]]> 2022-04-20 13:15:44 UTC https://padlet.com/mohirakurbanova/78kdhrrspnpqspa7/wish/2150297217 Skills anticipation https://padlet.com/mohirakurbanova/78kdhrrspnpqspa7/wish/2150337973 Motivate EOs members to better anticipate skills needs.

]]> 2022-04-20 13:25:27 UTC https://padlet.com/mohirakurbanova/78kdhrrspnpqspa7/wish/2150337973 Should Employers not be proposing flexibility and self-management in recruitment of skilled foreign nationals with a requirement to disclose/report and be responsible for justifying/ providing evidence for the reasoning to hire non-national skills https://padlet.com/mohirakurbanova/78kdhrrspnpqspa7/wish/2150347790 2022-04-20 13:31:25 UTC https://padlet.com/mohirakurbanova/78kdhrrspnpqspa7/wish/2150347790 Whole of Government approach missing https://padlet.com/mohirakurbanova/78kdhrrspnpqspa7/wish/2150358693 2022-04-20 13:37:20 UTC https://padlet.com/mohirakurbanova/78kdhrrspnpqspa7/wish/2150358693 Disconnect between demand and supply https://padlet.com/mohirakurbanova/78kdhrrspnpqspa7/wish/2150379249 Education / training does not produce the skills needed on the labour market. Industry need to talk to academia. ]]> 2022-04-20 13:49:09 UTC https://padlet.com/mohirakurbanova/78kdhrrspnpqspa7/wish/2150379249 The legal framework is almost non existant for all migration matters. There's a tripartite committee put in place recently and it's starting to move things around https://padlet.com/mohirakurbanova/78kdhrrspnpqspa7/wish/2150387814 2022-04-20 13:54:13 UTC https://padlet.com/mohirakurbanova/78kdhrrspnpqspa7/wish/2150387814 Portability of social security benefits, where applicable https://padlet.com/mohirakurbanova/78kdhrrspnpqspa7/wish/2150415687 Ensure that migrant workers can have access to their social security benefits.
Within SADC it is there - it may need to be implemented/operationalized. 
Some countries don't have social security system - less relevant]]> 2022-04-20 14:10:55 UTC https://padlet.com/mohirakurbanova/78kdhrrspnpqspa7/wish/2150415687 All of government approach... https://padlet.com/mohirakurbanova/78kdhrrspnpqspa7/wish/2150423082 ...to ensure skills migration is addressed from an economic as well as a security perspective.
Needs to be agile and flexible.  

Engagement with stakeholders, especially training institutions to discuss skills anticipation.]]> 2022-04-20 14:15:04 UTC https://padlet.com/mohirakurbanova/78kdhrrspnpqspa7/wish/2150423082 National migration law https://padlet.com/mohirakurbanova/78kdhrrspnpqspa7/wish/2150424192 to be developed or to be harmonized with other existing legislation. ]]> 2022-04-20 14:15:48 UTC https://padlet.com/mohirakurbanova/78kdhrrspnpqspa7/wish/2150424192 Training fund https://padlet.com/mohirakurbanova/78kdhrrspnpqspa7/wish/2150427990 Reduce requirements to claim from the training fund, where applicable.]]> 2022-04-20 14:17:50 UTC https://padlet.com/mohirakurbanova/78kdhrrspnpqspa7/wish/2150427990 Innovate and simplify processes to hire foreign skills https://padlet.com/mohirakurbanova/78kdhrrspnpqspa7/wish/2150431393 Transparency in the work permits applications/processes.
Streamlining processes when there is a skills shortage.
Admin burden (lengthy and cumbersome process) when recruiting foreign workers. 
(Advertise locally, skills transfer plan, etc : too many steps to be undertaken)
Self-regulatory models to support the innovation.]]> 2022-04-20 14:19:42 UTC https://padlet.com/mohirakurbanova/78kdhrrspnpqspa7/wish/2150431393 Access to fund from the skills development levy https://padlet.com/mohirakurbanova/78kdhrrspnpqspa7/wish/2150436653 EO to be considered to receive funds from the skills development levy from the governments, to ensure that industries are brought on board on the migration issues. 
It would motivate members to partner with training institutions. ]]> 2022-04-20 14:22:54 UTC https://padlet.com/mohirakurbanova/78kdhrrspnpqspa7/wish/2150436653 Tripartism https://padlet.com/mohirakurbanova/78kdhrrspnpqspa7/wish/2150439052 Any national conversation on migration should be tripartite and include EOs.
Ex: TVET board on skills development to be tripartite in nature. ]]> 2022-04-20 14:24:21 UTC https://padlet.com/mohirakurbanova/78kdhrrspnpqspa7/wish/2150439052 Database for skills mapping https://padlet.com/mohirakurbanova/78kdhrrspnpqspa7/wish/2150441551 Develop framework / database for governments and EO to share data (issues of skills saturation, etc), to identify which region needs which skills.

]]> 2022-04-20 14:25:51 UTC https://padlet.com/mohirakurbanova/78kdhrrspnpqspa7/wish/2150441551 Align skills and migration policies https://padlet.com/mohirakurbanova/78kdhrrspnpqspa7/wish/2150443666 2022-04-20 14:27:02 UTC https://padlet.com/mohirakurbanova/78kdhrrspnpqspa7/wish/2150443666 Technology https://padlet.com/mohirakurbanova/78kdhrrspnpqspa7/wish/2150444507 Online applications, e-visas, streamline immigration processes - transparency.]]> 2022-04-20 14:27:27 UTC https://padlet.com/mohirakurbanova/78kdhrrspnpqspa7/wish/2150444507 Changing the narrative https://padlet.com/mohirakurbanova/78kdhrrspnpqspa7/wish/2150447127 Unity of purpose to promote evidence-based public discourse to shape perceptions of migration.]]> 2022-04-20 14:29:02 UTC https://padlet.com/mohirakurbanova/78kdhrrspnpqspa7/wish/2150447127 Regulation of the recruitment industry, where appropriate https://padlet.com/mohirakurbanova/78kdhrrspnpqspa7/wish/2150453671 2022-04-20 14:32:56 UTC https://padlet.com/mohirakurbanova/78kdhrrspnpqspa7/wish/2150453671 Harmonization of qualifications frameworks and skills recognition mechanisms https://padlet.com/mohirakurbanova/78kdhrrspnpqspa7/wish/2150455454

]]> 2022-04-20 14:33:56 UTC https://padlet.com/mohirakurbanova/78kdhrrspnpqspa7/wish/2150455454 Social dialogue and collective bargaining https://padlet.com/mohirakurbanova/78kdhrrspnpqspa7/wish/2150486842 2022-04-20 14:52:31 UTC https://padlet.com/mohirakurbanova/78kdhrrspnpqspa7/wish/2150486842