End of Novel Discussion Question Responses by https://padlet.com/mmccourt5/75u8p6kj4w32y0w8 You will post your three responses to the designated Question columns, with your initials attached to each post in the title! en-us 2020-12-14 22:57:51 UTC 2020-12-15 17:03:02 UTC hello@padlet.com https://padlet.net/icons/png/1f437.png Lexi Young https://padlet.com/mmccourt5/75u8p6kj4w32y0w8/wish/1020307748 @Mia R.
1.  I agree with your claim that the pigs ascended into power by using manipulation and getting rid of any threats.
2.  For example when anything bad would happen on the farm Napoleon would blame Snowball. This would both eliminate a threat and manipulate the animals into thinking Napoleon was good and Snowball was bad.
3. I wonder if the animals had remembered the seven commandments better how different would the farm be.]]> 2020-12-15 15:16:19 UTC https://padlet.com/mmccourt5/75u8p6kj4w32y0w8/wish/1020307748 Tyler Borack https://padlet.com/mmccourt5/75u8p6kj4w32y0w8/wish/1020311712 @Emily Fierst
1. I disagree with your claim that the pigs ascended in power because they lied and said they worked harder than the others. Napoleon and the pigs were truly the hard workers and they were very noble and smart which made them good leaders. Although Napoleon still abused his power he though, he was the best fit for a powerful leader. 
2. An example of this is that Napoleon and the pigs made up the 7 commandments which led to a further democracy. Only the most noble and smart are respected enough to make rules for the whole farm to follow. In which this example refutes your claim.
3. I wonder, who do you think would be a better leader in your opinion, Snowball or Napoleon.

]]> 2020-12-15 15:17:06 UTC https://padlet.com/mmccourt5/75u8p6kj4w32y0w8/wish/1020311712 Summer Jenssen sjenssen24 https://padlet.com/mmccourt5/75u8p6kj4w32y0w8/wish/1020315180 @Catherine 
1. While I somewhat agree, I also somewhat disagree. I agree in the sense that, yes, it would have been far easier to get rid of Napoleon if the animals had been educated, however many of the animals do realize that there is something very wrong with what Napoleon is doing, but choose to put their trust in him. And I don't believe its because they are smarter, its because after the abuse they went through with farmer Jones they refuse to believe another animal could ever treat them that way. 
2. For example, when the pigs begin all walking on two legs, every animal instinctively knows there is something very very wrong with this, but they still do nothing. They are shocked by this beyond belief, and though every on of them knows that they should do something, the animals sit still. They don't believe that the pigs would betray them like this. 
3. While I disagree somewhat, I do still wonder if the animals would do if they had been educated well. Whats your take on this?]]> 2020-12-15 15:17:46 UTC https://padlet.com/mmccourt5/75u8p6kj4w32y0w8/wish/1020315180 Kiera Michigan https://padlet.com/mmccourt5/75u8p6kj4w32y0w8/wish/1020322949 @Ryan 
1. I agree with your claim, Napoleon did create power to become stronger. He did use his power in the wrong ways. 
2.  I would say this happened in the novel when he turned everyone against Snowball. Snowball came up with the windmill idea but Napoleon was against it. He chased Snowball away with dogs. After that they decided to build the windmill after all and all the bad things that happened on the farm, Snowball was to blame. 
3. Do you think the animals would try to get power from Napoleon if they were educated?]]> 2020-12-15 15:19:18 UTC https://padlet.com/mmccourt5/75u8p6kj4w32y0w8/wish/1020322949 Lindsey Ludwig lludwig24 https://padlet.com/mmccourt5/75u8p6kj4w32y0w8/wish/1020326064 @Emily 
 I  agree that Napoleon misused his power which caused a domination of power. Napoleon would manipulate the other animals into thinking the pigs were better because of their intelligence.  An example of this was shown throughout the novel when Napoleon would change the seven commandments for his benefit. None of the other animals would know it would change, they were just told they remembered it wrong because they couldn't read. I wonder if the animals would have spoken up if they caught one of the pigs changing the rules, or were they be too scared of the pig's power?]]> 2020-12-15 15:19:53 UTC https://padlet.com/mmccourt5/75u8p6kj4w32y0w8/wish/1020326064 Jin Shin https://padlet.com/mmccourt5/75u8p6kj4w32y0w8/wish/1020329246 @Lexi
1. I agree with your response because as soon as Napoleon was in power, he started to become corrupt.
2.  The author makes it clear that Napoleon has become corrupt when he starts to break the commandments.  "Since Jones left, no animal had killed another animal" (Orwell 85). This quote shows Napoleon's corruption of power by comparing his ways to Jones' old way of the farm.
3. Why do you think that Napoleon's quick rise to power led to corruption?

]]> 2020-12-15 15:20:30 UTC https://padlet.com/mmccourt5/75u8p6kj4w32y0w8/wish/1020329246 Sarah Argiropoulos sargiropoulos24 https://padlet.com/mmccourt5/75u8p6kj4w32y0w8/wish/1020332486 @Jayna
1. I agree with the claim you made, suggesting that the quote insinuated that the animals were becoming just as corrupt as the men. The power hungry tendencies that the men had were definitely evident in the pigs and how they decided to lead.  Orwell was definitely trying to make a point that the animals had backfired their plans into building a system almost exact to what commonly happened in the human world.

2. Inequality is rampant and extremely evident in the lives of humans, and the animals on the farm completely mimicked this. They created several unjust instances where another group was better off. An example is when Napoleon's leadership started taking a turn as a dictatorship. After mentioning the incredible amounts of respect Napoleon had earned (not by his own doing), the author writes, "It had become usual to give Napoleon the credit for every successful achievement and every stroke of good fortune" (Orwell 93). 

3. Why did the animals turn out this way when they all knew what they sought after? Could things have ended differently? Were the pigs the only ones vulnerable to doing this to their 'comrades'?]]> 2020-12-15 15:21:09 UTC https://padlet.com/mmccourt5/75u8p6kj4w32y0w8/wish/1020332486 Emily Fierst https://padlet.com/mmccourt5/75u8p6kj4w32y0w8/wish/1020336934 @ Lindsey
1. I agree with your claim that Napoleon and Squealer have the most power compared to all of the other animals and I feel that Boxer also had a lot of value to his work and ethics.
2. An example of this is when Boxer uses his last few breaths to work on the windmill.  Instead of resting and trying to get better, he decided to work harder.  This clearly shows that Boxer would make a great leader.
3. I wonder if the pigs have never risen to power, would Boxer have been the leader?]]> 2020-12-15 15:22:02 UTC https://padlet.com/mmccourt5/75u8p6kj4w32y0w8/wish/1020336934 Mia Rauffer mrauffer24 https://padlet.com/mmccourt5/75u8p6kj4w32y0w8/wish/1020341991 @Lexi
1. I agree that Napoleon fits the statement of how power can corrupt people. Napoleon uses his power to manipulate and trick the rest of the farm.
2. Another example of how he abused his power was when killed the animals that were conspiring with Snowball. He used fear to get the animals to do what he wanted, all while telling them that he was there to protect the farm. 
3. What do you think would've happened if Snowball had never been chased out of the farm? Would he have also been corrupted?

]]> 2020-12-15 15:23:01 UTC https://padlet.com/mmccourt5/75u8p6kj4w32y0w8/wish/1020341991 Dennise Hernandez-Zuniga dzuniga24 https://padlet.com/mmccourt5/75u8p6kj4w32y0w8/wish/1020346797 @Bella
1.  I agree with your claim that the pigs emphasize rank and power, so they can transform the farm into a dictatorship. 
2. Through out the beginning of the book Napoleon would always find some way to disagree with Snowball. So when he saw a chance to get rid of his he took it. With Snowball now gone he wouldn't have anyone to compete with for the title of leader. 
3. I wonder if the pigs didn't emphasize power as much as they do, would all the animals be better off than they are right now. ]]> 2020-12-15 15:23:59 UTC https://padlet.com/mmccourt5/75u8p6kj4w32y0w8/wish/1020346797 Catherine Feliz cfeliz24 https://padlet.com/mmccourt5/75u8p6kj4w32y0w8/wish/1020368040 @Rowan
1. I agree with your claim on how people or in this case, animals can turn on you and change the way they act. Napoleon defiantly changed from how he was in the beginning of the book once he got power over the farm.
2. When he was still kinda new to leading the farm, he made himself seem that he was a good leader and that he would do anything for the animals. Based on Boxer's other motto, "Napoleon is always right"(Orwell 56), it shows that the animals really did believe he was a great animal. Throughout the time he's in charge, they start to see him change, like when the slaughtered the animals that were in connection to Snowball, they realized that he isn't as great as they thought.
3. Do you think if Snowball was there, the pigs would or wouldn't turn on them?]]> 2020-12-15 15:28:14 UTC https://padlet.com/mmccourt5/75u8p6kj4w32y0w8/wish/1020368040 Summer Jenssen sjenssen24 https://padlet.com/mmccourt5/75u8p6kj4w32y0w8/wish/1020377633 @Anthony
1. I agree that Squealer, Napoleon, and the pigs were very obsessed with titles and ranks. However, I disagree when you say that the animals on the farm didn’t care about these ranks or titles. 
2. For example, when Napoleon’s title, “our leader, Comrade Napoleon.” is introduced, the animals are very enthusiastic about it. The pigs even invent additional titles for him, such as the “Terror of mankind” or “Protector of the Sheep-Fold.” It’s very clear that they support him being given those titles, and when an animal dies they do hold ceremonies. Its made clear that they value them very much in the beginning, before things start to devolve. 
3. On the topic of the Animal hero award bestowed upon the dead animals at ceremonies, do you think boxer should have received one?

]]> 2020-12-15 15:30:11 UTC https://padlet.com/mmccourt5/75u8p6kj4w32y0w8/wish/1020377633 Kiera Michigan https://padlet.com/mmccourt5/75u8p6kj4w32y0w8/wish/1020378331 @Lindsey
1.  I agree with Lindsey's claim. Napoleon and Squealer had to much power over the animals and Boxer was the noblest and most worthy animal. 
2. I agree with the example "I will work harder" that's what I would've put down too. He would always say that and try to motivate other animals. He was the hardest worker out of everyone. He was also very loyal to all the animals including Napoleon and Squealer.  He wasn't educated so he didn't know that Napoleon was not loyal. 
3. I wonder what would happen if Boxer lead the animals to over through Napoleon with his loyalty and determination, do you think they would they win?


]]> 2020-12-15 15:30:20 UTC https://padlet.com/mmccourt5/75u8p6kj4w32y0w8/wish/1020378331 Emily Fierst https://padlet.com/mmccourt5/75u8p6kj4w32y0w8/wish/1020396420 @Colby
1. I agree with the statement that Boxer's death was tragic because he was brought into the hands of humans to get better, but in the end he was killed.  This makes the animals feel like they cannot trust any human.
2. Another example of this is when Farmer Jones didn't even feed the animals.  The animals felt betrayed by their owner and felt that they could no longer trust humans.  However, towards the end of the novel they were forced to trust the humans to give Boxer the care he needs, but for the second time, they were betrayed.
3. I wonder if the humans ended up saving Boxer, would the animals begin to trust the humans more?]]> 2020-12-15 15:33:54 UTC https://padlet.com/mmccourt5/75u8p6kj4w32y0w8/wish/1020396420 Ryan Brennan https://padlet.com/mmccourt5/75u8p6kj4w32y0w8/wish/1020402527 @Anthony
1. I agree with your claim that Napoleon and Squealer were obsessed with ranks and titles because they would be ignored by the others if they didn't have ranks and titles.   
2. For example, when the other animals had their ration of food cut down when they were running low on food, the pigs still had their normal amount.  Since they had their "titles" the pigs were completely allowed to do this.  This event continued the lesser treatment of the other animals, since they only cared about themselves.  
3. I wounder how the farm would have been different if everyone was treated equally. Would it have lasted longer?]]> 2020-12-15 15:35:06 UTC https://padlet.com/mmccourt5/75u8p6kj4w32y0w8/wish/1020402527 Rowan Lapp rlapp24 https://padlet.com/mmccourt5/75u8p6kj4w32y0w8/wish/1020413142 @ Sarah

1) i agree with what you said because there is manipulation and things that go on behind the scenes. Napoleon was making himself look worse and more manipulative by doing this and I think the animals started to notice 

2)An example of this is when he killed all the animals, they went and checked the commandments and it had been changed to not killing animals unless there was reason. When in the beginning there was just no killing animals. He was just making himself look worse and was manipulating the animals to the point its not good anymore and was just causing more problems for himself.

3)Do you think that if the commandments had not been changed that the animals would have looked at them and then over threw napoleon? or that they would have kept him there because he was the one they trusted and maybe would still think he was the good guy?]]> 2020-12-15 15:37:17 UTC https://padlet.com/mmccourt5/75u8p6kj4w32y0w8/wish/1020413142 Lexi Young https://padlet.com/mmccourt5/75u8p6kj4w32y0w8/wish/1020413720 @Ryan
1. I agree with your claim that the quote is applicable to the text. That Napoleon wanted power so he could become stronger.
2. Another example is when he used the dogs and force to get what he wanted. This scared the animals and showed how Napoleon just wanted all the power.
3. What do you think the farm would be like if Napoleon didn't become so corrupt?]]> 2020-12-15 15:37:25 UTC https://padlet.com/mmccourt5/75u8p6kj4w32y0w8/wish/1020413720 Sarah Argiropoulos sargiropoulos24 https://padlet.com/mmccourt5/75u8p6kj4w32y0w8/wish/1020430299 @Bella
1. I completely agree with your claim: emphasizing tradition,  ceremony, and rank enabled the pigs into dictatorship. This is true because every time Squealer mentioned Napoleon's highness, it gave the animals a reason to not say a word. I also agree that these frequently mentioned components of dictatorship meant much more to the pigs than the animals.
2. Another example of this is when guard dogs were brought to protect Napoleon. Obviously the pigs and himself thought of him to be godly, and bringing dogs to protect him from anything as small as disagreeing he thought was needed.
3. I wonder that if any other animal had become a leader, would they have also turned dictator-esque and cared about their own ranking as much as the pigs?]]> 2020-12-15 15:40:38 UTC https://padlet.com/mmccourt5/75u8p6kj4w32y0w8/wish/1020430299 Lindsey Ludwig lludwig24 https://padlet.com/mmccourt5/75u8p6kj4w32y0w8/wish/1020433385 @Kiera
I agree that the most tragic part of his death was that they thought he was getting help. I also agree that Squealers is also to blame for the death and that Napoleon got rid of him because he was unneeded. An example of this was shown when Napoleon killed other animals for saying they were still in contact with Snowball and Squealers agreed with him. This proves that Napoleon doesn't care about the animals, he only care about them if they benefit him. I wonder if Napoleon was planning on this to help the animals realize how bad the humans were because they killed Boxer?
 ]]> 2020-12-15 15:41:14 UTC https://padlet.com/mmccourt5/75u8p6kj4w32y0w8/wish/1020433385 Emily Fierst https://padlet.com/mmccourt5/75u8p6kj4w32y0w8/wish/1020447747 @Mia
1. I agree with your claim because the pigs ascended so quickly because they were seen as a threat.
2. Another example of this is when the pigs don't have to follow the 7 commandments.  No one opposes this because they are scared.
3. I wonder if the animals came together, would they have the courage to stand up to the pigs?]]> 2020-12-15 15:44:02 UTC https://padlet.com/mmccourt5/75u8p6kj4w32y0w8/wish/1020447747 Catherine Feliz cfeliz24 https://padlet.com/mmccourt5/75u8p6kj4w32y0w8/wish/1020457145 @Kiera
1. I agree with how Boxer's death is tragic and why Napoleon and Squealer are to blame for it, they were the ones to send him away and lie to the animals about it all. I also agree with that Orwell's message on how the reason they got rid of Boxer was because he was no use to him anymore since he didn't benefit them.
2. The example you used on how the animals thought he was getting help when in reality he was sent off to be slaughtered really showed how tragic the event was. They wanted the best for him, but once they realized that he was going to get killed, they saw how Napoleon tricked them and how he feels about the other animals.]]> 2020-12-15 15:45:48 UTC https://padlet.com/mmccourt5/75u8p6kj4w32y0w8/wish/1020457145 Summer Jenssen sjenssen24 https://padlet.com/mmccourt5/75u8p6kj4w32y0w8/wish/1020462123 2020-12-15 15:46:43 UTC https://padlet.com/mmccourt5/75u8p6kj4w32y0w8/wish/1020462123 Ryan Brennan https://padlet.com/mmccourt5/75u8p6kj4w32y0w8/wish/1020470705 @Lexi
1. I agree with your claim that Napoleon became corrupt over the power he gained.  
2. Another example in the story of when this applied was when Napoleon would disagree with Snowball and blame him.  He had done this to make himself look better towards the other animals. His corruption stemmed from this since he was so hungry for power.
3. What do you think the outcome would be if Snowball was more like Napoleon?]]> 2020-12-15 15:48:19 UTC https://padlet.com/mmccourt5/75u8p6kj4w32y0w8/wish/1020470705 Kiera Michigan https://padlet.com/mmccourt5/75u8p6kj4w32y0w8/wish/1020472054 @Colby
1. I agree with your claim, I think it was also tragic because he was the most loyal animal out of all of them and then when he went to get "help"  he died. 
2. I agree with your example. The animals saw what was coming and so did Boxer which made it so tragic.  Also I agree with Squealer is also to blame because he knew the whole time what was going on. Although continued to say how hurt him and Napoleon were. Boxer was a huge part in animal farm but when he was useless they didn't need them even though he was so loyal. 
3. I wonder what would happen if the animals tried to help Boxer escape from the truck, would he still be alive. ]]> 2020-12-15 15:48:34 UTC https://padlet.com/mmccourt5/75u8p6kj4w32y0w8/wish/1020472054 Rowan Lapp rlapp24 https://padlet.com/mmccourt5/75u8p6kj4w32y0w8/wish/1020489665 @ Abbey 

1) I agree with what you said because he was there throughout the book just knowing that something was going to end up going wrong. He also knew that nothing was going to change and knew that not all the animals could be equal. 

2) An example of this is when he was the only one that understood what was actually happening to boxer. When the slaughter house truck came and picked him up, Benjamin knew that they had made a mistake doing that but he could not stop it in time. Since all the other animals thought that he was just going to get better they did not realize that they had made a mistake. 

3) Do you think that other people would have been able to stop it if they had been smart enough to see what was actually happening to boxer, other then Benjamin after he saw the truck?]]> 2020-12-15 15:51:44 UTC https://padlet.com/mmccourt5/75u8p6kj4w32y0w8/wish/1020489665 Dennise Hernandez-Zuniga dzuniga24 https://padlet.com/mmccourt5/75u8p6kj4w32y0w8/wish/1020504569 @ Lindsey 
1. I agree that napoleon and squealer had to much power over the animals but, ]]> 2020-12-15 15:54:39 UTC https://padlet.com/mmccourt5/75u8p6kj4w32y0w8/wish/1020504569 Mia Rauffer mrauffer24 https://padlet.com/mmccourt5/75u8p6kj4w32y0w8/wish/1020508116 @Emily
  1. I agree that the pigs ascended to power because they abused their power and manipulated the others into making the animals believe that they worked harder than them.
  2. An example of their manipulation can be seen throughout the book multiple times. One thing they commonly would do was take out papers and documents to show the others, claiming that they would work all day on them. Towards the end of the novel, Squealer goes on about how they would do paperwork all day. However, the papers clearly had random sentences written on them because they knew the other animals could barely read. They used their weakness to give themselves power, all while gaining their trust along the way.
  3. What do you think would have happened if Napoleon’s plan to chase Snowball out of the farm never worked? Would he have been tossed out himself, or would he have figured out another way to gain power on the farm? 
]]> 2020-12-15 15:55:21 UTC https://padlet.com/mmccourt5/75u8p6kj4w32y0w8/wish/1020508116 Lindsey Ludwig lludwig24 https://padlet.com/mmccourt5/75u8p6kj4w32y0w8/wish/1020862625 @Summer 
 I disagree that Benjamin would be the best fit for leadership. Although Benjamin is intelligent, Boxer is more loyal, and has a good work ethic. Boxer would often say, “I will work harder” (Orwell 29). This is important because it shows that no matter how difficult the battle will be he wouldn't give up on his people.  I wonder what would happen if Benjamin had stepped up to help over through Napoleon. Would they win? ]]> 2020-12-15 17:02:37 UTC https://padlet.com/mmccourt5/75u8p6kj4w32y0w8/wish/1020862625