-Initially Betsy's familty did not believe that Russ killed Betsy but were later convinced that he did it.

-There was an occasion where Pam got a phone call from Betsy's kid where Russ seemed very out of it and Mary had to call the police.

-Betsy's mom recalls a time where Russ said that he were in a fight he would "fight to kill"

-He would sometimes put a pillow over her face as a game where russ said "this is how its gonna feel like when yo died" according to Pam

-At first there were warm memories about Russ saying that he was a sweet guy who could never do such a thing

-Later there would be people speaking up to say that he was "A Pig", "Rude", " A guys guy".

- Some said that there was an anger in him that he could hide.

20 days after Russ was convicted, the trust Pam had opened for Betsys kids was drained.

Additional questions:

How does Russ feel during all of this? Yes we do hear a lot about him but we don't hear from him

Where are the daughters during all of this?

(0:43) when the narrator starts talking suspensful music starts playing

With sound and production, nothing is carried over from the last episode. It just starts as another episode.

(1:20) We hear Pam being sworn to tell the truth and nothing but the truth.

(1:34) A man is heard saying "You recall at that time that Betsy told you that she wanted her kids to have the money from the life insuarance policy" with Pam saying "I do not recall that, no."

So far they have the audio from the interrogation as the topic and they're breaking it down little by little while the narrator evaulates whats being said there compared to earlier on

(1:50) We get another audio clip of Pam talking saying that Betsy wanted her to give her daughters "some money" when they got older.

(2:20) They rewind the question asked earlier so they could bring up the trust fund

Another thing to point out is the music is still playing throughout all of this even during the audio clips of the interrogation which gives the feel of a documentary.

We find out that the money was actually taken out right after Russ was convicted

She said that she closed it due to her feelings being hurt after some things were said about her.

Joel heard about all of this and said "Manna from Heaven, the break he had been waiting for."

(4:04 The music that we've had since the beginning stops and the narrator introduces himself and the podcast so from that I see that that was just the introduction to this episode.)

• Joel felt that with this new evidence Russ could get another trial. Another second chance at freedom.

(4:57) The narrator states "In this episode we're going to dig into all that evidence" while he saying that new suspensful music thats slightly eerie starts playing. Introducing a new segment of the episode.

(6:00) We hear Pam trying to explain herself, also shes talking about the last phone call she had with Betsy

Through phone records at 7:20PM Pam called Betsys phone which raised eyebrows but Pam claimed that it was only to let Betsy know that she was home safe. But police say that with the timing of the call and of when she left it would've been impossible for her to already be home since it was a 30 minute trip. Cell tower data showed that she was no more than 3 miles away from the house or at the house. Around the time Betsy was stabbed to death.

After this the music stops and it cuts to ads.

Then the Narrator brings up something, the investagator giving Pam some advice and as that happens even more suspensful/eerie music starts playing beginning the next segment.

(9:00) We hear the investagator telling Pam to open up the trust as soon as possible go keep eyes off of her

(10:10) As narrator says "Who is Pam?" the music starts to go away. Im assuming that this is leading onto the next topic

She wrote a whole article about Pam even going back to her childhood.

We hear about Pam getting pregnant her senior year having to get married which didn't last long, later she'd marry Mark Hop. Which is around the time she met Betsy at State Farms Insuarance. Apparently she got more closer with Betsy when she got diagnosed with cancer which seemed out of character for her. She had an unknown charm that made people like her including the police and procecutor.

The judge comes back and says that Joel is right, the motion is granted, and the music gets happier. After that he went to go talk to Russ who was very happy to hear the good news.

It goes quiet and the Narrator tells us that the pictures taken of the kitchen where there was a blood trail was actually never there and the errie music starts to play again. Joel claims that the officer knew what he was doing so that the "evidence" would support their claim.

Now Russ was released and he would get a second trial. The Narrator introduces something else saying nobody would've guessed Pam's next move and the usual suspense music plays. They talk about a recording Pam had talking about Betsy. Saying that she was close with Betsy and that she replaced "what her husband would be" Showing that that Pam and Betsy were more than just friends, they were lovers?! The episode would end here.

Overall I am interested in this podcast serious as a whole and I've thought about it even when I'm not listening! I even told the lady who cut my hair about it.

Joel believes theres nothing Russ can say that'll hurt him.

A common thread I see is a specific group of people that we usually hear from in every episode. That being Joel, the narrator, and the producer. It sort of gives us the feeling of main characters that we expect to hear from.

I also see a common structure that they use where they first introduce evidence or reveal an audio clip and then talk about it and dig into the given information. Usually followed with music depending on the information and the mood it gives.