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Heather Paskis
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Do you think the general public knows about sheltered workshops and that they still exist?
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Christina Drechsel 6d
I do think that some families know about these available programs; however, many of the families do not. As a case manager, I also feel that I should better equip myself with the available workshops within the area that can help our students gain competitive employment. What I loved about the movie was when Naomi was offered a job within the beauty school. So many of our students enjoy helping others. They often want to do “hair” or work as a teacher. I wish I had better insight on ways to assist them in making their dreams happen.

pabarth 6d
I think the majority of the general public is aware of sheltered workshops in the area. Our students need to learn how to utilize their community facilities not only for their future interaction in/with the community but also to build relationships in a variety of settings. Many, many, many (if not all) of our students can be employed or volunteer in the community instead of being tucked away in a workshop type setting. This is a collective effort between families, students, school staff and agencies that provide service to our students after they leave our system. I do not want the general public to be comfortable with sheltered workshops at all.

Anonymous 6d
General public knows they exist but few know just how dismal they can be.

Jacqueline La Fave 6d
I do agree that many people are aware of sheltered workshops. I also believe individuals with intellectual disabilities who wish to be employed in a more public setting should be afforded the opportunity. Sheltered workshops do provide individuals who are not able or may not be comfortable working with the public an opportunity for employment.

Dominique Bowman 6d
I do believe that many people know that sheltered workshops still exist. I don't know that many people have seen them in action. We live in a world where we often seek opportunities to feel good about so we buy items from programs that "hire/serve" people with disabilities. It is also important to seek opportunities to include individuals in disabilities in our communities (businesses, schools, sports, etc.). Workshops may be okay for building a skill, but our goals should be to train (for a short period of time) in order to integrate in public settings. That is why Naomi's story is compelling, because she was able to train in a public setting and eventually be hired once her skills were developed.

mdmcmanus 6d
I feel that many of our families are aware of sheltered workshops, but I do not know if the general public is aware. Nothing made me more happier than seeing Naomi be able to getting a job and being paid the same wages as her peers. I fell we need to continue to education the general public about this.

srspecker 6d
I don't think the general public is aware of sheltered workshops. It seems that unless you work in the field, or have a family member or friend with a disability are you made aware of such programs. However, some agencies like Opportunity Enterprises has really evolved and has advertised for the community. They now have a store set up inside the Meijer in Valparaiso which is amazing! The community is gradually becoming more and more aware of these types of programs, but there can always be more that can be done.

Linda Green 6d
I think if know of them if they have some reason to know. Families touched by disabilities hopefully would know about them through the school district or perhaps a case worker for the disabled person.

sbcamel 6d
In most situations, I think only those who need to know about them, know about them. There are some larger sheltered workshops in the area that are more well-known, such as Opportunity Enterprises. However, I feel that this is rare. I'm not sure how many different sheltered workshops are as open to the public, either.

Mary Kelly 6d
Honestly, I believe that most of the general public are not aware of sheltered workshops. Unless the parents/families are involved or a teacher taps into the intelligence of their students, it is not something someone would generally embrace.

Wendy Baity 6d
I'm not sure if the majority of the general public knows about sheltered workshops. It might be a good idea to poll parents coming into the schools on the subject.

Sonja Vasic 6d
I don't think a lot of people are aware of that these workshops exist. People in the field may know but often times families aren't informed of these programs unless they are informed through the schools/insurance.

Dannette Daniels-Cole 6d
I believe that most of the public do not realize that sheltered workshops still exit. As a matter of fact I used to be employed as a social work at one of them in our area. I do recall that many of the clients that worked in the workshop setting received limited pay, however they produced a very quality product.l

Lorraine Wozniak 6d
I think that years ago, more people were aware of sheltered workshops than they are today. Thanks to the changes in the educational system (training, helping students find jobs, etc.) I think that students are now given opportunities to work in different places of employment (stores, restaurants, hotels, etc.) rather than in workshops. I feel that we need to work with employers and agencies to help our students be successful in the community. I wonder how many people in our area are aware of the SHARE foundation that advocates for other abled adults. These adults live in communities that help them develop their vocational and social skills.

Juliann Acevez 5d
Speaking from CM experience, most families that I have worked with do not have much knowledge about sheltered workshops. I agree with Jacqueline's comments in how these programs can provide a working environment that would bring comfort to both the student and parent as it more controlled environment than simply working in public. Any experience is good experience and it allows any individual to better their skill set.

mjgrenchik 5d
Marie Grenchik : It has been my experience that many places that having differently abled clients that live together know sheltered workshops. I used to work in one during the summer ...a few years back. it is generally funded by the small companies that need packaging . It is obvious we can use more places like that ! if an employer has a family member in their household, and they have some insight to what the needs are, perhaps they can open their company to some types of disabled people. example is the Burger King near Morton E. they have a young man sweeping the floors and cleaning off tables. Love it and compliment the staff every time I am there.

Noreen Arduino 5d
If a sheltered workshop is active in the community and informs the community of it's purpose, then the people living there support and understand the importance of the workshop.

Kathy Byers 5d
Over the years I have planned and promoted parent tours to EVERY agency in the surrounding area---even going as far as Valparaiso. Initially the turnout was very good. Over the years there has been a definite drop in parental interest. I think it is IMPERATIVE for parents to visit the sheltered setting BEFORE going about decision-making regarding the best "adult services fit". I think if they actually saw some settings they may be more apt to find out more about other options (community employment, developing a volunteer position, etc). My sister was involved in sheltered "work" at one point in Illinois. We lived in a rural town with not much of anything going on. My mom drove Susan 20 miles (one way) daily to a workshop in a larger town. The workshop provided so little stimulation that my dad told me one summer day that he was going to approach a restaurant owner in the area to hire Susan. I had worked at the restaurant and my family ate there frequently when I was young. He asked for my help. I developed the site and did some initial coaching in the summer and the people that worked with her KNEW her and provided ongoing coaching/support (again, small town). That was just the start for my dad as "promoter". Over the years he and I developed a volunteer site at a library about 20 miles away, a job at McDonald's in a larger town miles away. My mother was her job coach. Susan proudly wore the McDonald's visor for 8 yrs. (And a fresh Coke was never too far away. She probably would've worked there for free!)

Barbara Butcher 5d
I agree with most of these comments. Most people do not know that sheltered programs still exist. The uncertainty may stem from the states inconsistent financial support for many social services over the years. Considering how few workshops exist today, we have to begin to plan for the shrinking role our disabled students may play in the future work force. As the world moves forward with the automation of many manual labor jobs, even the need for our more functional students may dissipate. We may need to take the concept of these sheltered workshops and expand upon them to meet the evolving niches created by changing technology.

Kathy Byers 5d
Susan ultimately moved to Griffith to live with me. She had some volunteer positions (Headstart preschool asst, a very part-time position cleaning a church in Highland). She was employed at the Respite Care office when it was in Hammond. After a few years I referred her to VR. She received Supported Employment services and Susan was back at a McDonald's, this time on Kennedy Ave. in Hammond. She moved from my home to a group home until she was eligible for Waiver services. She then moved to a home she shared with one other young lady, still working at McD's. With the decline in her health/ abilities, a few years later she moved to a Crown Point apt. with two other ladies and ultimately to an apt with one other lady who also had lots of needs and pretty much total care.

Kathy Byers 5d
During Susan's final years she received day programming with OE at their Lakeside location until she no longer benefited. She continued to live in her apartment with her housemate and received some in-home services provided by Hospice of the Calumet Area. Hospice actually provided training to Susan's staff so they would know how to care for her in her final weeks. Susan had a bird named PaPa and wonderful caregivers through Respite Care Services.

Anonymous 5d
I think some people in the general public especially older individuals would know what structured workshops are. Before public education was made available to individuals with intellectual disabilities they would go to an alternative school or workshop to learn a job. A friend I went to college with had an uncle with Down Syndrome and all of his siblings went to public school and a bus picked him up for a workshop during the same school hours in the 1960s he would refer to it as going to work. I think the younger general public would not be aware of it unless they worked with people or knew someone who is currently working in a structured workshop.

emilymoller555 4d
I would have to say that most people do not know about these types of workshops or programs. I think that if you have a family member with a disability, know someone with a disability, or work in the medical or special education fields you are more likely to have heard about these workshops and are aware of how they can be helpful or hindering to individuals with disabilities.

Kelly Patterson-Koval 4d
I think most people do not realize sheltered workshops and programs exist. If you're a family not in need or if you don't work in a related field...out of sight, out of mind.

jjvelazquez 4d
I don't think most people (general public) know about sheltered workshops for adults with an Intellectual Disability (ID). If they don't have an adult family member who has an ID or work with students/adults with an ID, more than likely they don't know about sheltered workshops for adults with an ID. The first time I learned about sheltered workshops for adults with an ID was when I was 20 years old and working at a group home where one of the guys, Joe, went to a sheltered workshop. He was long over due to move from the children's home, to an adult apartment (with roommate and caregivers), and work at the sheltered workshop. I had the opportunity to take him to his new work place and show him what he would be doing (I assume) for the rest of his life. I remember thinking, "wow, this seems pretty depressing, but at least he will have an activity/work to do everyday." That was the ONLY time in my life, I saw that sheltered workshops existed. I never came across them again, or gave thought about it after that. Even when I became a special ed teacher. I taught mostly students with a learning disability in middle school, and didn't think twice about the sheltered workshops. As a special education educator and case manager, I haven't had to come across working with people who could eventually end up at a sheltered workshop. In looking at the video, I didn't realize those working in a sheltered workshop weren't getting paid a decent wage! I don't how much money Joe was paid per hour, those 20 years ago. I can only hope this was an isolated case in Rhode Island, but I'm educated (now) to understand this is probably the norm. Therefore, I don't think most people know sheltered workshops exist, and if they do, they probably think just like I did at 20 years old. How do we find out what individuals make at these sheltered workshops?

Michelle Sanders 3d
I do believe that those who are in the community with disabled persons are aware of shelltered workshops. I don't think that the general public is so aware of the sheltered workshops because they are not advertised very much outside the communities that use them.

Lucy Somers 41m
No, I do not think the general public knows about sheltered workshops in their area or that they still exist. Unless you have a family member with an Intellectual Disability or in the field, this information is not readily available or advertised to the general public.
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What are some ways that individuals expressed their intelligence in the film?

Heather Paskis
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What are some ways that individuals expressed their intelligence in the film?
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Christina Drechsel 6d
Many of the individuals expressed their intelligence with their communication through art, their family, their friends, or helping others. I have to admit, I teared up a few times due to this is precisely what our students deserve; ways to show their intelligence beyond a number of a grade, intelligence test, or score.

pabarth 6d
Every individual in the video expressed their personalities -- social and relationship desires, artistic abilities, money skills. Other expressions were acceptance, individuality and the desire to excel with support!

gagood 6d
In the video, the individuals expressed their intelligence more through the definition of multiple intelligences than by what is measured by a traditional IQ test. There are 8 different potential pathways to learning using the multiple intelligence model. In the video we saw examples of Naieer expressing his intelligence through pictures (his art) and Micah used several different intelligences- words, self reflection, social, and logic. I agree Christina, I would like to see a greater opportunity and more focus on our students' strengths and learning styles to be able to demonstrate their intelligence beyond an IQ score.

Jacqueline La Fave 6d
I enjoyed watching the students in the film express their abilities through art, socialization with others, as well as compassion and a desire for community. I was really touched by Naomi's story!

Dominique Bowman 6d
Many of the students demonstrated their intelligence through their actions and social abilities. Naieer was able to express himself through his art mainly. Naomi was able to bring warmth and kindness to those around her and seemed more comfortable expressing herself through actions (touch, musicality, and helping others). Micah seemed to be able to use multiple forms of intelligence. He is was able to express his thoughts and ideas verbally, as well as, assess and navigate interpersonal and intrapersonal relationships.

emcox 6d
Some of the ways the students expressed their intelligence by displaying their talents in the following ways: painting, culinary arts, joining social groups, joining vocational programs. It was great to see Micah's family support him in being an advocate for himself and allowing him to have control over his benefits and finances. His self-advocacy, determination to finish his studies, and balance of social life was inspiring! I thought it was so cute that Micah brought his girlfriend's mother flowers and asked permission to post their picture on Facebook.

mdmcmanus 6d
This movie was amazing at showing the student's intelligence though art, helping other, though the culinary arts, though communication , teaching other, and being able to assist others. Micah really impressed me at the end of the moving being able to public speak and to teach others about student's with disabilities.

srspecker 6d
The individuals in the film all have their own unique strengths. Naoemi exhibited a passion for her work. She was a hard worker and extremely motivated. Her personality was so genuine and warm. You could see the joy that she brought to those around her. Micah also had many strengths. He had wonderful social skills. I was impressed that he responded so well to his girlfriends' parents asking him who he wanted to be the next president. He remembered his team member telling him to avoid religion and politics. He was also great at communicating. He was focused and determined. He was a strong advocate for himself, and expressed interest in encouraging his girlfriend to advocate for herself as well. I can't remember the other young man's name, but he had great strengths in Art and expressing himself through his creativity. He was also highly motivated to pursue his goals.

Tricia Hill 6d
In the video intelligence was expressed in a wide variety of ways. Art was showcased by Naieer, communication by all three, social intelligence by all three. They each used social intelligence/communication in advocating for themselves, developing relationships, and pursuing educational opportunities. All three of them also displayed emotional intelligence in using determination and strength to push through adversity and challenges in achieving their goals. They and their families are very inspiring.

Rachel Wietbrock 6d
Naieer had an incredible level of social skills, found other ways to communicate his passions, and thrived with his art.

sbcamel 6d
Through art as well as avenues of social and emotional intelligence. All of the students showed incredible effort and dedication in their studies. When first identifying students with disabilities, parents will often ask what this means for their future. I always telling parents that the disability isn't going to define their child - it's their level of effort and motivation that will determine what their outcome will be!

Linda Green 6d
Some expressed their intelligence through social skills, some through art, some through determination and drive to succeed. You can not judge a book by its cover!

Wendy Baity 6d
Drawing, painting, self-advocacy and completing tasks are some of the ways the individuals showed their intelligence. They also showed their intelligence by interacting with people other than their families or other familiar people.

Mary Kelly 6d
The trades...we all rely on the service industry. I was impressed at the end of this movie with Naieer's work and his passion for art...expression in his head and heart. Micah was determined to show his independence and a successful outcome with a stronge base of support. It was enlightening to see his parents step aside and his sister step forward to give him the life he is living.

Sonja Vasic 6d
The film showcased individuals expressing their intelligence through Art, independence through daily tasks, becoming responsible for themselves legally, graduating college with the help of on campus programs/support groups, and participating in sheltered programs that lead to internships/part time jobs.

Mary Wagner 6d
The individuals in the video were able to express their intellect in a variety of ways. Some students expressed their creative intellect through their art forms. Others demonstrated their intellect through their problem solving, social skills, and openness to relationships. Expression of intellect was also demonstrated through their sense of humor and the cues they picked up from their environment. The video demonstrated that intellect can be presented in a variety of forms. It also supports what we already know - that our student always reflect more than the scores on our standardized assessments.

Dannette Daniels-Cole 6d
The individuals in the film expressed their intellect in many ways. They were kind and loving, they enjoyed the arts and culture of the community in which they lived. They participated in community services and they were gainfully employed. They accepted the love and support of their families and local organizations that provided them with assistance as needed. They also displayed their independence.

Deanne Hilvert 6d
The individuals in the film each expressed their intelligence in their own way, which is true for most people. Naieer expressed his intelligence through his artistic expression. Micah and Naomie expressed their intelligence through social and emotional ways. They each demonstrated the ability to form strong relationships with various social skills. They demonstrated their intelligence by being as independent as possible and problem solving, as well as by contributing to their schools and communities.

Lorraine Wozniak 6d
The individuals in the video expressed their intelligence through their artistic talent, interactions with others, and ability to manage their own services (budget, checklists, etc.). I thought it was interesting that the individuals in the video were supported by consultants, monthly circle of support meetings or social capital meetings. At these meetings, the individuals were able to share their thoughts, plan for their future, and help themselves find a job-all areas giving them the opportunity to express their intelligence.

Juliann Acevez 5d
First if all, Naieer, Micah, and Naomie have amazing families who clearly have supported them throughout their life! There is no way that these 3 people would not be where they are without the support of their families. Naieer expressed himself through his paintings of art and poems of thought. Micah expressed himself through confidence, advocating for himself, and commitment to further his education. Naomie expressed herself through her determination to learn any task given to her. She expressed her emotions with a smile and social skills.

mjgrenchik 5d
Marie Grenchik: These clients are truly supported by their families. I am sure it took a long time to build up to this but it is clear that the art teacher took extra time and used extra patience to work this his student. I am thinking he is a teacher that is living his dream. Micah was able to articulate his hopes and desires. He was aware of him self being different from other kids, but with the right encouragement from teachers, parents and the students themselves made him a whole person. He has guidance from supportive staff. esp. when it comes to his relationships. and Naomi needed more assistance but finding her a job that lets her socialize, and allows her to work is a great gift. she seems like she needs a little more assistance but ..has the family support.

Juleon Meredith 5d
What a lovely film! Each individual had their own way of expressing their intelligence. Naieer's expression of individuality was displayed through his heightened intellectual ability to create with color, depth, and drawing. Naieer also displayed an awareness of self, his abilities and his flaws. Naomi's expression of intelligence was through her communication and social skills. Naomi displayed an infectious positive connection with people. Her smile and enthusiasm to invite and create positive energy into her space showed as a skill that is unique to her and her abilities to connect. Micah displayed such a diplomatic awareness of self and his abilities. His intelligence was expressed by his language, knowledge of the world and his environment. He has certainly mastered the skill of self advocacy.

Noreen Arduino 5d
The individuals expressed their intelligence through their work ethic, their creativeness, and their social effectiveness. Their parents were all very supportive and advocated for them, from the beginning. The parents and siblings were the reason these individuals were able to strive to become positive members of their communities. Micah was very knowledgeable of the world, and also, what is right and what is wrong. Naoni was a hard worker who enjoyed people. Naieer was the creative force and very focused on his craft. He was a perfectionist. All three knew what they wanted out of life.

Barbara Butcher 5d
The students in the video were allowed to choose their own paths based on their own interests. There was no judgement or influence, just open dialogue that encouraged them to find their voice. They were empowered by the many support systems at home, school and in the community. It was very cool to see how excited Naieer got about the next level of art that he was about to embark upon. These students were very lucky that someone just didn't sit them down and burden them by focusing on all of their limitations. Instead, the discussions were all about opportunities to explore the many facets of their passion.

emilymoller555 4d
In this film each person expressed their intelligence in a way that was unique them. They used art, taking college courses and graduating, taking legal responsibility for their life, completing work tasks, and building relationships as a way to showcase their intelligence.

Kelly Patterson-Koval 4d
Each person highlighted in this film demonstrated their intelligence in multiple ways. Perseverance, advocating for one's self, taking pride in their work, continuing to work with and to seek input from others, a desire and willingness to learn and an appreciation when goals are accomplished. The drive to work hard and succeed. Just imagine what society could be like if more people had these types of intelligence.

Michelle Sanders 3d
Individuals expressed their intelligence in many ways. Some expressed their expertise through academia, while others expressed their high abilities through work and money skills, through artistic abilities, through sports, and through interpersonal relationships. They all varied, but they all showed how being well-rounded is what intelligence actually is. They demonstrated perseverance and a good work ethic in school and at work as well as with their family members and peers.

Yvonne Nohos 19h
Each student/adult expressed their intelligence in his/her own way. Micah's strongest intelligence is interpersonal. He communicates with his roommate, parents, sister, professors, and peers, in face-to-face interactions, texting, phone calls, an social media. He appears confident about making his own decisions related to his education, living situation, job search, and social situations. Naieer's main intelligence is visual-spatial. He has a definite gift for 2D art and will be introduced to 3D art. He sees and recognizes specific colors and shapes and is shown to be visibly upset when the color is not what he wants. Although Naomie does not appear to be as verbal as Micah, it seems as though her main intelligence is also interpersonal. She smiles and gives high fives. She responds using one or two words. Her face lights up when she sees familiar people. She follows the step by step instructions and smiles when she is successful.

Lucy Somers 34m
In the film, individuals expressed their intelligence by demonstrating their personal strengths while engaging with others. Some of the strengths highlighted in the documentary were artistic ability, building social relationships with others at school/work, engaging in conversational exchanges, money exchange, participating in organized sports.
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Do you think IQ testing results in a self-fulfilling prophecy for individuals with disabilities?

Heather Paskis
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Christina Drechsel 6d
I do not believe IQ testing is a self-fulfilling prophecy. Everyone can learn. I also believe that the brain is constantly growing; how can we say that someone may never learn a certain skill? As educators, we say to get better at reading, one needs to practice; why is not not correlated with other areas or skills. I do think it is important that the more information we have about a student, IQ score, etc. does help us make informed decisions about teaching strategies to help support students. I also think that is imperative that we begin to think about a child’s future early on to determine what career skills or independent living skills need to be taught for adulthood. I.e. if a student plans to live alone (like Micah) we need to know the pathway to help with managing their living needs to the greatest extent possible like he is today.

pabarth 6d
I do not believe IQ tests result in a self fulfilling prophecy. We all have the desire to excel and not be told that we are this or that label. Concerning our students, it is more beneficial to gather information from student, family, staff for an accurate profile and then build on that profile to achieve desired goals for the students future.

Jacqueline La Fave 6d
I do not believe in the rationale that IQ testing results in a self-fulfilling prophecy for students with Intellectual disabilities. If anything, most individuals with intellectual disabilities are blissfully unaware that they are any different from their peers. Typically these individuals are more outgoing and take part in challenging opportunities because teachers and parents praise them and celebrate even the small successes!

cjanthony 6d
I think as educators we know that the expectations we set for children can determine an outcome. This is true for IQ testing. If you tell a young impressionable mind that this is your potential, and they trust that you are giving them good information, they will take the expectation at face value and rise to that level of expectation. I sit at conferences and the most determining factor as to whether a child meets an expectation is if all the people, especially the parent, around the table think they can. We have to do better at setting high expectations for all of our students.

Dominique Bowman 6d
All of our students have the ability to learn. The IQ score should not determine how we teach or how much we teach. Oftentimes, when we receive students in our classrooms we don't know their IQ score. We know what category their test results fell in if they are labeled or placed in a "class for...," but oftentimes when student walked into my classroom I didn't know the results of intelligence testing. At the high school level, these tests had been completed long before I met the student. It was my job to quickly learn about their learning styles and their hopes and dreams for themselves. It was my job to determine what the family's expectations were and to build upon this information. It was my job to prepare them for life. Their IQ no longer mattered. Unfortunately, I have met families and educators who did not see things that way. They saw the IQ and felt that I worked too hard because these student's will "never be able to learn that or live alone." Many of my students worked hard because I worked hard. They didn't see themselves as unable to do something because of their IQ so why should I.

emcox 6d
I do not believe IQ testing results in a self-fulfilling prophecy for individuals with intellectual disabilities. After all it's just a number-like our age! I think that if educators and parents constantly tell them that they have a low IQ then it will manifest into self-fulling prophecy. Otherwise, they will naturally have the same motivation and determination as their 'typical' peers. Ultimately its up to parents and educators to support these individuals succeed to the best of their abilities. And they all have abilities worthy of fostering!

mdmcmanus 6d
I do not believe that IQ testing is a self-fulfilling prophecy. I feel that all students are able to learn. This is why when testing a students we need to look at many other factors. We cannot just look at IQ alone. As an educator, it is their job to determine how the student learns and how to present the content to them. I feel like it is very important to create that team for the student made up of teachers, administrators , and special educators to start the discussion of the future. This way we can make sure to help the student reach their goals.

Kristine Frato 6d
Unfortunately I witness people and teachers responding to a label or disability category first when hearing about a new student they may be getting in their classroom instead of waiting to meet and getting to know the child first. An IQ score gives you a snapshot of an individual, and people are more than a number.

srspecker 6d
I think that the idea of IQ testing being like a self-fulfilling prophecy depends. I think that the influence that the students' team has as well as the students' families is much more influential than the IQ score. If the student is supported by their team and family and always encouraged and supported it will not become a self-fulfilling prophecy. It also depends on how it is presented to the student.

Tricia Hill 6d
I think the IQ results are self-fulfilling if allowed to be by the educational staff and family of the student. I have seen this to be the case in our own schools, at times, but I have also seen parents and staff be very strong advocates for students with intellectual disabilities and to encourage and push them to achieve as much as possible. We definitely have much room to grow in providing opportunities and experiences for those students in our school system. Sometimes the key is simply to find the mode of communication that works for the individual to tap into his/her interests and passions.

sbcamel 6d
Not necessarily. However, I do feel that students are often treated differently and the expectations aren't always as high once students are identified. This can lead to seeing less than what could have been possible from students.

Linda Green 6d
I hope not. As we know, not everyone, even with equivalent potentials take tests equally. Some of us are better at that skill than others. I do feel that many are judged by the value of the IQ test. I remember a teacher many years ago referring to her students (resource - LD/MI) students as 'mildly 🤬!" I believe that there are many that make this same judgement without knowledge of the student or all the other factors that make up true potential.

Wendy Baity 6d
I do not believe that IQ testing results in self-fulfilling prophecy for individuals with intellectual disabilities. Many have succeeded in life despite a disability.

Mary Kelly 6d
Unfortunately, that is happening in society today.

Sonja Vasic 6d
Depending on that individual's support group and those that are educating and helping them, it can unfortunately become a self-fulfilling prophecy. If one's IQ score is solely used to determine the level of skills an individual has and sets an expectation for them, then they will not work toward the things they are told they cannot do. However, with a supportive education and family, an individual's success in education and life can exceed expectations set by a standardized test.

Dannette Daniels-Cole 6d
I do not feel that IQ testing results is a self-fulfilling prophecy for individuals with intellectual disabilities, but I do believe that they are often labeled a certain way in many educational settings. They can and do reach their full potential if they self advocate or have the support of others that will advocate for them.

Juliann Acevez 5d
I think IQ scores could lead to a self fulfilling prophecy. The only way to counteract that is with support from family, some self confidence and motivation. I personally think that many students not just special education student being evaluated feel the weight of being judged by a number...their GPA, their PSAT/SAT score, did they pass the ISTEP, IREAD, etc. I believe every child can learn but the labeling of a student with these numbers can lead to road blocks.

mjgrenchik 5d
Marie Grenchik: Oh yes, I do. I think we all start out wanting them to be the higher than they are, but if the numbers prove them to be low, we do not set the standard high enough. at times I feel that some of our goals we put in our IEP's are too high for their abilities and then there are times that we don't expect much and don't raise the bar. we need to be teaching more LIFE SKILLS. we know that one of the most important things in life is social skills... it affects everything..our personal relationships, our jobs, our family and all the people we have to deal with (doctors, store clerks etc) and we do not provide that to our students.

Noreen Arduino 5d
Everyone has different learning styles. An IQ test just shows that some people test better than others. We saw in the documentary, that a 40 IQ does not necessarily mean a person should be tossed to the wayside. We have to look at the person, and figure out what their strengths are and take that to the next level.

Barbara Butcher 5d
Sadly, I think that IQ testing can be a self-fulfilling prophecy at times. We have to be careful when interpreting test results to parents by keeping things in perspective. We had a conference not long ago and I told the father that his son was "average" in terms of intelligence. The father was really taken back. In his eyes, his son was absolutely amazing and so to hear someone say "no he is just in the middle" was really hard for him. Even after Kelly and I explained how young his son was and how assessments were data-driven snapshots that don't always encompass the whole picture, he never got past the IQ. It was sad. On the other hand I had a high school student whose IQ was in the 120's and he told everyone that would listen how brilliant he was. He made the worst choices and I always felt that the consequences didn't really matter to him. In his eyes, his superior intelligence was going to magically open the right doors for him. Obviously, that was not the case.

emilymoller555 4d
While I do not want to believe that IQ tests are self-fulfilling prophecies, unfortunately our society has taken to holding standardized test scores as higher or more important than one's social or functional skills. Depending on the environment or beliefs of those working with the individual, an IQ test score can become a self-fulfilling prophecy. Certain people will see the score and incorrectly assume that it has direct correlation with an individual's determination, social skills, or overall quality of life. More people need to view this film and help others - everyone - understand that it is simply one test score, one small snapshot of a person that does not tap into one's true potential. If schools or organizations insist on having a student with a disability complete and IQ test, they should interpret that score with extreme caution. We all should be given the opportunity to express our intelligence in a way that is meaningful to us, challenged or pushed to meet our goals, and encouraged find our passion.

Kelly Patterson-Koval 4d
Unfortunately I do think IQ testing can lead to a self-fulfilling prophecy for some individuals. I feel sometimes having that intellectual disability label gives others (parents and teachers) the excuse to not work as hard with that individual because that's what the number tells us they're able to do. The story is different for those individuals with a support network who will continue to be pushed. IQ testing should be used as another piece of insight, not a life sentence.

Michelle Sanders 3d
I don't believe that IQ testing is a self-fulfilling prophecy. I believe it is just one piece of information that indicates what a person's skills are in one area. It does not have to limit one in their future. Just like the film indicated, it may be a starting point of where to begin, but it does not have to be a resting place as to where a person will end up. If a person is given the right amount of support and encouragement, then some level of success is inevitable.

Lucy Somers 18m
I do not believe that IQ testing can lead to a self fulfilling prophecy. However, we need to look at individuals as a whole and not just their IQ score and/or label. We need to highlight and build upon strengths. If we focus only on IQ score this could lead to lack of exposure and lowered expectations.
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How can we support individuals with the label of intellectual disability to achieve their dreams?

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Christina Drechsel 6d
We can support individuals with the label of intellectual disability by getting to know their desires for the future. We also need to ensure they are included within the general education setting as much as possible. As I was watching this, I was able to reflect on the current set up of the middle school programming. Students with mild cognitive disabilities are often within the resource classroom for reading, writing, or mathematics. The double edge sword is the idea that they are getting smaller direct instruction from a teacher who wants to be with them and wants to see them succeed (historically speaking, it has appeared the general education staff are often apprehensive even when they see students on just their science and social studies roster, let alone academic areas). What should be happening is vice versa, students should be fully included and accommodations/modifications made to assist students in all academic areas. Perhaps this could be a building level model change during the upcoming year. This would also allow for additional co-teaching support within different areas. Another area to support would be to increase our knowledge about available placements within the community for shadow opportunities, internships, and how to set these work-based opportunities up for students. In the past, I know the State of Indiana authorized an ICE endorsement. It seems the only students that primarily get opportunities with job training are students with more intense intervention needs. My worry is for students with mild cognitive disabilities to be prepared for the world of work if not pursuing a college certificate training program. How can we best support their needs? The Area Career Center (when asked to counselors) is still a very selective process. I also know the buy in with the staff at career centers is often limited as well due to many career and technical teachers were workers in the field before transitioning to the school setting. They typically do not go through formalized teacher training and do not have experience working with students with disabilities.

gagood 6d
As educators we need to focus our efforts more on services which address a student's personal learning style/strengths and vocational skills which could lead to employment, a trade school, or college. Inclusion is a benefit to all children and staff and we need to always remember that a person is not defined by his disability. We need to have high expectations for all children not just our students in general education. Finally, we can't forget the impact that children with disabilities have on their non-disabled peers. A perfect example is this past fall two students within our classroom for students with moderate disabilities were crowned Prom Queen and King. What a great day for our school community at Morton High, the district, and the Hammond community.

pabarth 6d
We can LISTEN and OBSERVE. The students themselves are communicating their desires and the areas they need assistance in to build a bridge towards their future. Hammond is doing some things really well (peer tutors, prom king and queen, inclusion in daily school activities). We must build and expand. We need to find a bridge with the gen ed staff that will open doors for inclusion with support.

Jacqueline La Fave 6d
As educators and parents of students with intellectual disabilities we need to give the individuals multimodal educational opportunities for learning. One size does not fit all even when we are considering a typically developing child.

Dominique Bowman 6d
I really enjoyed watching MIcah's story unfold. I think we need to keep in mind that we are not only in education to support the student's academic growth, but also their social learning. It was nice to see that Micah participated in "social meetings" to discuss things happening in his world and the world around him and the people in his life listened to his perspective and provided room for learning on both sides of the conversation.

Kathy Byers 6d
A family's expectations and support are ABSOLUTELY KEY! Nothing gets off the ground unless families are behind their student 100%, ready to roll up their sleeves and to advocate with and for their child...advocate for the supports and ongoing services they need and deserve. I was totally "wowed" with the regular meetings that were held to review goals/ambitions and to assess next steps. What encouragement and "We're fully behind you!" validation these meetings would provide.

mdmcmanus 6d
I feel like it is very important to create that team for the student made up of teachers, administrators , and special educators to start the discussion of the future. This way we can make sure to help the student reach their goals. We also need to have the student as part of this team. I feel the best way to have the student be successful is creating the team with school and home.

Kristine Frato 6d
We need to look at our students as people first, with hopes and dreams just like us. Then we need to figure out how to help them get there. During the diagnostic process and through early intervention I am asked a lot, "When will my child talk?" I try to shift the focus to "communicate" and let them know that we never give up. We need to find the best way to help that individual functionally communicate. It may be now or ten years from now, who knows? But we will keep trying. I was very interested in the circle of friends meetings that Micah participated in. Is there any type of program like that happening in our schools?

srspecker 6d
It is essential to work with the student on setting goals and constantly reviewing their progress with them. Identifying short term and long term goals that are realistic can increase self-esteem and motivation. Having a variety of options for programs for our students is also a necessity, as well as coordination with community based services.

Tricia Hill 6d
We need to respect the individual and allow each person to express their interests and knowledge in their own way. This can definitely prove to be a difficult task within the framework of our current educational system. It can begin with the CCC working as a team with the student (not just for the student) to set goals and provide appropriate opportunities for the student to work toward those goals.

sbcamel 6d
Revamp how our system is working with our students! I feel we need to do a better job of focusing on transition plans and not predetermining what we feel the student is capable of. It is challenging to help lead students in the direction they want to go with such restrictions on classes offered in middle and high school.

Wendy Baity 6d
We can advocate for more community business and educational partnerships to help transition our students to life after school.

Linda Green 6d
I think we have to start with our expectations. I think often children are not held to the same standards and expectations as other based solely on the disability. I think we need to get to know the student - all of their qualities and interests. The support group meetings held monthly would be a great start.

Mary Kelly 6d
Getting family involved! The students in this movie had a STRONG family support system. The teachers in this movie seemed to be able to get these kids motivated and find what triggered their interest.

Sonja Vasic 6d
We involve everyone on the team which consists of family, public workers, educators and anyone else they come in contact with on a day-to-day basis. Once you have a core support group you can discuss goals and then how each member of the team can assist in successfully carrying out these specific goals!

Dannette Daniels-Cole 6d
I think that advocacy and support services should be available to our students as soon as they are identified with having an intellectual disability. That usually happens with strong family and community support systems. We should also build relationships and partnerships with local industry and continuing education sources to support students as they transition into the workplace.

Deanne Hilvert 6d
We can help people with intellectual disabilities live their dreams by actively listening to them and learning what their dreams are. We need to hold high expectations for the student and include their family and support system. I loved the social support group that Micah had. We need to help direct students towards resources and programs that will assist them.

Juliann Acevez 5d
As a high school case manager who works with students as they are leaving school to enter the real world, we need more job site working, functional/vocational opportunities and trade school experiences.

mjgrenchik 5d
Marie Grenchik : Help give them a dream. Our students don't know that they are not going to have to leave their parents home eventually. we need to capitalize on what they are good at and use that as a starting point. example: if they are good readers...have the be a reader for announcements, or maybe take a drama class, if they are good at legos, have them build models of something with legos or blocks or... let that be where they shine. don't put a round peg into a square hole.

Juleon Meredith 5d
As an educator and evaluator, I think it is important to ensure our evaluation reports and IEP's are a comprehensive representation of students' abilities and areas of growth. We are given the responsibility to "know" our students and provide the text expression of who they are; so much is dependent upon that. It is important to always recognize them as individuals and never loose sight of their unique qualities and attributes. If that remains at the forefront, supporting their interests and development will naturally help them in achieving their goals and dreams.

Noreen Arduino 5d
Family involvement is the key to helping the individuals achieve their dream. Families need to realize that just because their child has a cognitive or physical disability, they can still be like everyone else. They just need to achieve things differently. We need to direct families to resources and special programs so their child is on the right path into adulthood.

Barbara Butcher 5d
We have to constantly search for ways our students can pursue their passion. We have to convince them that they have something really valuable to contribute to the world. We have to be realistic yet still nurture their pride and enthusiasm. Depending on their skill set, we can gently steer them toward viable options that may fall somewhere under the umbrella of the dream. We have to provide unconditional support and we also have to be very resourceful.

emilymoller555 4d
I think we need to first simply interact with these individuals and get to know them. We can find their method of expressing their intelligence and learn what their hopes and dreams might be. The next step is to have everyone work together as a team - the individual, their family, friends, teachers, therapists, principals, psychologists, etc. - to determine an appropriate goal and method for reaching that goal. Each person brings a different insight or expertise to the team and can help these students or individuals in different ways.

Kelly Patterson-Koval 4d
We can support individuals with the label of intellectual disability to achieve their dreams by always encouraging them and holding them to a high standard. If a person shows an interest in a topic, we should strive to support them in that interest by including it in topics of conversation, in life experiences and in academic lessons.

Michelle Sanders 3d
I believe that the best way to support students with intellectual disabilities is to try to expose them to different curricula to see where they may excel. Oftentimes, they are only given the academic track that would lead to college for others, while leaving them stranded. If they are offered trade experiences and possibly job shadowing or volunteering, they may see something that sparks their interest and leads to more success.

Yvonne Nohos 20h
One way to support students with disabilities is to provide them with as many academic and social opportunities as possible. I liked how in the video Naomie had a network of people and places where she could explore job/career options. I also appreciate that Micah had an opportunity to attend college and experience collegiate social life and Naieer's gift of art could be cultivated and shared with his peers and community. Secondly, we need to ask and engage in conversations with our students/adults with disabilities about their interests and passions to guide and educate them, as well as develop jobs. Finally, I also feel that there needs to be more education of adults in the school and community settings to appreciate and teach/employ people with disabilities. It is important to be creative

Lucy Somers 7m
We can help individuals with a label of intellectual disability achieve their dreams by building a rapport, supporting their wants/needs, and providing positive encouragement/feedback. Individuals wants to be heard, validated, and realize that you are in their corner. We need to have conversations about transitioning into the post secondary world. We need to follow through on these conversations.
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In the past 50 years, do you think society has changed its understanding of what makes someone intelligent? How so?

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Christina Drechsel 6d
I would like to think yes that society has changed their thinking about an individual’s intelligence. Through the use of social media outlets, there is more awareness brought to individuals with disabilities and the skills they offer our society than ever before. I also think due to word of mouth and trainings has also brought forth the change. However, I cannot firmly state yes or no. I know when I went through my undergraduate degree (2000-2005) a high priority was placed on Howard Gardner’s multiple intelligence theory. This theory opened the doors for teachers and other professions learning about Gardner’s theory to become aware of the multiple ways an individual can be intelligent. The discouraging stance is knowing that while all teachers probably learned about Multiple Intelligence, it is not always showcased in their perspective in including all students with disabilities within their classroom, let alone the students that struggle in other ways. As educators, we need to continue to be passionate and reinforce that all students are intelligent when they enter and leave the walls of a school building.

Jacqueline La Fave 6d
Society as a whole is more accepting of individuals with intellectual disabilities, however I think the standard for what society views as an intelligent person has remained relatively stable. Likewise, there are many more opportunities for people with varying disabilities in the workplace.

pabarth 6d
I do believe society has changed in its understanding of what type of person adds value to our community. Not just our students but anybody. I believe each of us would like our neighbor to be respectful of each other, their property and their community --- if we instill those skills, cohesiveness is easier. period. Of course this is not always easy. We live in a world where people expect instead of valuing working hard etc. Let's bring it back so we all want to contribute and we all want to lift each other up!

cjanthony 6d
As a society we have come a long way. We don't send students or children with intellectual disabilities away to institutions any longer. So we know that they can participate in society in many capacities. But boy do we have such a long way to go. Okay, they are here, now what??? We have to start with the transition piece and build a program and expectation that will help the student meet their full potential...whatever that may be. I'm not sure we have quite bought into the transition piece or how to make it manifest.

Dominique Bowman 6d
Our society is gradually growing and maturing in their understanding of what makes someone intelligent. We are beginning to value all persons and their abilities; however, it still seems that we still have a bias perspective of "intelligent." For example, we sometimes base someone's intelligence on their ability to verbally communicate their thoughts and ideas in a clear and concise manner. This may be a very skewed thought process because I may just need access to a communication device or writing utensils to share my knowledge with others.

mdmcmanus 6d
I would like to say yes. I feel with businesses being more open to higher people with disabilities, the general pubic is becoming more aware of what is really possible. I also feel with more inclusion in the school buildings, that more students are being exposed to people with disabilities and are becoming more knowledgeable about the different types of disabilities and are more excepting. Students are starting to see the value in everyone.

srspecker 6d
I feel that society is more open and accepting of people with disabilities, but there is still such a long way to go. Awareness and education has progressed, but creating meaningful opportunities for participation in vocational settings is extremely important.

Tricia Hill 6d
I think society has progressed in their idea of what makes a person intelligent. Because of laws that provide more opportunities for those with intellectual impairments, we have been able to move forward and be able to get to know people with varying abilities, to be able to experience differences and form relationships with people that have different intellectual abilities. I think this has impacted and inspired people to open their minds to including more people in different situations and to look at people in different ways-exploring and accepting their unique abilities as individual intelligence. We are making some progress in looking at individuals, rather than masses of sameness. It's no longer all about how "smart" you are on a test-doing high level math and whatnot, but more about how people use their unique talents to express themselves.

sbcamel 6d
I think we are headed in the right direction, but I still think there is a struggle in all aspects - educational and post-educational - to fully understand that a number doesn't define a person.

Linda Green 6d
I sure hope we have but I think the Cognitively challenged students, especially those with co-morbid disabilities make it difficult for those untrained to see the true potential. Getting students - "out of the basement" and into special schools was a good beginning. Then came integration into public schools. Now, we are striving for including students in the 'least restrictive environment". I think we have more and more students on job sites - those out in the public and having interactions with the public. Society can see those individuals as valued and citizens of their community and hopefully that will continue to bring change to how intelligence is not merely a number but the person - the whole person.

Wendy Baity 6d
I'm not sure if society has changed its understanding of what makes someone intelligent. This would be a good research question. I think some people might make judgements based on their experiences with or lack of exposure to people with disabilities.

Mary Kelly 6d
Yes, it is all around us. In our community we have many young people with disabilities working at the Jewel, McDonalds and restaurants. And, with mentors there is a great amount of hope and success.

Sonja Vasic 6d
I think in the last 50 years people have become more accepting and have embraced different expressions of intelligence. People appreciate others for their skills and their knowledge on a specific topics or areas of trade. However, intelligence can be defined by many people in different ways. There are still a lot of individuals that measure intelligence based on the amount of schooling and degrees an individual has or how someone carries themselves socially and/or professionally.

Mary Wagner 6d
I feel that there has been a positive shift in changing society’s attitudes towards individuals with intellectual disabilities. I see students with disabilities working at jobs they enjoy, I see students with disabilities participating actively in clubs and social activities. I feel that schools are continuing to target disability awareness through a variety of programs that increase understanding and acceptance. Although we still have a long way to go, it is opening people’s mind to the value that individuals with a variety of intellectual capacities can add to society.

Dannette Daniels-Cole 6d
I do believe that society has changed its understanding of what make someone intelligent, but we still progress to be made on this issue.

Juliann Acevez 5d
Not sure...I feel that every student is standardized tested to death. This seems to be the measurement of intelligence today and I don't think it is appropriate or accurate.

mjgrenchik 5d
Marie Grenchik: well, yes in the last 50 years. with people like Steven Hawkins... someone had to give him the time of day, they had to listen to him, people I do believe keeping students in their home schools or with the general education students gives these students an idea that special ed students can contribute to the class. and to society. that is what the general ed students are learning, they are more aware of others that our different. they are not afraid of someone being different, like I was when I was in school. Just because this girl, my age was different looking, I did not treat her kindly. I have been praying for her most of my adult life. so it is a lesson I learned. I hope someone cut her a break.

Noreen Arduino 5d
I think society has changed it's perception of disabled people and what they are able to achieve in the workplace and society. People must get out of the box and look at what the person wants and not what someone else thinks they should have or do.

Barbara Butcher 5d
I think the concept of intelligence has changed a lot over the years. I think we realize that there is so much more to people than what their IQ would suggest. I hope we understand that motivation, perseverance, hard work and a lot of heart can make up for a lot of ground. I think people are more accepting of people with disabilities but we have a long way to go. The interesting part of the future is watching the emerging role that assistive technology plays in regard to compensating for significant skill deficits. It is, and will continue to be a game changer for so many people.

emilymoller555 4d
I believe that society as whole has become more aware of individuals with disabilities and more accepting of these individuals. It is more common to see these individuals holding jobs and being more active members of the community. However, there are still people out there that do not understand or still hold a stigma against people with disabilities. There are still people who judge others based on them looking or acting "different." We need to continue to raise awareness on varied methods of expressing intelligence and the potential each person has to achieve their dreams, whether they have a disability or not. Making this video mandatory to watch before beginning classes at any college or university would be a good place to start.

Kelly Patterson-Koval 4d
I think society has somewhat changed its understanding of what makes someone intelligent. Individuals with disabilities are included more in the workforce and in schools and are now more accepted by others than they previously were due to those experiences. Society generally respects a hard working individual and that makes the person accepted in society.

jjvelazquez 4d
That's a good question. I believe, in general, society has changed their understanding of what makes people intelligent. It is more acceptable, now, to understand some people are not only book smart, but artistic/creative, hands-on/building smarts, etc. There are many acceptable ways to "showcase" your intelligence and it is accepted. Through the internet/technology, we have access to other people's talents (intelligence) through many different genre's. I experience more art, poetry, and creativity in the world, now, through the internet, than I have before in my short 15 years as an educator. Individuals are encouraged more on social media/internet, family, and in schools to showcase their intelligence in creative ways, i.e., drawing, videos, visual aides, etc, when completing projects. As a society, I believe we have changed our way of thinking of what makes someone intelligent, because there are more activities geared toward educating children and children with disabilities. On facebook alone, there are many activities for children to participate in that encourages their strengths, talents, likes, and intelligence. There are cooking classes for kids, painting classes, zumba classes, family related activities, and those classes/activities are inclusive for individuals with disabilities. As a society, we have learned it is best to give ALL children experiences, speak to children, encourage their talents, advocate for their acceptance, etc. We know experiences not only will make them "smarter" but they will become a well-rounded adult, who is not only intelligent, but creative, kind, well-mannered, accepting, and one day rich (to take care of us in our old age, lol). Also, those experiences will do the same for those children with disabilities.

Michelle Sanders 3d
I do believe that society has changed in its perspective of people with intellectual disabilities. With all the social media and diversity in society, I have noticed a shift in how people repsond to others with disabilities. They are more knowledgeable about disabilties and even show concern rather than distancing themselves from those who may be unique in some way. Society appears to be less judgmental and more accepting of people who may be different. Society now looks for creativity and intelligence in multiple ways instead of looking simply at the "scholarly" approach and finds more good in people because they are looking for the positive.

Lucy Somers 2m
Yes, I think society has changed its understanding of what makes someone intelligent. Individuals with intellectual disabilities are not sent away to facilities as they were 50+ yeas ago. Presently, the goal is supporting individuals to become active participants in their community. I do believe that we need continued improvement and follow through on post secondary education and employment opportunities.
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