Question #1 by Jennifer Trammell https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd Does Sophocles seem to feel that the will of the gods serves man for good or ill? en-us 2017-04-26 12:52:02 UTC 2020-03-04 02:31:29 UTC hello@padlet.com Neysa Tong https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168358755 2017-04-26 13:19:35 UTC https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168358755 Jasmin Sosa (1st) https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168358765 Based on Antigone, I concluded that in plays by Sophocles, the will of the Gods serves man for good. My reason for believing this is that within plays, heroes need the assistance of Gods in order to prosper. Without their aid, heroes would fall under the weight of their hubris. Since characters are normally very flawed, they can only be helped by the gods. Throughout Antigone, the will of the Gods is mentioned. The person who opposes it is Creon. He is a character of excessive pride and does not believe that the events that unfold are part of the gods's plan. Antigone is also an example of the Gods serving man. Although Antigone did have pride and flaws, what the gods wanted helped her through the situation. Even though she was helped, eventually her hubris caught up to her. The gods are like judges of mortals, but want things to end happily.]]> 2017-04-26 13:19:36 UTC https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168358765 Rowland Akpojiyovwi (1st) https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168358776 Yes, Sophocles does feel that the will of god is good for men because in his plays ( especially in Antigone) when someone denies the will of god or displeases god, horrible things happen to them.]]> 2017-04-26 13:19:37 UTC https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168358776 Vivian Uzoechi (1st) https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168358835 2017-04-26 13:19:46 UTC https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168358835 Jico Nguyen https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168358839 1st period]]> 2017-04-26 13:19:47 UTC https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168358839 Itzel Mantilla(1st) https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168358843 2017-04-26 13:19:47 UTC https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168358843 Thao Le https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168358868

]]> 2017-04-26 13:19:50 UTC https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168358868 Vivian Uzoechi (1st) https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168359169 2017-04-26 13:20:40 UTC https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168359169 Ivana Nguyen (2nd) https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168374624 2017-04-26 14:01:40 UTC https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168374624 Ashley Nguyen (2nd) https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168374685 Sophocles seems to feel that the will of the gods serves man for good. He explains how the will of the gods seem to show the flaws of nearly perfect people. This will help humanity balance. Without the will of the gods, everyone would have hubris, self-confidence, and many other characteristics that will bring humanity to an end. Sophocles has brought Greek Tragedy to a whole new level. Although we believe that Antigone is the perfect person, she has flaws that actually led to her downfall that takes critical thinking to figure out. In "Antigone's Flaw" by Patricia M. Lines, she lists out different situations where Antigone could've avoided her tragic death. "Had Antigone not isolated herself from her sister, Ismene would have stood by her side. Had she sought out Haemon, she would have had another ally... Had Antigone been ready to engage in politics, Crean would find himself facing the open opposition of all whom he loved." (pg. 7)]]> 2017-04-26 14:01:49 UTC https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168374685 Luan Nguyen 2nd https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168374716 2017-04-26 14:01:54 UTC https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168374716 Thienan Nguyen (2nd) https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168374749 2017-04-26 14:01:59 UTC https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168374749 Johnson Huynh 2nd https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168374851 Sophocles believed that the will of god serves man for good. This is because this was during a time of not much science, therefore, people used religion as explanation for events in the natural world. For this reason, they used religion as the fundamental foundation of their societies. These people often followed the rule of a higher being, believing that contesting this rule would lead to misfortune. For example, on line 60 of Antigone, Antigone goes against the laws of humans in order to satisfy the law of god. "Since apparently the laws of the god mean nothing to you." (60)]]> 2017-04-26 14:02:13 UTC https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168374851 Tiffany Dang (2nd) https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168374972 Sophocles tends to feel that the will of gods serves man for good. Throughout the play, Antigone and the Chorus had showed the mankind that is served results in a better situation in which traditionally, keeps a positive bond and to illustrate what can encounter a type of hope with its "emotions" such as, love, believing what can possibly happen in life. For example, "Fortunate is the man who has never tasted God's vengeance!" ( line 465). This had concluded a different view for those who is against, or has no beliefs upon themselves or any other situation that may or may not occurred. And also, it results to where they get punished upon their bad sins under their beliefs of what they're aginst of. In comparison, Antigone doesn't go against her own decision on burying her brother, polyneices, because she did say that family and religion (god) is first.]]> 2017-04-26 14:02:31 UTC https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168374972 Houston Bui (2nd) https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168378090 Sophocles feel that the will of the gods serves man for good and upholds honor and fairness.  Because after Creon had taken Antigone away to the dungeon and that she believes that the gods favored her decision to bury her brother, so Creon sends her there to see if the Gods fvor her.." I will carry her far away Out there in the wilderness, and lock her Living in a vault of stone. She shall have food, As the custom is, to absolve the State of her death. And there let her pray to the gods of hell."
  














]]> 2017-04-26 14:10:26 UTC https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168378090 Bill Truong 3rd period https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168403367 Sophocles seems to feel that the will of the gods serves man for good because in his play, “Antigone,” he emphasizes that the gods’ rules provided more justice for the people than the immortal king’s authority. In lines 360 through 363 of “Antigone,” Antigone claims, “But all your strength is weakness itself against the immortal unrecorded laws of God. They are not merely now: they were, and shall be, operative for ever, beyond man utterly.” Antigone believed that the gods’ power were more just than King Creon’s rules, but King Creon rejected her belief. When he noticed the death of his family, he regretted defying the good will of the gods. Therefore, Sophocles conveys that the gods’ will serves man for good when King Creon experiences his downfall for resisting their power. 


]]> 2017-04-26 15:15:25 UTC https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168403367 Leslie Imafidon Pd. 3 https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168403375 Sophocles feels that the will of the gods serves man for good rather than ill. In the last line of Antigone, Sophocles has the Choragos say, "There is no happiness where there is no wisdom; No wisdom but in submission to the gods." Sophockes is basically saying that happiness=wisdom, and wisdom=submission to the gods, then happiness=submission to the gods. Sophocles akes clear his belief that by following the gods, people can be happy which is what everyone wants.]]> 2017-04-26 15:15:26 UTC https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168403375 Eryka Anzora 3 https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168403397 2017-04-26 15:15:30 UTC https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168403397 Truc Phan (3rd) 279126 https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168403534 2017-04-26 15:15:42 UTC https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168403534 Jedidyah Luu P3 https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168403634
The will of the gods portrayed in Antigone is synonymous to a marriage between man and wife; it is a one directional contract in which Sophocles believe that man seeks approval of the gods; gods possess the characteristics of human nature (as in mindset) but also supernatural powers to bring their own justice upon man. According to Patricia M. Lines,  the gods define their power over humans by maintaining a superior title, in which a human's hubris threaten their claim of supernatural capabilities. Niobe for example, arrogantly claims to be the best mother of the world by having [14] children. The goddess of motherhood and family, Hera, takes this into offense and incurs retribution on the ill-fated mortal. Sophocles included Niobe as an example in Antigone's last public words. 

 "Homer and Hesiod have ascribed to the gods everything shameful and reprehensible among mankind: theft, adultery, and mutual deceptions. "--
Xenophanes

"Regarding the gods, I can't tell if they exist or not, nor what they look like, for many things preclude such knowledge: the obscurity of the subject, and the brevity of our lives."--Protagoras


]]> 2017-04-26 15:16:00 UTC https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168403634 Cindy Huynh (3rd) https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168409335 2017-04-26 15:32:09 UTC https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168409335 Vinh Phan (3rd) 371655 https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168410230 In Sophocles' story of Antigone, the Greek gods are portrayed as beings of judgement and intervention. Sophocles' gods, in a way, serve mankind for good. This is because they punish the humans whenever we make a wrongful act, and reward those who behave honorably. Through this intervening, the gods slowly forge mankind into a state that is more ideal for them. The Chorus in Antigone asked, "What mortal arrogance transcends the wrath of Zeus?" (lines 474-475) in response to the showy appearance of their defeated invaders. In this example, the gods punished a group of humans for their annoying behavior.]]> 2017-04-26 15:34:55 UTC https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168410230 Ethan Ngo(2nd https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168427478 Sophocles seems to find the will of god to serve for mans own good. first since he lived in a time where Gods were highly respected and was the center to life. it was just be natural for Sophocles to believe the Gods help humans and their law is much more superior than those that are set by man kind. Sophocles portray some of his thoughts into Antigone where she asserts Gods law over man's law. "expecially in our own time, where we formally reconize the superiority whitin specified spheres, of indivual right over the demands of overly broad laws, Antigone seems a genius]]> 2017-04-26 16:24:15 UTC https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168427478 Vienne Nguyen 3 https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168433850 I think that Sophocles feels that the god’s intentions are good rather than bad. Never in the play does a god punishes anyone for doing something good. If a character does something good and gets punished by the gods you can tell that the god has bad intention. The choragos said, “for God hates utterly the bray of bragging tongues; and when he beheld their smile….the frown of his thunder basted” meaning that when someone does something bad they get punished. 


]]> 2017-04-26 16:43:50 UTC https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168433850 Jico Nguyen 1st 325304 https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168501365 I believe that  Sophcocles
 feels that the will of the gods serve man for good. The will of gods keep the human's or civilians in check, a more formal term, disciplined. For example when a man/woman defies the gods in forms of boasting or talking as if they were the god's superiors, the gods go out of their way to punish them. Lets  say if people decidced to start disrepsecting the gods, they will experience hubris which ultimatley will destory/ kill them. In Antigone's Flaw Patricat M Lines explains how Niboe boasted and suffered hubris "Significantly, Antigone overlooks the fact that hubris destroyed Niobe. Niobe had boasted that her six (in some versions seven) sons and six (or seven) daughters made her the equal of the goddess Leto, mother of Apollo and Artemis. Apollo and Artemis took offense on hearing of this interesting assertion of quantity over quality. They resolved the issue by killing the hapless children and turning Niobe to stone." Pg 7]]> 2017-04-26 20:57:36 UTC https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168501365 Trinh Vu (3rd) https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168501843 I think that the will of the gods serves the man for the good. In Antigone if someone were to do something bad that would defy the gods, they would be punished for those actions. Such as if someone were to boast and brag a lot. Gods usually don't like that. Niobe was like that and has hubris. She said that since she had 14 children she was on the same level as Apollo and Artemis' mother, Leto. They two gods didn't like what they were learning and turned her into stone and killed her children. ( Pg 7)They bring their own justice and it's much worst than mankinds. The chorus says in line 465 "Fortunate is the man who has never tasted vengeance" Saying that humanity will be punished for their sins against the gods. In Antigone, Sophocles says that the god's law is much higher than of man. ]]> 2017-04-26 21:01:20 UTC https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168501843 Neysa Tong (1st) https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168502590 Sophocles seems to feel that the will of the gods serves man for good because throughout the tragedy, Antigone refers to the law of the gods and how they are meant to maintain the society. Antigone says “You may do as you like since apparently the laws of the god mean nothing to you.” (63) The gods are trying to help the people in the society, but if their laws are not followed, then punishment will be given. Sophocles expresses that these laws made by the gods are to help mankind. For example, the gods want everyone, whether if they’re an enemy or not, to be buried. Their purpose for creating these laws is to keep the society in order. The Choragos says, “No wisdom but in submission to the gods.” (1040) which means that men should respect the gods and their laws. The gods are serving men for good, but they will punish those who do not respect them. ]]> 2017-04-26 21:08:17 UTC https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168502590 Thuy Luong (2nd Period) https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168503305 Sophocles feels that the will of the gods serves mankind for good. Throughout Antigone play, the Choragos and the Chorus speaks to Antigone about the will of the god and how it has affected humankind. For example, in line 465, the Chorus says, "Fortunate is the man who has never tasted God's vengeance!". This shows that anybody who goes against the gods or views themselves as higher the gods, will always be punished by the gods. This keeps humanity in place for if they were to do bad things, then god's will shall punish them for their sins.]]> 2017-04-26 21:14:10 UTC https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168503305 Lillian Tong (2nd https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168503471 Sophocles feels that the gods’ will serves man for good because the beliefs and worship of the gods are already set for society. This allows society to have more (but not complete) “fairness” by providing punishment based on the gods’ will. (Less bias punishments/decisions would exist.) As the protagonist who defies the law and leans toward morality, Antigone appeals as the “good” character of the tragedy. Yet, despite the pity established from the Chorus and possibly audience, the gods did not prevent her from committing suicide, “She had made a noose of her fine linen veil And hanged herself,” (lines 959-960). Sophocles did so to show that although she is the protagonist, Antigone also deserves an unfortunate pathway. She did not consider other options or opinions from Ismene or the Chorus. Just like others, she also is accountable for her actions. If Sophocles viewed gods’ will served man for ill, then most of the characters would not have been so hesitant in their actions such as Creon, who would have not changed his plan. However, he did later because he understood the consequences of having too much pride, “The old man has gone, King, but his words remain a plague to us...It troubles me,” (lines 860-863.)]]> 2017-04-26 21:15:12 UTC https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168503471 Peter Mashni (2nd https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168503473 Sophocles believes that the will of the gods serves for the good of man not for the ill. Throughout the book Sophocles makes examples of people who are "perfect" and the gods are able to find the wrong in them. This is for the good of the people because if the gods do not do that the person may feel to prideful of themselves and that is a sin. In the book Antigone is nearly perfect it is hard to find a flaw, but the gods take the very small flaw isolation and stubbornness and the gods see that this will lead to pridefulness which will be a sin in society. Unfortunately Antigone is very stubborn and does not listen to anyone and the gods take the small flaw and make that the cause of her death. If she was not stubborn and listen her sister not only would Antigone have a different out come but also Eurydice, and Haemon. "Perhaps. But I am doing only what I must. " (4) ]]> 2017-04-26 21:15:12 UTC https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168503473 Thi Nguyen (3rd) https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168506696 Sophocles seems to feel that the will of the gods serves man for ill in Antigone. Antigone was a self-centered person that only took into consideration the willings of the dead and the Gods. Her love and respect for the Gods had caused her to willingly isolate herself from her community, which includes Haemon and Ismene. According to Antigone’s Flaw, “Antigone, on the other hand, might have avoided her tragic fate had she paid attention to and entered into discussion with others.” Antigone could’ve avoided the deaths of Eurydice, Haemon, and herself, had she been more careful and doubted, even for a moment, the will of the Gods. The Gods’ will had caused the demise of Antigone because her ongoing faith had corrupted her ability to listen to the one who loved her. ]]> 2017-04-26 21:38:49 UTC https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168506696 Phuong Nguyen 3rd https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168507525 Sophocles believes that the will of the gods serves man for good because through the words of Antigone and the Chorus, he expresses the consequences other mortals in Greek history have experienced due to defying the gods. For example, in lines 671-675, Antigone describes a woman named Niobe who boasted to the gods about her children and parenting. As a result for bragging and considering her superiority to the gods, all of her children were killed. Because she had excessive pride, which was a great sin in Ancient Greece, the gods punished her by eliminating her most loved and prized possessions, which was her children. This ties in with Antigone's death, perhaps her faith could have been altered by the gods had she not shut out her sister and her fiancé. ]]> 2017-04-26 21:47:12 UTC https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168507525 Bao Nguyen (3rd) https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168508313 By interpreting the character of Antigone and the resolution of the play, Sophocles clearly feels that the will of the gods serves man for good. The conflict of the play places the traditions of gods against the laws of man. At the very start of the play, Sophocles portrays Antigone in a positive light. When arguing with her sister, Antigone states, “You have made your choice, you can be what you want to be./ But I will bury him; and if I must die,/ I say that this crime is holy…” (Line 54-56). Her strength and intention to follow the whims of the gods can be compared to Ismene’s weakness by abiding to Creon’s decree. This indirect metaphor reveals Sophocles’s beliefs. But he also implicitly reveals his opinion through the Choragos, who ends the play by declaring, “There is no happiness where there is no wisdom;/ No wisdom but in submission to the gods./ Big words are always punished,/ And proud men in old age learn to be wise,” (1039-1042). The interpretation is clear, the gods are foremost.

]]> 2017-04-26 21:56:16 UTC https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168508313 Danny Le (3rd) 273804 https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168509633 I believe that Sophocles feels that the will of the gods serve men for good. According to Sophocles, because of the will of the gods, civilization is kept disciplined under the will of these gods. With the will of gods, forms of hubris like being self-centered or pride are significantly diminished. Sophocles believes that without the gods, humans would be consumed by hubris and cause humanity to descend to chaos and destruction. Although the will of gods is extremely powerful to diminished hubris, it doesn't diminish it completely, even in the most perfect people. Antigone is our main protagonist who we see perfect, actually has a major flaw that we over look: being self-certain. This one hubris is what causes her unfortunate downfall and death. If she had even a ounce of doubt, she would had been more hesitant in her actions and may even seek help from the people who put them out for her, and that she could be alive right now. In the passage "Antigone's Flaw" the author talks about the many ways that Antigone could had survived her tragic death. The author states, "The chorus reminds her of three examples in which those imprisoned within the earth forbeared and ultimately survived their rocky prisons. She will pay no attention to their advice. Neither forbearance nor the ability to take advice is among her virtues."




]]> 2017-04-26 22:13:29 UTC https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168509633 Cindy Huynh (3rd) https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168515307 Sophocles seem to feel that the will of the gods serves man for good. The Greeks had a great respect for the gods. Since the people often turned to religion in a time of need, they believed that the gods used their power to help. Additionally, the gods keep society under control by maintaining the behavior of the people. By being punished, they will understand not to commit the offense again. “For God hates utterly // The bray of bragging tongues” (Line 105-106) Here, it is implied that people who brag obnoxiously will have a consequence. This is necessary because no one should be overconfident since that is considered hubris.]]> 2017-04-26 23:43:02 UTC https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168515307 Maria Vidal (3) https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168516366 Sophocles seems to think that the will of god serves man good. Throughout the book we see how people look up the gods and keeps society together. They punish you if you are wrong but will help you and give you a good life if you are doing what you are supposed to. They give society a sense of structure.  In the book they  mention about why defy the gods when they give society a lot , " O clear intelligence, force beyond all measure!  O fate of man, working both good and evil! When the laws are kept, how proudly his city stands! When the laws are broken, what of his city then?(293- 298) ". The quote shows how the forces grater than them keep society together.

]]> 2017-04-26 23:57:59 UTC https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168516366 Logan Caudillo (2nd) https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168518654 Sophocles believes that the will of the gods serves man for good. This is because in Antigone, the Chorus speaks of the will of the gods and how if anyone goes against the gods will or tries to act like god, they will be punished for their hubris. In Antigone, the text states, " Fortunate is the man who has never tasted God’s vengeance!" (465). This shows that whoever went against the gods will or assumed the role of god would be punished. By following the will of the gods, it prevents the Greeks from committing their greatest sin which is having too much pride. This helps to keep the citizens in order and prevents them from feeling the wrath of God.]]> 2017-04-27 00:23:43 UTC https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168518654 Thao Le 1st https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168519283 Sophocles seem to feel that the will of the gods serves man for good, because in the tragedy, many times Antigone refers to the will of god and how they as human have to follow them. "You may do as you like since apparently the laws of the god mean nothing to you." (63). As we know that the gods will punish people that goes against their orders or doing wrong deeds and they will reward people that follow their orders and doing the right things. Also the gods have rules and laws that helps maintain the society in order and fair for everyone. Like the gods want everyone to be buried no matter what they've done or who they are. 

]]> 2017-04-27 00:31:42 UTC https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168519283 Nhi Vu 3rd https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168519821 I do think that Sophocles seems to feel that the will of gods serves man for good or ill. In Antigone, it shows through the way the characters talk to each other. They all believed that if something happened either good or bad, gods want it to happens. Everyone must listen and obey it. For example, when Polyneices fought with Eteocles for the "king" spot. Polyneices was the one that want to destroy everything and wanted to take over the kingdom. He was the one that acts against the state, according to Creon. If anyone acts against the state, they are our enemies and Zeus will want them to die. This shows that all of the characters believe in the will of gods. "No one can tolerate what you’ve just said,when you claim gods might care about this corpse.Would they pay extraordinary honours
and bury as a man who’d served them well someone who came to burn their offerings,their pillared temples, to torch their lands and scatter all its laws?" ( Line 324 - 330)]]> 2017-04-27 00:37:21 UTC https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168519821 Huy Ha 2nd https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168520534 Sophocles seems to feel like the will of the gods serves man for good. In the story of Antigone, the will of the gods is depicted as a guiding force towards the right path.  "No pride on earth is free of the curse of heaven." (Line 484) Pride is a heavy sin according to the Greeks, and the quote states essentially that pride will be punished by the heavenly forces above. In other words, the gods punish those who commit grave sins, trying to guide them alongside the proper path. Creon is trying to not honor one of the dead, when it has been custom to honor all of the dead, including even the enemy. This is an obvious sin for the Greeks, and the gods punish him for that.]]> 2017-04-27 00:43:18 UTC https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168520534 Tien Vo- 3rd period https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168523058 Sophocles seems to feel that the will of the gods serves man for good. There are religious rituals and practices that needed to be followed in the Greek period. These traditions set laws to keep the society in order and keep humans in check of their actions. Those who go against the laws of Gods would be punished. An example in Antigone would be the burial of Polyneices.   Antigone believes that her brother must be buried properly according to the Gods.  When she is talking Ismene, Antigone states that she either buries their brother or be "a traitor to [their] family" (27). This shows how rules of the Gods has rooted deep inside the society. And when Ismene refuses to help her sister because it defies against the laws set by the government, Antigone says that "Apparently the laws of the god mean nothing to you" (63). Regardless of rules set by humans might be able to calm down a society in chaos, people would still look up religion for solution, therefore it was believed that Gods' laws were set for the common goods.Even though that might not be the case in all situations, humans did not dare to go against Gods' will because they controlled every human's fate, like how Creon's tragedy fell upon his family for one mistake. Therefore Gods' will was absolute and necessary. 

]]> 2017-04-27 01:06:19 UTC https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168523058 Trang Le (2nd) https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168525836 I believe that Sophocles seems to feel that the will of the gods serves man for good. The reason is that throughout Antigone's tragedy, she would use the god as a "reference" to the origins of the gods and how their task is to sustain the community. Antigone states that “You may do as you like since apparently, the laws of the God mean nothing to you.” (Line 63) However, the gods are there to guide the people in the community, but if you disobey their rules, there will be significant consequences. Sophocles also believes that these regulations were made to help the humanity, maintaining the society in the correct order. The Choragos stated that “No wisdom but in submission to the gods.” (Line 1040) meaning your job is to respect and obey the gods. Therefore, the gods are serving all the men for good, punishing those who disobey them because they want everyone to have a proper burial. ]]> 2017-04-27 01:35:09 UTC https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168525836 Diep Ly 3rd ngocdieply https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168526815 Sophocles seems to believe that the will of the gods serves man for good. In Antigone, and the other plays in the trilogy, we see that the will of the Gods is what guides man. They dictate that it the people are too prideful, it will lead to their doom. In doing so, the gods are steering the people towards the right path to be perfect and humble. In lines 781 to 811, the prophet tells King Creon about how the Gods have turned against him for his lack of regard for the Gods' wills. Creon is punished for thinking too highly of himself and not listening to the people. In the same manner, Antigone is righteous in the beginning but also ends up being too proud about herself. In Antigone's Flaw, the author pointed out that, had Antigone listened and tried to love the people around her, she would have had a happy life. Instead, she also met with the God's will for being too self-centered on her own justice.]]> 2017-04-27 01:45:35 UTC https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168526815 Diana Cao (1st) https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168527399 Sophocles feels that the will of the gods serve for good because they inflict tragedy upon those carrying aspects such as hubris - excessive pride. To have excessive pride was not appreciated by the gods and thus they used their will as a “punishment” to those. In other words, the gods wished to serve man for good, but they would punish those that went against their rules. Regarding punishments, the gods inflicted their will on Creon, who had too much pride and therefore his flaw led to the deaths of his wife, son and niece. The gods wanted all to be buried, but Creon did not follow and thus they acted their will upon him, but not in an ill manner, but rather a good manner because in the first place, the gods wanted to help the people - Creon simply broke one of their rules, and so he faced a “punishment” (downfall). “‘The gods are deaf when we pray to them, their fire recoils from our offering, their birds of omen have no cry of comfort, for they are gorged with the thick blood of the dead.’” (800-803)

]]> 2017-04-27 01:51:11 UTC https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168527399 Selena Nguyen (2nd) https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168528302 I think that Sophocles seem to feel that the will of the gods serves man for good because the gods' judgement will remain unbiased towards the human race. However, how humans themselves view god's will is completely different than how god may originally intend. In 'Antigone' , Antigone herself may have done what was originally the will of god, "Greeks, like virtually all religions, required burial of the dead—even the enemy dead." (Antigone's Flaw) and so her act in burying Polyneices was out of a good will. But because she decided that based on god's will, her actions are justified and therefore she shouldn't be punished is what turns the original will into something ill. She shouldn't base her own desires on the idea that just because it was "God's will" that she didn't break a law. " It was not God’s proclamation. That final Justice That rules the world below makes no such laws." (Antigone, Line 357-359) isn't entirely correct of Antigone to say because she should still acknowledge that she did something in the wrong. Therefore, although the original desires and wills of the god may be for good, once a mortal human put their own desires and feelings to accomplish what they believe is right, it becomes something ill. ]]> 2017-04-27 01:59:13 UTC https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168528302 Ngoc Nguyen (3rd) 303719 https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168528594 Sophocles seem to feel that the will of the gods serves man for ill because Antigone, who served for the will of gods by wanting to bury Polyneices despite of him being an enemy, killed herself at the end because she chose to isolate herself by siding with the will of the gods rather than sticking with Ismene and Haemon. In Antigone’s Flaw by Patricia M. Lines, she states “Antigone reveals no tenderness for anyone except those already dead. Despite the solicitous love of Ismene and the fierce love of Haemon, Antigone complains of being alone and friendless… ‘...How with no friend’s mourning…’” Even though she had Ismene and Haemon, she chose to show kindness to the dead. Since Antigone is a tragedy, she must have a flaw that makes her character tragic, however, Antigone is seen to be the noblest and the most heroic as she defies against’s man’s rule and sticks besides the will of the gods. In the end, Antigone ended up dead because she remained beside the gods’ side instead of Ismene’s and Haemon’s love for her. The will of the gods made her die at the end, thus serving man for ill. ]]> 2017-04-27 02:01:54 UTC https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168528594 Luan Nguyen 2nd https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168529773 In the perspective of Sophacles, the will of the gods serve good for man. Gods seem to have a way of punishing man for their wrongdoings or ill nature. If it weren't for the gods, mankind could roam the earth without a car in the world for their actions and sins. The fact that there are Gods put mankind in check on their behavior. In Antigone's Flaw, it states, "The greatest obstacle to this kind of deliberation is hubris. It should be no surprise that the first to become aware of politics and identify it as a discipline—the Greeks—were also the first to worry about hubris". They are basically saying that the Greeks were aware that hubris was wrong and would be punished by the Gods and would need to worry about it. ]]> 2017-04-27 02:10:19 UTC https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168529773 David Balogun (1st) https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168530879 Sophocles seems to feel like the will of the gods do mankind good because he betrays going against the gods rule as a bad thing because oedipus father and mother try to avoid fate by killing their son. this angered the gods and that's why their oedipus children had to suffer for his sins. through out the play shows the the gods know what is best for us and that we should follow them]]> 2017-04-27 02:20:03 UTC https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168530879 Truc Phan (3rd) 279126 https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168532255 Sophocles seems to feel that the will of god is better for man. Throughout the tragedy, the gods are present when man does wrong in order to correct and punish them to sustain society for it to run smoothly. The people have to function and obey the rules of the Gods since they are the ones that supposedly know best. As Haimon says in line 604, "You have no right to trample on God's right." This shows that God is superior and should be obeyed.]]> 2017-04-27 02:33:43 UTC https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168532255 Khang Le (1st Period) https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168532420 According to Sophocles and portrayed in Antigone, it seems as though Sophocles believes that the will of the  god's are  virtuous and good in their intentions. In Antigone, it is prevalent that many of the actions are based upon the morality of the gods and what they see is right. Since the beginning, Antigone believes that it is the gods' choice that she must bury her brother.  From then forward, we notice that a lot of the character's motivations and thoughts are dictated by the gods. Emphasized by the choragos, "For God hates utterly The bray of bragging tongues; And when he beheld their smiling, Their swagger of golden helms, The frown of his thunder blasted Their first man from our walls." (Lines 105-110). From this text, it is clearly identifiable that the Gods punish men who they deem as greedy and arrogant. Because of their well known punishments, the gods are able to use their abilities to dictate the morals of the society into what they believe is right.


]]> 2017-04-27 02:35:32 UTC https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168532420 Ivana Nguyen (2nd) https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168532927 Sophocles seems to feel that the will of the gods serves man for the good, and not the ill. Gods and goddess were seen as the controllers of fate. The decision the gods will always be respected no matter the severity. However, it is the free will of the human that causes hubris. Throughout the plays of the Oedipus Trilogy, Sophocles illustrates that it’s not the gods fault, it’s the people. The character Antigone from the third play Antigone originally has the intention of doing what is the will of the gods—the act of burying her brother. She believes that “if I must die / I say that this crime is holy” (line 55, 56) meaning that this is what the gods want—for her to do her duty as a family member. However, her personality of being stubborn and self-centered quickly makes her another victim in hubris because she is confident in knowing what the gods want her to do thus “we call it self-certainty,” which is considered a form of hubris, according to the article Antigone’s Flaw. ]]> 2017-04-27 02:40:01 UTC https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168532927 Salar Sanati (3rd) https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168533143 Sophocles uses the character of Antigone and the rebelling personalities of Ismene to in fact prove that he believes the will of the gods essentially serves humanity for good. Sophocles puts Antigone on the spot by making her defend her actions of wanting to bury Polyneices in lines 50-56 where she backs her ambitions up with holy standards. "I will bury him and if I must die, I say that this crime is holy" this basically means that she does not consider it a crime no matter what Creon can decree and decry about. So he is putting the god's wanting the good for humanity.]]> 2017-04-27 02:42:00 UTC https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168533143 Thienan Nguyen (2nd) https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168534375 Sophocles feels that the gods serves men for good because their judgement is used to set up how the society thinks and acts. According to the gods, everyone should receive a proper burial when they pass away and Polynices was restricted of that. Creon made this judgement and was told by many people that it would be a misdeed towards the gods if he continued the punishment. Antigone then chooses to bury her brother because it does right by the gods and defies Creon's law. In "Antigone's Flaw" it states, "She asserts God’s law over man’s law. Especially in our own time, where we formally recognize the superiority, within specified spheres, of individual right over the demands of overly broad laws, Antigone seems a genius beyond her time." This proves that Sophocles believed that the gods enforced good behavior in the people. ]]> 2017-04-27 02:55:47 UTC https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168534375 Panagiotis Lontos (3rd) https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168534644 I think that Sophocles seems to think that the will of the gods is served for good. In the play "Antigone" and in the other plays of this trilogy, Sophocles shows that defying the gods is a bad thing. People who go against the gods in the ancient Greek society would always be punished to show everyone else that doing this isn't a wise choice. This would prevent others from doing the same thing for the most part, so this was a way the gods kept everything balanced and in line. This quote from the Choragos, "For God hates utterly the bray of bragging tongues." (105-106) This shows how the gods don't appreciate people going against them. They especially don't like when they are cocky and think that they match them in power.]]> 2017-04-27 02:58:49 UTC https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168534644 Vivian Uzoechi (1st) 3063331 https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168534952 Through Antigone, it is clear that Sophocles believes that the will of the gods serve for good rather than ill. Antigone, the protagonist in the play, wanted to bury her brother because she felt that it was the will of the gods. The will of the gods in this case served to comfort Antigone in her brother’s death, although it meant blatantly acting out against the law of the land, a law that was indicted by Creon against the gods. Creon set out this rule in an attempt to enforce his newly acquired power, not knowing that his will and the will of the divine may not have been the same. Despite this, his excessive pride led him to make decrees that only led to the destruction of his family. Little too late, the Choragos informs us that “There is no happiness where there is no wisdom, no wisdom but in submission to the gods. (1039-104)” If Creon had realized this sooner, he would not have lost his son, wife and future daughter-in-law. 

]]> 2017-04-27 03:02:45 UTC https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168534952 Jason Bang (2nd period) https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168535355 Sophocles thinks that the will of the gods are good for man. In lines 781-811, Creon is informed by the prophets that because he did not abide under the gods, he had to suffer the consequences. Also, in lines 800-803 specifically, the idea is presented that the gods are brutal to those who disobey them. Those who have too much pride in themselves will fall hard. By punishing those with excessive pride, the gods are doing what is best for humanity. ]]> 2017-04-27 03:07:06 UTC https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168535355 Wayne Wong (1st) https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168535538 As reflected in Antigone, Sophocles believes that the will of the gods serves man for good.  Great pride is seen as almost a sin, for which Sophocles agrees, and throughout Antigone, Creon displays great pride (hubris) in his decision to punish Antigone without consideration according to his law and not the law of the gods. "That's her affair, not ours: our hands are clean." - Creon 713.  However, when Creon has a change of heart and realizes the error in his ways, he learns a valuable lesson in pride and concession. In Haemon's analogy of a ship with a stiff sail, the ship is toppled over, and the entire voyage is over. This relates to Creon's case, where Creon loses not only his niece due to his stubbornness but also his wife and son, representing his complete loss and ended voyage. This serves man good as it makes an example out of excessive pride and the importance of modesty and consideration. In Antigone's Flaw, it was speculated that, had Antigone shown more consideration or doubt, her downfall would have been postponed or even terminated, showing that the gods-decided fate would benefit those without complete self-righteousness.

]]> 2017-04-27 03:09:25 UTC https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168535538 David Duong (1st) https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168535560 Sophocles reveals that the will of the gods serves man for good. The Greeks believed in pleasing the gods as it would lead to merit for them and it is depicted in the story. The gods will punish those who show hubris or excessive pride. "No pride on earth is free of the curse of heaven." (Line 484) Creon, for example, feared the will of the gods as he wanted to follow their command to keep what he had. In doing so, it led to the proper burial of Polynices and freeing of Antigone therefore making it good for man.]]> 2017-04-27 03:09:39 UTC https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168535560 Kayla Ho (2nd) https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168535603 Sophocles feels that the will of gods serves man for good, not ill. In Greek culture, gods are seen as the almighty controllers of fate. Their decisions are final and respected, whether the people agree or disagree with them. Creon says, “The laws of the gods are mighty, and a man must serve them To the last day of his life!” (Sophocles 879-880) In many of his works, he portrays hubris, or a certain trait of cockiness, in major characters such as Antigone and Oedipus. The gods maintain a certain balance in these characteristics, although hubris cannot fully be avoided in every situation, such as Antigone’s. Antigone is so certain in herself that she believes she doesn’t need the help of others, ultimately leading to her downfall.]]> 2017-04-27 03:10:10 UTC https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168535603 Alberto Arroyo (2nd) https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168536231 Sophocles appears to feel that the wishes of the gods serve humankind in a positive way since he sells out conflicting with the gods beings lead as an awful thing since Oedipus’ mom and dad attempt to keep away from destiny by slaughtering their child. this infuriated the gods beings and that is the reason their Oedipus youngsters needed to languish over his wrongdoings. all through the play demonstrates the gods comprehend what is for our benefit, and we ought to follow their beliefs and “footsteps”]]> 2017-04-27 03:16:55 UTC https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168536231 Caitlin Tran (3rd period) https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168536246 I believe Sophocles seems to feel that the will of gods serves man for good because Antigone, who decided she would commit a crime to do what she felt was right and bury Polyneices, took her own life. However,  Creon later realizes he was a fool to punish Antigone and his own family by making the burial of Polyneices a crime. Creon would later accept his fate of death for causing such circumstances. Stated by Creon himself, "Let it come, Let death come quickly, and be kind to me. I would not ever see the sun again... Lead me away. I have been rash and foolish. I have killed my son and my wife. I look for comfort; my comfort lies here dead. Whatever my hands touched has come to nothing. Fate has brought all my pride to a thought of dust." (Lines 1027-1038). Based off of this text, the readers are able to conclude that the gods go against those who intend harm and serves men for good rather than ill. ]]> 2017-04-27 03:17:07 UTC https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168536246 Itzel Mantilla (1st) https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168537937 In Antigone Sophocles portrayed that the will of the gods serves man for good. Throughout Antigone we see these characters use the gods as a way to justify their actions and  show the difference of what is know as man made laws and divine laws. For instance the whole reason why Antigone's brothers are dead was due to the fact that they were too full of pride which led to their demise. As for Antigone she was also full pride that she did not want to allow her brother's body  to be left to rot as a result of this she goes against the law of Creon, of course this resulted in her death. Each of these death's have a common reason which was that they all had too much pride and the gods have always punished those who have have broken divine laws, such as Creon who is warned by Teiresias who says that Creon is doomed and his fate is sealed after all of this Creon is still stubborn and believes his law is right regardless of what the gods say and ends up losing much more than he originally believed.]]> 2017-04-27 03:37:08 UTC https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168537937 Johnny La (3rd) https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168538107 Sophocles feels the will of the gods is for the good. It can add pressure/stress to something that wouldn't normally contain these characteristics. If the gods didn't have a will then everything would be let go and forgotten about so it adds a purpose to somethings that don't. ]]> 2017-04-27 03:39:35 UTC https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168538107 Giau Tran - 2nd https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168539269 From Sophocles' Greek Tragedy, Antigone, i believe that the will of the gods serves man for good over the man for ill. It was suggested through the Oracles, Teiresias, where he offered the birds of omen to the gods and ended up being rejected due to the ignorant and prideful Creon. Since Creon was too prideful, he refuses to go back on his words about burying Oedipus' son, Polyneices, to the point where he has brought mischief to himself. "...Creon, you yourself has bought this new calamity upon us...The gods are deaf when we pray to them, their fire recoils from our offering." (797-800)]]> 2017-04-27 03:54:08 UTC https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168539269 Windy Vo 2 vowindy69 https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168540129 Sophocles feels that the will of the Gods serves man for good because he believes that with their rules and regulations, it would structure the Greek society from the negative effects of ignorance and egocentrism. During this time period, the Greek Gods believe that cooperation and caring for others were the components of doing good deeds for the society around them. People, who were selfish, only focuses on themselves, were punished by the Gods/Goddesses. In Antigone, although she believed in the God’s teachings about everyone being buried with or without any sins, the Gods punished her because she didn’t accept the support from her sister Ismene nor her fiance Haemon. We didn’t notice Antigone’s flaw due to our emotions all towards her decisions for the sake of her family, but what she did wrong was that she didn’t consider other people’s thoughts into consideration. For example, when Ismene stated how she felt towards the burial situation, Antigone didn’t accept how Ismene felt and even decline her as a sister. “Go away Ismene: I shall be hating you soon, and the dead will too, for your words are hateful. Leave me my foolish plans.” (Lines 77-79) If she would have accepted and understand her sister’s decisions, then she wouldn’t have to end up dying. The Gods are just trying to form a society with love instead of hate, where everyone is civilized and doesn’t harm one another.  ]]> 2017-04-27 04:05:43 UTC https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168540129 Eryka Anzora (3rd) https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168540429 Based on Sophocles "Antigone" it is shown that he believes that the will of gods serves man for good. In the beginning of this Greek tragedy, it is said that Antigone was serving under gods will by burying her own brother, since her brother, Polyneices, fought just as hard and suffered just as much as his brother, Etecoles. Even her sister states " I beg the Dead To forgive me, but I am helpless: I must yield To those in authority. " (49-51) which means she would rather go against the god's will than the king's will, which is why she was almost punished in the end. The gods only look to punish the people who have done them wrong by like breaking a certain law or who deny their requests. If Sophocles felt that gods serves man for ill then he would have made it much more evident by having the hero (Antigone) suffer a great deal more and would have unjustifiable accusations, but the chorus and gods actually supported what Antigone is doing for her brother so the gods did her a favor by letting her die without much suffering. ]]> 2017-04-27 04:08:27 UTC https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168540429 Babatunde Akinsonu 2nd tjakinsonu3 https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168541853
I believe that Sophocles feel the will of the gods serves man for good. The Greeks respected the gods and would turn to then for help, since they beloved in their powers . 
Also, the peoples behavior is being monitored and punished, punishment which will make you think twice the next time. To have excessive pride was not appreciated by the gods and thus they used their will as a “punishment” to those. In other words, the gods wished to serve man for good, but they would punish those that went against their rules.
“For God hates utterly--- The bray of bragging tongues” (Line 105-106) here we see that people with too much pride often are punished and fall. This is important because in this society, we want to keep people from having too much pride. 

]]> 2017-04-27 04:24:29 UTC https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168541853 Newton Huynh (1st) https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168541910 If one is to consider ‘the general good’ as an adherence to the moral and justice system of the gods then it is clear that Sophocles feels that the will of the gods serves man for the general good. Throughout his drama, Antigone, Sophocles strives to portray the gods and the heavens as the ultimate chief justice of the world - a chief justice that even surpasses the temporary, wavering rule set by kings and mortals. He strives to deliver the message that the law of the heavens are the ultimate, universal law - not the rule of the state.  The ‘chief justice’ nature of the gods in this society is evident in the parados, where it is clear that the gods greatly aided  in bringing the defeat of Polyneices in their Theban war where his army “yielded their clanging arms to the god that bends the battle-line and breaks it” (Lines 117-118). Sophocles simply strives to portray the gods as an enforcer of good morals amongst men through the dishing out of punishments to those who directly oppose this set code of morals. For example, when Creon is seen with his boastful pride - his hubris- in trying to be the controller of the fate of death for both Polyneices and Antigone, he eventually is made to pay the price in the form of the lives of his son and wife. The meddling of Creon in the immortal laws of the gods “that are not merely now: they were, and shall be operative for ever, beyond man utterly” (Lines 362-363) bring upon his demise. Some may argue that the will of the gods are actually serving man for the worse; however, their argument centers around the execution of the gods rather than the true intentions. While it is still the god's intentions to keep mankind in order, they achieve this through harsh punishments and threats of wrongdoers. Thus, as a result, some people may view this as the ill-intention of the gods, when it is, in reality, the good intentions of the gods performed through a harsh execution.]]> 2017-04-27 04:25:31 UTC https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168541910 Leslie Nguyen 2 2747091 https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168543135 Sophocles seems to feel that the will of the Gods serves man is for good because the only reason man would be affected or hurt by a God is when they commit sins or worse, hubris, which is a sin for having too much pride. The people who commit these sins will usually get a punishment from the Gods like how Creon committed a hubris for having too much pride. He didn’t allow anyone to bury Polyneices even though the Gods wanted everyone to be buried, which lead Creon to the lost of his wife, son, and daughter in law. The Gods just want everyone is helping us go with our lives in in peace and with order that is why they punish us when they commit a sin. “When Laws are kept, how proudly his city stands! When the laws are broken, what of his city then?”   

]]> 2017-04-27 04:39:28 UTC https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168543135 Jacob Cruz (3rd Period) https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168547386 In the play Antigone, Sophocles clearly shows that he believes that gods serves man for good.  In the play no one with good intention is punished by the gods. Gods only punish the proud and those with bad intentions. This is shown by lines 105-106 where the Choragos says, " For God hates utterly The bray of bragging tongues; ".
In the case of the pay Creon is going to get punished because of his bad intentions of not allowing the proper burial of polynieces and for committing the terrible act of hubris]]> 2017-04-27 05:39:10 UTC https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168547386 Asia Gumataotao (3rd Period https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168609391 Sophocles believes that the will of the Gods seems  to serve the good for man. In lines 465 - 470 " Fortunate is the man who has never tasted God’s vengeance! Where once the anger of heaven has struck, that house is shaken For ever: damnation rises behind each child Like a wave cresting out of the black northeast, When the long darkness under sea roars up And bursts drumming death upon the wind whipped sand." These lines explain that if a family follows the rules that the Gods had set for mortals, then there would be no punishment for that family line. Antigone also argues that the act of burying her brother was the will of the Gods, and Teiresias, the prophet, said that his birds were fighting one another. Upon hearing this, the Choragos stated, " Go quickly: free Antigone from her vault And build a tomb for the body of Polyneices." (lines 866 - 867)]]> 2017-04-27 12:35:13 UTC https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168609391 Joseph Bilski (2nd https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168614583 In Antigone, Sophocles is biased towards the gods and following the natural order. He believes that the will of the gods serves man for good. In Antigone, the conflict between Antigone and Creon represents the conflict between following the will of the gods and ignoring their laws in favor of man's. We see that Creon, the one who disobeys god's law suffer from pride and refusal to listen to others lead to his downfall. While Antigone doesn't seek advice from anyone, she is generally agreed to be in the right by the people and characters in the play. This implies that not following the will o the gods leads to excessive wrongful pride. Sophocles support of following the gods is seen when the  Choragos states that:": There is no happiness where there is no wisdom; No wisdom but in submission to the gods. Big words are always punished, And proud men in old age learn to be wise."  ]]> 2017-04-27 12:56:14 UTC https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168614583 Xuan Hoang ( 1st Period ) https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168619041 The Sophocles seem to feel that the the will of the gods was serves for the good of men. The God's rules and the laws of King Creon were different, where Antigone did what she believed was good for the society to help with the balance of the rule of the laws. Antigone did what she believe was right for her brother- not giving into Creon's rules and leading her to her punishment. "I have not sinned before God. Or if I have, I shall know the truth in death. But if the guilt lies upon Creon who judged me, then, I pray, may his punishment equal my own. " (722-726). The Gods wanted the mankind to do what's right not just out of power on each other, where both Creon and Antigone were stubborn to realize that their intentions were meant to be good but in results lead to Antigone's death and Creon not understanding what Antigone trying doing. ]]> 2017-04-27 13:11:06 UTC https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168619041 Tiger Nguyen - 1st 273653 https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168624240 Does Sophocles seem to feel that the will of the gods serves man for good or ill?

The kind of life that Sophocles seems to advocate in this play is one of a nature of yielding and one of a nature of abiding to the gods. First and foremost, Sophocles makes it clear through the belief system of Antigone, that the superior law is “the immortal unrecorded laws of God” (lines 360 - 361). Additionally, he goes out of his way in order to give more examples of people suffering dire consequences for not heeding the wise words of the gods. Whether it be through Antigone's description of Danae or through what happened with Antigone's father and grandfather, the will of the gods will be harsh upon you if you're not devout in your belief. Creon defies what is seen as the gods' ideal solution to the problem of Polyneice's corpse and so his son dies, his niece dies, and his wife dies as a result. Not only
 that, but Creon has suffered so much that by the end of the story he wants to commit suicide himself. "Let it come, Let death come quickly, and be kind to me. I would not ever see the sun again." (lines 1027 - 1029). Through these lines, it is obvious that messing with the gods is not a wise decision.]]> 2017-04-27 13:26:23 UTC https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168624240 Huy Mai (2nd 285410 https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168648119 Sophocles seem to think that the will of the gods serve man for good because Antigone who decided to go against Creon's and bury her brother Polyneices. Later on Creon knew what he did was wrong so he decided to take away her penalty and accept his fate of death. "Let it come, let death come quickly...Fate has brought all my pride to a thought of dust."(1027-1038). This evidence shows that the gods go against the evil and serve man for good.]]> 2017-04-27 14:32:54 UTC https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/168648119 https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/378833079 2019-08-31 04:10:27 UTC https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/378833079 poopoo https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/398224853 this is ashley nugget here to discuss the matters of Antigone's pregnancy of incest babies. please listen up- I genuinely believe with all my heart that ismene should not abort her incest babies!!!! stop that nonsense!!!!  when you really truly think about it,  creon is actually ur dad. my hubby tiger nugget dont even know the half of it - my nuggets are fertilized and collected. ]]> 2019-10-16 00:07:00 UTC https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/398224853 skrrrrraaaa (1st) https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/398225327 2019-10-16 00:08:25 UTC https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/398225327 https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/454084948 2020-03-04 02:31:29 UTC https://padlet.com/jenntrammell23/67hnqdd4zqwd/wish/454084948