https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6 Socratic Seminar en-us 2016-12-07 16:23:02 UTC 2017-10-05 18:08:34 UTC hello@padlet.com https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194416776 The author is most likely a Religious Fanatic, connecting everything to religion. ->Tionne
Very true, the point of view could be tainted with hindsight. ->Galvin

]]> 2017-10-05 17:29:07 UTC https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194416776 https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194416782 2017-10-05 17:29:08 UTC https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194416782 https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194419724 Older Gary was definitely more religious. Younger Gary was oblivious to what he did while Old G was regretful of his actions. Also I would like to say that in some cases, you're born into a religion and you just follow the rules as a kid but as an adult and having your own responsibilities you get to actually choose what to believe and he chose to stay with Christianity.]]> 2017-10-05 17:34:41 UTC https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194419724 https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194419790 younger gary is more religious because he seemed really guilty about it and called it a fall form grace]]> 2017-10-05 17:34:49 UTC https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194419790 https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194420081 The biblical allusions contributed to how he felt, how he wanted to readers to feel, and to make connections to the world on how he acted and everyone else

]]> 2017-10-05 17:35:17 UTC https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194420081 ivacflo8720 https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194420227 The biblical allusions are to emphasize the influence of religion into his thoughts and actions. As he reflects on his choices, Soto is reminded of different stories that make up his principles.]]> 2017-10-05 17:35:33 UTC https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194420227 emicada0820 https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194420391 To me, the biblical influence is to give an insight to how he is raised in a biblical setting and how it influences him.]]> 2017-10-05 17:35:48 UTC https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194420391 kevle3120 https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194420690 I feel like the biblical allusions are due to the fact that he, Gary, is still innocent and when being exposed to the real world, how that changes his beliefs and such. But that's just me.]]> 2017-10-05 17:36:15 UTC https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194420690 natttho2020 https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194420701 The biblical influence revealed how Gary valued sins and religion as a kid rather than being an adult as he is writing The Pie

]]> 2017-10-05 17:36:16 UTC https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194420701 jonorod4520 https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194421030 The religious things tied into his feelings and how he felt and as he grew older he was able to see it from a different point of view and seeing how wrong he was.]]> 2017-10-05 17:36:49 UTC https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194421030 https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194421090 Have yall thought about how the tone and attitude he created helped the biblical allusions come to life]]> 2017-10-05 17:36:55 UTC https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194421090 duljavi3120 https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194421594 I agree with Gavon that older Gary is more religious than younger Gary.]]> 2017-10-05 17:37:47 UTC https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194421594 https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194421748 Yeah i agree bc older Gary learned from his actions and reflected so he's now more religious or at least understands]]> 2017-10-05 17:38:04 UTC https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194421748 https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194422037 no because he still remembers his guilt

]]> 2017-10-05 17:38:35 UTC https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194422037 emicada0820 https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194422218 I agree with Kayla and Kevin. When he was younger and he stole the pie, he knew it was wrong but when he realized his mistake, he went to religion.

]]> 2017-10-05 17:38:55 UTC https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194422218 jocagon3220 https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194422272 I dont think he would steal the pie again because of how much doubt he had towards stealing the pie.]]> 2017-10-05 17:39:00 UTC https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194422272 kevle3120 https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194422473 The goal, I feel, Gary had recounting this story is to show other kids young in their faith that sin and desire can change a person and to let this experience guide kids on a better path. That's just me though.]]> 2017-10-05 17:39:20 UTC https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194422473 https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194422543 He may not steal much more but he still probably would considering we are all human]]> 2017-10-05 17:39:28 UTC https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194422543 https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194422553 I think it was to shed a little light on his past and teach the lesson to never steal

]]> 2017-10-05 17:39:30 UTC https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194422553 https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194422702 His relationship with food seems to be unhealthy, maybe he has a food disorder and this story is part of a therapy group.]]> 2017-10-05 17:39:44 UTC https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194422702 ivacflo8720 https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194422961 I agree with Obed in that it was Soto's first time sinning and it was sort of relating to the theme topic of "Lord of The Flies" about loss of innocence and how it does not come with age, but of free will. It was also meant to remind the audience and himself that although a sin is irreversible, it should not outweigh a person's good deeds.]]> 2017-10-05 17:40:09 UTC https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194422961 natttho2020 https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194423032 I think the goal was to reflect on small sins as a child and to kind of get a relief from just a personal idea that was wrong.

]]> 2017-10-05 17:40:15 UTC https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194423032 zulzul8320 https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194423198 I believe Gary shared his story to shed light on stealing and his personal experience which reflected major religious concerns.]]> 2017-10-05 17:40:30 UTC https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194423198 https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194423207 We learn from our actions and for people to understand wrong, he needed to have done wrong]]> 2017-10-05 17:40:31 UTC https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194423207 jocagon3220 https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194423358 I think the concept of stealing pie is something far bigger than just a pie. Theres more meaning to the action itself.]]> 2017-10-05 17:40:44 UTC https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194423358 https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194423458 There was a huge parallel about Gary and the Adam and Eve story, after all temptation was what got Adam and Eve in trouble and in that case Gary was tempted by doing wrong. ]]> 2017-10-05 17:40:55 UTC https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194423458 duljavi3120 https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194423648 I agree that his goal for telling this story was so that he can relieve himself because what he did was wrong and he knows it was wrong and he really believes it was a sin.]]> 2017-10-05 17:41:13 UTC https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194423648 kevle3120 https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194423734 A sin is something that can be forgiven, by whoever, but can never truly be forgotten in someone's life. ]]> 2017-10-05 17:41:19 UTC https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194423734 kevle3120 https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194423757 2017-10-05 17:41:21 UTC https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194423757 emicada0820 https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194423946 I think that the reason Gary shared his story was to show how even though it may start out feeling good, stealing isn't good.

]]> 2017-10-05 17:41:45 UTC https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194423946 https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194424274 I knew sin was what you took and didnt give back- this means that the things you do cant be undone and the same goes for sins, when you sin you cant erase what you did or how you made others feel because time only goes forward and we learn from these things that we cant change

]]> 2017-10-05 17:42:16 UTC https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194424274 jocagon3220 https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194424337 Once you sin, theres no making it any better, or making it okay. ]]> 2017-10-05 17:42:22 UTC https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194424337 zulzul8320 https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194424338 Think of sin, as Garyś innocence. He lost his innocence when he chose to steal the pie.]]> 2017-10-05 17:42:22 UTC https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194424338 duljavi3120 https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194424380 "i knew sin was what you took and didn't give back" to me that means that once you commit a sin it will always stay with you. ]]> 2017-10-05 17:42:27 UTC https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194424380 natttho2020 https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194424400 i think the phrase represented that sin is something that cannot be taken back after one has committed a sin so he could not undo it]]> 2017-10-05 17:42:29 UTC https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194424400 https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194424478 Your hands are dirty resembles that he is full of sin that simple. Johnny, I felt like, was resembling God as he was looking over his shoulder but the more important part was when he gave Gary a chance to repent for his actions, but Gary failed Johnny so J replies by your hands are dirty (Sin]]> 2017-10-05 17:42:35 UTC https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194424478 jonorod4520 https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194424666 Sin is something that you will always carry for your whole life.]]> 2017-10-05 17:42:53 UTC https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194424666 https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194424776 2017-10-05 17:43:05 UTC https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194424776 emicada0820 https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194424949 I believe that Gary means that when you take something, it can't be taken back or undone.]]> 2017-10-05 17:43:23 UTC https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194424949 zulzul8320 https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194425133 What do you think is wrong with Gary´s statement, ¨the best things in life, are stolen.¨]]> 2017-10-05 17:43:41 UTC https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194425133 kevle3120 https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194425645 The line, "Your hands are dirty," could mean that Cross-Eyed Johnny sort of knows of what Gary has done and how he refused to give him a piece of the food too. It could also be an allusion to sin, as ]]> 2017-10-05 17:44:30 UTC https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194425645 dessry8620 https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194425686 2017-10-05 17:44:33 UTC https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194425686 https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194425690 Your hands are dirty importance- He wanted to illustrate the point that everyone does it, that the things you do are important. I think the author wanted the readers to know that adult Gary, when he reflects on this, knows that what he did was wrong]]> 2017-10-05 17:44:34 UTC https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194425690 natttho2020 https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194425743 It means that he committed the sins with his hands and that dirty represented how he is not holy by sinning for the pie which Johnny showed he was more than just a boy.]]> 2017-10-05 17:44:38 UTC https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194425743 jocagon3220 https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194425893 To me the sentence "your hands are dirty", means hes done so much bad that its noticable to others, and the sins hes done has made him act differently in a negative way. ]]> 2017-10-05 17:44:53 UTC https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194425893 zulzul8320 https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194426005 ¨Your hands are dirty.¨ I think this represents sin, and how stealing had corrupted him in a way.]]> 2017-10-05 17:45:04 UTC https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194426005 dessry8620 https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194426140 It reflects on what a he had committed of stealing the pie which is a sin and that can not be washed off ]]> 2017-10-05 17:45:21 UTC https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194426140 emicada0820 https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194426404 To me, the comment "Your hands are dirty" is kind of has a biblical meaning. A sin is dirty. By stealing the pie and eating it, Gary's hands become dirty and therefore he becomes dirty with sin.]]> 2017-10-05 17:45:46 UTC https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194426404 https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194426966 I really like the comment about how the dirty hands represents sin and that the stealing had corrupted him ]]> 2017-10-05 17:46:35 UTC https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194426966 https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194427005 Ask about the connection with water and it's typical religious uses >.]]> 2017-10-05 17:46:38 UTC https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194427005 zulzul8320 https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194427056 How do you think Gary was able to enjoy the pie so much, even with so much guilt on his shoulders?]]> 2017-10-05 17:46:45 UTC https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194427056 https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194427673 Why was crossed eyes included ]]> 2017-10-05 17:47:42 UTC https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194427673 https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194427836 Why would he not think that what he did was a sin? if you're asking why he thinks it was a sin then ask why not]]> 2017-10-05 17:47:56 UTC https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194427836 zulzul8320 https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194427878 Gary came from a religious background, where he was taught what is right and wrong. When he stole, he knew the reasons for why it was wrong. Therefore, religiously, he believed that stealing was a sin]]> 2017-10-05 17:48:00 UTC https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194427878 duljavi3120 https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194427924 he believes what he did was wrong and in his religious doing something wrong is a sin and what he did wrong was steal. ]]> 2017-10-05 17:48:04 UTC https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194427924 https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194427980 was cross]]> 2017-10-05 17:48:11 UTC https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194427980 https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194428004 he belives strongly because in the way he was raised in his religion stealing is a sin

]]> 2017-10-05 17:48:14 UTC https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194428004 natttho2020 https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194428122 Kayla no questions!]]> 2017-10-05 17:48:25 UTC https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194428122 natttho2020 https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194428397 Kayla no ]]> 2017-10-05 17:48:48 UTC https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194428397 ivacflo8720 https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194428874 Cross-eyed Johnny was showing Soto that his sin was seen through his greed when he did not share his pie with Johnny.]]> 2017-10-05 17:49:17 UTC https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194428874 https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194428917 i think that we need to ask questions]]> 2017-10-05 17:49:21 UTC https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194428917 https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194429085 2017-10-05 17:49:41 UTC https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194429085 jocagon3220 https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194430866 2017-10-05 17:52:43 UTC https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194430866 jocagon3220 https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194430876 I agree with Nathan & Kayla cross-eye Johnny brings something different to the table. he is like a angel figure . he represent the so little innocent in Gary ]]> 2017-10-05 17:52:44 UTC https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194430876 https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194431179 What does Johnny falling off of the roof represent]]> 2017-10-05 17:53:19 UTC https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194431179 https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194431551 I don´t feel like it is an eating disorder i feel like the description of the him eating the pie was the guilt that he swallowed.]]> 2017-10-05 17:53:58 UTC https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194431551 https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194431638 In my opinion cross-eyed Johnny to me would be a character that is a deeper meaning to Gary, and by him saying no to Johnny then he did another sin if it was an angel or his conscience.]]> 2017-10-05 17:54:08 UTC https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194431638 https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194431653 Cross eyed johnny can be viewed as a the innocent one or the good person so Gary´s actions are a bad influence for Johnny.]]> 2017-10-05 17:54:10 UTC https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194431653 patarob6820 https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194431724 Cross-eyed johnny represents another form of guilt that little gary ignores]]> 2017-10-05 17:54:19 UTC https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194431724 https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194431841 2017-10-05 17:54:33 UTC https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194431841 https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194432280 the devil is usually like an ugly creature when expressed. so maybe cross eyed johnny was the devil. telling gary he's bad now. his hands are dirty.

]]> 2017-10-05 17:55:17 UTC https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194432280 luiasot6120 https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194433335 I think that this could be Gary Soto in the future talking about his first experience with his eating disorder because younger Gary Soto is eating the pie in an excessive manner]]> 2017-10-05 17:57:15 UTC https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194433335 https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194433728 Food maybe be the only thing that fills him up emotionally and physically and at the moment he was in front of the pie so the tempt him to do a sin]]> 2017-10-05 17:57:57 UTC https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194433728 https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194434265 He stole the pie because he's bored?]]> 2017-10-05 17:59:02 UTC https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194434265 patarob6820 https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194434355 I think he has a problem with stealing not eating,"the best things in life came stolen."]]> 2017-10-05 17:59:12 UTC https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194434355 jocagon3220 https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194434391 wrong!!! i disagree with Danielle and the eating disorder . just because you have shoved chunky pies down your throat doesn't mean anything,people jug water down their throat that doesn't mean you have a eating disorder]]> 2017-10-05 17:59:15 UTC https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194434391 https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194434549 2017-10-05 17:59:29 UTC https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194434549 https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194434808 In this story what is the deeper meaning of the pie? What does it show?]]> 2017-10-05 17:59:49 UTC https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194434808 zulzul8320 https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194435222 i agree with jocelyn , i think the pie has a bigger meaning.

]]> 2017-10-05 18:00:24 UTC https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194435222 https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194435627 I think that religion is being forced on soto so he is acting out by stealing the pie.]]> 2017-10-05 18:00:59 UTC https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194435627 luiasot6120 https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194435912 Could Gary Soto have been mentally ill due to the voices that he has been hearing? Hearing voices isn't normal...]]> 2017-10-05 18:01:23 UTC https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194435912 https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194435950 2017-10-05 18:01:27 UTC https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194435950 https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194436091 well that was the reason he stole the pie in the first place.......because he was bored and wanted to try new things.]]> 2017-10-05 18:01:41 UTC https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194436091 patarob6820 https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194436331 Gary said God was howling in the plumbing, God wouldn't be telling him to do bad things...]]> 2017-10-05 18:02:04 UTC https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194436331 https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194436423 2017-10-05 18:02:12 UTC https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194436423 https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194436499 Whenever he was alone your emotions and mentalities may make you do bad things in that you forget what is good ]]> 2017-10-05 18:02:21 UTC https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194436499 jocagon3220 https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194437871 If God tries to make people innocent why would he tell someone to do all these bad things that are bad and forbidden to do in the bible]]> 2017-10-05 18:04:40 UTC https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194437871 https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194438119 You may know a lot about the good but the bad is always there to make you sin and he probably knew what may happen he just was not strong enough]]> 2017-10-05 18:05:09 UTC https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194438119 patarob6820 https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194438136 He wasn't old enough to comprehend ]]> 2017-10-05 18:05:11 UTC https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194438136 https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194438259 His thirst represents him straying from religion]]> 2017-10-05 18:05:25 UTC https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194438259 zulzul8320 https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194438496 jordan has a point about little gary still being young and still learning and didnt know much about hell and sinning but i also still agree with jocelyn, that the pie may have had a bigger meaning , this story may not even be about the food pie , it can referre to something else , something bigger. ]]> 2017-10-05 18:05:48 UTC https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194438496 https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194439415 The rush of the bad is amazing but if really think about it it is really bad and it may feel good at the time but you will have regrets after your sin ]]> 2017-10-05 18:07:28 UTC https://padlet.com/josh_reed1/period6/wish/194439415