Remake of Descent to Savagery by David Ramirez https://padlet.com/david_ra2167/5vkyem3c57hzdy5p Lord of the Flies: In your selection of passages, focus on the following: the fire, the ship, the conch, Piggy's glasses, the Lord of the Flies, the island, Simon, Piggy, Ralph, and Jack en-us 2020-09-18 21:51:12 UTC 2023-03-25 21:30:11 UTC hello@padlet.com https://padlet.net/icons/png/1f4d6.png Chapter 1 - The Conch david_ra2167 https://padlet.com/david_ra2167/5vkyem3c57hzdy5p/wish/760410676 "This toy of voting was almost as pleasing as the conch... But there was a stillness about Ralph as he sat that marked him out: there was his size, and attractive appearance; and most obscurely, yet most powerfully, there was the conch" (22). 

The diction regarding the vote is most significant here. That voting is described as a "toy" signifies that the boys don't see their situation as real or something they need to take seriously but rather just a game that they're playing. This moment also sets up the conch as a powerful symbol of unity and civilization. That Ralph having the conch is identified as a reason for the boys choosing him as chief denotes its power in their eyes. As the novel progresses, we see the conch serve as boys' connection to their old life, but the longer they stay on the island, the weaker this connection becomes (as is illustrated by the conch fading in color in later chapters).]]> 2020-09-18 21:51:12 UTC https://padlet.com/david_ra2167/5vkyem3c57hzdy5p/wish/760410676 Chapter 2 - The Fire david_ra2167 https://padlet.com/david_ra2167/5vkyem3c57hzdy5p/wish/760410677 "They flapped at the first of the trees, and the branches grew a brief foliage of fire.  The heart of flame leapt nimbly across the gap between the trees and then went swinging and flaring along the whole row of them.  Beneath the capering boys a quarter of a mile square of forest was savage with smoke and flame.  The separate noises of the fire merged into a drum roll that seemed to shake the mountain" (44)

The idea of the fire is being developed as a symbol of hope  for the boys to get off of the island.  They are excited as the fire begins to engulf the mountain; as children it can be inferred that they were not allowed to play with fire, thus again, representing a game for them.  However, the diction used to portray the fire personifies it as an almost evil being that is set on destruction, foreshadowing  what the fire comes to represent/how it is used in the final chapters. ]]> 2020-09-18 21:51:12 UTC https://padlet.com/david_ra2167/5vkyem3c57hzdy5p/wish/760410677 Chapter 3 - Jack david_ra2167 https://padlet.com/david_ra2167/5vkyem3c57hzdy5p/wish/760410678 "He [Jack] tried to convey the compulsion to track down and kill that was swallowing him up" (51).

Though in this moment Jack is focused on hunting and killing a pig, it certainly foreshadows behavior that it is to come. Jack's strong desire to kill is literally "swallowing him up" (51), and it is significant that it not defined what he wants to track down and kill. The absence of the pig denotes that eventually, Jack will need to move on to hunting something other than pigs (humans) in order to satisfy this thirst.]]> 2020-09-18 21:51:12 UTC https://padlet.com/david_ra2167/5vkyem3c57hzdy5p/wish/760410678 Chapter 4 - Roger david_ra2167 https://padlet.com/david_ra2167/5vkyem3c57hzdy5p/wish/760410680 "Roger's  arm was conditioned by a civilization that knew nothing of him and was in ruins" (62).

Roger is representative of the descent into savagery very quickly, as he embodies an evil nature that hasn't yet come to surface. Roger hesitates in throwing the rock for now, because his behavior is conditioned by the rules of a society that he's no longer part of. But, this moment foreshadows that he won't be stayed for long by the rules, as there are no adults there to monitor his behavior and dish out consequences when he steps out of line. 

This moment is also ironic because the civilization Roger emanates from is in ruins due to a war; Roger's behavior is deemed unacceptable in a civilized society, but is seen as acceptable in war. As the children try to hold on to civilization, their own is in ruins due to similar behavior the boys engage in that deems them as savages.]]> 2020-09-18 21:51:12 UTC https://padlet.com/david_ra2167/5vkyem3c57hzdy5p/wish/760410680 Chapter 4 - The Passing Ship david_ra2167 https://padlet.com/david_ra2167/5vkyem3c57hzdy5p/wish/760410681 "I was chief, and you were going to do what I said. You talk. But you can't even build huts--then you go off hunting and let out the fire--"... "There was a ship--" (71).

The hope of rescue is symbolized by the prospect of signaling a ship with a fire. It's the first idea the boys have while on the island, knowing this is their only hope at rescue. When the ship passes, their hope of rescue diminishes. The boys are unsure if they'll ever have another opportunity to be rescued. Thus, this passing ship and their lack of ability to track it down symbolizes a loss of hope. When the boys lost hope that they'll be rescued, they also start to lose accountability of their actions. This is truly the moment that begins their descent; if they won't be rescued, then they won't have to answer to their deeds on the island. ]]> 2020-09-18 21:51:12 UTC https://padlet.com/david_ra2167/5vkyem3c57hzdy5p/wish/760410681 Chapter 5 - The beast from the water. david_ra2167 https://padlet.com/david_ra2167/5vkyem3c57hzdy5p/wish/760417122 “ “the rules!” shouted Ralph. “You’re breaking the rules!” “who cares?” Ralph summoned his wits. “Because rules are all we’ve got!” But jack was shouting against him “Bollocks to the rules! We’re strong we hunt”” (Golding 91)

The conflict between Jack and Ralph shows to sides of their contrasting views on how they should live on the island. Ralph believes that there needs to be rules and their has to be an organized civilization or they won't survive. Jack acts on his emotions and is more savage, he doesn't care about rules and thinks they should be allowed to do what they want. The conflict between Jack and Ralph demonstrates the two ways of life on the island.]]> 2020-09-18 21:56:50 UTC https://padlet.com/david_ra2167/5vkyem3c57hzdy5p/wish/760417122 Chapter 6 - The Beast abbynve8584 https://padlet.com/david_ra2167/5vkyem3c57hzdy5p/wish/760417946 "We know who ought to say things. What good did Simon do speaking, or Bill, or Walter? It's time some people knew they've got to keep quiet and leave deciding things to the rest of us."

As the boys go on a search for the beast, they encounter several arguments, one of them was between the two older boys, Jack and Ralph. This quote conveys how Ralph's power starts to diminish as Jack speaks up against the rules, Jack uses the illusion threat of the beast to project fear in the boys and takes advantage to influence the others to join his cult of savagery throughout the rest of the story.]]> 2020-09-18 21:57:39 UTC https://padlet.com/david_ra2167/5vkyem3c57hzdy5p/wish/760417946 Chapter 5- Beast from the Water zoema2999 https://padlet.com/david_ra2167/5vkyem3c57hzdy5p/wish/760428057 Now they talk—not only the littluns, but my hunters sometimes—talk of a thing, a dark thing, a beast, some sort of animal.” 

This is a significant part in the book because it introduces the beast which is one of the most significant parts in the book. This is when they found out about the beast even though they were still a little skeptical about it.


]]> 2020-09-18 22:07:01 UTC https://padlet.com/david_ra2167/5vkyem3c57hzdy5p/wish/760428057 Chapter 7 - Shadows and Tall Trees david_ra2167 https://padlet.com/david_ra2167/5vkyem3c57hzdy5p/wish/760431930 "Ralph found himself taking giant srides amounf the ashes, heard other creatures crying out and leaping, and dared the imposssible on the dark slope; presently the mountain was deserted, save for the three abonded sticks and the thing that bowed." Ralph and the others see the dead pilot and assume its the beast. The prolonged exposure to the island makes them immediatley thrust their fears of the beast onto the figure. The figure demonstrates their fears and the truth of the beast the boys all think that this is the beast because of their fears and dont question it. While Simon who is wise recognizes the truth that it is just a dead man.

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The setting of the book known as the island seems to try and make the boy’s life harder and harder. The island is almost used with personification but not directly. This quote exemplifies that life is already hard on the island but now it has become even more difficult. They feel even more trapped then they were before and this might cause more conflict.


]]> 2020-09-18 22:10:50 UTC https://padlet.com/david_ra2167/5vkyem3c57hzdy5p/wish/760432266 Chapter 9-A view to a Death zoema2999 https://padlet.com/david_ra2167/5vkyem3c57hzdy5p/wish/760435039 ¨The beast, struggled forward, broke the ring, and fell over the steep edge of the rock...Simon's dead body moved out toward the open sea¨(Golding,153-154) 

Simon''s death opens the idea of savagery and that it had really set in the boys at this point in the book. They killed their own and tried later to defend themselves and justify why they had done it. The killing of Simon also represents their fall in civility and the down slope in the book. ]]> 2020-09-18 22:13:32 UTC https://padlet.com/david_ra2167/5vkyem3c57hzdy5p/wish/760435039 Chapter 10 - The shell and the Glasses abbynve8584 https://padlet.com/david_ra2167/5vkyem3c57hzdy5p/wish/760438690 "I know. They didn't come for the conch. They came for something else. Ralph - what am I going to do?"

An important part in the story where Jack and his hunters ambush the boys to steal Piggy's specs. Like Ralph said they could have asked for them but instead they practiced robbery, this shows that their savagery is gradually becoming worse. ]]> 2020-09-18 22:17:03 UTC https://padlet.com/david_ra2167/5vkyem3c57hzdy5p/wish/760438690 Chapter 11- Castle Rock zoema2999 https://padlet.com/david_ra2167/5vkyem3c57hzdy5p/wish/760441655 ¨the conch exploded into a thousand white fragments and ceased to exist...Piggy´s arms and legs twitched a bit...Piggy was gone¨ (Golding,181)

This was a huge part in the book.This symbolizes that their civilization is broken. They have become corrupt and Ralph with his remaining tribe have become helpless. Jack rules by fear and he instates that by killing Piggy and shattering the conch. Ralph lost all of his tribe to Jack, either by death or by capture. All hope of being rescued is withdrawn. This may cause Ralph to go crazy. He might try to rebel against Jack again. How it will turn out is still in question. Ralph will become angry and may become blind to his actions.



]]> 2020-09-18 22:19:41 UTC https://padlet.com/david_ra2167/5vkyem3c57hzdy5p/wish/760441655 Chapter 12 - Deaths of Piggy and Simon abbynve8584 https://padlet.com/david_ra2167/5vkyem3c57hzdy5p/wish/760447014 "Ralph nodded again. Behind him, the whole island was shuddering with flame. The officer knew, as a rule, when people were telling the truth."

As the officer asks Ralph how many deaths there were jokingly, Ralph tells him Simon and Piggy are gone forever, judging by the appearance of Jack and his hunters, Ralph running away, and the whole island in flames, the officer knew how and why this happened, as he had witnessed this before, because in the navy lots of people get to travel to different places were cultures vary, he knew in fact that these British kids turned into complete savages. ]]> 2020-09-18 22:25:05 UTC https://padlet.com/david_ra2167/5vkyem3c57hzdy5p/wish/760447014