Catch-22 - 2nd Hr by Mary Clinkert https://padlet.com/mclinkert/5jhbb9bd45pe Catch-22 Definitions and Connections to source texts en-us 2017-03-06 05:13:41 UTC 2017-03-26 20:02:13 UTC hello@padlet.com B.S. https://padlet.com/mclinkert/5jhbb9bd45pe/wish/158030927 Catch-22 situations are explored in several stories we covered so far. I chose Lifeboat Ethics and The Lottery. Both stories explore how community decisions can disadvantage a few to benefit a whole.  I see Catch-22 situations all the time.

Lifeboat ethics and the lottery are stories of Catch-22 situations.

In Lifeboat Ethics, we see how The World Food Bank helps and hinders less developed countries.  We can choose to either enable them or not support them, both with negative consequences.  The Food Bank also can be abused by wealthier countries saving for their own down times.

The authors state the situation in a way that both situations do not benefit all parties, but usually favor the larger party.  That in life, these situations can not be escaped and should not weigh on one's conscience.

]]> 2017-03-06 14:35:01 UTC https://padlet.com/mclinkert/5jhbb9bd45pe/wish/158030927 Katy B. https://padlet.com/mclinkert/5jhbb9bd45pe/wish/158031052 I saw this term in Life Boat Ethics and Singer’s Solution. The authors put you in and describe the situations most people could be put into. They decribe how both situations are of moral matters, but only one could play out safely, the other would be destroyed. Like in Singer’s Solution, Bob had to make the decision of either saving a child he didn’t know or saving his car. If he chose either one, one would die. ]]> 2017-03-06 14:35:23 UTC https://padlet.com/mclinkert/5jhbb9bd45pe/wish/158031052 Catch 22 - Justin D. https://padlet.com/mclinkert/5jhbb9bd45pe/wish/158031080 Omelas - The prosperity of Omelas depends on the suffering of a child. If the child were to be free, the city of Omelas would come down

Lifeboat Ethics - We want to help the poor, but helping the poor would only inadvertently hurt them more

Singer Solution - According to his analogy with the car investment and the child on the train tracks, we can not have our excess wealth without hurting the poor but we can not help the poor without giving that wealth up


Catch 22 in life - You can’t get good work without experience, but you can’t get experience without good work

]]> 2017-03-06 14:35:26 UTC https://padlet.com/mclinkert/5jhbb9bd45pe/wish/158031080 Mitch J. mitchell_j_johnson https://padlet.com/mclinkert/5jhbb9bd45pe/wish/158032076 One explored the idea of how helping the poor could be a bad thing, they thin out a population by sacrificing one person at a time.
The authors tell us the reasons behind not helping the poor, like you save yourself sometimes in certain situations if you do not help the poor.

]]> 2017-03-06 14:37:57 UTC https://padlet.com/mclinkert/5jhbb9bd45pe/wish/158032076 Catch 22 - Peter S. https://padlet.com/mclinkert/5jhbb9bd45pe/wish/158032194 Catch-22


a dilemma or difficult circumstance from which there is no escape because of mutually conflicting or dependent conditions. Google

a frustrating situation in which one is trapped by contradictory regulations or conditions. Dictionary.com

 I believe the lottery is an example of catch-22. Because there is no escaping the lottery.

 In the lottery everyone gets a slip of paper children to adult and are forced to pick all the sheets until one family ends up with the dot. Then they family has to chose and whoever gets the dot gets stoned to death so their sacrifice will be taken by the Gods to give the town a better harvest on their crops. 

I believe that Omelas was another story because one child has his life taken away for others to strive.

In Omelas, one child is locked in a broom closet. The others pretend they are happy although all of them know that the one child is locked away in a closet and no one can do anything to help him. But with his sacrifice or no escape makes it better for everyone else. 

]]> 2017-03-06 14:38:13 UTC https://padlet.com/mclinkert/5jhbb9bd45pe/wish/158032194 Nate N. https://padlet.com/mclinkert/5jhbb9bd45pe/wish/158032578 https://docs.google.com/a/district158.org/document/d/1UBg8OJVC3tdwZL97Zb87uRYUaPV_FvSbpU7rbQLeEfI/edit?usp=sharing]]> 2017-03-06 14:39:12 UTC https://padlet.com/mclinkert/5jhbb9bd45pe/wish/158032578 Catch 22 - Zack T. https://padlet.com/mclinkert/5jhbb9bd45pe/wish/158032606 Catch- 22: a dilemma or difficult circumstance from which there is no escape because of mutually conflicting or dependent conditions.

You can see thing is “Lifeboat ethics” the people in the boat are torn from helping the others and letting them drown. If they let them in they all will drown. 

You can also see this in “The Lottery” the people may not agree with the lottery but everyone plays along. The selected person has no escape from the event.

]]> 2017-03-06 14:39:15 UTC https://padlet.com/mclinkert/5jhbb9bd45pe/wish/158032606 Catch-22 Jaden G. jaden_j_ganassin https://padlet.com/mclinkert/5jhbb9bd45pe/wish/158032716 Catch-22
~ a dilemma or difficult circumstance from which there is no escape because of mutually conflicting or dependent conditions.
~ Omelas, kid being trapped under the stairs, for the happiness of everyone else. 

Seen in: Omelas, the lottery, who is picked then stoned to death, 
Explored: seen as normal and without it life would never be okay. 

]]> 2017-03-06 14:39:33 UTC https://padlet.com/mclinkert/5jhbb9bd45pe/wish/158032716 Catch 22- Jaosn Pawlak https://padlet.com/mclinkert/5jhbb9bd45pe/wish/158032874 2017-03-06 14:39:58 UTC https://padlet.com/mclinkert/5jhbb9bd45pe/wish/158032874 Catch 22-Olivia L https://padlet.com/mclinkert/5jhbb9bd45pe/wish/158032903 Catch 22- A problematic situation for which the only solution is denied by a circumstance inherent in the problem or by a rule.

I find that they all tie together in the way that one must sacrifice a life for a society to continue on.

]]> 2017-03-06 14:40:02 UTC https://padlet.com/mclinkert/5jhbb9bd45pe/wish/158032903 A.G. https://padlet.com/mclinkert/5jhbb9bd45pe/wish/158033420 Catch-22 means a dilemma or difficult circumstance from which there is no escape because of mutually conflicting or dependent conditions.

I think all the authors we read made several catch-22 references, using  their own stories.
]]> 2017-03-06 14:41:19 UTC https://padlet.com/mclinkert/5jhbb9bd45pe/wish/158033420 Ryan Wolch https://padlet.com/mclinkert/5jhbb9bd45pe/wish/158034434 I feel that The Lifeboat Ethics and The Lottery best represents catch 22 because it shows the concept that people can gain from the misfortune and suffering on other people.]]> 2017-03-06 14:43:30 UTC https://padlet.com/mclinkert/5jhbb9bd45pe/wish/158034434 Catch 22 - Brent P. https://padlet.com/mclinkert/5jhbb9bd45pe/wish/158034644 https://docs.google.com/a/district158.org/document/d/1nOczniNppGKcQkd-kuye5gkxyehchC_K7VoTJ3YBdbw/edit?usp=sharing]]> 2017-03-06 14:43:57 UTC https://padlet.com/mclinkert/5jhbb9bd45pe/wish/158034644 Catch-22 Sam A. https://padlet.com/mclinkert/5jhbb9bd45pe/wish/158035326 Omelas demonstrate this with the child locked in the basement. Citizens want to free the child, but if they do they sacrifice their own happiness proving there is no good answer. Same with Lifeboat Ethics. We would like to help the poor, and stop starvation and disaster, but in order to do that, the rich countries would have to suffer.]]> 2017-03-06 14:45:04 UTC https://padlet.com/mclinkert/5jhbb9bd45pe/wish/158035326 Catch-22 Grace G and Stephanie B :) https://padlet.com/mclinkert/5jhbb9bd45pe/wish/158035427 Catch 22 is explored in mostly all of our stories by showing the society is sacrificing the happiness of some individual for the happiness of the society. For example, in the Lottery, the towns people stone some person by fate to make them have a good crop season.
Also, in the Omelas, the child in the basement is being sacrificed for the happiness of the town.
Bullies at HHS! they can pick on some kids to make themselves feel better.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1l5tSPZSqAQDnDvJSiNe48rWzWDqiG4gonhhdlb7TRBQ/edit]]> 2017-03-06 14:45:18 UTC https://padlet.com/mclinkert/5jhbb9bd45pe/wish/158035427 Catch-22 Delaney K. https://padlet.com/mclinkert/5jhbb9bd45pe/wish/158036905 Catch-22: is a paradoxical situation from which an individual cannot escape because of contradictory rules. A dilemma or difficult circumstance from which there is no escape because of mutually conflicting or dependent conditions. In Omelas they have to decide between there happiness and the happiness of a little boy. They believe that if they stop neglecting this child and start treating him with kindness and respect that the community would be filled with guilt and hate and they would lose there happiness. In lifeboat ethics the passengers on the lifeboat have to decide if let are going to save the people in the water or if they will leave them to die. There are 50 people on the boat and the boat can only hold 60 people, who do they let on the boat, there is a food supply for 50 people for one month but the more people they let on the less food they have. In the Lifeboat Ethics the author argues that we should it is our moral duty to help those in need but they will later then take advantage of us. In the Singer Solution, Bob has to make a decision either save his car or a little boy. Bob parked his car on the tracks and a little down tracks there  is a little boy playing as well, suddenly there is a train coming, he only has time save one of them. He can either switch the track and save the boy or ignore the situation and let the boy be killed by the train. The authors use situations and stories to make the readers think and make decision which helps the reader image the story instead of just reading it. The authors challenge are morals and force us to see how we impact our society. The authors show us how we neglect our moral duties like helping those who live in poverty, it makes you reflect on your own decisions and actions.  

]]> 2017-03-06 14:48:33 UTC https://padlet.com/mclinkert/5jhbb9bd45pe/wish/158036905 Catch 22-Shaelyn O'Rilley and Hailie Nosek https://padlet.com/mclinkert/5jhbb9bd45pe/wish/158037358 Catch 22 definition applies to "The Lottery" because Tesse got stoned to death because she got the white slip with the black dot. The ritual they follow is whoever has the slip with the black dot gets stoned to death by the townspeople. 

Another applicant that goes along with the definition is Omelas. The child who has to suffers by living in a prison room. If the child were to be free, then the city would lose its tradition.]]> 2017-03-06 14:49:24 UTC https://padlet.com/mclinkert/5jhbb9bd45pe/wish/158037358 Catch 22 - Jacob G. jacob_gebka https://padlet.com/mclinkert/5jhbb9bd45pe/wish/158037866 In Omelas, there is a baby that is kept in terrible condition. However, nobody wants to help him because it would come at a terrible expense: the loss of happiness for the entire town. In Lifeboat Ethics, there are people who want to be saved on boats. However, people don’t want to help them because it would put their own lives in great danger. Finally, there is world poverty. People don’t want to help those less fortunate because it would come at a cost to their own gains and satisfaction. These texts support the idea that sometimes, unfortunately, there are problems with no easy solutions. ]]> 2017-03-06 14:50:23 UTC https://padlet.com/mclinkert/5jhbb9bd45pe/wish/158037866 Catch 22- DAKOTAH HENN https://padlet.com/mclinkert/5jhbb9bd45pe/wish/158038189 Omelas is the child is the scapegoat to everyone's problems in the society, without his unhappiness no one can be happy, the child can not be saved as people all feel the same way.

Lifeboat ethics because in some situations the peace of mind is disturbed when others are in danger and that sacrifices must be made by both groups of individuals.

]]> 2017-03-06 14:51:03 UTC https://padlet.com/mclinkert/5jhbb9bd45pe/wish/158038189 Catch-22 Jaclyn T. & Mark R. https://padlet.com/mclinkert/5jhbb9bd45pe/wish/158038422 The stories with the concept of a catch 22 are Omelas and The Lottery because both societies in the story live a certain way but living that lifestyle comes with a price. No catch 22 in our lives, we do not see any catch 22's at HHS either. We don't have one person or group at this school to use for a scape goat or catch 22. ]]> 2017-03-06 14:51:28 UTC https://padlet.com/mclinkert/5jhbb9bd45pe/wish/158038422 Catch-22 Vanessa Peter https://padlet.com/mclinkert/5jhbb9bd45pe/wish/158038628 Mofif:
A recurring subject, theme, or idea, especially in a literary, artistic, or musical work.

Any way you look at it. It’s bad and good. For example, during the lifeboat story, people were giving the poor food but when they do, they are going to be selfish and take advantage. But the people who are giving the food are being selfish. Also, we did an activity in class on how there is 25 people on a boat. There was options of add 25 more and the rations of food were 2 weeks. Not adding 25 there was rations of food that could last a month. But, if you were not to bring 25 people on the boat, then they would stay in the water and die. Anymore than 50 people the boat sinks and the food sinks. So if the people on the boat do not bring 25 more people, are they being selfish for their own lives? Or if they do bring 25 more people, are the new 25 people being selfish by cutting down the rations? There is always different ways to look at things and there is always bad and always good.

]]> 2017-03-06 14:51:53 UTC https://padlet.com/mclinkert/5jhbb9bd45pe/wish/158038628 catch 22-Jared H. https://padlet.com/mclinkert/5jhbb9bd45pe/wish/158038639 The authors explore the concept by creating a lose lose situation where no matter what you do there is a negative outcome for both or either side

]]> 2017-03-06 14:51:53 UTC https://padlet.com/mclinkert/5jhbb9bd45pe/wish/158038639 MC mclinkert https://padlet.com/mclinkert/5jhbb9bd45pe/wish/158220556 Not exactly what was asked for in Padlet, but wanted to draw your attention to this definition:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catch-22_(logic)#cite_note-1
A catch-22 is a paradoxical situation from which an individual cannot escape because of contradictory rules.[1][2] The term was coined by Joseph Heller, who used it in his 1961 novel Catch-22.
An example would be:
"How am I supposed to gain experience [to be hired for a job] if I'm constantly turned down for not having any?"[3]

Catch-22s often result from rules, regulations, or procedures that an individual is subject to but has no control over because to fight the rule is to accept it. Another example is a situation in which someone is in need of something that can only be had by not being in need of it. (A bank will never issue someone a loan if they need the money.) One connotation of the term is that the creators of the "catch-22" situation have created arbitrary rules in order to justify and conceal their own abuse of power.

Ms. C.
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