https://padlet.com/mpiercy35/4m9deylfjvom Note the opinions of John Green and the opinions of William Golding (according to John Green). Please do your best to not be redundant. en-us 2019-02-07 11:22:47 UTC 2019-02-07 12:45:39 UTC hello@padlet.com 22044ines https://padlet.com/mpiercy35/4m9deylfjvom/wish/328707536  John Green hates the book just like yours truly. 
It's taught in many classes 
LOTF is a 1954 novel 
The book is basically a bunch of boys killing each other. 
William Goulding believes that war is bad or something like that. 
Willliam Goulding told his wife ''what if I wrote a book about teenager boys'''. I wish he didn't say that. 
In LOTF the dangers arent external. They're internal. 
Thomas Hobbes thinks life is nasty and thinks we need government to keep society in order. 
Brits are good at killing. 
Goulding gives us scene about nature. 
The airplane fall is reffered to as a scar .Have no clue why


]]> 2019-02-07 13:25:56 UTC https://padlet.com/mpiercy35/4m9deylfjvom/wish/328707536 https://padlet.com/mpiercy35/4m9deylfjvom/wish/328707730 He hates the book
Believes that piggy is Ralph's side kick
Golding believed in the perfectibility of men
Jean jack russeu believed that if humans weren't constraint by society that we would be sane 
Hobes believes that all men are evil
he believes that the boys had no chance at sanity




]]> 2019-02-07 13:26:21 UTC https://padlet.com/mpiercy35/4m9deylfjvom/wish/328707730 22105debora https://padlet.com/mpiercy35/4m9deylfjvom/wish/328707750 dislike lord of the flies
a novel of ideas is only as good or about his ideas



]]> 2019-02-07 13:26:24 UTC https://padlet.com/mpiercy35/4m9deylfjvom/wish/328707750 22103anais https://padlet.com/mpiercy35/4m9deylfjvom/wish/328707884 Dislikes Lord of the Flies

]]> 2019-02-07 13:26:40 UTC https://padlet.com/mpiercy35/4m9deylfjvom/wish/328707884 22062ryan https://padlet.com/mpiercy35/4m9deylfjvom/wish/328708325 Doesn't like LOTF

]]> 2019-02-07 13:27:34 UTC https://padlet.com/mpiercy35/4m9deylfjvom/wish/328708325 22092jai https://padlet.com/mpiercy35/4m9deylfjvom/wish/328708352 John Green:
He doesn't like Lord of The Flies.
A novel of ideas is only as good as its ideas.
Ralph was killed for no reason.
Kind of a happy ending.
Grew out of WW2.
Golding 'took' from other novels.
Like:
Shakespeare, Coral Island, and a lot of other books.
Golding's view on savagery in human was wrong.
The island is never paradise.
Golding was very dark
William Golding:
Golding believes Thomas Hobbes.(Humans are inherently evil)
The war changed his view to the above. It caused him to write the book in the first place
He thought people should know about the nuclear war.
Pessimist view on humans.
English could have been the Nazis.
English are best at everything.
Took inspiration from the Christian realm.
Beastie = humans.]]> 2019-02-07 13:27:37 UTC https://padlet.com/mpiercy35/4m9deylfjvom/wish/328708352 22099gabriel https://padlet.com/mpiercy35/4m9deylfjvom/wish/328708387 Golding thins like Thomas Hobbes
Ralph is saved by the bell(navy)
The beast in their heads(golding)
Golding says we are all bully's, who enjoy causing pain to others. 
Green says Golding's view of savagery and tribes work.]]> 2019-02-07 13:27:42 UTC https://padlet.com/mpiercy35/4m9deylfjvom/wish/328708387 22065ahmed https://padlet.com/mpiercy35/4m9deylfjvom/wish/328708433 John Green: 
He dislikes Lord of the flies 
a novel of ideas is as good as its ideas 
  Disagrees with the description of old civilization
William Golding:  
Man produces evil 
Children's true nature  
Internal dangers 
Nasty, brutish, short  
The kids could be anyone (British, German...)  
We're all bullies, animals, humans, savages]]> 2019-02-07 13:27:48 UTC https://padlet.com/mpiercy35/4m9deylfjvom/wish/328708433 22076zainah https://padlet.com/mpiercy35/4m9deylfjvom/wish/328708454 Dislikes lord of the flies 
Hate is in every man
A novel is as good as its ideas; like a bee produces honey
The boys let loose
They killed Piggy for not reason; also tried to kill Ralph
The dangers are internal
Free from social ideals
THE ENGLISH ARE THE BEST
We are all bullies
''what are we?"
The scar is the arrival of the plane 
Wilson is so innocent
The problem of evil is real
No women characters
Are girls just as a bad as boys?
Multi-layer
Like coral island
Garden of Edin 
Morals; evil will win against good
A god will save the day
Wars do end


]]> 2019-02-07 13:27:50 UTC https://padlet.com/mpiercy35/4m9deylfjvom/wish/328708454 22098mohammad https://padlet.com/mpiercy35/4m9deylfjvom/wish/328708730 2019-02-07 13:28:18 UTC https://padlet.com/mpiercy35/4m9deylfjvom/wish/328708730 https://padlet.com/mpiercy35/4m9deylfjvom/wish/328708743 2019-02-07 13:28:19 UTC https://padlet.com/mpiercy35/4m9deylfjvom/wish/328708743 22097alexander https://padlet.com/mpiercy35/4m9deylfjvom/wish/328708748 golding believes that evil lurks in man

]]> 2019-02-07 13:28:19 UTC https://padlet.com/mpiercy35/4m9deylfjvom/wish/328708748 https://padlet.com/mpiercy35/4m9deylfjvom/wish/328708759 2019-02-07 13:28:21 UTC https://padlet.com/mpiercy35/4m9deylfjvom/wish/328708759 22039yousra https://padlet.com/mpiercy35/4m9deylfjvom/wish/328708894 doesn't like the lord of the flies

]]> 2019-02-07 13:28:37 UTC https://padlet.com/mpiercy35/4m9deylfjvom/wish/328708894 https://padlet.com/mpiercy35/4m9deylfjvom/wish/328709173 A novel of ideas is as good as the ideas themselves 

]]> 2019-02-07 13:29:11 UTC https://padlet.com/mpiercy35/4m9deylfjvom/wish/328709173 22103anais https://padlet.com/mpiercy35/4m9deylfjvom/wish/328709203 Evil in everyone 

]]> 2019-02-07 13:29:15 UTC https://padlet.com/mpiercy35/4m9deylfjvom/wish/328709203 https://padlet.com/mpiercy35/4m9deylfjvom/wish/328709204 William Golding believes every man is evil, and that is true, since every man is selfish. Goldings think that everyone is a savage, and all the above. I find it interesting how Golding calls it the "scar" instead of crash site, and it represents something. The way Golding says that about how no girls have been mentioned in the book, is very interesting, since it is weird and sexist about how the exclusion of girls occurred. Wars do end no matter how long.]]> 2019-02-07 13:29:15 UTC https://padlet.com/mpiercy35/4m9deylfjvom/wish/328709204 22039yousra https://padlet.com/mpiercy35/4m9deylfjvom/wish/328709229 2019-02-07 13:29:18 UTC https://padlet.com/mpiercy35/4m9deylfjvom/wish/328709229 22102fouz https://padlet.com/mpiercy35/4m9deylfjvom/wish/328709301 2019-02-07 13:29:25 UTC https://padlet.com/mpiercy35/4m9deylfjvom/wish/328709301 22091tamara https://padlet.com/mpiercy35/4m9deylfjvom/wish/328709320 evil lurks in every man
a novel of ideas is only as good as other ideas
Piggy is killed for no reason
Without social constraints we would fall into chaos
Atrocities of World War II could have happened in England
The way of imagining savagery is wrong when showing spears and such
Golding believes we're all bullies
The beastie is the evil in the children


]]> 2019-02-07 13:29:28 UTC https://padlet.com/mpiercy35/4m9deylfjvom/wish/328709320 22098mohammad https://padlet.com/mpiercy35/4m9deylfjvom/wish/328709357 golding is a ]]> 2019-02-07 13:29:31 UTC https://padlet.com/mpiercy35/4m9deylfjvom/wish/328709357 22078nehar https://padlet.com/mpiercy35/4m9deylfjvom/wish/328709398 Believes  human nature is evil.
"Man produces evil like bees produce honey."

Views similar to Thomas Hobbes: Human existence in the 'state of nature' is "short, nasty and brutish".

(Lord of the Flies written based on teaching and war experiences.)]]> 2019-02-07 13:29:37 UTC https://padlet.com/mpiercy35/4m9deylfjvom/wish/328709398 22103anais https://padlet.com/mpiercy35/4m9deylfjvom/wish/328709453 Man produces evil the way bee produces honey. Children are naturally savage. 

]]> 2019-02-07 13:29:45 UTC https://padlet.com/mpiercy35/4m9deylfjvom/wish/328709453 22097alexander https://padlet.com/mpiercy35/4m9deylfjvom/wish/328709479 a novel about ideas is only as its ideas

]]> 2019-02-07 13:29:48 UTC https://padlet.com/mpiercy35/4m9deylfjvom/wish/328709479 22062ryan https://padlet.com/mpiercy35/4m9deylfjvom/wish/328709520 A novel of idea is just as good or as bad as its ideas

]]> 2019-02-07 13:29:53 UTC https://padlet.com/mpiercy35/4m9deylfjvom/wish/328709520 22047andrea https://padlet.com/mpiercy35/4m9deylfjvom/wish/328709545 Novel of ideas is just as good/bad as its ideas.

]]> 2019-02-07 13:29:56 UTC https://padlet.com/mpiercy35/4m9deylfjvom/wish/328709545 https://padlet.com/mpiercy35/4m9deylfjvom/wish/328709812 2019-02-07 13:30:26 UTC https://padlet.com/mpiercy35/4m9deylfjvom/wish/328709812 22039yousra https://padlet.com/mpiercy35/4m9deylfjvom/wish/328709859 2019-02-07 13:30:30 UTC https://padlet.com/mpiercy35/4m9deylfjvom/wish/328709859 22102fouz https://padlet.com/mpiercy35/4m9deylfjvom/wish/328709903 LOFT grew partly out of Golding's experience .]]> 2019-02-07 13:30:35 UTC https://padlet.com/mpiercy35/4m9deylfjvom/wish/328709903 22097alexander https://padlet.com/mpiercy35/4m9deylfjvom/wish/328709906 Golding believes that a man produces evil as a bee produces honey
Lotf grew out of Golding's experiences in WWII
Most obvious model "The coral island"
Golding follows Hobbes's philosophy
Golding uses images of stereotypical savagery 
Golding thinks humans are humans, animals and savages
Scar: arrival of humans
Beast: evil in man
Rotting pig-head: depravity
Civilisation (Golding's view):  ennobling
Political allegory
Moral allegory
Religious allegory

]]> 2019-02-07 13:30:36 UTC https://padlet.com/mpiercy35/4m9deylfjvom/wish/328709906 22100tesnim https://padlet.com/mpiercy35/4m9deylfjvom/wish/328709911 Discovered human nature, man is evil]]> 2019-02-07 13:30:36 UTC https://padlet.com/mpiercy35/4m9deylfjvom/wish/328709911 22062ryan https://padlet.com/mpiercy35/4m9deylfjvom/wish/328709989 2019-02-07 13:30:44 UTC https://padlet.com/mpiercy35/4m9deylfjvom/wish/328709989 https://padlet.com/mpiercy35/4m9deylfjvom/wish/328710114 The book grew out of Golding's own experiences ]]> 2019-02-07 13:30:58 UTC https://padlet.com/mpiercy35/4m9deylfjvom/wish/328710114 22064inara https://padlet.com/mpiercy35/4m9deylfjvom/wish/328710248 - Lord of the Flies is about what Golding believes children behave like
- Robinsonade (term comes from Robinson Crusoe)
- Golding uses imagery of what he thinks savages or uncivilised people are like
- "The war never ended for Golding"
- Green agrees that LOTF is a sexist novel

]]> 2019-02-07 13:31:13 UTC https://padlet.com/mpiercy35/4m9deylfjvom/wish/328710248 22100tesnim https://padlet.com/mpiercy35/4m9deylfjvom/wish/328710529 Kind of a happy ending


]]> 2019-02-07 13:31:49 UTC https://padlet.com/mpiercy35/4m9deylfjvom/wish/328710529 22039yousra https://padlet.com/mpiercy35/4m9deylfjvom/wish/328710573 2019-02-07 13:31:55 UTC https://padlet.com/mpiercy35/4m9deylfjvom/wish/328710573 https://padlet.com/mpiercy35/4m9deylfjvom/wish/328710918 In the book, the dangers are internal and not external.]]> 2019-02-07 13:32:37 UTC https://padlet.com/mpiercy35/4m9deylfjvom/wish/328710918 22103anais https://padlet.com/mpiercy35/4m9deylfjvom/wish/328710929 Savagery within every bo]]> 2019-02-07 13:32:39 UTC https://padlet.com/mpiercy35/4m9deylfjvom/wish/328710929 22047andrea https://padlet.com/mpiercy35/4m9deylfjvom/wish/328710940 Issues are internal]]> 2019-02-07 13:32:41 UTC https://padlet.com/mpiercy35/4m9deylfjvom/wish/328710940 https://padlet.com/mpiercy35/4m9deylfjvom/wish/328711058 John green says that golding didnt inspire from jacques rousseau but thomas hobbes

]]> 2019-02-07 13:32:53 UTC https://padlet.com/mpiercy35/4m9deylfjvom/wish/328711058 22100tesnim https://padlet.com/mpiercy35/4m9deylfjvom/wish/328711073 Agreeing with Thomas Hobbes

]]> 2019-02-07 13:32:56 UTC https://padlet.com/mpiercy35/4m9deylfjvom/wish/328711073 22103anais https://padlet.com/mpiercy35/4m9deylfjvom/wish/328711100 Goes along against Jean-Jacques Rousseau and agrees with Thomas Hobbes

]]> 2019-02-07 13:33:00 UTC https://padlet.com/mpiercy35/4m9deylfjvom/wish/328711100 22102fouz https://padlet.com/mpiercy35/4m9deylfjvom/wish/328711312 Connects LOFT to Shakespeare's work.
 ]]> 2019-02-07 13:33:25 UTC https://padlet.com/mpiercy35/4m9deylfjvom/wish/328711312 https://padlet.com/mpiercy35/4m9deylfjvom/wish/328711356 He thinks Golding's idea of savagery is flatly wrong]]> 2019-02-07 13:33:31 UTC https://padlet.com/mpiercy35/4m9deylfjvom/wish/328711356 22039yousra https://padlet.com/mpiercy35/4m9deylfjvom/wish/328711419 2019-02-07 13:33:38 UTC https://padlet.com/mpiercy35/4m9deylfjvom/wish/328711419 22100tesnim https://padlet.com/mpiercy35/4m9deylfjvom/wish/328711488 Pessimistic views about Humanity]]> 2019-02-07 13:33:47 UTC https://padlet.com/mpiercy35/4m9deylfjvom/wish/328711488 22062ryan https://padlet.com/mpiercy35/4m9deylfjvom/wish/328711500 Golding]]> 2019-02-07 13:33:49 UTC https://padlet.com/mpiercy35/4m9deylfjvom/wish/328711500 https://padlet.com/mpiercy35/4m9deylfjvom/wish/328711631 Golding said that english are the best at everything
He uses a lot of imagery

]]> 2019-02-07 13:34:03 UTC https://padlet.com/mpiercy35/4m9deylfjvom/wish/328711631 22102fouz https://padlet.com/mpiercy35/4m9deylfjvom/wish/328711906 2019-02-07 13:34:28 UTC https://padlet.com/mpiercy35/4m9deylfjvom/wish/328711906 22100tesnim https://padlet.com/mpiercy35/4m9deylfjvom/wish/328711965 Uses imagery]]> 2019-02-07 13:34:35 UTC https://padlet.com/mpiercy35/4m9deylfjvom/wish/328711965 22105debora https://padlet.com/mpiercy35/4m9deylfjvom/wish/328712024 2019-02-07 13:34:42 UTC https://padlet.com/mpiercy35/4m9deylfjvom/wish/328712024 22062ryan https://padlet.com/mpiercy35/4m9deylfjvom/wish/328712284 were all bullies]]> 2019-02-07 13:35:12 UTC https://padlet.com/mpiercy35/4m9deylfjvom/wish/328712284 https://padlet.com/mpiercy35/4m9deylfjvom/wish/328712314 2019-02-07 13:35:15 UTC https://padlet.com/mpiercy35/4m9deylfjvom/wish/328712314 22100tesnim https://padlet.com/mpiercy35/4m9deylfjvom/wish/328712320 We're all bullies]]> 2019-02-07 13:35:16 UTC https://padlet.com/mpiercy35/4m9deylfjvom/wish/328712320 22039yousra https://padlet.com/mpiercy35/4m9deylfjvom/wish/328712341 2019-02-07 13:35:18 UTC https://padlet.com/mpiercy35/4m9deylfjvom/wish/328712341 22103anais https://padlet.com/mpiercy35/4m9deylfjvom/wish/328712453 Society and Civilization is needed in order not to be savages. 

]]> 2019-02-07 13:35:31 UTC https://padlet.com/mpiercy35/4m9deylfjvom/wish/328712453 22100tesnim https://padlet.com/mpiercy35/4m9deylfjvom/wish/328712491 Without civilization, there is no chance]]> 2019-02-07 13:35:36 UTC https://padlet.com/mpiercy35/4m9deylfjvom/wish/328712491 https://padlet.com/mpiercy35/4m9deylfjvom/wish/328712503 According to John Green, Golding thinks we are humans, animals and savages]]> 2019-02-07 13:35:38 UTC https://padlet.com/mpiercy35/4m9deylfjvom/wish/328712503 https://padlet.com/mpiercy35/4m9deylfjvom/wish/328712695 the scar is the arrival of human race

]]> 2019-02-07 13:35:59 UTC https://padlet.com/mpiercy35/4m9deylfjvom/wish/328712695 22100tesnim https://padlet.com/mpiercy35/4m9deylfjvom/wish/328712771 The beast inside them]]> 2019-02-07 13:36:07 UTC https://padlet.com/mpiercy35/4m9deylfjvom/wish/328712771 22105debora https://padlet.com/mpiercy35/4m9deylfjvom/wish/328712804 2019-02-07 13:36:13 UTC https://padlet.com/mpiercy35/4m9deylfjvom/wish/328712804 https://padlet.com/mpiercy35/4m9deylfjvom/wish/328713143 John Green disagrees with golding's idea that human is inherently evil]]> 2019-02-07 13:36:46 UTC https://padlet.com/mpiercy35/4m9deylfjvom/wish/328713143 22103anais https://padlet.com/mpiercy35/4m9deylfjvom/wish/328713244 Not every human being has evil inside them. Believes the story is sexist. 

]]> 2019-02-07 13:36:55 UTC https://padlet.com/mpiercy35/4m9deylfjvom/wish/328713244 22105debora https://padlet.com/mpiercy35/4m9deylfjvom/wish/328713355 2019-02-07 13:37:07 UTC https://padlet.com/mpiercy35/4m9deylfjvom/wish/328713355 22105debora https://padlet.com/mpiercy35/4m9deylfjvom/wish/328713592 2019-02-07 13:37:29 UTC https://padlet.com/mpiercy35/4m9deylfjvom/wish/328713592 https://padlet.com/mpiercy35/4m9deylfjvom/wish/328713854 John Green believes can be read in a variety of ways]]> 2019-02-07 13:37:56 UTC https://padlet.com/mpiercy35/4m9deylfjvom/wish/328713854 22105debora https://padlet.com/mpiercy35/4m9deylfjvom/wish/328713971 2019-02-07 13:38:11 UTC https://padlet.com/mpiercy35/4m9deylfjvom/wish/328713971 https://padlet.com/mpiercy35/4m9deylfjvom/wish/328714586 "It is harder to be good than most novels make us believe" John Green]]> 2019-02-07 13:39:10 UTC https://padlet.com/mpiercy35/4m9deylfjvom/wish/328714586