Schooltalk Discussion by Emma Lindskog https://padlet.com/lindskogemma98/496i7532ztbv Post 3 quotes from the reading that stuck out to you; respond to 3 other quotes with your thoughts en-us 2019-09-30 23:00:25 UTC 2019-10-11 06:57:24 UTC hello@padlet.com "We have no simple way to measure 'intelligence,'" (p. 132). lindskogemma98 https://padlet.com/lindskogemma98/496i7532ztbv/wish/391621803 2019-09-30 23:24:54 UTC https://padlet.com/lindskogemma98/496i7532ztbv/wish/391621803 "Thinking about labels as things people make gives us more power in deciding what to do with them in schools. We put ourselves more in charge of labels, rather than only at their mercy," (p. 36). cassiew27 https://padlet.com/lindskogemma98/496i7532ztbv/wish/392073690 2019-10-01 18:14:19 UTC https://padlet.com/lindskogemma98/496i7532ztbv/wish/392073690 Jackson: Like a tiny ice chunk that rolls down a hill and accumulates in a giant ball, millions of acts in an opportunity context pile up to shape a child's fate" (p.81) https://padlet.com/lindskogemma98/496i7532ztbv/wish/395091858 2019-10-08 15:11:47 UTC https://padlet.com/lindskogemma98/496i7532ztbv/wish/395091858 Jackson: "It's a Core Tension, even as we may want to stop labeling people, sometimes we need labels to accurately describe people's experiences in a world that has treated us as members of such 'groups' for a long time." (p. 35) https://padlet.com/lindskogemma98/496i7532ztbv/wish/395093061 2019-10-08 15:13:17 UTC https://padlet.com/lindskogemma98/496i7532ztbv/wish/395093061 Jackson: "Communicating toward equity means actively counteracting the myth-- all day, every day-- that some young people or some groups are naturally "smarter" than others." (p. 158) https://padlet.com/lindskogemma98/496i7532ztbv/wish/395094305 2019-10-08 15:15:01 UTC https://padlet.com/lindskogemma98/496i7532ztbv/wish/395094305 "The Laws also suggest that labels should accurately describe needs and experiences students actually have- and offer supports people actually want." (39) https://padlet.com/lindskogemma98/496i7532ztbv/wish/395101199 Claire]]> 2019-10-08 15:25:13 UTC https://padlet.com/lindskogemma98/496i7532ztbv/wish/395101199 Claire: "So, accurate Smarts talk emphasizes that people, in interaction, help shape both any child's current 'abilities' and others' sense of those abilities." (140) https://padlet.com/lindskogemma98/496i7532ztbv/wish/395106053 2019-10-08 15:31:54 UTC https://padlet.com/lindskogemma98/496i7532ztbv/wish/395106053 Claire: "Steele and colleagues' work shows that if students trust that people around them hold high standards for them and reject such myths about innate, group-based 'intellectual ability,' stereotype threat doesn't kick in." (147) https://padlet.com/lindskogemma98/496i7532ztbv/wish/395107275 2019-10-08 15:33:27 UTC https://padlet.com/lindskogemma98/496i7532ztbv/wish/395107275 Kat https://padlet.com/lindskogemma98/496i7532ztbv/wish/395112372 "People are members of multiple communities and have multiple, often intersecting identities, some of which are context dependent" (pg. 45)

]]> 2019-10-08 15:39:11 UTC https://padlet.com/lindskogemma98/496i7532ztbv/wish/395112372 Kat https://padlet.com/lindskogemma98/496i7532ztbv/wish/395116570 "When we fail to describe a student's situation, we can fail to respond to it" (pg. 41) 

]]> 2019-10-08 15:44:38 UTC https://padlet.com/lindskogemma98/496i7532ztbv/wish/395116570 Kat https://padlet.com/lindskogemma98/496i7532ztbv/wish/395117774 "To support young people in such a world, myth-busting requires supporting students to develop fierce belief in their own intelligence as a member of any social group falsely stigmatized" (pg. 154)]]> 2019-10-08 15:46:19 UTC https://padlet.com/lindskogemma98/496i7532ztbv/wish/395117774 Barbara https://padlet.com/lindskogemma98/496i7532ztbv/wish/395131673 "...too many of us normalize inadequate opportunity for so many..." (p. 101)

"...sometimes you have to label a need or experience to be able to address it and support a child. The laws also suggest that labels should accurately describe needs and experiences students actually have -and offer support people actually want." (p. 39)

"...the authors of the book The Bell Curve again argued that poor people, disproportionately people of color, were poorer because they were less intelligent" (p. 146)




]]> 2019-10-08 16:04:56 UTC https://padlet.com/lindskogemma98/496i7532ztbv/wish/395131673 Anna https://padlet.com/lindskogemma98/496i7532ztbv/wish/395157660 "As Jeff Elman put it to me, there also are highly useful life skills like 'being socially adept, motivated, disciplined and organized' that we don't typically 'associate with intelligence' and measure in kids" (p. 133).]]> 2019-10-08 16:41:24 UTC https://padlet.com/lindskogemma98/496i7532ztbv/wish/395157660 Anna https://padlet.com/lindskogemma98/496i7532ztbv/wish/395159906 “Many people don’t know one critical fact essential to equity effort: that genetically speaking, there are no valid racial subgroups to the human species" (p. 47). ]]> 2019-10-08 16:44:12 UTC https://padlet.com/lindskogemma98/496i7532ztbv/wish/395159906 Anna https://padlet.com/lindskogemma98/496i7532ztbv/wish/395160943 “As we’ll see throughout this book, the things people say about students in schools shape how adults think about and treat students, how students feel about themselves and their peers, and who offers students which opportunities and assistance” (p. 4).]]> 2019-10-08 16:45:36 UTC https://padlet.com/lindskogemma98/496i7532ztbv/wish/395160943 Kylie https://padlet.com/lindskogemma98/496i7532ztbv/wish/395164195 “sometimes, we need labels to accurately describe people’s experiences in a world that has treated us as members of such “groups” for a long time.” (Pollock, 35). ]]> 2019-10-08 16:49:54 UTC https://padlet.com/lindskogemma98/496i7532ztbv/wish/395164195 Kylie https://padlet.com/lindskogemma98/496i7532ztbv/wish/395165512 “When we talk about student outcomes, we often assign blame and responsibility for processes that are far more complicated than we make them sound.” (Pollock, 77).]]> 2019-10-08 16:51:34 UTC https://padlet.com/lindskogemma98/496i7532ztbv/wish/395165512 Kylie https://padlet.com/lindskogemma98/496i7532ztbv/wish/395165671 the goal of equity as an effort to unlock “the human potential of an individual to then share them with the world.” p. 14]]> 2019-10-08 16:51:45 UTC https://padlet.com/lindskogemma98/496i7532ztbv/wish/395165671 Emma Collins: https://padlet.com/lindskogemma98/496i7532ztbv/wish/395193439 "You actually see people creating myths about entire groups deemed smarter than others in order to distribute opportunities to some more than others." p.144]]> 2019-10-08 17:27:06 UTC https://padlet.com/lindskogemma98/496i7532ztbv/wish/395193439 Emma Collins https://padlet.com/lindskogemma98/496i7532ztbv/wish/395323640 "one of every three black American males born today can expect to go to prison in his lifetime" p.78]]> 2019-10-08 21:41:54 UTC https://padlet.com/lindskogemma98/496i7532ztbv/wish/395323640 Emma Collins: "every child's outcome accumulates like a snowball does" p.102 https://padlet.com/lindskogemma98/496i7532ztbv/wish/395324529 2019-10-08 21:45:29 UTC https://padlet.com/lindskogemma98/496i7532ztbv/wish/395324529 Tessa Roland https://padlet.com/lindskogemma98/496i7532ztbv/wish/395325974 "Even now, we still need to challenge six hundred years of programming to imagine fundamentally different subtypes of humans. If left unchallenged, deep notions about racial groups as fundamentally different "types of people" derail equity efforts of all kinds." ]]> 2019-10-08 21:50:42 UTC https://padlet.com/lindskogemma98/496i7532ztbv/wish/395325974 Tessa Roland https://padlet.com/lindskogemma98/496i7532ztbv/wish/395327343 "Perhaps the bigger problem us that people discussing student outcomes too rarely talk through students' experiences in opportunity contexts in any detail, leaving people unequipped to make change"]]> 2019-10-08 21:55:21 UTC https://padlet.com/lindskogemma98/496i7532ztbv/wish/395327343 Tessa Roland https://padlet.com/lindskogemma98/496i7532ztbv/wish/395328386 "Recent years' discussions of student "grit" or "resilience" embody this debate over how much to blame the student's reactions to the opportunity context rather than his or her experiences in opportunity context."]]> 2019-10-08 21:58:42 UTC https://padlet.com/lindskogemma98/496i7532ztbv/wish/395328386 Sarah sarahpriammoss https://padlet.com/lindskogemma98/496i7532ztbv/wish/395347182 But they realized they couldn't discuss or address the experiences students noted on the survey without using the label "black" - and that by anxiously deleting the very word "black" as if it were problematic, they were disrespecting the students further." pg. 35]]> 2019-10-08 23:18:46 UTC https://padlet.com/lindskogemma98/496i7532ztbv/wish/395347182 Sarah sarahpriammoss https://padlet.com/lindskogemma98/496i7532ztbv/wish/395348952 As Nasir notes, Jordan understood "that the stereotypes about black males (a demographic group to which he belongs) are so strong that he had to actively work to remind himself that they lacked truth." He had to flip the script about himself. pg. 60]]> 2019-10-08 23:26:33 UTC https://padlet.com/lindskogemma98/496i7532ztbv/wish/395348952 Sarah sarahpriammoss https://padlet.com/lindskogemma98/496i7532ztbv/wish/395349309 To many, the outcome of "equality" is still where we're going; "equity" is how to get there, by providing supports that equalize the opportunity to succeed. pg. 119]]> 2019-10-08 23:28:10 UTC https://padlet.com/lindskogemma98/496i7532ztbv/wish/395349309 Angelica https://padlet.com/lindskogemma98/496i7532ztbv/wish/395353366 "Equity efforts in education provide supports to give every young person and all groups of young people a full chance to develop their vast human talents." pg. 7]]> 2019-10-08 23:47:23 UTC https://padlet.com/lindskogemma98/496i7532ztbv/wish/395353366 Hazel https://padlet.com/lindskogemma98/496i7532ztbv/wish/395355128 "If your experiences keep preparing you for whatever is measured, you'll do better." p.143]]> 2019-10-08 23:56:06 UTC https://padlet.com/lindskogemma98/496i7532ztbv/wish/395355128 Hazel https://padlet.com/lindskogemma98/496i7532ztbv/wish/395355359 "Shallow culture claims often just describe and purport to explain the surface of a phenomenon, by explaining, in isolation, a single observed action just involving people inside a group." p. 180]]> 2019-10-08 23:57:12 UTC https://padlet.com/lindskogemma98/496i7532ztbv/wish/395355359 Hazel https://padlet.com/lindskogemma98/496i7532ztbv/wish/395356645 "Labels like 'at risk' are designed to flag students who need additional support, but they sum up an entire child as likely to fail." p. 34]]> 2019-10-09 00:01:25 UTC https://padlet.com/lindskogemma98/496i7532ztbv/wish/395356645 Angelica https://padlet.com/lindskogemma98/496i7532ztbv/wish/395357545 "Latino and black parents don't really care about education, so their kids don't achieve." pg.166]]> 2019-10-09 00:05:48 UTC https://padlet.com/lindskogemma98/496i7532ztbv/wish/395357545 Angelica https://padlet.com/lindskogemma98/496i7532ztbv/wish/395358983 "to know who you are and to be proud of who you are ... just, like, gives you power to do better for yourself--to keep learning, want to keep doing things." pg. 154]]> 2019-10-09 00:11:49 UTC https://padlet.com/lindskogemma98/496i7532ztbv/wish/395358983 Courtney https://padlet.com/lindskogemma98/496i7532ztbv/wish/395374187 "...to know who you are and to be proud of who you are ... just, like, gives you power to do better for yourself--to keep learning, want to keep doing things." pg. 154]]> 2019-10-09 01:16:50 UTC https://padlet.com/lindskogemma98/496i7532ztbv/wish/395374187 Courtney https://padlet.com/lindskogemma98/496i7532ztbv/wish/395374479 "We have no simple way to measure 'intelligence,'" pg. 132]]> 2019-10-09 01:18:05 UTC https://padlet.com/lindskogemma98/496i7532ztbv/wish/395374479 Courtney https://padlet.com/lindskogemma98/496i7532ztbv/wish/395374883 "When we fail to describe a student's situation, we can fail to respond to it" pg. 41]]> 2019-10-09 01:19:28 UTC https://padlet.com/lindskogemma98/496i7532ztbv/wish/395374883 Taylor https://padlet.com/lindskogemma98/496i7532ztbv/wish/395380451 "Equity- oriented school talk about young people urgently does the following: Conveys belief in all young people's equal human value and potential, and care and respect for their development and well-being."]]> 2019-10-09 01:41:33 UTC https://padlet.com/lindskogemma98/496i7532ztbv/wish/395380451 Taylor https://padlet.com/lindskogemma98/496i7532ztbv/wish/395380963 "Equity efforts in education provide supports to give every young person and all groups of young people a full chance to develop their vast human talents."]]> 2019-10-09 01:43:26 UTC https://padlet.com/lindskogemma98/496i7532ztbv/wish/395380963 Taylor https://padlet.com/lindskogemma98/496i7532ztbv/wish/395381106 "Every child's outcome accumulates like a snowball"]]> 2019-10-09 01:43:50 UTC https://padlet.com/lindskogemma98/496i7532ztbv/wish/395381106 Leah https://padlet.com/lindskogemma98/496i7532ztbv/wish/395443811 “Your everyday actions are not solely responsible for students’ academic outcomes, but you contribute fundamentally to them over time.” Pg 107]]> 2019-10-09 07:30:52 UTC https://padlet.com/lindskogemma98/496i7532ztbv/wish/395443811 Leah https://padlet.com/lindskogemma98/496i7532ztbv/wish/395444751 “To improve opportunity and outcome in education, people need to be ready to analyze how educators’, students’, and parents’ actions intertwine to shape students’ educational experiences, in opportunity contexts created by lots of other people.” Pg 107]]> 2019-10-09 07:34:43 UTC https://padlet.com/lindskogemma98/496i7532ztbv/wish/395444751 Leah https://padlet.com/lindskogemma98/496i7532ztbv/wish/395445718 “Underinformed explanations have serious consequences for how students are treated- and how they feel about school themselves.” Pg 75]]> 2019-10-09 07:38:46 UTC https://padlet.com/lindskogemma98/496i7532ztbv/wish/395445718 Maria https://padlet.com/lindskogemma98/496i7532ztbv/wish/395472760 “School are where we shape the next generation and through them, the world.” (p. 9)]]> 2019-10-09 09:02:17 UTC https://padlet.com/lindskogemma98/496i7532ztbv/wish/395472760 Maria https://padlet.com/lindskogemma98/496i7532ztbv/wish/395474950 “When we routinely use overarching labels like “Special Ed kid,” we also imply a “type of person” and say nothing about the real goal – supporting specific aspects of students’ learning.” (p. 64)]]> 2019-10-09 09:08:47 UTC https://padlet.com/lindskogemma98/496i7532ztbv/wish/395474950 Maria https://padlet.com/lindskogemma98/496i7532ztbv/wish/395476203 “Do labels express belief in young people and care for them?  Do they describe youth accurately rather than falsely?  Pinpoint a need, strength, or real experience?  Enable opportunity?  If not, the label use is probably a problem.” (p 52)]]> 2019-10-09 09:12:43 UTC https://padlet.com/lindskogemma98/496i7532ztbv/wish/395476203 Shalini: "But quiet often in our school talk, we forget how the opportunity context (the "structure") shapes the student's experiences, and we instead just talk about his outcome as only the consequence of his personal effort (his own "agency"). pg. 108 https://padlet.com/lindskogemma98/496i7532ztbv/wish/396541619 2019-10-11 06:48:43 UTC https://padlet.com/lindskogemma98/496i7532ztbv/wish/396541619 Shalini: "Idea of race categories as rigid and simple and permanent" pg. 54 https://padlet.com/lindskogemma98/496i7532ztbv/wish/396543115 2019-10-11 06:54:23 UTC https://padlet.com/lindskogemma98/496i7532ztbv/wish/396543115 Shalini: "The problem with just relying on any one of my labels to support me would be if you decided to look no further..."pg. 38 https://padlet.com/lindskogemma98/496i7532ztbv/wish/396543821 2019-10-11 06:56:45 UTC https://padlet.com/lindskogemma98/496i7532ztbv/wish/396543821