https://padlet.com/MsGray/44cl22ud3sga Post your question/comment for October 24 here, PRIOR TO THE START OF CLASS. Include your name at the top in the "title" position, as well as the page number of the passage to which you're referring. BECAUSE YOU'RE SO AMAZING, DO NOT POST THE SAME QUESTION OR COMMENT AS ANYONE ELSE, IN ANY CLASS. en-us 2016-09-20 14:10:19 UTC 2019-10-24 23:58:13 UTC hello@padlet.com https://padlet.com/MsGray/44cl22ud3sga/wish/399992482 When Montag first meets Granger and his friends, he sees a fire that the group is using to warm up (145 & 146). In this moment Montag sees fire in a new light because "he had never thought in his life that it [fire] could give as well as take" (146).  Why does seeing this fire change Montag's views on fire and what it can do?]]> 2019-10-20 15:58:24 UTC https://padlet.com/MsGray/44cl22ud3sga/wish/399992482 https://padlet.com/MsGray/44cl22ud3sga/wish/400630154 It's interesting and very relevant how the government refuses to let the chase end in failure. They even kill an innocent without any reservations for propaganda purposes (148 & 149). With what is coming out about Chinese re-education camps and the Hong Kong protests, is it okay for governments to censor or change information for "society's good"?]]> 2019-10-22 00:59:40 UTC https://padlet.com/MsGray/44cl22ud3sga/wish/400630154 704hgs24 https://padlet.com/MsGray/44cl22ud3sga/wish/401071691 It was amazing to me when Montag meets Granger and the other misfits in the group, and they had come from what would be considered a very distinguished and honorable profession today. There were professors from UCLA, Columbia University, and Cambridge, yet they claimed to have made "the right kind of mistakes." Today, those things wouldn't be a mistake at all.]]> 2019-10-22 18:36:25 UTC https://padlet.com/MsGray/44cl22ud3sga/wish/401071691 https://padlet.com/MsGray/44cl22ud3sga/wish/401132917 The secrecy that they kept the people in was ultimately what killed them. If they had known the seriousness of the war, the politics, and the world, they could have known the situation, they could have prepared and survived. People could have protested or taken the war seriously but because they were kept in the dark, a whole city was obliterated. (158-160)]]> 2019-10-22 20:24:22 UTC https://padlet.com/MsGray/44cl22ud3sga/wish/401132917 https://padlet.com/MsGray/44cl22ud3sga/wish/401162442 It seems that Montag was destined to become enlightened all his life as he still remembers and reminisces over his simple childhood. It's striking that the narrator describes Montag "[feeling] as if he had left a stage behind and many actors...as if he had left the great seance and all the murmuring ghosts" (140). He compares the people in that society to actors or ghosts, people who are merely facades with no substance. I also enjoyed the last reference to Rev. 22, which could not have been used in a better place.]]> 2019-10-22 21:46:00 UTC https://padlet.com/MsGray/44cl22ud3sga/wish/401162442 https://padlet.com/MsGray/44cl22ud3sga/wish/401192667 It's interesting how Bradbury includes such an intense tone shift. At one moment, Montag, Granger, and the other men are walking peacefully, then the next moment, the whole city that they lived in was nuked. Why does Bradbury incorporate this major shift at the end of the novel? What purposes does the tone shift serve? ]]> 2019-10-22 23:42:56 UTC https://padlet.com/MsGray/44cl22ud3sga/wish/401192667 https://padlet.com/MsGray/44cl22ud3sga/wish/401676501 The description of the nuclear attack on the ignorant city is both graceful and terrible, as with the contrast between "grain thrown over the heavens by a great sowing hand" and "the heart is suddenly shattered, the body falls in separate motions, and the blood is astonished to be freed on the air" (151). The gracefulness of the first simile and the poetics of the second image could lead to an even greater opinion: that perhaps the nuclear attack on the city will be, though a destruction in itself, a start to rebuilding society. Do you think that the war will greatly help the cause of the professors?]]> 2019-10-23 19:02:45 UTC https://padlet.com/MsGray/44cl22ud3sga/wish/401676501 https://padlet.com/MsGray/44cl22ud3sga/wish/401758854 “Beatty had wanted to die... how strange, strange, do you want to die so much that you let a man walk around armed and then instead of shutting up and staying alive, you go on yelling at people and making fun of them until you get the mad, and then...”(122) why does Montag think Beatty had wanted to die, obviously he stood there and didn’t do anything about Montag, but what was wrong in his life? Was he miserable in his job? Hiding behind a curtain of guilt?]]> 2019-10-23 22:35:09 UTC https://padlet.com/MsGray/44cl22ud3sga/wish/401758854 https://padlet.com/MsGray/44cl22ud3sga/wish/401758945 It’s interesting how the bomb hitting causes Montag to think about the people he lost, and how he screams and begs “Run!” to Faber, Clarisse, then Mildred. This leads me to believe that he finally got what he wanted at the beginning of the novel, which were meaningful relationships. Throughout the story he seemed to become more and more dissatisfied/annoyed with society being based on empty pleasures and lacking real connections to other people. ]]> 2019-10-23 22:35:36 UTC https://padlet.com/MsGray/44cl22ud3sga/wish/401758945 https://padlet.com/MsGray/44cl22ud3sga/wish/401767321 Montag mentions that "in the middle of the strangeness, a familiarity," and shortly after, as he discovered the railroad track, made known "of a single fact he could not prove," being that "Clarisse had walked here [the railroad track], where he was walking now" (145). Was it that he knew this fact because he finally felt free, or unlimited like Clarisse? Did he come to this conclusion because he truly felt cast out by society at that moment?]]> 2019-10-23 23:11:20 UTC https://padlet.com/MsGray/44cl22ud3sga/wish/401767321 https://padlet.com/MsGray/44cl22ud3sga/wish/401770825 "When I leave, Burn the bed spread I touched. Burn the chair in the living room in your room in your wall incinerator." This along with all of the things that Montag said for Faber to do showed how much you have to removed from society to live a life that isn't planned for you. With this in mind it shows how much of life is that when someone is given a instruction out of the ordinary they jump to it because of feeling of being apart of something. So do you think that given the chance people would do something irrational or lay down their lives if asked?]]> 2019-10-23 23:25:41 UTC https://padlet.com/MsGray/44cl22ud3sga/wish/401770825 https://padlet.com/MsGray/44cl22ud3sga/wish/401777237 It's interesting that the men identify as the authors and books they have memorized. "'I am Pluto's Republic. Like to read Marcus Aurelius? Mr. Simmons is Marcus.'" They say they are nothing, but the protective book coverings, the pages written on their minds. Is this truly the most effective way to keep books alive? How will the books warp as they are passed by word of mouth over time?]]> 2019-10-23 23:52:02 UTC https://padlet.com/MsGray/44cl22ud3sga/wish/401777237 https://padlet.com/MsGray/44cl22ud3sga/wish/401802680 I thought it was very ironic that Beatty said that books could kill. In the end Montag and fire killed him, the motivation was even linked to books.]]> 2019-10-24 01:28:43 UTC https://padlet.com/MsGray/44cl22ud3sga/wish/401802680 https://padlet.com/MsGray/44cl22ud3sga/wish/401827230 I also find it ironic because Montag was supposed to die after they found him, however, the city got bombed and everyone else died except Montag. ]]> 2019-10-24 03:07:46 UTC https://padlet.com/MsGray/44cl22ud3sga/wish/401827230 https://padlet.com/MsGray/44cl22ud3sga/wish/401839217 "Well' said Beatty 'Now you did it. Old Montag wanted to fly near the sun and now that he's burnt his damn wings he wonders why.' " (113) It's incredibly interesting that Beatty references Icarus here, while continuing to mock month, yet feel bad for him in a sense. We see that Beatty and Montag are increasingly similar as the story progressed. Both sought knowledge, but Beatty took a darker route then Montag. Mouthing off to him so much. The poetic justice of him being burned alive. He flew to close to montag, and burned his damn wings.]]> 2019-10-24 04:16:29 UTC https://padlet.com/MsGray/44cl22ud3sga/wish/401839217 https://padlet.com/MsGray/44cl22ud3sga/wish/401965393 It's kind of weird that the government killed an innocent man when they knew it wasn’t Montag, just so people would stop freaking out (149).]]> 2019-10-24 12:30:35 UTC https://padlet.com/MsGray/44cl22ud3sga/wish/401965393 https://padlet.com/MsGray/44cl22ud3sga/wish/401975904 It is interesting how he compares the planes that bomb the city to "a great sowing hand." This must indicate that Montag believed that many things were put back together once that city was destroyed. In the same quote they also compared the bombs being dropped to "grain thrown over the heavens." This shows his belief that this will help the city grow back to be much better now that all the corruption is wiped away.]]> 2019-10-24 12:51:12 UTC https://padlet.com/MsGray/44cl22ud3sga/wish/401975904 134jtw20 https://padlet.com/MsGray/44cl22ud3sga/wish/401978625 "Montag... imagined he saw or felt the walls go dark in Millie's face, heard her screaming, because in the millionth part of time left, she saw her own face reflected there, in a mirror instead of a crystal ball, and it was such a wildly empty face, all by itself in the room, touching nothing, stared and eating of itself, that at last she recognized it as her own..." (159).]]> 2019-10-24 12:55:36 UTC https://padlet.com/MsGray/44cl22ud3sga/wish/401978625 https://padlet.com/MsGray/44cl22ud3sga/wish/401982708 After watching a clip of "him" being killed, Montag "cried out on the silence" (148). He could not believe what the government had done to him, and the unfortunate person. He never shows an inkling to tell his "best friends" or other known people that he is safe. Why? Has he lost all attachment to the corrupted world?]]> 2019-10-24 13:02:23 UTC https://padlet.com/MsGray/44cl22ud3sga/wish/401982708 https://padlet.com/MsGray/44cl22ud3sga/wish/401982815 "I remember. Montag clung to the earth. I remember. Chicago. Chicago a long time ago. Milllie and I. That's where we met." (pg. 160) When a tragedy occurs to Montag he suddenly remembers where he met Millie. He says he doesn't miss her but I think he misses her at least a little but, even though she turned him in.]]> 2019-10-24 13:02:35 UTC https://padlet.com/MsGray/44cl22ud3sga/wish/401982815 https://padlet.com/MsGray/44cl22ud3sga/wish/401982836 Why would Mildred rat Montag out? Why did Beatty ignore the first call to Montags house? ]]> 2019-10-24 13:02:37 UTC https://padlet.com/MsGray/44cl22ud3sga/wish/401982836 243pnm08 https://padlet.com/MsGray/44cl22ud3sga/wish/401983114 When Montag says "When we reach the city" on page 165, what does he mean by city? Does he mean a new chapter and a new beginning? ]]> 2019-10-24 13:03:09 UTC https://padlet.com/MsGray/44cl22ud3sga/wish/401983114 https://padlet.com/MsGray/44cl22ud3sga/wish/401988615 If Beatty suspected Montag had books why did he wait for it to be reported? Why didn’t he act on his suspicion? Was he waiting for someone else to betray Montag?]]> 2019-10-24 13:11:41 UTC https://padlet.com/MsGray/44cl22ud3sga/wish/401988615 https://padlet.com/MsGray/44cl22ud3sga/wish/402029894 One can see how Montag can relate to nature once he truly and fully experiences. Though his recent reading has made him idealize nature, Montag’s first actual experience in nature is eye-opening: “He was moving from an unreality that was frightening into a reality that was unreal because it was new” (133).  The river is cold, and the starts threaten to “crush him.” (133).  Viewing the moon, Montag struggles to remember grade-school explanations of celestial bodies.  Memories of a childhood visit to a farm trigger a pastoral fantasy about sleeping in a barn, but when Montag leave the “comforting” river, the wilderness seems violent and disturbing.  He even mistakes a deer for the Mechanical Hound.  He has been so isolated from natural sensory experiences that the smells and sights of the countryside almost overwhelm him.  When he reaches the hobo camp, he is surprised to find that fire can be warm and comforting. ]]> 2019-10-24 14:02:39 UTC https://padlet.com/MsGray/44cl22ud3sga/wish/402029894 https://padlet.com/MsGray/44cl22ud3sga/wish/402081629 I found it interesting they Beatty asked Montag why he read off the poem. Fabre also asked. It really made me wonder why he read the poem to people that would most likely tell on him. If he wouldn’t have done that he could’ve avoided the problem.]]> 2019-10-24 15:04:24 UTC https://padlet.com/MsGray/44cl22ud3sga/wish/402081629