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Love as a theme in Romeo and Juliet:

I think that the love in this movie is young, irrational and passionate love

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DEEKSHITA

I think one of the people to cause the death of romeo and juliet was Romeo and Mercutio.

Mercutio is the Prince's kinsman, but more importantly, he is Romeo's friend.

Mercutio's is always conserned about  Romeo and fought for peace between the two families.  Mercutio is the first to see that Romeo is deeply in love.

Proof:  In Act 2, scene 1,  Mercutio calls for Romeo by saying, "Romeo! Humors! Madman! Passion! Lover!"  He then says, "my invocation is fair and honest, in his mistress' name…."  Mercutio expresses his concern to Romeo.  He does not want Romeo to marry Juliet, because he knows this will stir up trouble between the 2 families.

So he tries to convince Romeo that his love will only cause problems and in the end, things will not work out.  Romeo doesnt listen to Mercutio .Because he is in Love  and juliet has already overcome him and controls all of his thoughts and actions.  This love prevents Mercutio from saving Romeo and keeping peace between the families.

In Act 3, scene 1, Mercutio fights Tybalt on behalf of Romeo.  Romeo attempts to break  the fight, but Tybalt stabs Mercutio.  when he is dying, Mercutio says, "A plague o' both your houses!”.  It is after Mercutio's death that Romeo realizes what will be the consequences of his love affair with a capulet.  Romeo  kills Tybalt, which in turn, leads to his banishment  and eventual death.  Romeo says in line 135 of the same scene, "O, I am fortune's fool."  Mercutio was correct .  The love between Romeo and Juliet ends up being a tragedy for both families.

photos ... your thoughts pre - task .... what are your expectations? What is your experience with Shakespearean texts? Anything you like really.

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Phileo

Storge

Eros

Therefore, love is a universal theme because most people can relate to it and they know how it feels.

Examples of love as a universal theme in Romeo and Juliet:

• Romeo and Rosaline
• Act 1 scene 5
  
• Act 1 scene 5 page 2

Also in the part of the plot when Romeo is exiled from Verona Juliet gets more and more pressure from her parents to marry Paris, this gets even more complicated when Mr. Capulet gives his word to Paris to marry him to Juliet. Her continued objections and rebelling leads her father, mother and even her nurse leaving her and not supporting her. This may not be the romantic love of Romeo and Juliet but this is her family and Juliet does have a love bond with them, even the nurse who has always stood by her.

This in turn also could have led to Juliet's depression and willingness to kill herself. This then also set the plan in motion that got Romeo and Juliet killed in the end.

I think that she was symbolic of Romeo's youthfulness and naiveness at the beginning of the plot. This is also shown through his speech, he talks about Rosalind by reciting lines. This also gives him space to improve a lot from his youthful talking to a more mature person, his language changes over the course of the story and he starts to speak more from his heart, instead of reciting texts. He also starts to be more in love, like actual love compared to his idea of being in love before with Rosalind.

O anything of nothing first created!

O heavy lightness, serious vanity.

Misshapen chaos of well-seeming forms!

Feather of lead, bright smoke, cold fire, sick health.

Still-waking sleep, that is not what it is!

This love feel I, that feel no love in this "

Line 170 pg 10 act 1 scene 1

This holy shrine, the gentle sin is this:

My lips, two blushing pilgrims, ready stand

To smooth that rough touch with a tender kiss

Good pilgrim, you do wring your hand too much

Which mannerly devotion shows in this;

For saints have hands that pilgrim's hands do touch

And palm to palm is holy palmer's kiss

Have not saints lips, and holy palmers too?

Ay , pilgrim, lips they must use in prayer

O, then, dear saint, let lips do what hands do

They pray, grant thou, lest faith turn to despair

Saints do not move, though grant for prayers' sake

Then move not, while my prayer's effect I take

What is a universal theme? It is a theme that could be used in any story. Regardless of location or culture.

What he is saying is that with love he "flew over" the boundaries that separate him from Juliet and that those boundaries cannot hold him and his love. He also says that with his love Juliet's family won't be an obstacle for him.

This shows just how naive Romeo can be, he doesn't think about the possible consequences of him chasing after Juliet and his love for her. He is in fact blinded by love, however sweet or romantic he is being.

I haven't really read or watched anything related to Romeo and Juliet and have only seen short adaptations of William Shakespeare's plays. Of course I knew the play and how famous it was for it's dramatic and violent love but it was never appealing enough for me to read it, especially because of it's "old" writing style. However I changed my mind after reading about 3/4 of the book, I realised just how impressive and special this play was. It wasn't just the amazing word play and the double meanings of words or the phrases but also how they could almost use English, but a almost mutated English and make it sound so fluent. At a certain point I was really impressed with how Shakespeare wrote it, using clever word play and expressions to say something that can be easily said dramatic and romantic.

At the beginning of this unit when we were told we were reading Shakespeare Romeo and Juliet, I thought it as just another over dramatic love story. I did respect the fact that it was a very famous play, written by shakespeare, a famous writer who is considered the greatest writer in the English language. I also thought Romeo and Juliet was going to be hard for me to understand, since it is written in old english. Indeed in some parts of the book and movie it left me confused. I would have never decided to read Romeo and Juliet if it wasn't mandatory. But I do regret thinking this because after reading the book and watching the movie I realised that this play is a piece of ancient art, which you can learn many things from. It facinated me how the words and sentences in Romeo and Juliet had such deep meanings. I loved analysing scenes from the play because it made everything so much clearer.

When we got told what we had to do at the beginning of the unit, I thought we were just going to read the book and it was going to be one of those obvious love stories. I already knew that Romeo and Juliet were going to die, but I didn't know how they died or how the story was plotted. When I we were watching the movie and reading the book I was quite suprised how everything happened and I didn't know that is was so sad.

Mercutio thinks that love makes a man dumb and weak. Lady Capulet thinks that love is based on material things. For example, Lord Capulet sees love as a duty and an obedience. Friar Laurence knows that love is passionate but he also argues that it is a responsibility. Lastly, Paris thinks that love is at his command since he told Juliet that he loved her

There Is also the kind of love good friends share,they care for eachother and will take any risk to help him/her for nothing in return.This is called spiritual love.To the greeks it would be called STORGE.

there is also the one sided love which would most likely not be your actual love, you are just under an illusion that you're in love .This is called puppy love to the greeks it called AGAPE.

Romeo and Juliet dominate the scene, and, with extraordinary language they captures the excitement and wonder that the two protagonists feel.

The first conversation with juliet romeo refers to the christian metaphor.They progress their felling to each other by referring to holy words.

1:5;21

"My only love sprung from my only hate! To early seen unknown and known too late. Prodigious birth of love is to me. That I must love a loathed enemy"

"A sonnet  is a perfect, idealized poetic form often used to write about love"

These fourteen lines are called a sonnet when romeo and juliet profess their love.

If you remember, the Prologue sonnet which introduces the play, you can find out that romeo and juliet are going to die it creates the sense of fate .They shared this love sonnet to create a formal link between their love and their destiny.Shakespeare links perfect love with a tragic ending.

a main topic the story revolves around.

Or even the main subjects of conversation discussed by the characters.

It is what the story revolvs around

A universal and a timeless theme is basically the definition of a normall theme. but this theme cannot not be differentiated by space or time.

It is a theme that could be used in any story. You wont be able to identify where it is taken place and in what time and location.

It was considered puppy love as it was only one sided and only to emphasise hie "romeoness"

Paris love for juliet

He doesn't approach juliet to ask her hand in marriage he approaches her father as per tradition but he doesn't believe in love

Proof:(little talked of love)

From the book

and just wishes to marry of a good family and has chosen her. He has no love for juliet.

Mercutio, Benvolio and Romeo

are very good friends this type of love can be considered , spiritual and between friends.

Romeo and Juliet

Is romantic love filled with passion and promises

I have night's cloak to hide me from their eyes, And but thou love me, let them find me here; My life were better ended by their hate, Than death prorogued, wanting of thy love.

2:2;10-13

In this section Romeo is expressing his thoughts on his secret relationship with Juliet. In the first line he talks about his visits to Juliet in the night, the darkness symbolises the secretive nature of their relationship. "I have night's cloak to hide me from their eyes"

He then continues to want to openly announce their love to both of their families, this shows his willingness to commit to Juliet but also shows how impulsive he can be. "let them find me here" He doesn't consider the possible consequences of the families finding out.

He then continues to dramatise it even more by saying; "My life would rather be ended by their hate... wanting for thy love" He again shows his not-so-rational thinking and devotes himself even more to his one and only love.

1:4;page 22

In this quote, Romeo was talking to Mercutio about Rosaline. It is daytime and Romeo is depressed because he thought Rosaline was the love of his life. He says not having that, which having makes them short. What he is talking about is love and time. Not having someone to love, makes the days longer. But having someone to love would make the days shorter. Its like the quote time passes when you're having fun.

If thou dost love, pronounce it faithfully; Or if thou think'st I am too quickly won,  

2:2;29-30

In this short piece Juliet is basically asking Romeo to commit himself to her and to basically marry her. She says, if you love me, marry me. "If thou dost love, pronounce it faithfully" This also shows how Juliet is ready to commit herself to Romeo too and how "real" their love is.

A theme like love is timeless because it is recognisable for any person for however long after it is created. It will thus always be relevant for people.

For example in Romeo and Juliet the same dramatic and romantic love is relatable to us even know thus it is timeless.

ERIC

I think that both Romeo and Juliet's overly intense love lead to their deaths.

In Romeo and Juliet there was a plan set forth by the Friar so that Romeo and Juliet could run away without their families disturbance. The basic idea was that Juliet would fake her death and Romeo would come get her and escape.

Despite the fact that this was Friar Lawrence's suggestion I believe it is still the fault of Romeo and especially Juliet. It is portrayed again and again throughout the story how dramatic and how in love Romeo and Juliet are. It was also written how they would willingly die than be without the other's love.

It is actually Juliet's love driven craziness that caused for her to almost threaten Friar Lawrence to find a solution because she couldn't stand the pressure anymore. She threatens to kill herself if he doesn't help her, did he have much of a choice? no.

The plan then of course went catastrophically wrong and Romeo, hearing about her death rushed back to Venice. Then he ends up taking his own life when he saw her, then Juliet woke up right then to see it and kills herself too.

In conclusion, I think that it was Romeo and Juliet's love driven craziness that got them killed.

KRISHNAN

I think that one of the main reasons which caused their deaths was because of the pressure of their relationship. They were both from two feuding families which meant that they should have hated each other, this obviously did not happen as they fell in love in an idealistic relationship.

Another person that I think contributed to the death was also the Friar, as Eric said, he had thought of a plan so that Romeo and Juliet could be reunited by faking Juliet's death so that she would not have to marry Paris. I think it is also purely a matter of fate that Juliet just woke up as soon as Romeo took the poison.

AYESHA

Romeo is very naive. I think their deaths were caused by him. He thought Juliet was dead, and his love was so strong for her it drove him to sucide. It is also his fault because he didn't check his mailbox, to find the letter the Friar wrote to him to inform him that Juliet is not actually dead, she is just in a deep sleep. And Romeo has to come for her. But the reason they had to do that was because of their families. There are many causes for Romeo and Juliet's death. But no one is really to blame because it was suicide.

LAILA

I think that one of the main reasons which caused their deaths is that their love was so strong for eachother that Romea was willing to sacrifise himself to be with Juliet. But when Juliet woke up Romeo had realised what he did, and couldn't stop what he had done. When Romeo had died Juliet felt so sad that she didn't know what to do, but then when she saw the gun she felt so bad that they couldn't be together that she shot herself to be with Romeo.

Fickle love is when you are always in two states of mind, one minute you are deeply in love and the other you are not.

Romantic love

Romantic love is a deep emotional, sexual and spirtual love. Romantic love is a very poweful love, but to some people romantic love is irrational.

O trespass sweetly urged!

Give me my sin again."

And when I shall die, take him and cut him up in little stars, and he will make the face of heaven so fine that all the world will fall in love with night and pay no worship to the garnish sun.

What I think she means by this is Romeo could make the night, such a dark thing, so very beautiful. He could make the night brighter than day. Everyone will fall in love with night, because of Romeo. I don't think shes only referring to Romeos outer beauty, but also his inner beauty.